[MBZ] 201 Wiper Sluggish

2006-02-28 Thread Curt Raymond
While we're talking wipers has anybody ever lubed a 201 wiper? When its real 
cold out the wiper on my '85 190D gets real sluggish. This car has the sliding 
monowiper, I can't remember the specifc term, it goes in and out during its 
travel.
  I'm thinking I'll drip some ATF into the motor and lube all the linkages too. 
What should I lube the linkages with? I've got some sunroof grease hanging 
around...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:03:53 -0800 (PST)
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115 Experts,
  
  The passenger side wiper does not move on the 75 240D.  The shaft  
does not turn.  I think the wipers were turned on when they were  frozen 
to the windshield.  Would someone be so kind as to post the  short 
version of how to fix it?  I hope it is not an onerous a job  like the 
heater fan...
  
  Thanks,
  
  

Bruce
82 300CD 334kmi 'His'
85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers'
75 240D 202kmi 'Donner'
77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen'
73 220D 'It'



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Thanks to all that replied for the tips. I'm looking forward to another  
interesting cross country journey with my trusty side-kick Wulf.
  
  
  Highlights include painted desert, petrified forest, 5 days at  Benedictine 
Monastery in silver city, NM, Alma, CO (highest town in N.  America), CO Hwy 
130 (or 150?) (highest paved highway in North  America), St. Isidore the Farmer 
Romanesque Church outsie of Denver and  the Cathedral of the Plains (largest 
Church west of the MS river when  it was built by German immigrants in KS (many 
of whom were Volga  Germans from Russia. The ones that did not escape back to 
Germany  during the war were liquidated after the war by uncle Joe). The ones 
in  KS faired much better!
  
  Will give an update on performance and any probems encountered...about 2,600 
miles round trip...not really a big deal.
  
  Chris

Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I understand there is an automatic 
mechanism on the...engine?...that

On the injection pump.  ADA for NA engines, ALDA for turbos.  Earlier
cars don't have either mechanism.  The Frankenheap does not, for 
example.

  compensates for altitude. 1) when they do work, do they make a 
 difference?

Absolutely.  All the ADA does is cut fueling at altitude to prevent
grotesque smoking.  Cuts power, obviously.  A turbo is what actually
makes up for the thin air so that you don't notice any difference,
and the ALDA is what adjusts fueling (at all times) to maximize
available power without smoking.

 2) if it does work, what should I know about driving at that altitude, 
 any tips?

Drive normally.

 3) how do I test if it's working?

ALDA/turbo?  If you don't notice any power difference at altitude
it's working.

  4) any tips on driving up and down mountains?

Upgrades are excellent Italian tune-up fodder.  On long downgrades,
if you find you're riding the 

Re: [MBZ] 201 Wiper Sluggish

2006-02-28 Thread Jim Cathey
While we're talking wipers has anybody ever lubed a 201 wiper? When 
its real cold out the wiper on my '85 190D gets real sluggish.


I've heard of it being done, and necessary too!


This car has the sliding monowiper, I can't remember the specifc term,


I believe it's profit center.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 201 Wiper Sluggish

2006-02-28 Thread John Berryman


On Feb 28, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

While we're talking wipers has anybody ever lubed a 201 wiper? When  
its real cold out the wiper on my '85 190D gets real sluggish. This  
car has the sliding monowiper, I can't remember the specifc term,  
it goes in and out during its travel.
  I'm thinking I'll drip some ATF into the motor and lube all the  
linkages too. What should I lube the linkages with? I've got some  
sunroof grease hanging around...


  -Curt



	I'm having the same problem with the same item in a 190D also. I'm  
awaiting a used set-up. I already purchased a used assy and it is  
only slightly better than the original. My wipers do not function  
unless there is water on the windshield and I give it a push with my  
hand. One motor must have a bad gear box or clutch. I have one set-up  
torn apart and almost every part of it is shot.
	I recall something like 4 parts that are required to fix it but so  
far nobody has come forth with the info. I hope the next one at least  
gives me something to work with. I won't mind if I have to combine  
parts from all 3 to make one go. Meanwhile, Rain-X is my best friend.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] 201 Wiper Sluggish

2006-02-28 Thread Dave M.
Curt  Johnny,

I think the problem likely resides in the wiper transmission, the
part tucked under the gray center cover, which you can't access
without fully disassembling the wiper mechanism. Lubricating the
external stuff may help but will only do so much. I also had a slow
monowiper when cold on my 300E, and swapped on my 300D monowiper
instead, which works fine. (I put the later version black wiper on
the 300D.)

Interestingly, the very late W124 monowipers (1994-95 model years)
have a different transmission cover... it's a plastic cap that pops
off so you can see, and lubricate, the internals. I got one of each
(don't ask) of the two versions (Bosch and SWF) and the internals are
TOTALLY different, but both were in dire need of lubrication. I'll be
posting photos eventually. I wanted to install this type on my car but
discovred - two days too late, d'oh - that you need the late
windshield too, which has a groove for the new style weatherstripping.
Alas, that will have to wait, for now. If anyone wants a 94/95
monowiper for W124, drop me a line... I have two I don't need!


Here's a photo of the area that contains the 'transmission' internals:

http://www.superturbos.com/misc/late_wiper1.jpg

And no, that top cover doesn't just pop off!


:)

-Dave M.

