Re: [MBZ] 123 starter

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Use the emergency crank.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Joel.
>
> Droll.
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Joel Cairo
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> Sent: 07 July 2016 19:49
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 starter
>
> So, what you're saying is you couldn't get started?
>
> --JC
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>
> On 7/7/16 3:38 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> > Was going to remove the starter from my 1985 wagon today, but was
> overcome by a sunny day and a case of the fukkitz.
> >
> > Hope you are all well and happy.
> >
> > Fred.
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Re: [MBZ] 123 starter

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Joel.

Droll.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Sent: 07 July 2016 19:49
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 starter

So, what you're saying is you couldn't get started?

--JC


On 7/7/16 3:38 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> Was going to remove the starter from my 1985 wagon today, but was overcome by 
> a sunny day and a case of the fukkitz.
>
> Hope you are all well and happy.
>
> Fred.

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Re: [MBZ] 123 starter

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

So, what you're saying is you couldn't get started?

--JC


On 7/7/16 3:38 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Was going to remove the starter from my 1985 wagon today, but was overcome by a 
sunny day and a case of the fukkitz.

Hope you are all well and happy.

Fred.


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Re: [MBZ] 123 starter

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Seriously - what's wrong with your starter?  Balky or dead?  My balky
starter has been working for almost 2 years.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> NOTTABOY!!
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Was going to remove the starter from my 1985 wagon today, but was
>> overcome by a sunny day and a case of the fukkitz.
>>
>> Hope you are all well and happy.
>>
>> Fred.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 123 starter

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

NOTTABOY!!

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Was going to remove the starter from my 1985 wagon today, but was overcome
> by a sunny day and a case of the fukkitz.
>
> Hope you are all well and happy.
>
> Fred.
>
>
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[MBZ] 123 starter

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Was going to remove the starter from my 1985 wagon today, but was overcome by a 
sunny day and a case of the fukkitz.

Hope you are all well and happy.

Fred.


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Re: [MBZ] 123 Starter Motor Woes

[Randy Bennell]

Can you use just one long extension and can you get an impact type 
extension?
My experience with impact guns is that every joint in the setup tends to 
lessen the impact force.
If it is really tight you need to be as up close and personal as 
possible and have a good gun with lots of torque available.
We had a devil of a time trying to remove the front half shafts on our 
old 4Runner because of this. My brother-in-law who is a mechanic came by 
with his impact gun and did it without the universal joint and 
extensions and his better gun and spun them off quickly where I had 
tried with my universal joint and couple of extensions and lesser gun.


Randy

On 15/08/2013 9:37 PM, G Mann wrote:

Glad to.

1/2 inch drive Ingersol Rand air impact gun. 125 psi. air pressure. Impact
wiggle tail socket adaptor coupled with the 10 MM hex tool [Snapon, in my
case] and several long 1/2 inch extensions to put the impact gun away from
the transmission and in the space along side it. Set the gun at highest
setting for impact and engage trigger... after making sure you have the 10
MM hex fully engaged and good forward pressure on the extensions.  I use a
leather glove on the hand guiding the extensions while running the impact
to keep everything perfectly aligned..

Should hammer for a few strokes and spin right out..

Helps if you have the car on 4 ea. 3 ton jackstands at high enough setting
to give you room to work. Lay a piece of cardboard on shop floor to lay on,
which will give you another 5 inches rather than use a creeper..

Good luck...

Grant...


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote:


My neighbor, retired military with too much time on his hands, has been
pampering his '83 300CD with all sorts of non-urgent work (my judgment, not
his). His latest project is to remove and replace his starter motor
strictly for preventive reasons. This topic must have come up on this
forum. Where would I find that archival material?
He says that with some effort he has been able to crack loose the lower
bolt, but the top bolt won't budge, in part because he does not have the
proper tool, and because it is tight and difficult to access. He has soaked
it with penetrating oil and is on a seven day waiting period for that to
soak in. Meanwhile he tells me that the proper tool is a Hazet 10 mm hex
wrench or socket for busting loose that bolt. So anyway, I'd like to give
him any information on how others have tackled this job.

Jerry
82 240D






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Re: [MBZ] 123 Starter Motor Woes

[Mitch Haley]

Randy Bennell wrote:
Can you use just one long extension and can you get an impact type 
extension?
My experience with impact guns is that every joint in the setup tends to 
lessen the impact force.


You can get some of it back by grabbing the extension at the gun and turning it 
counterclockwise so it takes up the play in all the joints.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 123 Starter Motor Woes

[Randy Bennell]

On 16/08/2013 11:05 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Randy Bennell wrote:
Can you use just one long extension and can you get an impact type 
extension?
My experience with impact guns is that every joint in the setup tends 
to lessen the impact force.


You can get some of it back by grabbing the extension at the gun and 
turning it counterclockwise so it takes up the play in all the joints.


Mitch.

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Get your wife or girlfriend to hold the extensions nice and tight while 
you work the gun!!


