[MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

2013-07-05 Thread Dan Penoff
Some guy over at BenzWorld is claiming that the E class started way back with Pontons. I go and look it up, and there are articles talking about the same. Since when was the E class the son of Pontons? Befuddled Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

2013-07-05 Thread Alex Chamberlain
-- On Jul 5, 2013 4:32 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Some guy over at BenzWorld is claiming that the E class started way back with Pontons. I go and look it up, and there are articles talking about the same. Since when was the E class the son of Pontons? Oceania has always been

Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

2013-07-05 Thread Peter Frederick
Some teenager making up history again. Benz model designations and badges were, and usually still are, the engine displacement/equipment and body type -- for instance, 220D indicated a 2.2L diesel engine, 280SE 4.5 indicated a 2.8L engine (as original design) in a heavy body equipped with

Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

2013-07-05 Thread Dan Penoff
Apparently there is a display of the E class cars at the factory that shows this progression. ?? Sent from my iPad On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Some teenager making up history again. Benz model designations and badges were, and usually still

Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

2013-07-05 Thread Dan Penoff
This article was also quoted: http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz/e-class/history.html Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Apparently there is a display of the E class cars at the factory that shows this progression. ?? Sent from my

Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

2013-07-05 Thread Peter Frederick
Nothing remarkable about making a mid-sized car, everyone did it starting in the early 50's. Some marketing teenager making up history after the fact -- Benz has made mid-sized cars since the Ponton, sure, but there isn't much difference in design between the mid-sized and large (or small)

Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

2013-07-05 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Benz used this designation system along with chassis design numbers from the origin of the company I think until the 2000s, when some genius decided people were too stupid to tell what the S was for (or SL) and started

Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

2013-07-05 Thread Jim Cathey
Until the teenagers took over the marketing dep't you had to _know_ the model line to know what was what. Not exactly an onerous task, but there you go. Good thing they fixed that for us. Prior to the introduction of that wretched 'class' system, that came in with price-point design, they only

Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

2013-07-05 Thread Fmiser
Dan wrote: Apparently there is a display of the E class cars at the factory that shows this progression. Is this the same factory that screwed up the labels and designation? So why would you trust the signs at the factory museum? -- Philip ___

Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

2013-07-05 Thread Chris James
Midsize models can be traced farther back, but I think it would be fair to say the Pontons (like that of the W110 W111/W112 Fintail sedans), were forerunners of both the current E S Class. On 7/5/2013 7:32 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Some guy over at BenzWorld is claiming that the E class started

Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?

2013-07-05 Thread Rich Thomas
Could be both --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless? Clueless

2013-07-05 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Not so, 93/94 marked the end of carburetted Merc engines. Hence no need to distinguish between injected and non injected. Far as lineage goes, it does not entirely matter but the S class started in the pontoon as well, with the super roundies. You could also argue that the smaller engined ones