Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-02-10 Thread Troy Kocher
Listers, Thanks for all the helpful comments, Finally some additional detail. Well we determined that if we remove the fuel pump fuse and allow only the remaining fuel to the engine the car WILL start when it's cold. But obviously only for a few seconds. Also determined from another local owner

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-02-10 Thread Dieselhead
Thanks for letting us know the diagnosis and outcome. I can understand why the owner may be relieved. The owner of the shop probably not happy. Listers, Thanks for all the helpful comments, Finally some additional detail. Well we determined that if we remove the fuel pump fuse and

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-02-10 Thread Rich Thomas
That is called fire from the heat of friction. Friction between the loan company and the insurance company, and in this case, the mechanic! A successful fire! --R On 2/10/12 4:08 PM, Troy Kocher wrote: In my particular case this car wasn't so lucky. Instead of removing the fuse, the

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start NOW MONITOR

2012-01-18 Thread Tim C
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I missed that link -- do you have it?  I like cheap electronics that do stuff interesting. I bought this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005NLQAHS/ref=fb_lfb_prodpg_4 Works well in my '05 Ford with

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start quotes

2012-01-16 Thread Max
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Why? Sounds like he is putting the list and it's members down. Hendrik who is talking the list up Max wrote: Kaleb, I nominate this for the quotes page! Not only did he slam the list, but poor Troy too. For a minute I thought RLE had written that

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start quotes

2012-01-16 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
No offense was meant to any specific list member here... it was just a general statement about the experience on the list with newer models. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. My mind was in the wrong place after getting worked up on the Nissan Mercedes engine thing. Jaime On Mon, Jan 16, 2012

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-16 Thread Tim C
On Jan 15, 2012 8:21 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: . When I get one, I'd like to get the ability to monitor stuff while driving around. I bought the $20 Bluetooth one that someone linked recently. I was very happy with it on our recent trip to FL, I watched the engine and

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start quotes

2012-01-16 Thread Dan Penoff
Jaime, You made some valid points, no matter what. In these days of globalism, it's difficult, if not nearly impossible, to consider that a particular brand is the sum of parts that are 100% made by that brand. Even back in the 1980s this was the case. I know that when I was working for

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start quotes

2012-01-16 Thread Dieselhead
In terms of manufacturing quality, the japanese, and toada in particular, led the world in the 70s and 80s. They developed machines capable of much tighter tolerances that was available in the rest of the world, Then they held their tolerances right at the optimal for the most part. They

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start quotes

2012-01-16 Thread Craig
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:32:40 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: In statistical terms, the frods had a normal distribution, where the japanese trans parts had a very high peak on the optimal, with the tails covering a much smaller area than the frod distribution. In other words, they

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start NOW MONITOR

2012-01-16 Thread Rich Thomas
I missed that link -- do you have it? I like cheap electronics that do stuff interesting. --R On 1/16/12 9:48 AM, Tim C wrote: On Jan 15, 2012 8:21 PM, Maxmeadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: . When I get one, I'd like to get the ability to monitor stuff while driving around. I bought the

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start quotes

2012-01-16 Thread Dieselhead
Precisely On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:32:40 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: In statistical terms, the frods had a normal distribution, where the japanese trans parts had a very high peak on the optimal, with the tails covering a much smaller area than the frod distribution. In

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-16 Thread Thomas Savage
On 1/15/2012 7:21 PM, Max wrote: Gerry Archerarche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, can you or anyone suggest a good brand of OBD-ll? Amazon has some decent prices. When I get one, I'd like to get the ability to monitor stuff while driving around. If you have a smart phone, the Torque

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
The solution is easy. You hook up the diagnosis and see what it tells you is wrong. This is a modern car, not one 30 year old EFI diagnosis techniques is needed. Asking for a solution to a 2003 Mercedes anything here is like asking for advice on getting the space shuttle running again. Lots of

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Oh yes, and since we're throwing out random guesses, I'd agree with Hendrick and say its a temp sensor also. Via diagnosis, you should be able to see what each are reporting and see if it makes sense given the current ambient temp. Jaime On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Jaime Kopchinski

