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[MBZ] Another oil thread

2022-07-01 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes

Might have something to do with prices I found on normally cheap grade 
fluids after Curt's tractor transmission thread.


My local oil expert says:

Motiva and Chevron being down at the same time will turn the group 2 
market on its head.


But most places are stocking up from what I can tell.

However it’s going to make group 3 products a bargain.

Group 2 products are your “conventional” products. Hydraulic oils, gear 
oils, non full synthetic motor oils.


Group 3s are considered full synthetics in the US.

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2018-01-02 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

Most of the olive oil is cut with cheaper stuff. And not suitable for high
temps.

Couple of interesting links, one with a book reference by the guy who wrote
the original article in 2007:

https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/olive-oils-dark-side

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/08/13/slippery-business

Reminds me of my no undergrad days doing Mass spectrometry work on soil
vegetation samples. One of the subcontractors we interacted with in Boston
was a private shop doing isotope analysis for the orange juice industry.
The orange growers association was having a problem with fake orange juice
from concentrate being passed off as fresh-squeezed. Unfortunately for the
criminals, the oxygen Isotopes in fresh-squeezed were different from the
oxygen isotope ratios in the water that was being used to reconstitute the
concentrate. It was therefore easy to tell the difference. Further, the
mass spectrometry analysis company was doing work for both the orange
growers and the criminals, such that they were able to observe the
criminals adding the correct ratios of oxygen Isotopes to the reconstituted
fake orange juice so that it would be indistinguishable on testing.

When there is enough money at stake, criminals can get pretty fancy.

K


On Dec 31, 2017 6:32 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Wife came home with a bottle of 65%avocado and 35%olive oil yesterday. We
> tried it today for mushrooms to accompany the steak, and I couldn't tell
> the difference between it and the 50/50 butter/olive oil she usually does.
> It was on sale for just a little more than the usual olive oil.
>
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Or avocado oil - available at Costco.  I think I paid $7 or 8 for a liter
> > when it first arrived.  Odorless, tasteless and suitable for very high
> > temperature cooking.  Here's a handy how-to video.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsVo-qNHCXM
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It is not for you!  It is animal fat based gun grease made for food
> > plants
> > > to grease machinery, bearings, etc.  It is not intended to be food,
> just
> > > intended to not be harmful in the event that some gets into your food.
> > >
> > > For greasing your skillet/griddle use butter, coconut oil, grapeseed
> oil
> > > or olive oil
> > >
> > > For your 110/111's 15 grease zerks, use Molykote BR2!
> > >
> > > Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > >> December 31, 2017 at 8:26 AM
> > >> Why do I have an aversion to the idea of getting “food grade grease”
> > from
> > >> Amsoil?
> > >>
> > >> -D looking for alternatives to greasing his food
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-31 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Wife came home with a bottle of 65%avocado and 35%olive oil yesterday. We
tried it today for mushrooms to accompany the steak, and I couldn't tell
the difference between it and the 50/50 butter/olive oil she usually does.
It was on sale for just a little more than the usual olive oil.

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Or avocado oil - available at Costco.  I think I paid $7 or 8 for a liter
> when it first arrived.  Odorless, tasteless and suitable for very high
> temperature cooking.  Here's a handy how-to video.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsVo-qNHCXM
>
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > It is not for you!  It is animal fat based gun grease made for food
> plants
> > to grease machinery, bearings, etc.  It is not intended to be food, just
> > intended to not be harmful in the event that some gets into your food.
> >
> > For greasing your skillet/griddle use butter, coconut oil, grapeseed oil
> > or olive oil
> >
> > For your 110/111's 15 grease zerks, use Molykote BR2!
> >
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >> December 31, 2017 at 8:26 AM
> >> Why do I have an aversion to the idea of getting “food grade grease”
> from
> >> Amsoil?
> >>
> >> -D looking for alternatives to greasing his food
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Or avocado oil - available at Costco.  I think I paid $7 or 8 for a liter
when it first arrived.  Odorless, tasteless and suitable for very high
temperature cooking.  Here's a handy how-to video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsVo-qNHCXM

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It is not for you!  It is animal fat based gun grease made for food plants
> to grease machinery, bearings, etc.  It is not intended to be food, just
> intended to not be harmful in the event that some gets into your food.
>
> For greasing your skillet/griddle use butter, coconut oil, grapeseed oil
> or olive oil
>
> For your 110/111's 15 grease zerks, use Molykote BR2!
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> December 31, 2017 at 8:26 AM
>> Why do I have an aversion to the idea of getting “food grade grease” from
>> Amsoil?
>>
>> -D looking for alternatives to greasing his food
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-31 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

It is not for you!  It is animal fat based gun grease made for food 
plants to grease machinery, bearings, etc.  It is not intended to be 
food, just intended to not be harmful in the event that some gets into 
your food.