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[MBZ] 123 Starter Motor Woes

[Jerry Herrman]

My neighbor, retired military with too much time on his hands, has been 
pampering his '83 300CD with all sorts of non-urgent work (my judgment, not 
his). His latest project is to remove and replace his starter motor strictly 
for preventive reasons. This topic must have come up on this forum. Where would 
I find that archival material? 
He says that with some effort he has been able to crack loose the lower bolt, 
but the top bolt won't budge, in part because he does not have the proper tool, 
and because it is tight and difficult to access. He has soaked it with 
penetrating oil and is on a seven day waiting period for that to soak in. 
Meanwhile he tells me that the proper tool is a Hazet 10 mm hex wrench or 
socket for busting loose that bolt. So anyway, I'd like to give him any 
information on how others have tackled this job.

Jerry
82 240D


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Re: [MBZ] 123 Starter Motor Woes

[Dan Penoff]

With a series of 1/2 drive extensions and universal joints.  The worst part is 
that you have very little room to turn, so you must get everything wound up so 
the slack is out of it before you get it positioned to turn the ratchet.

You have to snap the driver to break it loose, so I've found.

Dan

 
On Aug 15, 2013, at 9:19 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote:

 My neighbor, retired military with too much time on his hands, has been 
 pampering his '83 300CD with all sorts of non-urgent work (my judgment, not 
 his). His latest project is to remove and replace his starter motor strictly 
 for preventive reasons. This topic must have come up on this forum. Where 
 would I find that archival material? 
 He says that with some effort he has been able to crack loose the lower bolt, 
 but the top bolt won't budge, in part because he does not have the proper 
 tool, and because it is tight and difficult to access. He has soaked it with 
 penetrating oil and is on a seven day waiting period for that to soak in. 
 Meanwhile he tells me that the proper tool is a Hazet 10 mm hex wrench or 
 socket for busting loose that bolt. So anyway, I'd like to give him any 
 information on how others have tackled this job.
 
 Jerry
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Starter Motor Woes

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Dan is right... you just need a bunch of extensions and the 10mm hex on a
swivel.  You come in from the bottom along the transmission.  Laying under
the car, you can work the ratchet with two hands.  Its helpful to have a
helper to get the hex key into the bolt.  Its not a fun job, but not really
that terrible once you get the hang of it.  I remember doing it once laying
in packed snow... that was no fun.

Jaime



On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 With a series of 1/2 drive extensions and universal joints.  The worst
 part is that you have very little room to turn, so you must get everything
 wound up so the slack is out of it before you get it positioned to turn the
 ratchet.

 You have to snap the driver to break it loose, so I've found.

 Dan


 On Aug 15, 2013, at 9:19 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote:

  My neighbor, retired military with too much time on his hands, has been
 pampering his '83 300CD with all sorts of non-urgent work (my judgment, not
 his). His latest project is to remove and replace his starter motor
 strictly for preventive reasons. This topic must have come up on this
 forum. Where would I find that archival material?
  He says that with some effort he has been able to crack loose the lower
 bolt, but the top bolt won't budge, in part because he does not have the
 proper tool, and because it is tight and difficult to access. He has soaked
 it with penetrating oil and is on a seven day waiting period for that to
 soak in. Meanwhile he tells me that the proper tool is a Hazet 10 mm hex
 wrench or socket for busting loose that bolt. So anyway, I'd like to give
 him any information on how others have tackled this job.
 
  Jerry
  82 240D
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Starter Motor Woes

[G Mann]

Glad to.

1/2 inch drive Ingersol Rand air impact gun. 125 psi. air pressure. Impact
wiggle tail socket adaptor coupled with the 10 MM hex tool [Snapon, in my
case] and several long 1/2 inch extensions to put the impact gun away from
the transmission and in the space along side it. Set the gun at highest
setting for impact and engage trigger... after making sure you have the 10
MM hex fully engaged and good forward pressure on the extensions.  I use a
leather glove on the hand guiding the extensions while running the impact
to keep everything perfectly aligned..

Should hammer for a few strokes and spin right out..

Helps if you have the car on 4 ea. 3 ton jackstands at high enough setting
to give you room to work. Lay a piece of cardboard on shop floor to lay on,
which will give you another 5 inches rather than use a creeper..

Good luck...

Grant...


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote:

 My neighbor, retired military with too much time on his hands, has been
 pampering his '83 300CD with all sorts of non-urgent work (my judgment, not
 his). His latest project is to remove and replace his starter motor
 strictly for preventive reasons. This topic must have come up on this
 forum. Where would I find that archival material?
 He says that with some effort he has been able to crack loose the lower
 bolt, but the top bolt won't budge, in part because he does not have the
 proper tool, and because it is tight and difficult to access. He has soaked
 it with penetrating oil and is on a seven day waiting period for that to
 soak in. Meanwhile he tells me that the proper tool is a Hazet 10 mm hex
 wrench or socket for busting loose that bolt. So anyway, I'd like to give
 him any information on how others have tackled this job.

 Jerry
 82 240D


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