Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-23 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes 
Scott wrote:
> History will probably record our time as the era of the big lie.

History is the big lie.
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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-23 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
Thanks for that feedback, I read the tech piece some years ago, interesting
to learn there is still interest in developing the resource.
Huge potential energy resource, just no current way to exploit it.


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On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 12:27 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
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> That is correct.  SWMBA has a few clients who are interested in mining the
> hydrates in the arctic.  Trouble is that there is no way to get the stuff
> to market in the great white north.
>
> Where it has been snowing the past five days.
>
> This place is evil.
>
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> clay monroe
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> > On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Some time ago, I recall reading about HUGE reserves of frozen Methane,
> > located in deep ocean. If I recall correctly, the article quoted
> something
> > like 3,000 years worth of energy if it was harvested and used, from
> extreme
> > depth... which presented impossible tech issues.
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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-23 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes 
That is correct.  SWMBA has a few clients who are interested in mining the 
hydrates in the arctic.  Trouble is that there is no way to get the stuff to 
market in the great white north.  

Where it has been snowing the past five days.  

This place is evil.


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> On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Some time ago, I recall reading about HUGE reserves of frozen Methane,
> located in deep ocean. If I recall correctly, the article quoted something
> like 3,000 years worth of energy if it was harvested and used, from extreme
> depth... which presented impossible tech issues.

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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/should-the-world-tap-undersea-methane-hydrates-for-energy/

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 00:46 G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Some time ago, I recall reading about HUGE reserves of frozen Methane,
> located in deep ocean. If I recall correctly, the article quoted something
> like 3,000 years worth of energy if it was harvested and used, from extreme
> depth... which presented impossible tech issues.
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> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 4:43 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  At some point isn't it a problem that we've limited the places plants
> can
> > grow? We've got an awful lot of this world covered with roads and
> buildings
> > and such that don't grow plants.
> > While plants love CO2 once the concentration rises sufficiently we sure
> > don't...
> > -C
> >
> > On Monday, April 22, 2019, 3:44:52 PM EDT, Curley McLain via
> Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >  The CO2 part is farcical anyway.   Plants NEED co2.   More co2 = more
> > plant growth.  More plant growth = less co2.   It is a self stabilizing
> > system.
> >
> > if the yourpeens want mo' clean, they should import liquid CNG from the
> > US of A.  It burns cleaner than Benzin or Diesel fool.
> >
> >
> > OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 4/22/19 2:23 PM:
> > > Good article - since it agrees with what most of us believe is the case
> > :)
> > > However, this part still bothers me - "methane-powered gasoline engines
> > or
> > > hydrogen motors could cut CO2 emissions by a third and possibly
> eliminate
> > > the need for diesel motors." How can you burn methane with air and not
> > > produce CO2?
> > > CH + O2 = CO2 + H2O - am I right?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Craig via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:57:06 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> > >>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> And for what it's worth the article linked in the article I posted
> has
> > >>> Mercedes content...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> http://brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones,-german-study-shows
> > >>> "When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180
> > >>> grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel
> > >>> vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example."
> > >> Actually, your original article said a similar thing below its third
> > >> picture:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation
> > >>classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call
> > >>it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3,
> > >>with all the factors, included, produce more emissions
> > >>than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
Some time ago, I recall reading about HUGE reserves of frozen Methane,
located in deep ocean. If I recall correctly, the article quoted something
like 3,000 years worth of energy if it was harvested and used, from extreme
depth... which presented impossible tech issues.


