On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 23:13:09 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
wrote:
> Actually the time the car mysteriously wouldn't start I got to
> seriously impress a co-worker. It took me a minute to find that the
> fuse was blown but it really just sort of cracked right by the screw. I
> managed to tw
Told everybody around the office I was MacGyver
-Curt
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:40:06 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
wrote:
>
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:40:06 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
wrote:
> Before I forget, if you do the push button thing remember 2 problems I
> had:
> #1. The hot wire from the relay to the fuse fell onto the exhaust
> manifold and shorted out
> #2. The light in the dash came from the pow
Craig,
That is what it looks like is included in the $160 kit from Kent
"MerecedesSource" Bergsma, plus wires and the new pencil-style glow plugs
with the larger outside diameter like the old filament plugs, plus two 80A
fuses.
I'm not sure which way Eric is going to go, I'd like to have a try an
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 19:55:27 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
wrote:
> Thanks Philip and all, Eric has tested for power at the appropriate
> pins of the relay socket, and power is there when it should be, so it
> looks like time for a replacement relay.
You _could_ replace it with a starter relay
g.
-Curt
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe
Philip,
50A is correct, according to the service manual. We installed an 80A
because (1) that's all I hav
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Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe
The pencil plug upgrade kit still uses the existing under dash glow
timer/relay, at least it did when I did my TD some years back. Maybe there
is something new now? Another route would be
Thanks Philip and all, Eric has tested for power at the appropriate pins of
the relay socket, and power is there when it should be, so it looks like
time for a replacement relay.
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Max
Charleston SC
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> Max wrote:
>
> Jaime,
>
> We tested the plugs with a cheap-o multi-meter, which
> showed that all had about the same resistance of about 0.5
> ohms.
The resistance is so low that a milliohm meter is the only
effectively measure the resistance. But 0.5 ohm means none
of them are open. :)
> If
What other test can be used? I didn't want to use jumper cables to
apply
power to just one plug at a time, because I was afraid I'd burn them
up,
assuming each is meant to power up with just 1/4 of 12 volts (series
circuit).
Series GP's are rated to work on about 1V each. They were
designed,
t like Kent. I still have mine.
Kent??!!!
Wilton
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Here's the kit that would solve all this woe for about $160...
https://mercedessource.com/store/123-chassis-early-240d-4-cyl-glow-relay-manual-override-kit-w-upgrade-plugs
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>
>
> >Finally had time to dig into the service manual, sections 15-505 and
>> >15-510
>>
>>> lay it out pretty clearly. I th
Kent??!!!
Wilton
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>Finally
Philip,
50A is correct, according to the service manual. We installed an 80A
because (1) that's all I have and (2) that's what was there. Now we know
better...
Perhaps the push-button modification will be where we end up, I'll offer
that as a possibility.
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Max
Charleston SC
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> Max wrote:
>
> 123. Big wire that feeds power to the 80A fuse goes from
> engine side back through firewall, driver's side.
Huh! So much for what I thought I knew. *smiles*
I think the series plugs use a 50 A fuse, but now I'm picking
an nits.
Personally, I would convert it to parallel with
Finally had time to dig into the service manual, sections 15-505 and 15-510
lay it out pretty clearly. I think the relay is bad, just need to get at
it and start measuring voltage at the various pins.
I wonder how the cost of a new relay will compare to the cost of upgrading
to the pencil style
Thanks. Now I just need some time to get under the dash.
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
On February 7, 2016 2:49:17 PM EST, Curly McLain via Mercedes
wrote:
>You've already diagnosed it to be ahead of the fuse. If the fuse
>didn't blow, and since you've tested the plugs and t
Dunno. I'll have to ask. Probably 10¢ on the
dollar compared to the new one, or less. I'd
guess that 15-$20 would get one to your door.
Probably 30-35 for a pair if I can find a pair.
What would the price be, if they have one? For
the right price, would be nice to get a spare
that can be
You've already diagnosed it to be ahead of the fuse. If the fuse
didn't blow, and since you've tested the plugs and there is no short
to ground, you can take a jumper cable to the bat side of the fuse to
light off the engine.
