Re: [MBZ] 124 seat in 126?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I think you will find the mounts and plugs different, but go snag em.  
If you take the seat off the electric slides, then put them on the 126 
slides, I think you will be happy.  Otherwise, you can swap covers.



clay via Mercedes 
January 9, 2017 at 4:10 PM
I think there may be a green TE in the yard with green interior. I am 
going to think the hook ups for the seats are the same, so I might be 
able to plug it in. Any opinions on if the seats will fit into a Gen 
II w126 front seats?


clay

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1986 SDL - Polei

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1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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[MBZ] 124 seat in 126?

[clay via Mercedes]

I think there may be a green TE in the yard with green interior.  I am going to 
think the hook ups for the seats are the same, so I might be able to plug it 
in.  Any opinions on if the seats will fit into a Gen II w126 front seats?  

clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat belts

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I dissected a junk-yard front seat belt once, ended up breaking the plastic
cover getting it off, but with care it can probably be repaired.

How much is new?  That would be the preferred route from a safety /
liability perspective.

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Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat belts

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Here is the current part number: A 124 860 05 86

Looks like the best dealer price will be around 200 clams or more.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> I dissected a junk-yard front seat belt once, ended up breaking the
> plastic cover getting it off, but with care it can probably be repaired.
>
> How much is new?  That would be the preferred route from a safety /
> liability perspective.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat belts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I seem to recall there being a rebuilder out there somewhere who rebuilt the 
whole assembly for a reasonable price. Do some Googling and maybe you can find 
them.

Dan

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> On Dec 7, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Here is the current part number: A 124 860 05 86
> 
> Looks like the best dealer price will be around 200 clams or more.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Meade Dillon  wrote:
>> 
>> I dissected a junk-yard front seat belt once, ended up breaking the
>> plastic cover getting it off, but with care it can probably be repaired.
>> 
>> How much is new?  That would be the preferred route from a safety /
>> liability perspective.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat belts

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I soaked both sides of the rachet deal with 3 in 1 penetrating oil. 
It now works with recalcitrance, but with patience, can be driven 
legally until a better solution is available.


Safetyrestore.com does the repair.  $65


Here is the current part number: A 124 860 05 86

Looks like the best dealer price will be around 200 clams or more.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Meade Dillon  wrote:


 I dissected a junk-yard front seat belt once, ended up breaking the
 plastic cover getting it off, but with care it can probably be repaired.

 How much is new?  That would be the preferred route from a safety /
 liability perspective.

 -
 Max

 > Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat belts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Wow, first time anyone on this troglodytic list has used such a big word.
ATTABOY!

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I soaked both sides of the rachet deal with 3 in 1 penetrating oil. It now
> works with recalcitrance, but with patience, can be driven legally until a
> better solution is available.
>
> Safetyrestore.com does the repair.  $65
>
>
> Here is the current part number: A 124 860 05 86
>>
>> Looks like the best dealer price will be around 200 clams or more.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Meade Dillon 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I dissected a junk-yard front seat belt once, ended up breaking the
>>>  plastic cover getting it off, but with care it can probably be repaired.
>>>
>>>  How much is new?  That would be the preferred route from a safety /
>>>  liability perspective.
>>>
>>>  -
>>>  Max
>>>
>>  > Charleston SC
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat belts

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks for that link, I wonder if they would test / reset the airbag
computer from my '87 wagon.  Might give them a call...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I soaked both sides of the rachet deal with 3 in 1 penetrating oil. It now
> works with recalcitrance, but with patience, can be driven legally until a
> better solution is available.
>
> Safetyrestore.com does the repair.  $65
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat belts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Try these guys:

http://us.shop.bba-reman.com


> On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that link, I wonder if they would test / reset the airbag
> computer from my '87 wagon.  Might give them a call...
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I soaked both sides of the rachet deal with 3 in 1 penetrating oil. It now
>> works with recalcitrance, but with patience, can be driven legally until a
>> better solution is available.
>> 
>> Safetyrestore.com does the repair.  $65
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat belts

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Dan, saved that link as well for "some day"...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Try these guys:
>
> http://us.shop.bba-reman.com
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat belts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You’re welcome.  I didn’t look to see if they dealt with your specific 
controls, but it’s a good place to start.

I have a soft top controller on the R129 that I need to send in to them to be 
rebuilt.