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On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 4:43 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>  At some point isn't it a problem that we've limited the places plants can
> grow? We've got an awful lot of this world covered with roads and buildings
> and such that don't grow plants.
> While plants love CO2 once the concentration rises sufficiently we sure
> don't...
> -C
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2019, 3:44:52 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  The CO2 part is farcical anyway.   Plants NEED co2.   More co2 = more
> plant growth.  More plant growth = less co2.   It is a self stabilizing
> system.
>
> if the yourpeens want mo' clean, they should import liquid CNG from the
> US of A.  It burns cleaner than Benzin or Diesel fool.
>
>
> OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 4/22/19 2:23 PM:
> > Good article - since it agrees with what most of us believe is the case
> :)
> > However, this part still bothers me - "methane-powered gasoline engines
> or
> > hydrogen motors could cut CO2 emissions by a third and possibly eliminate
> > the need for diesel motors." How can you burn methane with air and not
> > produce CO2?
> > CH + O2 = CO2 + H2O - am I right?
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:57:06 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> And for what it's worth the article linked in the article I posted has
> >>> Mercedes content...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones,-german-study-shows
> >>> "When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180
> >>> grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel
> >>> vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example."
> >> Actually, your original article said a similar thing below its third
> >> picture:
> >>
> >>
> >>German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation
> >>classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call
> >>it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3,
> >>with all the factors, included, produce more emissions
> >>than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 
in fact, the indigenous peeps would burn the prairie, if lightning 
didn't do it for them. Established oak trees and longleaf pines could 
survive the inferno if the fires occurred regularly.  it is the 
ecosystem of the prairie.   The fires keep trees from growing.


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 4/22/19 10:30 PM:

There are more trees now in the US than when the yurpeens arrived. The 
pre-invader indigenos did not practice the same sort of arboriculture 
conservation practices as is now done.

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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
There are more trees now in the US than when the yurpeens arrived. The 
pre-invader indigenos did not practice the same sort of arboriculture 
conservation practices as is now done. 

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> On Apr 22, 2019, at 7:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm sure you're right - de-forestation world-wide, and all those sterile
> green lawns that are killing pollinators (no more plants without
> pollinating insects), etc. At least our runway is grass ---
> 
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 6:43 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> At some point isn't it a problem that we've limited the places plants can
>> grow? We've got an awful lot of this world covered with roads and buildings
>> and such that don't grow plants.
>> While plants love CO2 once the concentration rises sufficiently we sure
>> don't...
>> -C
>> 
>>On Monday, April 22, 2019, 3:44:52 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The CO2 part is farcical anyway.   Plants NEED co2.   More co2 = more
>> plant growth.  More plant growth = less co2.   It is a self stabilizing
>> system.
>> 
>> if the yourpeens want mo' clean, they should import liquid CNG from the
>> US of A.  It burns cleaner than Benzin or Diesel fool.
>> 
>> 
>> OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 4/22/19 2:23 PM:
>>> Good article - since it agrees with what most of us believe is the case
>> :)
>>> However, this part still bothers me - "methane-powered gasoline engines
>> or
>>> hydrogen motors could cut CO2 emissions by a third and possibly eliminate
>>> the need for diesel motors." How can you burn methane with air and not
>>> produce CO2?
>>> CH + O2 = CO2 + H2O - am I right?
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Craig via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:57:06 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
> And for what it's worth the article linked in the article I posted has
> Mercedes content...
> 
> 
 
>> http://brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones,-german-study-shows
> "When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180
> grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel
> vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example."
 Actually, your original article said a similar thing below its third
 picture:
 
 
   German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation
   classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call
   it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3,
   with all the factors, included, produce more emissions
   than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread Craig via Mercedes 
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 23:42:23 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> While plants love CO2 once the concentration rises sufficiently we sure
> don't... -C

We can, however, easily handle a concentration of CO2 much higher than
you might think.

>From https://www.nap.edu/read/11170/chapter/5#47 :

Submarine crew are reported to be the major source of CO2 on board
submarines (Crawl 2003). Data collected on nine nuclear-powered
ballistic missile submarines indicate an average CO2 concentration
of 3,500 ppm with a range of 0-10,600 ppm, and data collected on 10
nuclear-powered attack submarines indicate an average CO2
concentration of 4,100 ppm with a range of 300-11,300 ppm (Hagar
2003).


... Thus, the bulk of the data indicate a no-observed-adverse-effect
level (NOAEL) for CO2 of about 28,000 ppm on the basis of the findings
on dyspnea [shortness of breath] and intercostal [between the ribs]
pain.


