Anything in excess is toxic. The question is whether everything needs regulation/oversight, or whether we are left to our own devices to discern the safety of these highly advertised substances. As I read somewhere recently (maybe here?) "Snake oil always sells."
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 7:43 PM archer75--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > That was what we were told in the 1950s about an event that happened in > the 1930s. Debating the deadliness of a drug that is no longer given to > patients under any circumstance is fine if you just like to debate, but I > would rather debate the deadliness of drugs and nutrients that are still in > wide use. > > An example is green tea. > (Another is soy protein extract: > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4435388/) > Green tea has been drunk by millions of people for centuries and recently > it has been widely advertised as being of value for weight loss and other > conditions in the form of an extract. The average person would not think > that a simple ethanol extract of green tea could be deadly, but apparently > it can: > ..................................................... > Abstract: > > "Green tea extract: A potential cause of acute liver failure > > Despite the generally touted benefits of green tea as a whole, clinical > concern regarding its use is emerging and has been linked to its > concentration in multiple herbal supplements. > > Interestingly, the suspected harmful compounds are those previously > proposed to be advantageous for weight-loss, cancer remedy, and > anti-inflammatory purposes. > > Green tea extract is one of the most common herbal supplements ingested > worldwide and is manufactured into more than 100 different over-the-counter > products. Although traditionally considered safe, it has been linked to > hepatotoxicity and led to acute impending liver failure in our adolescent > patient. The lack of regulation and provider guidance in the use of this > product and dietary supplements in general is significant. We highlight the > importance of monitoring patient use of dietary supplements. (snip) > > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746392/ > > The following link shows that green tea extract is still being sold as a > supplement with no warnings about liver toxicity. > > > https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab&q=green+tea+extract+safe+dosage&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiL3sm1nqreAhVE0FMKHRMCBGkQ1QIIuAEoBg&biw=742&bih=400 > > The subject for debate is whether such sales should be stopped or allowed > to continue until a large number of people taking green tea extract have > had documented liver damage. > Gerry > ========================================================== > Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > And https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1770067/. > > Wiki agrees that Thorotrast was VERY dangerous, but well short of what > you're implying: > > > > Due to the release of alpha particles, Thorotrast was found to be > extremely carcinogenic. There is a high over-incidence of various cancers > in patients who have been treated with Thorotrast. The cancers occur some > years (usually 20-30) after injection of Thorotrast. The risk of developing > liver cancer (or bile duct cancer) in former Thorotrast patients has been > measured to be well above 100 times the risk of the rest of the population. > The risk of leukemia appears to be 20 times higher in Thorotrast patients. > > > > > > > On October 27, 2018 at 11:37 PM archer75--- via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > One of the saddest cases of radiation poisoning in the 1930s was > Thorotrast. > > > It was an oral contrast medium that did a beautiful job of outlining > and diagnosing the liver. Every single patient to whom it was given died; > usually after about ten years of misery. > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
