Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.
clay wrote: Oregon has had insurance co that charges by the mile. Some legislators want to charge road taxes by the mile. What they really want is the real time tracking/monitoring of all registered vehicles in the state that would be necessary to make the mileage tax work. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.
Some legislators want to charge road taxes by the mile. They never saw a dollar (of yours) they didn't like. If only they had a way to tax based on the wear you put on the roads. Drive more, pay more tax. Drive a heavier vehicle, pay more tax. Drive faster, pay more tax. Oh wait, they already _have_ exactly that! The fuel tax is a pretty good first-order approximation of all of this. Dumbasses. What they really want is the real time tracking/monitoring of all registered vehicles in the state that would be necessary to make the mileage tax work. Yes, they want to be able to know _everything_, and abuse it at their leisure. Or else they're stupid, and don't know that they already have what they say they want. Or both... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What do you think it will show once you take the car off the cinderblocks? -Jack Dahlgren On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:35 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: Been on the Rewind program from Safeco (wherein the E420 has a little widget in the OBD port which keeps track of my driving habits) for about a month now. Just nosed in this morning to see how I'm doing, and, well.. Screen shot 2013-11-18 at 6.28.15 AM.png I make the proverbial little old lady look like a leadfoot by comparison, apparently. ;-) And I'm saving a bundle on insurance, to boot... :) -MMM- __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) RECENT ACTIVITY: Visit Your Group Did anybody notice that I changed the footer? Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . __,_._,___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jim Cathey wrote: Yes, they want to be able to know _everything_, and abuse it at their leisure. Or else they're stupid, and don't know that they already have what they say they want. Or both... Why should the FBI and NSA have all the fun? http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/11/are-you-d2-or-do-you-just-know-them.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Apparently, 4th Amendment of Constitution is not taught in schools now.. or read in Congress, or by police agencies.. To bad.. welcome to the total nanny state, where you will be given what the state determines you need or want, and controls what you do.. Oh... wait... there is that pesky 2nd Amendment that keeps the slaves armed.. how inconvenient... hmmm ... I wonder why the founding fathers included that??? On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: My Nuvi certainly does have A track file and even displays the track history if that display is enabled. You can manually delete the track history too but I don't know if the data is actually deleted before it is overwritten. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 4:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver. I don't think mist of the automotive GPS' leave breadcrumbs, but my handheld Garmin does. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In case of the 16th ammendment. Mike On Nov 20, 2013 10:13 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, 4th Amendment of Constitution is not taught in schools now.. or read in Congress, or by police agencies.. To bad.. welcome to the total nanny state, where you will be given what the state determines you need or want, and controls what you do.. Oh... wait... there is that pesky 2nd Amendment that keeps the slaves armed.. how inconvenient... hmmm ... I wonder why the founding fathers included that??? On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: My Nuvi certainly does have A track file and even displays the track history if that display is enabled. You can manually delete the track history too but I don't know if the data is actually deleted before it is overwritten. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 4:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver. I don't think mist of the automotive GPS' leave breadcrumbs, but my handheld Garmin does. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 19/11/2013 1:30 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: This is laughable that the owner owns the data as the cops and insco will say there is an investigation that requires the data. No doubt NSA will suck out the data from drive-by sniffers. I am thinking that having an EMP generator sitting next to the computer would be good, to be set off by the airbag or a switch in the event of a crash or anything else. If I own the car, and own the data, then I can do what the hell I want with the data. --R But, maybe the evidence on the data recorder could assist you. It might well show that you were driving straight and smooth, and under the speed limit and got hit by someone who was not doing that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Then you don't activate the EMP with a manual switch. On another note, I see that Russian drivers are really bad (drunk a lot it seems) so almost everyone has dashcams to record what goes on. --R On 11/20/13 4:22 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 19/11/2013 1:30 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: This is laughable that the owner owns the data as the cops and insco will say there is an investigation that requires the data. No doubt NSA will suck out the data from drive-by sniffers. I am thinking that having an EMP generator sitting next to the computer would be good, to be set off by the airbag or a switch in the event of a crash or anything else. If I own the car, and own the data, then I can do what the hell I want with the data. --R But, maybe the evidence on the data recorder could assist you. It might well show that you were driving straight and smooth, and under the speed limit and got hit by someone who was not doing that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At 5:48 PM -0500 11/18/13, Dwight Giles wrote: I might just be paranoid but no amount of ins co savings would convince me to let them have my data. No? Try $610 for six months without as opposed to $260 for six months. Betcher patoot I went for the deal I know my rental cars have it when I travel but not my personal vehicles. MY $0.02 (shrug) I only go to-from work and run errands with that car. If I wanna go off the grid, I have the 450SLC... ;-) -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Do you both cars insured with the same company? They let you monitor one car and not the other? How is that SLC doing, by the way? On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:10 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.comwrote: No? Try $610 for six months without as opposed to $260 for six months. Betcher patoot I went for the deal (shrug) I only go to-from work and run errands with that car. If I wanna go off the grid, I have the 450SLC... ;-) -MMM- -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They have to have an ODBII port to plug the dongle in so they can capture the vehicle data. Anything prior to 1995 isn't eligible, I suspect, since it would be pre-ODBII. Dan who has a transitional ODBII car On Nov 19, 2013, at 9:41 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Do you both cars insured with the same company? They let you monitor one car and not the other? How is that SLC doing, by the way? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.