TABLE 3-3 Emergency and Continuous Exposure
  Guidance Levels for Carbon Dioxide

Exposure Level  U.S. Navy Values   NRC Recommended Values
  (ppm)(ppm)
Current  Proposed
EEGL 
1 h 40,00030,000  25,000
   24 h 40,00015,000  25,000

CEGL
  90 days5,000 7,000   8,000

Abbreviations: CEGL, continuous exposure guidance level;
   EEGL, emergency exposure guidance level;
  h, hour;
NRC, National Research Council;
ppm, parts per million.


So we have a long ways to go before we get to these levels.

The recent greening of our planet can be attributed to higher CO2 levels.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
I'm sure you're right - de-forestation world-wide, and all those sterile
green lawns that are killing pollinators (no more plants without
pollinating insects), etc. At least our runway is grass ---

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 6:43 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  At some point isn't it a problem that we've limited the places plants can
> grow? We've got an awful lot of this world covered with roads and buildings
> and such that don't grow plants.
> While plants love CO2 once the concentration rises sufficiently we sure
> don't...
> -C
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2019, 3:44:52 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  The CO2 part is farcical anyway.   Plants NEED co2.   More co2 = more
> plant growth.  More plant growth = less co2.   It is a self stabilizing
> system.
>
> if the yourpeens want mo' clean, they should import liquid CNG from the
> US of A.  It burns cleaner than Benzin or Diesel fool.
>
>
> OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 4/22/19 2:23 PM:
> > Good article - since it agrees with what most of us believe is the case
> :)
> > However, this part still bothers me - "methane-powered gasoline engines
> or
> > hydrogen motors could cut CO2 emissions by a third and possibly eliminate
> > the need for diesel motors." How can you burn methane with air and not
> > produce CO2?
> > CH + O2 = CO2 + H2O - am I right?
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:57:06 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> And for what it's worth the article linked in the article I posted has
> >>> Mercedes content...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones,-german-study-shows
> >>> "When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180
> >>> grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel
> >>> vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example."
> >> Actually, your original article said a similar thing below its third
> >> picture:
> >>
> >>
> >>German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation
> >>classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call
> >>it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3,
> >>with all the factors, included, produce more emissions
> >>than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 At some point isn't it a problem that we've limited the places plants can 
grow? We've got an awful lot of this world covered with roads and buildings and 
such that don't grow plants.
While plants love CO2 once the concentration rises sufficiently we sure don't...
-C

On Monday, April 22, 2019, 3:44:52 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The CO2 part is farcical anyway.   Plants NEED co2.   More co2 = more 
plant growth.  More plant growth = less co2.   It is a self stabilizing 
system.

if the yourpeens want mo' clean, they should import liquid CNG from the 
US of A.  It burns cleaner than Benzin or Diesel fool.


OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 4/22/19 2:23 PM:
> Good article - since it agrees with what most of us believe is the case :)
> However, this part still bothers me - "methane-powered gasoline engines or
> hydrogen motors could cut CO2 emissions by a third and possibly eliminate
> the need for diesel motors." How can you burn methane with air and not
> produce CO2?
> CH + O2 = CO2 + H2O - am I right?
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:57:06 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> And for what it's worth the article linked in the article I posted has
>>> Mercedes content...
>>>
>>>
>> http://brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones,-german-study-shows
>>> "When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180
>>> grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel
>>> vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example."
>> Actually, your original article said a similar thing below its third
>> picture:
>>
>>
>>        German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation
>>        classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call
>>        it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3,
>>        with all the factors, included, produce more emissions
>>        than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
History will probably record our time as the era of the big lie.

> -Original Message-
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> On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:18:24 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
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> 
> > https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-21/new-study-shocks-electric-ca
> > rs-considerably-worse-climate-diesel-cars
> 
> The last sentence of the article is interesting:
> 
>   So maybe Elon Musk's plan to save the world with
>   electric cars is the biggest scam of our lifetime...
> 
> That, however, is not the biggest scam of our lifetime; the
> anthropogenic global warming/climate change hysteria and the push for
> government control of everything is.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
yabbut...it's CH4, not CH; so there is a lot more H2O produced than CO2, and 
more energy comes from the H than the C. It produces CO2, but less of it than 
from liquid fossil fuels.