Dan

> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dan, saved that link as well for "some day"...
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 


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[MBZ] 124 seat belts

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Has anyone removed or repaired 124 seat belts?  The driver's seat 
belt will not extend.  I took off the cover and loosened the 
retractor, but don't see any way to get the plastic covers off to 
free up whatever dog or pawl is stuck.  I am reluctant to try to pry 
off the connector to the shotgun shell on the upright tube, although 
the book says it pulls off.  It did not pull off with what I'd call 
normal pressure.


http://www.w124performance.com/service/w124CD2/Program/Chassis/91-502.pdf


I've not encountered seat belts with explosive devices before.  If I 
soak the retractor with penetrating oil is it likely to free up?


My plan was to either free it up or get a used one.  Looks like you 
have to take the seat out to remove it, so freeing it up is the 
preferred route.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat

[Jim Cathey]

The real question is HOW they get out of sync in the FIRST place...


Manual seats it's always somebody who took it apart for
whatever reason and reassembled it wrong.  The cables can
slip out of the motor drive sockets all on their own,
or so I hear.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat

[WILTON]

It's page 148 in the electric diagrams part of the cd.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 seat


Thanks, Where did you find the diagram?  Is it in the cd and I just 
could not find it?


The pdf you sent is the circuits before the switch.  I needed the 
wiring at the seat itself, and inside the seat.  But for now, I 
figured out enough to get by.



'Just sent the seat electric diagram to you - page 148 of the pdf.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:53 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 124 seat

The CD at www.w124performance.com only has wiring diagrams INDEX 
for 1993 on.  No diagrams for the seats.



Well, the USA models all have electric seats, and they are 
different than the sketch in the CD section 91.  There is a motor 
right and left.  What I would need to do is run the right motor 
forward to even up the seat back.  There is NO ROD connecting right 
and left.


Without diving into the wiring diagrams, which are likely 
incomplete on the CD, it may be easier at this point to swap the 
seat backs.  It would be for sure easier if the donor seat was the 
right color.


i will spend a small amount of time looking at the wiring to see if 
the right motor could be run a bit





The driver's seat in my 87 300D has had a twisted back since I got 
the car.  Today's project is the seat.


Q1:  Are the passenger and driver's seat (above the mounting and 
slides) interchangeable as are the 123?


I have a spare passenger seat that I can use for parts, but i'd 
have to change the seat covers.


Q2:  Someone in the past suggested there is a rod in the back tilt 
mechanism that might be off one tooth left to right that causes the 
back frame to twist.  However on the 124 seat, I have not found 
this rod or how to change it.  I am not seeing much helpful on the 
section 91 of the CD.


One possibility is to remove the backs, of both seats and swap the 
covers.  That is a lot of work, and if there is an easier way, I am 
listening.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat

[Dan Penoff]

The drive cables wear out the socket in the gears. As the cables flex and the 
seat moves, the drive moves out of the socket in the gear, and it either spins 
or the drive skips a portion of a turn.

This is a common issue for both 124 and 126 chassis power seats. By taking the 
slack out of the cable you can force the drive farther in to the gear and buy 
some time before total failure.

Dan

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On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote:

 The real question is HOW they get out pf sync in the FIRST place...
 
 Walt
 On Oct 10, 2011 1:04 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
 
 The driver's seat in my 87 300D has had a twisted back since I got the car.
 Today's project is the seat.
 
 
 You need to re-phase the left and right side gear quadrants.
 On the manual seats, it's the rod you slip out of one side.
 Run both sides back to their stops, then reconnect things.
 Electric backs are similar, but I think they have two drive
 cables, one to each end of the appropriate motor.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat

[Dieselhead]

this seat does not have a flexible cable for the back adjustment.  It 
has a drive motor connected to the geardrive on the left, and  SOLID 
rod that goes to the right gear.  There was no wear.  There is no way 
to get access to the rod without disassembling the seat.


How it got messed up does not matter.  It was that way when I got the car.



The drive cables wear out the socket in the gears. As the cables 
flex and the seat moves, the drive moves out of the socket in the 
gear, and it either spins or the drive skips a portion of a turn.


This is a common issue for both 124 and 126 chassis power seats. By 
taking the slack out of the cable you can force the drive farther in 
to the gear and buy some time before total failure.


Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote:


 The real question is HOW they get out pf sync in the FIRST place...

 Walt
 On Oct 10, 2011 1:04 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:


 The driver's seat in my 87 300D has had a twisted back since I got the car.

 Today's project is the seat.



 You need to re-phase the left and right side gear quadrants.
 On the manual seats, it's the rod you slip out of one side.
 Run both sides back to their stops, then reconnect things.
 Electric backs are similar, but I think they have two drive
 cables, one to each end of the appropriate motor.