The Senate passed a bill, MAP21, Wednesday that requires all new cars to be equipped with data recording devices starting in 2015. Lots of cars already have these so-called event data recorders. Forbes' Kashmir Hill says: They've been around since 1996, are found in at least 60 million vehicles, and are a feature in 85% of new cars every year. Some insurance companies, like State Farm and Progressive, offer customers a reduced rate if they install the recorders. But MAP-21 is the first attempt to make the technology mandatory. The bill specifies that only the owner of the vehicle would have access to the information collected, unless 1) the owner consents otherwise; 2) a court authorizes another party to view the data; 3) certain specified types of investigations require the information; or 4) a medical team needs the information to give proper treatment. Venture Beat's Sarah Mitroff argues that since so many cars already have this little black box, the bill is not a big deal-and actually be a good thing for drivers. She writes, Despite privacy concerns over the bill, it may end up reducing privacy problems in the long run. It explicitly states that the owner of the car owns the EDR data, an issue that has been debated in the past. http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/04/20/event_data_recorders_mandatory_devices_and_driver_privacy_.html Gerry From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com They have to have an ODBII port to plug the dongle in so they can capture the vehicle data. Anything prior to 1995 isn't eligible, I suspect, since it would be pre-ODBII. Dan who has a transitional ODBII car On Nov 19, 2013, at 9:41 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Do you both cars insured with the same company? They let you monitor one car and not the other? How is that SLC doing, by the way? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6847 - Release Date: 11/18/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.
This is laughable that the owner owns the data as the cops and insco will say there is an investigation that requires the data. No doubt NSA will suck out the data from drive-by sniffers. I am thinking that having an EMP generator sitting next to the computer would be good, to be set off by the airbag or a switch in the event of a crash or anything else. If I own the car, and own the data, then I can do what the hell I want with the data. --R On 11/19/13 12:58 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The bill specifies that only the owner of the vehicle would have access to the information collected, unless 1) the owner consents otherwise; 2) a court authorizes another party to view the data; 3) *certain specified types of investigations require the information;* or 4) a medical team needs the information to give proper treatment. Venture Beat's Sarah Mitroff argues that since so many cars already have this little black box, the bill is not a big deal-and actually be a good thing for drivers. She writes, Despite privacy concerns over the bill, it may end up reducing privacy problems in the long run.*It explicitly states that the owner of the car owns the EDR data*, an issue that has been debated in the past. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Including removing power from it, or zapping it with a spark plug wire! I wonder if the Passat and/or F150 have them now? The GPS I carry in the airplane logs the flight, I wonder if the little Garmins, etc. do as well, and if you can extract the log file? I can with the aviation GPS - upload it to a web site to generate a plot over Google Earth. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: If I own the car, and own the data, then I can do what the hell I want with the data. --R -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.
Oregon has had insurance co that charges by the mile. This service is being offered in WA. About $450 base and per mile fee. Requires a newer car with OBD2 ports so their device can hook in. This goes along with the spy on your teen device, and soon enough only criminals will be driving vintage cars clay On Nov 19, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: The Senate passed a bill, MAP21, Wednesday that requires all new cars to be equipped with data recording devices starting in 2015. Lots of cars already have these so-called event data recorders. Forbes' Kashmir Hill says: They've been around since 1996, are found in at least 60 million vehicles, and are a feature in 85% of new cars every year. Some insurance companies, like State Farm and Progressive, offer customers a reduced rate if they install the recorders. But MAP-21 is the first attempt to make the technology mandatory. The bill specifies that only the owner of the vehicle would have access to the information collected, unless 1) the owner consents otherwise; 2) a court authorizes another party to view the data; 3) certain specified types of investigations require the information; or 4) a medical team needs the information to give proper treatment. Venture Beat's Sarah Mitroff argues that since so many cars already have this little black box, the bill is not a big deal-and actually be a good thing for drivers. She writes, Despite privacy concerns over the bill, it may end up reducing privacy problems in the long run. It explicitly states that the owner of the car owns the EDR data, an issue that has been debated in the past. http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/04/20/event_data_recorders_mandatory_devices_and_driver_privacy_.html Gerry From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com They have to have an ODBII port to plug the dongle in so they can capture the vehicle data. Anything prior to 1995 isn't eligible, I suspect, since it would be pre-ODBII. Dan who has a transitional ODBII car On Nov 19, 2013, at 9:41 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Do you both cars insured with the same company? They let you monitor one car and not the other? How is that SLC doing, by the way? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6847 - Release Date: 11/18/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.
