30, 2008 7:29 PM
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Thanks Royce.
As one mother of a trader killed in the North Tower said my son died
because American Airlines thought a $1500 armored door was too
expensive.
Peter
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Craig wrote: It is truly audacious of the Democrats to entice us with their
slick-tongued messiah, one who appears out of nowhere and graciously offers to
scrape clean and sanitize the same plate of defeat he, his party and their
assistants in the media served to America for nearly eight years
i would love to like president bush, but he sure isn't helping me out much.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig wrote: It is truly audacious of the Democrats to entice us with
their slick-tongued messiah, one who appears out of nowhere and graciously
I finally figured out what some of you Bush haters on this list reminded me
of.
My Mother had Alzheimer's disease I suppose. In the last year or so of her
life she would angrily approach a family member and accuse them of stealing
her teeth, while all the time her teeth were in her mouth. She
Craig McCluskey wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/08/AR2008060801687.html
Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), chairman of the Select
Committee on Intelligence, set out to provide the official foundation
for what has become not only a thriving business
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Craig wrote: It is truly audacious of the Democrats to entice us with their
slick
My thoughts on the invasion of Iraq are simple. Saddam Hussien was trading oil
in Euros. The American dollar is THE currency that oil is traded in, which
makes it the WORLDS reserve currency. With Iraq selling oil in Euros, the
threat of more OPEC members switching to the Euro and other
Rick Knoble wrote:
We HAD to take him out or risk economic collapse.
I don't think that worked out too well.
John
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Perhaps not little Hitlers but incompetent fools who shoot first and ask
question later.
Basically I guess they where told what they wanted to hear, who told
them is anyones guess. The Israeli secret service? An insider in Iraq on
the CIA payroll? Or maybe it was just made up out of an
Steve MacSween wrote:
And forget using the word fire, unless you have a compelling reason to argue
why this was the first steel-framed building in history to COLLAPSE from
fire damage, and not even an engulfing fire at that.
The first steel-framed building in history - where do you get that?
I'm not sure if it's still true but I've seen them spraying asbestoses (!) on
structural steel beams in large buildings to prevent collapse in fire.
Pete
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And forget using the
Mitch Haley wrote:
Somewhere I've got a picture of a burned out barn with steel beams drooped
over a wooden
beam.
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I'm not sure if it's still true
Mitch Haley wrote:
Somewhere I've got a picture of a burned out barn with steel beams drooped
over a wooden
beam.
If you read the article that Mitch referenced, you'll see further down the
difference between a glue-lam wooden composite beam and a steel
beam...making the point that steel can
The heat from the fire will cause steel beams to expand. Two things can
happen, first the expansion can cause walls to be pushed outward and fall.
Second, after the fire, beams can contract as they cool and fall within the
supports that got pushed outward, so, be careful during mop up.
This was
I was joking, we are discussing the conspiracy theory that says
someone deliberately blew up a perfectly good building, right?
The extent of damage is rather difficult to estimate -- the building
had been evacuated when the towers came down, as had all the adjacent
ones, and between the
Yeah, that's one of the problems with the WTC -- that coating is not
strong enough to withstand an air/diesel fuel explosion, so likely
there wasn't much heat protection, quite aside from the asbestos.
Turns out to be fairly difficult to get a coating that's insulating
enough and hard
Thanks Royce.
As one mother of a trader killed in the North Tower said my son died
because American Airlines thought a $1500 armored door was too
expensive.
Peter
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Peter Frederick wrote:
Thanks Royce.
As one mother of a trader killed in the North Tower said my son died
because American Airlines thought a $1500 armored door was too
expensive.
Nope. Because pilots would have thought the stewardesses and passengers getting
their throats slit would
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Yeah, that's one of the problems with the WTC -- that coating is not
strong enough to withstand an air/diesel fuel explosion, so likely
there wasn't much heat protection, quite aside from the asbestos.
Turns
Probably didn't make any difference. The asbestos containing
insulation isn't that much better at slowing heat transfer, and
that's the real problem. After 45 minutes of roasting, the structure
failed, most likely due to a combination of differential thermal
expansion ripping the floor
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
Thanks Royce.