Greg

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Good article - since it agrees with what most of us believe is the case :)
However, this part still bothers me - "methane-powered gasoline engines or
hydrogen motors could cut CO2 emissions by a third and possibly eliminate
the need for diesel motors." How can you burn methane with air and not
produce CO2?
CH + O2 = CO2 + H2O - am I right?

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:57:06 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > And for what it's worth the article linked in the article I posted has
> > Mercedes content...
> >
> >
> http://brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones,-german-study-shows
> >
> > "When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180
> > grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel
> > vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example."
>
> Actually, your original article said a similar thing below its third
> picture:
>
>
>   German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation
>   classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call
>   it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3,
>   with all the factors, included, produce more emissions
>   than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 
The CO2 part is farcical anyway.   Plants NEED co2.   More co2 = more 
plant growth.  More plant growth = less co2.   It is a self stabilizing 
system.


if the yourpeens want mo' clean, they should import liquid CNG from the 
US of A.  It burns cleaner than Benzin or Diesel fool.



OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 4/22/19 2:23 PM:

Good article - since it agrees with what most of us believe is the case :)
However, this part still bothers me - "methane-powered gasoline engines or
hydrogen motors could cut CO2 emissions by a third and possibly eliminate
the need for diesel motors." How can you burn methane with air and not
produce CO2?
CH + O2 = CO2 + H2O - am I right?

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:


On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:57:06 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:


And for what it's worth the article linked in the article I posted has
Mercedes content...



http://brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones,-german-study-shows

"When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180
grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel
vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example."

Actually, your original article said a similar thing below its third
picture:


   German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation
   classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call
   it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3,
   with all the factors, included, produce more emissions
   than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
Good article - since it agrees with what most of us believe is the case :)
However, this part still bothers me - "methane-powered gasoline engines or
hydrogen motors could cut CO2 emissions by a third and possibly eliminate
the need for diesel motors." How can you burn methane with air and not
produce CO2?
CH + O2 = CO2 + H2O - am I right?

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 2:16 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:57:06 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > And for what it's worth the article linked in the article I posted has
> > Mercedes content...
> >
> >
> http://brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones,-german-study-shows
> >
> > "When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180
> > grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel
> > vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example."
>
> Actually, your original article said a similar thing below its third
> picture:
>
>
>   German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation
>   classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call
>   it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3,
>   with all the factors, included, produce more emissions
>   than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.
>
>
> Craig
>
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread Craig via Mercedes 
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:57:06 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> And for what it's worth the article linked in the article I posted has
> Mercedes content...
> 
> http://brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones,-german-study-shows
> 
> "When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180
> grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel
> vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example."

Actually, your original article said a similar thing below its third
picture:


  German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation
  classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call
  it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3,
  with all the factors, included, produce more emissions
  than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
And for what it's worth the article linked in the article I posted has Mercedes 
content...

http://brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-more-co2-than-diesel-ones,-german-study-shows

"When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180 grams of 
CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel vehicle produced by 
the German company Mercedes, for example."

Rick

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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 
Correct!     elton stink is only the greatest individual scammer.   He 
has scammed billions of $$ from the taxpayers.


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 4/22/19 12:03 PM:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:18:24 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-21/new-study-shocks-electric-cars-considerably-worse-climate-diesel-cars

The last sentence of the article is interesting:

   So maybe Elon Musk's plan to save the world with
   electric cars is the biggest scam of our lifetime...

That, however, is not the biggest scam of our lifetime; the anthropogenic
global warming/climate change hysteria and the push for government control
of everything is.


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread Craig via Mercedes 
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:18:24 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-21/new-study-shocks-electric-cars-considerably-worse-climate-diesel-cars

The last sentence of the article is interesting:

  So maybe Elon Musk's plan to save the world with
  electric cars is the biggest scam of our lifetime...

That, however, is not the biggest scam of our lifetime; the anthropogenic
global warming/climate change hysteria and the push for government control
of everything is.


Craig

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[MBZ] An Article For Earth Day

2019-04-22 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-21/new-study-shocks-electric-cars-considerably-worse-climate-diesel-cars

Rick
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