 -- Jim



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[MBZ] 124 seat

[Dieselhead]

The driver's seat in my 87 300D has had a twisted back since I got 
the car.  Today's project is the seat.


Q1:  Are the passenger and driver's seat (above the mounting and 
slides) interchangeable as are the 123?


I have a spare passenger seat that I can use for parts, but i'd have 
to change the seat covers.


Q2:  Someone in the past suggested there is a rod in the back tilt 
mechanism that might be off one tooth left to right that causes the 
back frame to twist.  However on the 124 seat, I have not found this 
rod or how to change it.  I am not seeing much helpful on the section 
91 of the CD.


One possibility is to remove the backs, of both seats and swap the 
covers.  That is a lot of work, and if there is an easier way, I am 
listening.


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[MBZ] 124 seat

[Dieselhead]

Well, the USA models all have electric seats, and they are different 
than the sketch in the CD section 91.  There is a motor right and 
left.  What I would need to do is run the right motor forward to even 
up the seat back.  There is NO ROD connecting right and left.


Without diving into the wiring diagrams, which are likely incomplete 
on the CD, it may be easier at this point to swap the seat backs.  It 
would be for sure easier if the donor seat was the right color.


i will spend a small amount of time looking at the wiring to see if 
the right motor could be run a bit





The driver's seat in my 87 300D has had a twisted back since I got 
the car.  Today's project is the seat.


Q1:  Are the passenger and driver's seat (above the mounting and 
slides) interchangeable as are the 123?


I have a spare passenger seat that I can use for parts, but i'd have 
to change the seat covers.


Q2:  Someone in the past suggested there is a rod in the back tilt 
mechanism that might be off one tooth left to right that causes the 
back frame to twist.  However on the 124 seat, I have not found this 
rod or how to change it.  I am not seeing much helpful on the section 
91 of the CD.


One possibility is to remove the backs, of both seats and swap the 
covers.  That is a lot of work, and if there is an easier way, I am 
listening.


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[MBZ] 124 seat

[Dieselhead]

The CD at www.w124performance.com only has wiring diagrams INDEX for 
1993 on.  No diagrams for the seats.



Well, the USA models all have electric seats, and they are different 
than the sketch in the CD section 91.  There is a motor right and 
left.  What I would need to do is run the right motor forward to even 
up the seat back.  There is NO ROD connecting right and left.


Without diving into the wiring diagrams, which are likely incomplete 
on the CD, it may be easier at this point to swap the seat backs.  It 
would be for sure easier if the donor seat was the right color.


i will spend a small amount of time looking at the wiring to see if 
the right motor could be run a bit





The driver's seat in my 87 300D has had a twisted back since I got 
the car.  Today's project is the seat.


Q1:  Are the passenger and driver's seat (above the mounting and 
slides) interchangeable as are the 123?


I have a spare passenger seat that I can use for parts, but i'd have 
to change the seat covers.


Q2:  Someone in the past suggested there is a rod in the back tilt 
mechanism that might be off one tooth left to right that causes the 
back frame to twist.  However on the 124 seat, I have not found this 
rod or how to change it.  I am not seeing much helpful on the section 
91 of the CD.


One possibility is to remove the backs, of both seats and swap the 
covers.  That is a lot of work, and if there is an easier way, I am 
listening.


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[MBZ] 124 seat

[Dieselhead]

After more disassembly, I find I was wrong, there IS a rod.  The left 
motor runs the back, the right motor runs the headrest up and down. 
At this point, it seems there is no way to pull or adjust the rod. 
It also seems like swapping the back will not be the easiest as I did 
not take out the headrest of either seat.  So it will be difficult to 
find the pins to run the functions I need to run the headrest out, 
and to remove the seat back wiring from the seat bottom.


So, I need to either find out how to adjust the rod.  OR
figure out the pin system to get out the headrest.

Headrest is also  complicated by the fact that the door switch for 
the seats has the headrest broken, so putting the seat back in to run 
the headrest involves taking the panel off, the switch out and 
manually jumpering the headrest switch.   Probably easier just to 
apply power to pins in the seat bottom randomly.




The CD at www.w124performance.com only has wiring diagrams INDEX for 
1993 on.  No diagrams for the seats.



Well, the USA models all have electric seats, and they are different 
than the sketch in the CD section 91.  There is a motor right and 
left.  What I would need to do is run the right motor forward to even 
up the seat back.  There is NO ROD connecting right and left.