As one mother of a trader killed in the North Tower said my son died
because American
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
Thanks Royce.
As one mother of a trader killed in the North Tower said my son died
because American Airlines thought a $1500 armored door was too
expensive.
Peter
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On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and
everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is completely
inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works
best
not a fan of GWB but some things are just plain silly.
Larry T
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On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gary
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the story is kind
However, I have no doubt that the total lack of communication between
our intelligence agencies, and even within them, was a major
contributing factor to the success of the terrorist's operation, thus
the incompetence - and responsibility goes all the way to the top.
I heard about the first tower
There was never any question that there were at least two shooters in
the JFK assassination, and that Oswald was probably not one of them,
at lest not one who actually hit him.
Johnson pretty much ordered the Warren Commission to find that Oswald
was the only shooter and that there was no
i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to do
with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself.
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There was never any question that there were at least two shooters in
the JFK assassination, and that
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i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to
do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself.
No, I think it's reflective of your mind being poisoned by the virulent
Bush-haters of the left.
Craig
i am a lifelong republican, but this guy seems absolutely capable of
anything. an absolutely amoral maniac who has hoodwinked america's
christians into putting him into power. if anyone has poisoned my mind,
it's been dubya and his crew.
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i am a lifelong republican, but this guy seems absolutely capable of
anything. an absolutely amoral maniac who has hoodwinked america's
christians into putting him into power. if anyone has poisoned my mind,
it's been dubya and his crew
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i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have something to
do with 9/11 is pretty damning
dislike
his administration I won't put that one on him.
BillR
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You wrote it is easier
: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB]
i am a lifelong republican, but this guy seems absolutely capable of
anything. an absolutely amoral maniac who has hoodwinked america's
christians into putting him into power. if anyone has poisoned my mind,
it's been dubya and his crew.
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You wrote it is easier to accept that the
president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent
The idea there was any
, 2008 9:51 PM
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would you put it past him? why wouldn't the group that manufactured iraq
also be capable of producing wtc?
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What he said. I'm pleased
on 6/29/08 18:59, Alex Chamberlain at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being
equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your
definition of simplest? For me it is easier to accept that the
president and much of the federal
for
some individual's hyper-focus on it.
BillR
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would you put it past him? why
It's reflective of the man's character.
Peter
On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:40:56 -0400 Gary Hurst
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i think the fact that we wouldn't put it past him to have
something to
do with 9/11 is pretty damning in itself.
The combustion of 40,000 gallons of aviation fuel, along with the
design of the building and the impact damage did them in. In fact,
the buildings preformed quite well, considering they were designed to
withstand the impact of a fully loaded 707, a much smaller plane.
Should have ben
Can't argue with that one at all. I expect to be lied to.
BillR
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i guess after
Isn't there a saying about being judged by the people you choose to surround
yourself with?
Cheney
Rove
Wolfowitz
Perle
Bolton
And a small army of neo-con think-tank policy wonks.
Mac
on 6/29/08 22:56, Peter Frederick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's reflective of the man's character.
on 6/29/08 23:13, Peter Frederick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The combustion of 40,000 gallons of aviation fuel, along with the
design of the building and the impact damage did them in.
I said WTC SEVEN.
It was not hit by ANYTHING.
Mac
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On Jun 29, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Steve MacSween wrote:
Isn't there a saying about being judged by the people you choose to
surround
yourself with?
Cheney
Rove
Wolfowitz
Perle
Bolton
Sorry, missed that.
Seven? I would suspect it was filled with asbestos and concrete
dust, had the windows blown in, the air conditions smashed, and was
generally battered around enough that it would be cheaper to replace
than refurbish. Most of the buildings in the immediate vicinity
Which explains why it collapsed on September 11?
Mac
on 6/29/08 23:25, Peter Frederick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, missed that.
Seven? I would suspect it was filled with asbestos and concrete
dust, had the windows blown in, the air conditions smashed, and was
generally battered
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