Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
I think that a head on crash might trump storage. RB On 30/09/2014 2:35 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote: Storage, the single most destructive thing you can do to a car. On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi Guys, I have a 2004 E320 4Matic (87K) that I stored in my garage for the last 5 months attached to a trickle charger. I decided to take it out for a ride today. Almost immediately the ABS and ESP warning came on in the console along with the amber abs light. I drove it for a mile and the the brakes appeared normal but I parked it anyway. The car was running great when I stored it. Any ideas on what to check first? Could the 5 month storage have caused the issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bob K ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
Any ideas how to reset the warning light and warning messages after I clean the sensors? Will correcting the issue automatically reset the warnings? -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question I would start by pulling a wheel or two and checking the wheel sensors to make sure there's nothing crudding them up. Dan On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi Guys, I have a 2004 E320 4Matic (87K) that I stored in my garage for the last 5 months attached to a trickle charger. I decided to take it out for a ride today. Almost immediately the ABS and ESP warning came on in the console along with the amber abs light. I drove it for a mile and the the brakes appeared normal but I parked it anyway. The car was running great when I stored it. Any ideas on what to check first? Could the 5 month storage have caused the issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bob K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
If the wheel sensors are cruddy and you clean them up, yes, the system will reset itself and clear the codes after driving for a bit. Dan On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Robert Koziak rkmerce...@aol.com wrote: Any ideas how to reset the warning light and warning messages after I clean the sensors? Will correcting the issue automatically reset the warnings? -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question I would start by pulling a wheel or two and checking the wheel sensors to make sure there's nothing crudding them up. Dan On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi Guys, I have a 2004 E320 4Matic (87K) that I stored in my garage for the last 5 months attached to a trickle charger. I decided to take it out for a ride today. Almost immediately the ABS and ESP warning came on in the console along with the amber abs light. I drove it for a mile and the the brakes appeared normal but I parked it anyway. The car was running great when I stored it. Any ideas on what to check first? Could the 5 month storage have caused the issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bob K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
Thanks. I will try to clean them this weekend. -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, Sep 30, 2014 7:03 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question If the wheel sensors are cruddy and you clean them up, yes, the system will reset itself and clear the codes after driving for a bit. Dan On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Robert Koziak rkmerce...@aol.com wrote: Any ideas how to reset the warning light and warning messages after I clean the sensors? Will correcting the issue automatically reset the warnings? -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question I would start by pulling a wheel or two and checking the wheel sensors to make sure there's nothing crudding them up. Dan On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi Guys, I have a 2004 E320 4Matic (87K) that I stored in my garage for the last 5 months attached to a trickle charger. I decided to take it out for a ride today. Almost immediately the ABS and ESP warning came on in the console along with the amber abs light. I drove it for a mile and the the brakes appeared normal but I parked it anyway. The car was running great when I stored it. Any ideas on what to check first? Could the 5 month storage have caused the issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bob K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
There's no physical contact between the sensors and the rotors, so I would be surprised if any non-ferrous material that might get in there during storage, like spider webs, bugs, etc., would affect the operation. The wheel sensors are always a good place to start looking if you're getting lights. I'm not sure how rust or corrosion might affect them, however. I would agree that some vigorous driving might clear things up. Can't hurt to have a look, though. Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 30, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm wondering if some vigorous driving wouldn't clear this up, blow out the cobwebs if you will? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
Doesn't ESP use sensors to keep the brake pads as close as possible to the rotors to reduce braking distance? I would imagine that corrosion on the discs would mess with that system. I'd be inclined to try cheap/easy first (drive the car a bit) before taking complex systems apart. Isn't there some special procedure required before any brake on that car? Another thought: make sure all the tires are inflated to spec, one tire too low will turn faster than the rest, and that may trigger the ABS light. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 30, 2014 9:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There's no physical contact between the sensors and the rotors, so I would be surprised if any non-ferrous material that might get in there during storage, like spider webs, bugs, etc., would affect the operation. The wheel sensors are always a good place to start looking if you're getting lights. I'm not sure how rust or corrosion might affect them, however. I would agree that some vigorous driving might clear things up. Can't hurt to have a look, though. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