The only other diagnosis is to pull the plug from the relay and
ve
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 1:04 PM
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> Cc: Meade Dillon
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe
>
> Finally had time to dig into the service manual, sections 15-505 and
15-510
> lay it out pretty clearly. I think the relay is bad, ju
Finally had time to dig into the service manual, sections 15-505 and 15-510
lay it out pretty clearly. I think the relay is bad, just need to get at
it and start measuring voltage at the various pins.
I wonder how the cost of a new relay will compare to the cost of upgrading
to the pencil style p
Jaime,
We tested the plugs with a cheap-o multi-meter, which showed that all had
about the same resistance of about 0.5 ohms.
If one or more has gone bad, would that cause a total lack of voltage to
the fuse on the firewall? I can see if one became an open circuit, all the
plugs would not get po
What would the price be, if they have one? For the right price, would be nice
to get a spare that can be tried and tinkered with.
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
On February 7, 2016 10:29:45 AM EST, Curly McLain via Mercedes
wrote:
>>Kaleb,
>>Have a good spare you can sell?
>>-
It's likely a plug has gone bad. In the last few cars I changed series GPs
in, one always went bad in a short period of time. Bosch seems to have a
QC issue in India. I even bought them from MB direct.
Jaime
On Saturday, February 6, 2016, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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Kaleb,
Have a good spare you can sell?
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'95 E300
If the bay of fleas does not have one, I may be able to find you one
tomorrow when I go to find the relay for my SDL.
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I do not
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> On Feb 7, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> Kaleb,
> Have a good spare you can sell?
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>
>> On February 7, 2016 9:09:59 AM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>> wrote:
>> Well the
Kaleb,
Have a good spare you can sell?
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'95 E300
On February 7, 2016 9:09:59 AM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
wrote:
>Well the under dash panel, I would not really call it a knee bolster
>
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>>
Well the under dash panel, I would not really call it a knee bolster
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> On Feb 7, 2016, at 3:11 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> Thanks Scott. Does the knee bolster panel need to come out?
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> '95 E300
>
>> On February
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>> Max Dillon via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 9:26 PM
>> To: Mercedes
>> Cc: Max Dillon
>> Subject: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe
>>
>> Newbie owner of subject vehicle asked me to help diagnose a "no
Thanks Scott. Does the knee bolster panel need to come out?
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'87 300TD
'95 E300
On February 7, 2016 1:16:51 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
wrote:
As I recall, the relay on my 79 TD was under the dash over the driver's
>feet.
I think it lives up above the c
Thanks Scott. Does the knee bolster panel need to come out?
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
On February 7, 2016 1:16:51 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
wrote:
>As I recall, the relay on my 79 TD was under the dash over the driver's
>feet.
>
>
123. Big wire that feeds power to the 80A fuse goes from engine side back
through firewall, driver's side.
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'87 300TD
'95 E300
On February 6, 2016 11:55:20 PM EST, fmiser via Mercedes
wrote:
>
>115 or 123?
>
>I converted my '78 to parallel plugs and added a relay -
Good news, you don't need bushings or a lathe. Both Bosch and Beru make pencil
glow plugs designed to replace the crappy old series plugs.
Also, if you're not getting voltage at the fuse check the thermo-time relay.
That's how the string of plugs is grounded (near the IP at the front of the
eng
Dillon
> Subject: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe
>
> Newbie owner of subject vehicle asked me to help diagnose a "no glow"
> condition. Car has original loop style plugs, new Bosch plugs about six
> months old. Local indie Mercedes place that I trust put in the new plugs,
> Max wrote:
>
> Newbie owner of subject vehicle asked me to help diagnose a
> "no glow" condition. Car has original loop style plugs,
> new Bosch plugs about six months old. Local indie Mercedes
> place that I trust put in the new plugs, and system worked
> fine until last week.
>
> I put in a
My 80 240d had the series GPs and the glow relay on the inner fender
behind the L headlight, roughly the same as the 81 with pencil type
GPs.
I would expect the 77 to have the same system if it does not have the
start knob. However they may have hidden the relay somewhere else.
The 80 relay
Newbie owner of subject vehicle asked me to help diagnose a "no glow"
condition. Car has original loop style plugs, new Bosch plugs about six months
old. Local indie Mercedes place that I trust put in the new plugs, and system
worked fine until last week.
I put in a new fuse, but there is no
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