Without diving into the wiring diagrams, which are likely incomplete 
on the CD, it may be easier at this point to swap the seat backs.  It 
would be for sure easier if the donor seat was the right color.


i will spend a small amount of time looking at the wiring to see if 
the right motor could be run a bit





The driver's seat in my 87 300D has had a twisted back since I got 
the car.  Today's project is the seat.


Q1:  Are the passenger and driver's seat (above the mounting and 
slides) interchangeable as are the 123?


I have a spare passenger seat that I can use for parts, but i'd have 
to change the seat covers.


Q2:  Someone in the past suggested there is a rod in the back tilt 
mechanism that might be off one tooth left to right that causes the 
back frame to twist.  However on the 124 seat, I have not found this 
rod or how to change it.  I am not seeing much helpful on the section 
91 of the CD.


One possibility is to remove the backs, of both seats and swap the 
covers.  That is a lot of work, and if there is an easier way, I am 
listening.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat

[WILTON]

'Just sent the seat electric diagram to you - page 148 of the pdf.

Wilton

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:53 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 124 seat


The CD at www.w124performance.com only has wiring diagrams INDEX for 
1993 on.  No diagrams for the seats.



Well, the USA models all have electric seats, and they are different 
than the sketch in the CD section 91.  There is a motor right and 
left.  What I would need to do is run the right motor forward to even 
up the seat back.  There is NO ROD connecting right and left.


Without diving into the wiring diagrams, which are likely incomplete 
on the CD, it may be easier at this point to swap the seat backs.  It 
would be for sure easier if the donor seat was the right color.


i will spend a small amount of time looking at the wiring to see if 
the right motor could be run a bit





The driver's seat in my 87 300D has had a twisted back since I got 
the car.  Today's project is the seat.


Q1:  Are the passenger and driver's seat (above the mounting and 
slides) interchangeable as are the 123?


I have a spare passenger seat that I can use for parts, but i'd have 
to change the seat covers.


Q2:  Someone in the past suggested there is a rod in the back tilt 
mechanism that might be off one tooth left to right that causes the 
back frame to twist.  However on the 124 seat, I have not found this 
rod or how to change it.  I am not seeing much helpful on the section 
91 of the CD.


One possibility is to remove the backs, of both seats and swap the 
covers.  That is a lot of work, and if there is an easier way, I am 
listening.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat

[Curt Raymond]

Is a 124 switch the same as a 201?

I think I still have the ones from my '85 190D. I'd bought those from Q not all 
that long ago, 2005 I guess.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:46:10 -0500
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After more disassembly, I find I was wrong, there IS a rod.  The left
motor runs the back, the right motor runs the headrest up and down.
At this point, it seems there is no way to pull or adjust the rod.
It also seems like swapping the back will not be the easiest as I did
not take out the headrest of either seat.  So it will be difficult to
find the pins to run the functions I need to run the headrest out,
and to remove the seat back wiring from the seat bottom.

So, I need to either find out how to adjust the rod.  OR
figure out the pin system to get out the headrest.

Headrest is also  complicated by the fact that the door switch for
the seats has the headrest broken, so putting the seat back in to run
the headrest involves taking the panel off, the switch out and
manually jumpering the headrest switch.   Probably easier just to
apply power to pins in the seat bottom randomly.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat

[Dieselhead]

Dunno.  It IS different than a 126.

I reassembled the seat without the drive cable so I can adjust the 
headrest manually.  I don't need the new switch, but thanks for 
thinking of me.




Is a 124 switch the same as a 201?

I think I still have the ones from my '85 190D. I'd bought those 
from Q not all that long ago, 2005 I guess.


-Curt

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After more disassembly, I find I was wrong, there IS a rod.  The left
motor runs the back, the right motor runs the headrest up and down.
At this point, it seems there is no way to pull or adjust the rod.
It also seems like swapping the back will not be the easiest as I did
not take out the headrest of either seat.  So it will be difficult to
find the pins to run the functions I need to run the headrest out,
and to remove the seat back wiring from the seat bottom.

So, I need to either find out how to adjust the rod.  OR
figure out the pin system to get out the headrest.

Headrest is also  complicated by the fact that the door switch for
the seats has the headrest broken, so putting the seat back in to run
the headrest involves taking the panel off, the switch out and
manually jumpering the headrest switch.   Probably easier just to
apply power to pins in the seat bottom randomly.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat

[Dieselhead]

I figured out how to run the seat motor to adjust the back tilt from 
the seat back electric harness.   It is the two big pins in the plug. 
on this seat the tilt has one harness and the headrest has a separate 
harness.   On the donor seat, the headrest had one cable and the back 
tilt was two pins in the big plug, where on mine, the tilt has 5 
wires, two big and 3 small wires.