For greasing your skillet/griddle use butter, coconut oil, grapeseed oil 
or olive oil


For your 110/111's 15 grease zerks, use Molykote BR2!


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 31, 2017 at 8:26 AM
Why do I have an aversion to the idea of getting “food grade grease” 
from Amsoil?


-D looking for alternatives to greasing his food



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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-31 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

I know.  I was just messing with the post.

Sort of like every time I go to the airport I point out “terminal parking” to 
my kids.  “Don’t want to park there!!!”



-D


> On Dec 31, 2017, at 5:08 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Dan wrote:
> 
>> Why do I have an aversion to the idea of getting “food grade
>> grease” from Amsoil?
> 
> Food grade grease if for the machines that handle food.  If you
> have a meat band saw, do you want non-food grade grease on the
> bandwheel bearings?
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-31 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Dan wrote:

> Why do I have an aversion to the idea of getting “food grade
> grease” from Amsoil?

Food grade grease if for the machines that handle food.  If you
have a meat band saw, do you want non-food grade grease on the
bandwheel bearings?

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-31 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Why do I have an aversion to the idea of getting “food grade grease” from 
Amsoil?

-D looking for alternatives to greasing his food


> On Dec 30, 2017, at 9:01 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I received a "Factory Direct" Amsoil catalog in the mail today - they do
> claim their oil is 100% synthetic. They also have other interesting oils
> like gun oil, "food grade grease", synthetic chain saw chain oil, brake
> fluids, etc. Everything except aviation oil :-(

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-31 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


> On December 30, 2017 at 8:13 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> IIRC, Amsoil is the only one that makes a pure synthetic oil since the
> lawsuit that Mobil lost when claiming that the blended oil could not be
> labeled synthetic. Economics then dictated that everyone make the cheapest
> oil possible and call it synthetic. Thus, 100% synthetic is all but gone,
> hence the concern for the dino oil component reacting with water . . .

And now you have several grades of M1, ranging from $20 a jug to $40 a jug...
But Castrol really had it made 25 years ago, with Syntec (blended/hydrocracked) 
selling in most stores for a dollar a quart more than Mobil One, when Mobil One 
was still fully synthetic.

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-30 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

I received a "Factory Direct" Amsoil catalog in the mail today - they do
claim their oil is 100% synthetic. They also have other interesting oils
like gun oil, "food grade grease", synthetic chain saw chain oil, brake
fluids, etc. Everything except aviation oil :-(

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 7:13 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> IIRC, Amsoil is the only one that makes a pure synthetic oil since the
> lawsuit that Mobil lost when claiming that the blended oil could not be
> labeled synthetic. Economics then dictated that everyone make the cheapest
> oil possible and call it synthetic. Thus, 100% synthetic is all but gone,
> hence the concern for the dino oil component reacting with water . . .
>
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> In the interest of ramping up a good "oil thread", I'll posit the
>> following.
>>
>> My current information re synthetic oils is that it is not hydroscopic,
>> and
>> has no materials contained within it that reacts with water, thus remains
>> un-contaminated longer. Also, because of being a "manufactured compound"
>> it
>> doesn't react with carbon and fuel oil by products generated by
>> combustion...
>>
>> Dino Oil, on the other han*d, is reactive *with water and fuel oil by
>> products* and forms sulfates, etc. which cause wear and damage, erosion*,
>> etc.
>>
>> *A*ny chemistry *brains here to flesh *that out... ?
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > > On December 30, 2017 at 3:24 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > The thought is that oil develops acids from interaction with moisture
>> > while
>> > > just sitting there due to temp/humidity changes. Change the oil per
>> the
>> > > calendar just to keep corrosion down.
>> >
>> > If you're going to throw out low mile oil to get rid of the
>> contaminants,
>> > it may as well be cheap low mile oil.
>> >
>> > Mitch.
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> fence for themselves."
>
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>



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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-30 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

IIRC, Amsoil is the only one that makes a pure synthetic oil since the
lawsuit that Mobil lost when claiming that the blended oil could not be
labeled synthetic. Economics then dictated that everyone make the cheapest
oil possible and call it synthetic. Thus, 100% synthetic is all but gone,
hence the concern for the dino oil component reacting with water . . .

