Re: [MBZ] Airline disaster

[G Mann via Mercedes]

My memory tells me the trigger on the radio bomb on the Lockerby flight was
one that worked on air pressure change.  Parts of the bomb were found by
investigation team and it was reconstructed to determine how it worked, as
I recall.

Due to weather on that day, the flight was given a different climb profile
and detonation was triggered over land... cargo holds are not pressurized
like cabin is.

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:41 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The aircraft was destroyed by a bomb in a radio.  The bomb was built my
> Moomar Kaddafy's people.  It was in the luggage hold in a bag.  It went off
> early due I think to some schedule delay for the flight, so that it
> exploded over land not over open ocean. Within the last year or two was a
> show on PBS, Frontline maybe, about tracking down the guys responsible for
> organizing the whole thing.  I think the main  investigator was a man whose
> sister? was killed on the plane.  He spent a lot of time on the ground in
> Libya tracking down these guys.  One of them, who was caught, was released
> on "compassion" grounds because he supposedly had cancer.  Years later he
> was still doing quite well.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 10/10/17 10:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I just watched a superb Smithsonian Channel program on the Lockerbie crash
>> of Pan Am flight 103. I had mistakenly thought the plane was brought down
>> by a bomb that a girl had transported on board that was given to her by an
>> acquaintance. That was not the case, however. Does anyone remember the
>> situation I am thinking of? A girl as a favor took I believe a transistor
>> radio or some other electronic equipment from a middle eastern friend to
>> deliver to someone in the states. Then it blew up in the air. I tried
>> Googling it but no luck.
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Re: [MBZ] Airline disaster

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

A Bombeat radio cassette player with Semtex in it?

That has to qualify as the most extreme pun ever concocted. 
Who says terrorists don't have a (warped) sense of humor?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Airline disaster

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

But I was thinking there was a second airline disaster involving
a terrorist bomb that was conveyed to a girl friend to carry on board.

The Pan Am 103 bomb was in unaccompanied luggage dropped off in Germany.
There was no personal connection, according to the program.

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Art via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Andrew,
> You were not mistaken; that’s what happened. I don’t know what this
> Smithsonian Channel program claimed, but the facts are that after an
> extensive reconstruction and analysis of the bits and pieces of the jet it
> was proven that the explosion of a semtex bomb hidden in a Toshiba Bombeat
> SF-16 radio cassette player inside a Samsonite suitcase was the cause of
> the accident. They even found and identified pieces of the electronic
> timer. The flight was delayed so the bomb went off over land instead of
> over the water as the bombers had planned. Two Libyans were finally handed
> over to Scotland for prosecution by Muammar Gaddafi <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi> after extensive pressure
> from the UN.  One was convicted and sentenced to life. He was released due
> to terminal cancer and died a few years later.
> Regards,
> Addison
>
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2017, Andrew wrote:
>
> I just watched a superb Smithsonian Channel program on the Lockerbie crash
> of Pan Am flight 103. I had mistakenly thought the plane was brought down
> by a bomb that a girl had transported on board that was given to her by an
> acquaintance. That was not the case, however. Does anyone remember the
> situation I am thinking of? A girl as a favor took I believe a transistor
> radio or some other electronic equipment from a middle eastern friend to
> deliver to someone in the states. Then it blew up in the air. I tried
> Googling it but no luck.
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Re: [MBZ] Airline disaster

[Art via Mercedes]

Andrew,
You were not mistaken; that’s what happened. I don’t know what this Smithsonian 
Channel program claimed, but the facts are that after an extensive 
reconstruction and analysis of the bits and pieces of the jet it was proven 
that the explosion of a semtex bomb hidden in a Toshiba Bombeat SF-16 radio 
cassette player inside a Samsonite suitcase was the cause of the accident. They 
even found and identified pieces of the electronic timer. The flight was 
delayed so the bomb went off over land instead of over the water as the bombers 
had planned. Two Libyans were finally handed over to Scotland for prosecution 
by Muammar Gaddafi  after 
extensive pressure from the UN.  One was convicted and sentenced to life. He 
was released due to terminal cancer and died a few years later.
Regards,
Addison