Good suggestion, Max. I hadn't thought about the 4Matic stuff. I found this out the hard way for a friend with a Subaru. Seems that he replaced a tire due to some road damage. After doing so, he kept getting errors from the AWD system. I looked at it for him and did some research on the system. Seems that if the tire diameter(s) deviate more than a certain percentage the system gets ugly and won't work. He had to put a whole new set of tires on the car. Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 30, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Doesn't ESP use sensors to keep the brake pads as close as possible to the rotors to reduce braking distance? I would imagine that corrosion on the discs would mess with that system. I'd be inclined to try cheap/easy first (drive the car a bit) before taking complex systems apart. Isn't there some special procedure required before any brake on that car? Another thought: make sure all the tires are inflated to spec, one tire too low will turn faster than the rest, and that may trigger the ABS light. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 30, 2014 9:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There's no physical contact between the sensors and the rotors, so I would be surprised if any non-ferrous material that might get in there during storage, like spider webs, bugs, etc., would affect the operation. The wheel sensors are always a good place to start looking if you're getting lights. I'm not sure how rust or corrosion might affect them, however. I would agree that some vigorous driving might clear things up. Can't hurt to have a look, though. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
Storage, the single most destructive thing you can do to a car. On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi Guys, I have a 2004 E320 4Matic (87K) that I stored in my garage for the last 5 months attached to a trickle charger. I decided to take it out for a ride today. Almost immediately the ABS and ESP warning came on in the console along with the amber abs light. I drove it for a mile and the the brakes appeared normal but I parked it anyway. The car was running great when I stored it. Any ideas on what to check first? Could the 5 month storage have caused the issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bob K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
Depends on what car. I've had one 240D in storage for about 10 years. I've moved it a few times in that period, and worked on some things, but it has not been run on the road. 2 weeks ago I got it out, washed it off and fired it up and been running it. Only problems are the fuel gauge and alt. I bought a used alt for $25 (less than new bruses and VR set) and cleaned the fuel level sender. 240Ds store well. I would expect a 123 300D NA would store well too. new cars with electronic crap don't. I expect my 2 240Ds to be the last cars I ever drive in this life. They just keep going. At the end of the world, only cockroaches and 240Ds will be running. Storage, the single most destructive thing you can do to a car. On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi Guys, I have a 2004 E320 4Matic (87K) that I stored in my garage for the last 5 months attached to a trickle charger. I decided to take it out for a ride today. Almost immediately the ABS and ESP warning came on in the console along with the amber abs light. I drove it for a mile and the the brakes appeared normal but I parked it anyway. The car was running great when I stored it. Any ideas on what to check first? Could the 5 month storage have caused the issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bob K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
I know the feeling -- I've got a 78 240D like that. 330K and still going strong. The rust bug is getting going pretty bad on the rockers and floors.Also the park lug broke so it rolls in park. Other than that it just needs TLC. I refuse to scrap it as it's too good for that but I doubt I'd get much for it due to the rust. But it starts instantly every time. Larry On 9/30/2014 3:45 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Depends on what car. I've had one 240D in storage for about 10 years. I've moved it a few times in that period, and worked on some things, but it has not been run on the road. 2 weeks ago I got it out, washed it off and fired it up and been running it. Only problems are the fuel gauge and alt. I bought a used alt for $25 (less than new bruses and VR set) and cleaned the fuel level sender. 240Ds store well. I would expect a 123 300D NA would store well too. new cars with electronic crap don't. I expect my 2 240Ds to be the last cars I ever drive in this life. They just keep going. At the end of the world, only cockroaches and 240Ds will be running. Storage, the single most destructive thing you can do to a car. On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi Guys, I have a 2004 E320 4Matic (87K) that I stored in my garage for the last 5 months attached to a trickle charger. I decided to take it out for a ride today. Almost immediately the ABS and ESP warning came on in the console along with the amber abs light. I drove it for a mile and the the brakes appeared normal but I parked it anyway. The car was running great when I stored it. Any ideas on what to check first? Could the 5 month storage have caused the issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bob K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
Hi Guys, I have a 2004 E320 4Matic (87K) that I stored in my garage for the last 5 months attached to a trickle charger. I decided to take it out for a ride today. Almost immediately the ABS and ESP warning came on in the console along with the amber abs light. I drove it for a mile and the the brakes appeared normal but I parked it anyway. The car was running great when I stored it. Any ideas on what to check first? Could the 5 month storage have caused the issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bob K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
I would start by pulling a wheel or two and checking the wheel sensors to make sure there's nothing crudding them up. Dan On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi Guys, I have a 2004 E320 4Matic (87K) that I stored in my garage for the last 5 months attached to a trickle charger. I decided to take it out for a ride today. Almost immediately the ABS and ESP warning came on in the console along with the amber abs light. I drove it for a mile and the the brakes appeared normal but I parked it anyway. The car was running great when I stored it. Any ideas on what to check first? Could the 5 month storage have caused the issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bob K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would start by pulling a wheel or two and checking the wheel sensors to make sure there's nothing crudding them up. Yeah, I'm thinking a little rust on the ABS trigger rings' teeth. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
