Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300 D Turbo Excessive Negative Camber
Great explanation Peter, - Do you know if the '91 300D is the same? My 91 300D sits a little lower on one side, perhaps 1/2 or so - when the weather cools a little I'll check things out -- Thx - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300 D Turbo Excessive Negative Camber Have you looked at the subframe bushings? There are four, two front and two rear. There should be a half and inch or more space between subframe and body -- if not, likely the mounts are bad. I'm going to use the ones I intended for the old car for the new one this fall when I get the cash to do all the links. Bad mounts may allow the subframe to rotate along the axle centerline, making it look like there is too much camber. It the mounts are good, all that's left is sagging springs. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300 D Turbo Excessive Negative Camber
I have four new springs that a friend bought for a 300E and never used. Let me know if you are interested and I'm sure you can get them at a good price. Hopefully there are numbers on them to see if they will fit. I have no idea if they would help your problem though. Harry On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Ken Rushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I jacked it up again, removed the wheels and loosened all the bolts (both ends) enough so the bolt moved freely and then jacked up the spring link to the normal level height and tightened all the bolts. And the new links were Lemforder from Rusty (along with the new bolts and busings). I can only tell a slight difference on the driver's side rear but the passenger side rear still looks bad. Would new springs make a difference? Thanks for your help. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300 D Turbo Excessive Negative Camber
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have four new springs that a friend bought for a 300E and never used. Let me know if you are interested and I'm sure you can get them at a good price. Hopefully there are numbers on them to see if they will fit. I have no idea if they would help your problem though. The springs are matched to the car by engine and other options, I think, meaning that the front ones (at least) would be different between a 300E and a 300D Turbo (since the OM603 is significantly heavier than the M103). Alex Chamberlain too many broken 124s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300 D Turbo Excessive Negative Camber
Have you looked at the subframe bushings? There are four, two front and two rear. There should be a half and inch or more space between subframe and body -- if not, likely the mounts are bad. I'm going to use the ones I intended for the old car for the new one this fall when I get the cash to do all the links. Bad mounts may allow the subframe to rotate along the axle centerline, making it look like there is too much camber. It the mounts are good, all that's left is sagging springs. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300 D Turbo Excessive Negative Camber
I jacked it up again, removed the wheels and loosened all the bolts (both ends) enough so the bolt moved freely and then jacked up the spring link to the normal level height and tightened all the bolts. And the new links were Lemforder from Rusty (along with the new bolts and busings). I can only tell a slight difference on the driver's side rear but the passenger side rear still looks bad. Would new springs make a difference? Thanks for your help. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 87 MBZ 300 D Turbo Excessive Negative Camber
My MBZ has excessive negative camber on both rear tires. I just replaced all the links and the control arm busings (two per side) and the rubber pad above the springs. All needed to be replaced - so no loss. But I still have the excessive camber. Are the sub frame mount bushings next? I don't see anything else that could contribute to it. Thanks, Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300 D Turbo Excessive Negative Camber
Bad subframe mounts will not affect camber, just ride and noise. Check ride height (to check for sagging springs, they do go bad). When you replaced the links, did you jack the wheel carrier to ride height BEFORE tightening any of the bolts past a loose fit? Have you had a 4-wheel alignment done by a good shop? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300 D Turbo Excessive Negative Camber
I'm not sure what the correct Ride Height is. The Vehicle Level is within limits - only 5mm difference between rear right and left side. Should I loosen and retighten all the link bolts when the rear axle is perfectly horizontal? Because my mistake was probably when I tightened them all while the wheel carrier was not supported (just dangling). Thanks again. Ken ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300 D Turbo Excessive Negative Camber
Yup. You MUST jack the wheel carrier to the normal position. The rubber in the links acts are part of the spring, and if you tighten them up with the wheel at full extension, they pull it out of place when you put the weight of the car on them. The wheel is too far forward and canted in at the top, looks quite strange next to one with the links properly installed. Jack it up again, remove the wheels, loosen ALL the bolts (both ends) enough that the sleeve in the center of the rubber will move freely, jack the spring link up to the normal level height, and tighten all the bolts. It will handle better and ride better once you do this. Also, do not replace the links with the cheapo aftermarket ones without the rubber vulcanized in place around the sleeve, the car will sit too low and give you excessive negative camber, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