The rod is held in place at each end by a spring with the end stuffed 
in a hole in the drive.  I was able to get one end of the rod loose 
and run the motor until it hit the stop.  Each side seemed to hit the 
stop at different places.


the spare seat turned out to be worthless.  It was stamped with a 
mfg. date of 11 86.  It came out of an 87.  The original seat was not 
stamped, but the car was built in 06/87, so it is somewhat later, 
although both are 1987 models.  The electrics of the seat back, where 
connected to the bottom are completely different between the donor 
and recipient.  The idea of swapping backs was abandoned.


I was not able to get the seat cover loose at the top of the back, 
where the seat back attaches at the top also.  So, I left the seat 
cover on the original seat.  I tried to get the right and left sides 
lined up when I put it together.  It got dark on me, so tomorrow I 
will try to see if the back is better or still twisted.  I think it 
is improved, because the prior time I took the back loose, I had to 
twist it to get the bolts back in.  Tonight, the bolt holes lined up.


Thanks Wilton, for the .pdf.

What should have been a 2 hour project turned into an all day project as usual.



'Just sent the seat electric diagram to you - page 148 of the pdf.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:53 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 124 seat

The CD at www.w124performance.com only has wiring diagrams INDEX 
for 1993 on.  No diagrams for the seats.



Well, the USA models all have electric seats, and they are 
different than the sketch in the CD section 91.  There is a motor 
right and left.  What I would need to do is run the right motor 
forward to even up the seat back.  There is NO ROD connecting right 
and left.


Without diving into the wiring diagrams, which are likely 
incomplete on the CD, it may be easier at this point to swap the 
seat backs.  It would be for sure easier if the donor seat was the 
right color.


i will spend a small amount of time looking at the wiring to see if 
the right motor could be run a bit





The driver's seat in my 87 300D has had a twisted back since I got 
the car.  Today's project is the seat.


Q1:  Are the passenger and driver's seat (above the mounting and 
slides) interchangeable as are the 123?


I have a spare passenger seat that I can use for parts, but i'd 
have to change the seat covers.


Q2:  Someone in the past suggested there is a rod in the back tilt 
mechanism that might be off one tooth left to right that causes the 
back frame to twist.  However on the 124 seat, I have not found 
this rod or how to change it.  I am not seeing much helpful on the 
section 91 of the CD.


One possibility is to remove the backs, of both seats and swap the 
covers.  That is a lot of work, and if there is an easier way, I am 
listening.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat

[Dieselhead]

Thanks, Where did you find the diagram?  Is it in the cd and I just 
could not find it?


The pdf you sent is the circuits before the switch.  I needed the 
wiring at the seat itself, and inside the seat.  But for now, I 
figured out enough to get by.



'Just sent the seat electric diagram to you - page 148 of the pdf.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:53 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 124 seat

The CD at www.w124performance.com only has wiring diagrams INDEX 
for 1993 on.  No diagrams for the seats.



Well, the USA models all have electric seats, and they are 
different than the sketch in the CD section 91.  There is a motor 
right and left.  What I would need to do is run the right motor 
forward to even up the seat back.  There is NO ROD connecting right 
and left.


Without diving into the wiring diagrams, which are likely 
incomplete on the CD, it may be easier at this point to swap the 
seat backs.  It would be for sure easier if the donor seat was the 
right color.


i will spend a small amount of time looking at the wiring to see if 
the right motor could be run a bit





The driver's seat in my 87 300D has had a twisted back since I got 
the car.  Today's project is the seat.


Q1:  Are the passenger and driver's seat (above the mounting and 
slides) interchangeable as are the 123?


I have a spare passenger seat that I can use for parts, but i'd 
have to change the seat covers.


Q2:  Someone in the past suggested there is a rod in the back tilt 
mechanism that might be off one tooth left to right that causes the 
back frame to twist.  However on the 124 seat, I have not found 
this rod or how to change it.  I am not seeing much helpful on the 
section 91 of the CD.


One possibility is to remove the backs, of both seats and swap the 
covers.  That is a lot of work, and if there is an easier way, I am 
listening.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat

[Jim Cathey]

The driver's seat in my 87 300D has had a twisted back since I got the 
car.  Today's project is the seat.