On Oct 11, 2017, Andrew wrote:

I just watched a superb Smithsonian Channel program on the Lockerbie crash
of Pan Am flight 103. I had mistakenly thought the plane was brought down
by a bomb that a girl had transported on board that was given to her by an
acquaintance. That was not the case, however. Does anyone remember the
situation I am thinking of? A girl as a favor took I believe a transistor
radio or some other electronic equipment from a middle eastern friend to
deliver to someone in the states. Then it blew up in the air. I tried
Googling it but no luck.
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Re: [MBZ] Airline disaster

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

The aircraft was destroyed by a bomb in a radio.  The bomb was built my 
Moomar Kaddafy's people.  It was in the luggage hold in a bag.  It went 
off early due I think to some schedule delay for the flight, so that it 
exploded over land not over open ocean. Within the last year or two was 
a show on PBS, Frontline maybe, about tracking down the guys responsible 
for organizing the whole thing.  I think the main  investigator was a 
man whose sister? was killed on the plane.  He spent a lot of time on 
the ground in Libya tracking down these guys.  One of them, who was 
caught, was released on "compassion" grounds because he supposedly had 
cancer.  Years later he was still doing quite well.


--R


On 10/10/17 10:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I just watched a superb Smithsonian Channel program on the Lockerbie crash
of Pan Am flight 103. I had mistakenly thought the plane was brought down
by a bomb that a girl had transported on board that was given to her by an
acquaintance. That was not the case, however. Does anyone remember the
situation I am thinking of? A girl as a favor took I believe a transistor
radio or some other electronic equipment from a middle eastern friend to
deliver to someone in the states. Then it blew up in the air. I tried
Googling it but no luck.
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Re: [MBZ] Airline disaster

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 10, 2017 at 10:10 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I just watched a superb Smithsonian Channel program on the Lockerbie crash
> of Pan Am flight 103. I had mistakenly thought the plane was brought down
> by a bomb that a girl had transported on board that was given to her by an
> acquaintance. That was not the case, however.

I was thinking 'Isn't 103 the one with the widespread acceptance of missile 
conspiracy theories?
So I looked it up.

This 383 page report rules out the 'we saw it shot down by a missile' claims:
http://ntsb.org/Wiringcargodoor/home_files/SmithAAR103fffallpartapA-N_1.pdf

The AAIB report concludes that the detonation of an improvised explosive device 
led directly to the destruction of the aircraft with the loss of all 259 
persons on board and 11 of the residents of the town  of  Lockerbie.  Five  
recommendations  are  made  of  which  four  concern  flight  recorders,  
including  the  funding  of  a  study  to  devise  methods  of  recording  
violent  positive  and  negative  pressure pulses associated with explosions. 

This Smith Pan Am Flight 103 AAR concludes that there are four reasonable 
alternatives to the bomb explanation based on the subsequent similar accidents 
of United Airlines Flight 811 and Trans World Airlines Flight 800. Of the four 
reasonable alternatives, two can be ruled out with confidence: Missile strike 
and center fuel tank explosion; and two ruled in: Firing of a rather large 
shotgun  and  the  shorted  wiring/forward  cargo  door  rupture/explosive  
decompression/inflight breakup explanation which closely matches the probable 
cause of the United Airlines Flight 811 accident.  Since  the  discovered  
hazards  of  faulty  wiring  or  switch  and  nonplug  cargo  doors currently 
exist in the five hundred early model Boeing 747s in service, further official 
investigation is warranted and urgently needed.

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[MBZ] Airline disaster

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I just watched a superb Smithsonian Channel program on the Lockerbie crash
of Pan Am flight 103. I had mistakenly thought the plane was brought down
by a bomb that a girl had transported on board that was given to her by an
acquaintance. That was not the case, however. Does anyone remember the
situation I am thinking of? A girl as a favor took I believe a transistor
radio or some other electronic equipment from a middle eastern friend to
deliver to someone in the states. Then it blew up in the air. I tried
Googling it but no luck.
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