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> In the interest of ramping up a good "oil thread", I'll posit the
> following.
>
> My current information re synthetic oils is that it is not hydroscopic, and
> has no materials contained within it that reacts with water, thus remains
> un-contaminated longer. Also, because of being a "manufactured compound" it
> doesn't react with carbon and fuel oil by products generated by
> combustion...
>
> Dino Oil, on the other han*d, is reactive *with water and fuel oil by
> products* and forms sulfates, etc. which cause wear and damage, erosion*,
> etc.
>
> *A*ny chemistry *brains here to flesh *that out... ?
>
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > On December 30, 2017 at 3:24 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The thought is that oil develops acids from interaction with moisture
> > while
> > > just sitting there due to temp/humidity changes. Change the oil per the
> > > calendar just to keep corrosion down.
> >
> > If you're going to throw out low mile oil to get rid of the contaminants,
> > it may as well be cheap low mile oil.
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-30 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Kinda analogous to food.  If it won't go bad, it shouldn't be eaten.  
Like margarine and other hydrogenated oils.   Only in the case of motor 
oil, the stuff that won't spoil is better than organic...



G Mann via Mercedes 
December 30, 2017 at 5:11 PM
In the interest of ramping up a good "oil thread", I'll posit the 
following.


My current information re synthetic oils is that it is not 
hydroscopic, and

has no materials contained within it that reacts with water, thus remains
un-contaminated longer. Also, because of being a "manufactured 
compound" it

doesn't react with carbon and fuel oil by products generated by
combustion...

Dino Oil, on the other han*d, is reactive *with water and fuel oil by
products* and forms sulfates, etc. which cause wear and damage, erosion*,
etc.

*A*ny chemistry *brains here to flesh *that out... ?



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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-30 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

In the interest of ramping up a good "oil thread", I'll posit the following.

My current information re synthetic oils is that it is not hydroscopic, and
has no materials contained within it that reacts with water, thus remains
un-contaminated longer. Also, because of being a "manufactured compound" it
doesn't react with carbon and fuel oil by products generated by
combustion...

Dino Oil, on the other han*d, is reactive *with water and fuel oil by
products* and forms sulfates, etc. which cause wear and damage, erosion*,
etc.

*A*ny chemistry *brains here to flesh *that out... ?

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On December 30, 2017 at 3:24 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The thought is that oil develops acids from interaction with moisture
> while
> > just sitting there due to temp/humidity changes. Change the oil per the
> > calendar just to keep corrosion down.
>
> If you're going to throw out low mile oil to get rid of the contaminants,
> it may as well be cheap low mile oil.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-30 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


> On December 30, 2017 at 3:24 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The thought is that oil develops acids from interaction with moisture while
> just sitting there due to temp/humidity changes. Change the oil per the
> calendar just to keep corrosion down. 

If you're going to throw out low mile oil to get rid of the contaminants, it 
may as well be cheap low mile oil. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-30 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

The thought is that oil develops acids from interaction with moisture while
just sitting there due to temp/humidity changes. Change the oil per the
calendar just to keep corrosion down. I do put ASL's Camguard (
https://aslcamguard.com/) in it to keep the cams from rusting - a highly
recommended procedure from the aviation community for engines flown less
than once a week.
I need to look up that report from the oil analysis guys that showed very
little difference between oils. Perhaps cheap oil and Camguard instead of
the M1 that it's been getting.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If I was changing my oil every 2500 miles in Oklahoma, I'd use
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/SuperTech-5W30-Motor-Oil-5-Quart/16474403
>
>
> If I drove a gas engine truck 2500 miles a year in Oklahoma, running it
> over a half hour every time I used it, I'd put 5w-30 or 0w-40 Mobil one in
> it, change the filter every 24 months, and change the oil every 10k mi.
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-30 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

If I was changing my oil every 2500 miles in Oklahoma, I'd use
https://www.walmart.com/ip/SuperTech-5W30-Motor-Oil-5-Quart/16474403


If I drove a gas engine truck 2500 miles a year in Oklahoma, running it over a 
half hour every time I used it, I'd put 5w-30 or 0w-40 Mobil one in it, change 
the filter every 24 months, and change the oil every 10k mi.