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 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:26:55 -0500
 From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 201 Wiper Sluggish


 On Feb 28, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

  While we're talking wipers has anybody ever lubed a 201 wiper? When
  its real cold out the wiper on my '85 190D gets real sluggish. This
  car has the sliding monowiper, I can't remember the specifc term,
  it goes in and out during its travel.
I'm thinking I'll drip some ATF into the motor and lube all the
  linkages too. What should I lube the linkages with? I've got some
  sunroof grease hanging around...
 
-Curt


I'm having the same problem with the same item in a 190D also. I'm
 awaiting a used set-up. I already purchased a used assy and it is
 only slightly better than the original. My wipers do not function
 unless there is water on the windshield and I give it a push with my
 hand. One motor must have a bad gear box or clutch. I have one set-up
 torn apart and almost every part of it is shot.
I recall something like 4 parts that are required to fix it but so
 far nobody has come forth with the info. I hope the next one at least
 gives me something to work with. I won't mind if I have to combine
 parts from all 3 to make one go. Meanwhile, Rain-X is my best friend.

 Johnny B.
 I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] 201 Wiper Sluggish

2006-02-28 Thread Marshall Booth
Curt Raymond wrote:
 While we're talking wipers has anybody ever lubed a 201 wiper? When its r=
eal cold out the wiper on my '85 190D gets real sluggish. This car has the =
sliding monowiper, I can't remember the specifc term, it goes in and out du=
ring its travel.
   I'm thinking I'll drip some ATF into the motor and lube all the linkage=
s too. What should I lube the linkages with? I've got some sunroof grease h=
anging around...

I'm going to try to attach a file that appeared on the old Ritter/Easley =

  Baylor web site (try r=3Dthe file I've attached and see if it works). It =

describes a fairly simple way to service SOME transmissions of 201/124 =

monowipers. Very early models ('85?) and very late ones ('90s?) may NOT =

be opened as described (my Euro '85 190D won't open as described).

Simply removing the arm and lubricating the polished piston shaft with a =

little ATF makes a BIG improvement (several applications with operation =

between each application is better yet), but this strategy is less =

satisfactory than disassembly and lubrication.

If you are going to remove the wiper mechanism anyway, once the wiper is =

out, open the blower housing and lubricate the blower motor (with ATF) =

while you're in there!

Marshall
-- =

  Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
   der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 =

turbo 237kmi
-- next part --

 Wiper Assembly Repair for =


 Mercedes-Benz Single Wiper-Equipped Models

   Introduction

   The  technical  material  for this FAQ (Frequently Asked Question) was
   provided  by  Roger  Ellingson  of  Seattle, Washington, was edited by
   Richard  Easley  of Baylor University, and is provided as a service to
   the subscribers of the Mercedes-Benz Discussion List. =


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   consider  subscribing  to  the Mercedes-Benz Discussion List, which is
   located at the following site:

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   Assumptions

   Using  the  categories  of  mechanical  ability from the Mercedes-Benz
   Discussion List
   [2]http://hsb.baylor.edu/html/easley/mercedes/subscribe.html,you
   need  to be at the level of Light Do-It-Yourselfer at minimum, to do
   this repair.

   Introduction

   About two years ago, some friends were headed off on a weekend trip to
   the  Washington  coast  for  a day on the ocean beach. The weather was
   poor  with  heavy  rain and as they headed down the Interstate passing
   through Tacoma, Washington, the windshield wiper on their high-mileage
   '85 190E came to a stop partway in its travel arc. They stopped on the
   shoulder  and  after  an unsuccessful attempt to get the thing moving,
   they drove slowly to the next exit and made their way several miles to
   the  local  MB dealer. The diagnosis was a failed wiper motor or wiper
   transmission.   This  comes  as  an  assembly  and  costs  about $1000
   installed,  so  they said.  So, my friends rented a car and headed for
   home, the trip forgotten. Upon retrieving the car later that week, the
   bill  was paid and soon after arriving home the cracked windshield was
   discovered,  just where the technician had struck it with a tool while
   installing  the  new  part.  This  was  of  course denied strongly but
   eventually  the  dealer  replaced  the windshield -- all in all, not a
   good week.

=


   So,  while  driving  my  95 C280 in a similar rainstorm several months
   ago,  and  watching the wiper arm slowly groan to a stop, I saw myself
   going through the same experience. Since I was close to my MB dealer I
   presented  my  self and car at the service department for a diagnosis.
   My  service  writer  (I  always  deal  with  the  same one, the Team
   concept)  felt  that  the  transmission  assembly  would  have  to  be
   replaced.  Since  my  extended  warranty would cover this I wasn't too
   concerned until he said that he couldn't work the car in =


   until   the  following  week.  So,  here  I  was  with  a  potentially
   undriveable  car and no way to fix it for ten days. I headed for home,
   between rainstorms, and decided to see what I could do, if anything,

   Tools needed for repairing the wiper arm
1. Small mirror
2. Dental pick or small Allen wrench

   Instructions

1. Raise the hood for improved access.
2. With  the  ignition  off,  rotate  the  wiper  switch to the first
   position. =

3. Turn  the ignition on and off rapidly, so as to move the wiper arm
   out of the park position.
4. Move the arm manually to the straight up position. =

5. Remove  the  three-sided rectangular cover (lower end of arm) that
   extends  over  the  cap  by pulling it straight up from the bottom
   end.
6. Using  a