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Gerry Archer
Hi Jaime, If I buy a 2006 GL320cdi does the diagnosis come with it? If not, how much does the diagnosis cost? Thanks, Gerry From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com The solution is easy. You hook up the diagnosis and see what it tells you is wrong. This is a modern car, not one 30 year old

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Gerry, Every car since 1996 supports standardized OBD-II diagnosis. The readers are pretty inexpensive. They start at well under $100 for a basic tool. Jaime On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Hi Jaime, If I buy a 2006 GL320cdi does the diagnosis

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Gerry Archer
Thanks, Jaime. Also, do you know if the C series is going to be available with the Nissan diesel engines? Also, can you or anyone suggest a good brand of OBD-ll? I'd like to buy one for my daughter/son-in-law who have a late model Mercedes. Gerry From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Max
Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, can you or anyone suggest a good brand of OBD-ll? Amazon has some decent prices. When I get one, I'd like to get the ability to monitor stuff while driving around. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Hendrik Fay
Bit grumpy today? Apparently Troy asked for some ideas as to why his car is not starting when it is cold, that's what we did, sure the easy thing is to say: drag it down to the dealer and pay them to fix it. However if we did this then there is no real reason for any sort of discussion lists

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Dieselhead
Also, can you or anyone suggest a good brand of OBD-ll? I'd like to buy one for my daughter/son-in-law who have a late model Mercedes. Gerry Kleb had some fleabay software and cable that made an ODBII reader out of a laptop. That sounds interesting to me. For the low end kind, Harbor

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Max
Kaleb, I nominate this for the quotes page! Will someone second the motion? Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: Asking for a solution to a 2003 Mercedes anything here is like asking for advice on getting the space shuttle running again. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start quotes

2012-01-15 Thread Hendrik Fay
Why? Sounds like he is putting the list and it's members down. Hendrik who is talking the list up Max wrote: Kaleb, I nominate this for the quotes page! Will someone second the motion? Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: Asking for a solution to a 2003 Mercedes anything

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Hahahahahahaha Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Kaleb, I nominate this for the quotes page! Will someone second the motion? Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: Asking for a solution to a 2003 Mercedes anything here is like

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Thank you, thank you... On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Kaleb, I nominate this for the quotes page! Will someone second the motion? Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: Asking for a solution to a 2003 Mercedes anything here is like asking

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley
Max wrote: Amazon has some decent prices. When I get one, I'd like to get the ability to monitor stuff while driving around. I use a ScanGauge II. Bought it three years ago to monitor MPG, but find it handy to put various sensor readings on the screen. They have a new version that only

[MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-14 Thread Troy Kocher
Listers I'm having difficulty with starting a 2003 C240 when the ambient temp is less than 30 degrees. It cranks like normal but will not start I really need ideas Thanks Troy 1995 E420 185kMI 1995 E300 250kMi (saved my life in a wreck) 1977 240d 196kMi (sold) 1982 240d parts (sold) 1977 240d

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-14 Thread Craig
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:35:06 -0600 Troy Kocher tkoc...@mercedesman.com wrote: Listers I'm having difficulty with starting a 2003 C240 when the ambient temp is less than 30 degrees. It cranks like normal but will not start I really need ideas Do you have a way to test if the engine is

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-14 Thread Hendrik Fay
Generally hard starting in cold weather is because the fuel system is not enriching the mixture, in other words, your choke is not working. Not sure what the M112 uses as enrichment but my guess would be that the temperature sensor is not sensing. I take it the check engine light is not lit

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-14 Thread Dieselhead
Since the M104 went to COP, I would guess this is also a COP engine. I don't think you can do that ol fashioned test with a COP, but I may be wrong. Seems like whatever causes the cold start mixture to be enriched is not working. A temp sensor? a wire off/loose? I think the computer does

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-14 Thread Dieselhead
Hey, you know more than everyone else put together. If you don't believe me, ask yourself.How does a spark get into the cylinder on your car? Since the M104 went to COP, I would guess this is also a COP engine. I don't think you can do that ol fashioned test with a COP, but I

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-14 Thread Mitch Haley
Dieselhead wrote: Since the M104 went to COP, I would guess this is also a COP engine. I don't think you can do that ol fashioned test with a COP, but I may be wrong. Seems like whatever causes the cold start mixture to be enriched is not working. A temp sensor? a wire off/loose? I think