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-30 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Why would you want that oil for your F150?

The late Roger E. would not change his Porsche Mobil 1 oil annually, he waited 
for the mileage limit.
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300

On December 29, 2017 9:40:47 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Everything you wanted to know about the testing behind Mobil1:
>
>https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/tested-can-engine-oil-really-last-2-miles/ar-BBHs22e
>
>I need to buy this oil for the next change in theF150 - I change it
>once a
>year due to age, not miles (2500 miles per year).
>-- 
>OK Don
>
>*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
>of
>our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
>"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
>who
>learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>fence
>for themselves."
>
>WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>2013 F150, 18 mpg
>2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] Another oil thread?

2017-12-29 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Everything you wanted to know about the testing behind Mobil1:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/tested-can-engine-oil-really-last-2-miles/ar-BBHs22e

I need to buy this oil for the next change in theF150 - I change it once a
year due to age, not miles (2500 miles per year).
-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-08-09 Thread Craig

On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:53:14 -0700 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 http://www.mbca.org/sites/default/files/oils_for_classic_british_cars.pdf
 
 swiped this from MBCA.  It should provide a few hours of interesting
 discusison

It appears they swiped it from someplace else. It's authored by Michael
Grant.


Craig

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[MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-08-08 Thread clay

http://www.mbca.org/sites/default/files/oils_for_classic_british_cars.pdf

swiped this from MBCA.  It should provide a few hours of interesting discusison


clay 

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread or sorts - leaking

2013-04-15 Thread Randy Bennell



I expect you are right but he will have the oil filter up top. So, if 
the gasket was leaking the oil might leak out higher up than it would on 
my engine.
However, having read some of the other posts, I am thinking that the 
cooler hoses are the likely culprit and waiting to hear if it is true.


Randy

On 12/04/2013 7:40 PM, clay wrote:

Randy, I would be surprised if a bottom filter like that could coat the engine 
bay.  Top side oil filter would have made a very obvious mess.  Forgetting to 
put the oil cap on the valve cover really makes a huge mess of things and will 
cause long term oil seeping unless fully washed.  Oil cooler line would spray 
it back and might allow the fan to disperse it in a manner one would find hard 
to pin point.

clay

On Apr 12, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:


On 12/04/2013 11:01 AM, Tim Crone wrote:

I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that I
was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500 miles.

I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was jumping
from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire driver
side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.

I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and there
was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!) and
how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping oil, but
I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from the
breech.

I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where to
start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and see
if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?

Thanks,
Tim


That is not an oil thread. That is a leak thread.

Have to think, the easy way is to use some spray engine cleaner, hose it off 
and then put some new oil in and fire it up.
What sort of vehicle and engine are we talking about?

Might you have blown a gasket on the oil filter housing or something like that? 
Or, might something of that nature have come loose?

I had a persistant drip of oil after I changed oil a year or more back and 
thought I had not tightened the plug sufficiently. Tried tightening it twice 
before I realized it was the filter housing that needed to be tightened.
My car is a 115 so old enough not to have the oil filter that can be changed 
from up top.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread or sorts - leaking

2013-04-15 Thread Tim Crone

Yep, they are correct, the lower oil cooler line has broken.

Now I just have to find some of the proper vintage, or find out that the
new ones will fit.

Thanks!
-Tim

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

I expect you are right but he will have the oil filter up top. So, if the
gasket was leaking the oil might leak out higher up than it would on my
engine.
However, having read some of the other posts, I am thinking that the
cooler hoses are the likely culprit and waiting to hear if it is true.

Randy

On 12/04/2013 7:40 PM, clay wrote:

Randy, I would be surprised if a bottom filter like that could coat the
engine bay. Top side oil filter would have made a very obvious mess.
Forgetting to put the oil cap on the valve cover really makes a huge mess
of things and will cause long term oil seeping unless fully washed. Oil
cooler line would spray it back and might allow the fan to disperse it in a
manner one would find hard to pin point.

clay

On Apr 12, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:

On 12/04/2013 11:01 AM, Tim Crone wrote:

I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that
I
was idling at 15. That's a bit low but not crazy low. Oil is ~500
miles.

I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was
jumping
from 15-30. I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire
driver
side of the engine was covered in oil. Massive loss.

I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and there
was no way to do any good diagnosis. Got it towed home (thanks AAA!)
and
how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday. It is still dripping oil,
but
I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from
the
breech.