I don't think mist of the automotive GPS' leave breadcrumbs, but my handheld Garmin does. I used to have it mounted on my motorcycle and would use the feature to track my trips and mileage. Dan Sent from my iPad On Nov 19, 2013, at 4:16 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Including removing power from it, or zapping it with a spark plug wire! I wonder if the Passat and/or F150 have them now? The GPS I carry in the airplane logs the flight, I wonder if the little Garmins, etc. do as well, and if you can extract the log file? I can with the aviation GPS - upload it to a web site to generate a plot over Google Earth. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: If I own the car, and own the data, then I can do what the hell I want with the data. --R -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My Nuvi certainly does have A track file and even displays the track history if that display is enabled. You can manually delete the track history too but I don't know if the data is actually deleted before it is overwritten. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 4:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver. I don't think mist of the automotive GPS' leave breadcrumbs, but my handheld Garmin does. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At 7:58 AM -0500 11/18/13, Dan Penoff wrote: Just remember that you're providing all that data to them as well. It works both ways - if you're in a wreck they can use it against you, too. It's rather boring data. To and from work, and the occasional grocery trip. If I wanna do interesting driving, that's what the unbugged 450SLC is for. :D -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just remember that you're providing all that data to them as well. It works both ways - if you're in a wreck they can use it against you, too. On Nov 18, 2013, at 7:35 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: Been on the Rewind program from Safeco (wherein the E420 has a little widget in the OBD port which keeps track of my driving habits) for about a month now. Just nosed in this morning to see how I'm doing, and, well.. Screen shot 2013-11-18 at 6.28.15 AM.png I make the proverbial little old lady look like a leadfoot by comparison, apparently. ;-) And I'm saving a bundle on insurance, to boot... :) -MMM- __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) RECENT ACTIVITY: Visit Your Group Did anybody notice that I changed the footer? Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . __,_._,___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I might just be paranoid but no amount of ins co savings would convince me to let them have my data. I know my rental cars have it when I travel but not my personal vehicles. MY $0.02 Dwight (Who read Orwell's 1984 at an early age.) On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Just remember that you're providing all that data to them as well. It works both ways - if you're in a wreck they can use it against you, too. On Nov 18, 2013, at 7:35 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: Been on the Rewind program from Safeco (wherein the E420 has a little widget in the OBD port which keeps track of my driving habits) for about a month now. Just nosed in this morning to see how I'm doing, and, well.. Screen shot 2013-11-18 at 6.28.15 AM.png I make the proverbial little old lady look like a leadfoot by comparison, apparently. ;-) And I'm saving a bundle on insurance, to boot... :) -MMM- __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) RECENT ACTIVITY: Visit Your Group Did anybody notice that I changed the footer? Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . __,_._,___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Nov 18, 2013 2:48 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: I might just be paranoid but no amount of ins co savings would convince me to let them have my data. You're not paranoid. Ins cos are out to screw you any way they can. Why give them extra ammunition? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: I might just be paranoid but no amount of ins co savings would convince me to let them have my data. I know my rental cars have it when I travel but not my personal vehicles. MY $0.02 Dwight (Who read Orwell's 1984 at an early age.) -- OK Don (who also read 1984 at an early age.) They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes when I worked in mental health I had that poster on my door. On Nov 18, 2013 8:32 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: I might just be paranoid but no amount of ins co savings would convince me to let them have my data. I know my rental cars have it when I travel but not my personal vehicles. MY $0.02 Dwight (Who read Orwell's 1984 at an early age.) -- OK Don (who also read 1984 at an early age.) They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I say that in class every week, right after I say: Its not IF you have a drive failure its WHEN you have a drive failure -Curt Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:32:26 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver. Message-ID: CANZcij8CY=vcv1zvrc7nhv6_ze996kess5wvua2ppfsm7fs...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: I might just be paranoid but no amount of ins co savings would convince me to let them have my data. I know my rental cars have it when I travel but not my personal vehicles. MY $0.02 Dwight (Who read Orwell's 1984 at an early age.) -- OK Don (who also read 1984 at an early age.) They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.
I first heard it when I worked in mental health. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: Yes when I worked in mental health I had that poster on my door. On Nov 18, 2013 8:32 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.
At 12:47 PM -0800 11/18/13, Jack Dahlgren wrote: What do you think it will show once you take the car off the cinderblocks? -Jack Dahlgren S! That's our little secret! ;) -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