You need to re-phase the left and right side gear quadrants.
On the manual seats, it's the rod you slip out of one side.
Run both sides back to their stops, then reconnect things.
Electric backs are similar, but I think they have two drive
cables, one to each end of the appropriate motor.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat

[Walt Zarnoch]

The real question is HOW they get out pf sync in the FIRST place...

Walt
On Oct 10, 2011 1:04 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 The driver's seat in my 87 300D has had a twisted back since I got the car.
  Today's project is the seat.


 You need to re-phase the left and right side gear quadrants.
 On the manual seats, it's the rod you slip out of one side.
 Run both sides back to their stops, then reconnect things.
 Electric backs are similar, but I think they have two drive
 cables, one to each end of the appropriate motor.

 -- Jim



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[MBZ] 124 seat

[Dieselhead]

If anyone is interested in a 124 seat, I have one up for grabs.  It 
is the passenger side, so if your driver-side spring is broken, this 
would have a good seat bottom.  It also has good motors and drive 
cables.  The seat covers are blue, and in good condition, but need a 
good cleaning.


email me  off list if interested.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat bottoms

[Ralph W]

Great info Joe. Good to see you posting again.

That explains why the seats in the '87 feel so much different than the'90. 
Dave also has a couple of nice pics on his website of the foam blocks. I 
assume I can get them from Rusty?


I wonder if they will completely cure my problem. I seem to sink into the 
rear center of the seat. Could there be broken springs similar to what 
happens on 123 seats?


Ralph W.
'83 300CD '82 300TD (2 parts wagons)
'90 300D   '01 E320 Wagon
'87 300TD 

Re: [MBZ] 124 seat bottoms

[Joe Knight]

Broken springs can certainly be a fly in the ointment, Ralph.  But if
the seat frames are intact and the cushions not completely worn out
I'll warrant that you'll have a hard time believing the effect that 2
little foam blocks placed between the coils across the front of the
seat can have.  Dave posted to that effect and I can only confirm his
stated impression.  Don't know what they cost now but I paid 7 
change per for the 4 I got earlier in the year.  I should state that
probably early last year I completely disassembled my seats, confirmed
no broken springs, and stitched several layers of synthetic burlap
stretched as tightly as I could to the tops of the frames.  That had
some small effect but nothing compared to the blocks.

-joe

[MBZ] 124 seat bottoms

[Ralph W]

Anybody know if seat bottoms on a 124 power seat are as easily interchanged as 
on 123's? My new wagon is in serious need of a rebuild. Zedic probably didn't 
notice it as I probably weigh 60 lbs more than he does.

Ralph W.
'83 300CD '82 300TD (2 parts wagons)
'90 300D   '01 E320 Wagon
'87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] 124 seat bottoms

[Joe Knight]

With the seat electrics involved separation of the seat back from the
bottom is kind of a pita.  btdt.  Additionally, the seat memory for
the driver's seat would require that you interchange the control
modules if you want to retain that feature.  If your seat bottom is
just 'flaccid', there's a much easier fix that'll make a world of
difference.  After about 04/89, there were installed universally at
the factory 2 foam blocks in each front seat.  I just last week
finally got around to installing those into the seats of my wagon and
they completely transformed the seat.  It was Dave Meimann I believe
who first discovered that this is a factory specified fix for the
problem as indicated in the Programmed Repairs section of the fsm in
group 91.  You'll also find some similar documentation at his website
that I believe came from the WIS.  Look for 'seat boost' at:
http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/W124/  
http://www.w124performance.com/images/W124_stuff/.

I said it's easier than swapping.  That's assuming you haven't found a
pristine junkyard seat with which to replace the entire assembly.
You'll still have to pull the seat and a couple of plastic trim pieces
and tease the cushion bottom out of the channel in the frame.  As it'd
been a while since I'd had the front seats out it took me probably 2.5
hours soup to nuts for the driver's side.  Couple of days later with
that more recent experience under my belt I did the passenger side in
1.5 hrs.  If they're not already broken don't be surprised if you do
break at least one of those plastic trims trying to get them off;
fortunately they're not horrendously expensive to replace.

-j

Re: [MBZ] 124 seat bottoms

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Not quite as easy as on a 123.

Ralph W wrote:


Anybody know if seat bottoms on a 124 power seat are as easily interchanged as 
on 123's? My new wagon is in serious need of a rebuild. Zedic probably didn't 
notice it as I probably weigh 60 lbs more than he does.

Ralph W.
'83 300CD '82 300TD (2 parts wagons)
'90 300D   '01 E320 Wagon
'87 300TD
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