I'm going to have to get into it this weekend. Any suggestions where to
start, if I don't see anything obvious? Should I just dump in oil and
see
if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?

Thanks,
Tim

That is not an oil thread. That is a leak thread.

Have to think, the easy way is to use some spray engine cleaner, hose it
off and then put some new oil in and fire it up.
What sort of vehicle and engine are we talking about?

Might you have blown a gasket on the oil filter housing or something
like that? Or, might something of that nature have come loose?

I had a persistant drip of oil after I changed oil a year or more back
and thought I had not tightened the plug sufficiently. Tried tightening it
twice before I realized it was the filter housing that needed to be
tightened.
My car is a 115 so old enough not to have the oil filter that can be
changed from up top.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread or sorts - leaking

2013-04-15 Thread John Reames

Try to remove it without cutting it. Take it to a place that rebuilds hydraulic
hoses.

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On Apr 15, 2013, at 15:34, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote:

Yep, they are correct, the lower oil cooler line has broken.

Now I just have to find some of the proper vintage, or find out that the
new ones will fit.

Thanks!
-Tim

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

Randy

On 12/04/2013 7:40 PM, clay wrote:

clay

On Apr 12, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:

On 12/04/2013 11:01 AM, Tim Crone wrote:

I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that
I
was idling at 15. That's a bit low but not crazy low. Oil is ~500
miles.

I'm going to have to get into it this weekend. Any suggestions where to
start, if I don't see anything obvious? Should I just dump in oil and
see
if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?

Thanks,
Tim

That is not an oil thread. That is a leak thread.

Have to think, the easy way is to use some spray engine cleaner, hose it
off and then put some new oil in and fire it up.
What sort of vehicle and engine are we talking about?

Might you have blown a gasket on the oil filter housing or something
like that? Or, might something of that nature have come loose?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-14 Thread Tim Crone

I know it wasn't a pinhole, the oil was full and the engine bay dry when I
(and 8 cub scouts) checked it on Sunday, and there's no oil in my parking
spots at work or home.  My motor mounts are iffy so I am hoping that is it.

I will let all y'all* know when I have a diagnosis.  Can I get oil cooler
lines at flaps, or will I have to order them?

Thanks everyone!
Tim
*that is NC Appalachian for y'ouns.   And that third 'a' is short on this
side of VA, thank you very much.
On Apr 12, 2013 8:37 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 cover the delicate parts and clean the engine bay.   Brake cleaner can be
 your friend, as well as the foamy engine cleaner stuff.  Lower pressure
 (garden hose) hot water wash to remove the oil and dirt should give a much
 better view of where you have a problem.  I am going to bet it is an oil
 pressure line with a pin hole that over time was able to empty the pan
 enough for the pump to not be able to suck up enough oil.



 clay


 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







 On Apr 12, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Tim Crone wrote:

  I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that I
  was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500
 miles.
 
  I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was
 jumping
  from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire driver
  side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.
 
  I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and there
  was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!) and
  how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping oil,
 but
  I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from
 the
  breech.
 
  I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where to
  start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and
 see
  if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?
 
  Thanks,
  Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-14 Thread Tim Crone

Right, 77 300D.  Good call, and that would be in the right spot to have
made that mess.  I hope you are right!
Thanks,
Tim
On Apr 12, 2013 12:18 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Which car?

 Assuming a diesel made before 1996, a common failure are the hoses to/from
 the oil cooler, check those first.
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

 Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote:

 I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that
 I
 was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500
 miles.
 
 I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was
 jumping
 from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire
 driver
 side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.
 
 I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and
 there
 was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!)
 and
 how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping oil,
 but
 I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from
 the
 breech.
 
 I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where
 to
 start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and
 see
 if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?
 
 Thanks,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-14 Thread Gerry Archer


Is there a merit badge for that?

The NAPA store here will use the old fittings and make up new lines.
Gerry

From: Tim Crone t...@crone.us

I know it wasn't a pinhole, the oil was full and the engine bay dry when I
(and 8 cub scouts) checked it on Sunday, and there's no oil in my parking
spots at work or home.  My motor mounts are iffy so I am hoping that is 
it.


I will let all y'all* know when I have a diagnosis.  Can I get oil cooler
lines at flaps, or will I have to order them?

