I would just ask him if there's a chance the pump is 180 out. Mistakes
happen even for someone who's done a hundred pumps.
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote:
Sure..I would try diesel purge and check pump timing.
Mike
On Jun 15, 2013 3:26 PM,
Yes that is the idea on Monday after I get out work. I will go over all of the
suggestions with him. He is very receptive to trying things to get it going.
Michael E. Esh
231-286-2344
On Jun 16, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote:
I would just ask him if there's a
Mike Esh wrote:
Yes that is the idea on Monday after I get out work. I will go over all of the suggestions with him. He is very receptive to trying things to get it going.
Let me know if you need a can of purge.
Mitch.
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Subject: [MBZ] 1984 300D injection Pump - possible failure of used pump.
The pump from Mitch looks like it may be a lost cause. My mechanic cannot
get the car to idle correctly or develop any power. He set the timing at 24
degrees as baseline and then moved to to 26. At 24 it barely
Thanks for the idea. I will suggest it. kind of like setting the distributor
up 180 degrees wrong in a gasoline engine?
Mi
On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:26 PM, OK Don wrote:
IIRC, someone, some time back had a silmilar issue with a pump after
re-installing it. Turned out to be one crank revolution
Michael Esh wrote:
Thanks for the idea. I will suggest it. kind of like setting the distributor
up 180 degrees wrong in a gasoline engine?
Yep, except the only thing the gas engine will do is maybe shoot flames out the
intake. The diesel will run, sort of, if there's fuel in the cylinder
I will meet with him on Monday and go over these things. I did not ask him how
many pumps he had changed, I would feel a little awkward doing this The shop
has been there as long as I can remember and I am 56. They also put an engine
in my 73 220D several years back. I believe he is
I also found one IP that was timed xxº ATDC in
place of xxº BTDC that makes a difference too.
If I am to believe the plate on the front license
holder, that work was done by a qualified
German auto specialist shop.
Just because they are reputable does not mean
they don't make mistakes.
I had similar symptoms, but not as severe, with an EGR valve that stuck open.
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Michael Esh michael...@mac.com wrote:
Thanks for the idea. I will suggest it. kind of like setting the
distributor up 180 degrees wrong in a gasoline engine?
Mi
On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:26 PM, OK Don wrote:
IIRC, someone,
Oh, I forgot about the EGR sticking -- muffled knock, low power (very
low) and ENORMOUS amounts of inky smoke.
Happened on the Volvo, not the MB, but quite impressive none the less.
Has nothing to do with pump timing, and will vanish if you get the EGR
closed and pull the vac line.
Peter
Michael Esh michael...@mac.com wrote:
I did not ask him how many pumps he had changed, I would feel a
little awkward doing this
Huh?? You are trusting him to correctly work on your car - in exchange
for _your_ money - and don't want to ask about his qualifications??
Whatever!
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Might just ask him to check the IP timing and see what his response is.
That avoids the awkward question on his experience.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi)
On 6/15/2013 6:17 AM, Michael Esh wrote:
I will meet with him on Monday and go over these things. I did
Benz Hogs wrote:
Might just ask him to check the IP timing and see what his response is.
That avoids the awkward question on his experience.
Earlier description made it sound like he had been playing with the timing and
changing it from x degrees to y degrees to make the engine quit acting
One more question:
If a previously working IP sat in a box for ten years, would it be possible to
have a delivery valve or two stick open when you put in on an engine?
Mitch.
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Sure..I would try diesel purge and check pump timing.
Mike
On Jun 15, 2013 3:26 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
One more question:
If a previously working IP sat in a box for ten years, would it be
possible to have a delivery valve or two stick open when you put in on an
engine?
The pump from Mitch looks like it may be a lost cause. My mechanic cannot
get the car to idle correctly or develop any power. He set the timing at 24
degrees as baseline and then moved to to 26. At 24 it barely ran at all. At
26 it idled a little better but not good at all. It lopes and
The pump from Mitch looks like it may be a lost cause. My mechanic cannot
get the car to idle correctly or develop any power. He set the timing at 24
degrees as baseline and then moved to to 26. At 24 it barely ran at all. At
26 it idled a little better but not good at all. It lopes and
Michael Esh wrote:
The pump from Mitch looks like it may be a lost cause. My mechanic cannot
get the car to idle correctly or develop any power. He set the timing at 24
degrees as baseline and then moved to to 26. At 24 it barely ran at all. At
26 it idled a little better but not good
How do the lift pumps check out? Correct pressure to the pump is critical.
Mike
On Jun 13, 2013 7:32 PM, Michael Esh michael...@mac.com wrote:
The pump from Mitch looks like it may be a lost cause. My mechanic
cannot get the car to idle correctly or develop any power. He set the
timing
Michael,
Do you mean the lift pump that the manual pump is attached too? There are no
leaks around the area. How do check the pressure on the lift pump? Should
mechanic be able to test it?
Michael E. Esh
231-286-2344
On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael Esh wrote:
The pump from Mitch looks like it may be a lost cause. My mechanic cannot
get the car to idle correctly or develop any power. He set the timing at 24
degrees as baseline and then moved to to 26. At 24 it barely ran at all.
At 26 it idled a little better but not
Is there any chance a can of diesel purge would make a difference if something
got gummed up in storage?
I bought that pump several years ago.
If Mike still has the box he can tell you when from the postage label.
Mitch.
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Subject: [MBZ] 1984 300D injection Pump - possible failure of used pump.
The pump from Mitch looks like it may be a lost cause. My mechanic cannot
get the car to idle correctly or develop any power. He set the timing at 24
IIRC, someone, some time back had a silmilar issue with a pump after
re-installing it. Turned out to be one crank revolution out of time (IP
turns half of crank speed). Perhaps Kaleb knows what I'm thinking of?
Sounds like it wasn't hard to get it wrong ---
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Scott
OK Don wrote:
IIRC, someone, some time back had a silmilar issue with a pump after
re-installing it. Turned out to be one crank revolution out of time (IP
turns half of crank speed). Perhaps Kaleb knows what I'm thinking of?
Sounds like it wasn't hard to get it wrong ---
Very good point. That
If the pump is 180 degees out it will run, but very badly with lots of
rattling and smoke, low power. This is because the fuel is being
injected on the intake stroke instead of the compression stroke, so
you are compressing fuel/air mist.
You must line up the marks on the pump and housing
This makes more sense than all bad injectors.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D injection Pump - possible failure of used pump
IIRC, someone, some time back had a silmilar issue with a pump after
re-installing it. Turned out to be one crank revolution out of time (IP
turns half of crank speed). Perhaps Kaleb knows what I'm thinking of?
Sounds like it wasn't hard to get it wrong ---
Pre-zackly! Before I put a pump in
Was that Little Crock car black? I think I drove that car and got
pulled over by the state police cause it was smoking like a broken
freight train.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi)
On 6/13/2013 10:44 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
I found the new pump on the klebmobile
Was that Little Crock car black? I think I drove that car and got
pulled over by the state police cause it was smoking like a broken
freight train.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi)
nope gray
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I guess he got another one from LR.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi)
On 6/13/2013 11:09 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Was that Little Crock car black? I think I drove that car and got
pulled over by the state police cause it was smoking like a broken
freight train.
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