Thanks everyone!
Tim
*that is NC Appalachian for y'ouns.   And that third 'a' is short on 
this

side of VA, thank you very much.
On Apr 12, 2013 8:37 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:


cover the delicate parts and clean the engine bay.   Brake cleaner can be
your friend, as well as the foamy engine cleaner stuff.  Lower pressure
(garden hose) hot water wash to remove the oil and dirt should give a 
much

better view of where you have a problem.  I am going to bet it is an oil
pressure line with a pin hole that over time was able to empty the pan
enough for the pump to not be able to suck up enough oil.



clay


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







On Apr 12, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Tim Crone wrote:

 I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that 
 I

 was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500
miles.

 I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was
jumping
 from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire 
 driver

 side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.

 I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and 
 there
 was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!) 
 and

 how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping oil,
but
 I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from
the
 breech.

 I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where 
 to

 start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and
see
 if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?

 Thanks,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-14 Thread WILTON

'Never heard it pronounced with a longun; maybe I haven't been on the other 
side of VA enough, huh?  (That last little word/grunt is Southern for eh.) 
Well, on second thought, maybe I have, anyway.  ;)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Tim Crone t...@crone.us

To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread



I know it wasn't a pinhole, the oil was full and the engine bay dry when I
(and 8 cub scouts) checked it on Sunday, and there's no oil in my parking
spots at work or home.  My motor mounts are iffy so I am hoping that is 
it.


I will let all y'all* know when I have a diagnosis.  Can I get oil cooler
lines at flaps, or will I have to order them?

Thanks everyone!
Tim
*that is NC Appalachian for y'ouns.   And that third 'a' is short on 
this

side of VA, thank you very much.
On Apr 12, 2013 8:37 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:


cover the delicate parts and clean the engine bay.   Brake cleaner can be
your friend, as well as the foamy engine cleaner stuff.  Lower pressure
(garden hose) hot water wash to remove the oil and dirt should give a 
much

better view of where you have a problem.  I am going to bet it is an oil
pressure line with a pin hole that over time was able to empty the pan
enough for the pump to not be able to suck up enough oil.



clay


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







On Apr 12, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Tim Crone wrote:

 I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that 
 I

 was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500
miles.

 I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was
jumping
 from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire 
 driver

 side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.

 I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and 
 there
 was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!) 
 and

 how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping oil,
but
 I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from
the
 breech.

 I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where 
 to

 start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and
see
 if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?

 Thanks,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-14 Thread WILTON

'Should be - wrenching/mechanicing - practical repairs - duct tape, baling 
wire, tie wrap repairs.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

Is there a merit badge for that?

The NAPA store here will use the old fittings and make up new lines.
Gerry

From: Tim Crone t...@crone.us

I know it wasn't a pinhole, the oil was full and the engine bay dry when I
(and 8 cub scouts) checked it on Sunday, and there's no oil in my parking
spots at work or home.  My motor mounts are iffy so I am hoping that is 
it.

I will let all y'all* know when I have a diagnosis.  Can I get oil cooler
lines at flaps, or will I have to order them?

Thanks everyone!
Tim
*that is NC Appalachian for y'ouns.   And that third 'a' is short on 
this

side of VA, thank you very much.
On Apr 12, 2013 8:37 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

cover the delicate parts and clean the engine bay.   Brake cleaner can 
be

your friend, as well as the foamy engine cleaner stuff.  Lower pressure
(garden hose) hot water wash to remove the oil and dirt should give a 
much

better view of where you have a problem.  I am going to bet it is an oil
pressure line with a pin hole that over time was able to empty the pan
enough for the pump to not be able to suck up enough oil.

clay

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers

On Apr 12, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Tim Crone wrote:

 I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed 
 that I

 was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500
miles.

 I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was
jumping
 from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire 
 driver

 side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.

 I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and 
 there
 was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!) 
 and
 how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping 
 oil,

but
 I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from
the
 breech.

 I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where 
 to

 start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and
see
 if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?

 Thanks,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-14 Thread Rich Thomas


So y'all's all cooler lahns is broken?

--R

On 4/14/13 4:33 PM, WILTON wrote:
'Never heard it pronounced with a longun; maybe I haven't been on the 
other side of VA enough, huh?  (That last little word/grunt is 
Southern for eh.) Well, on second thought, maybe I have, anyway.  ;)


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Tim Crone t...@crone.us
To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread


I know it wasn't a pinhole, the oil was full and the engine bay dry 
when I
(and 8 cub scouts) checked it on Sunday, and there's no oil in my 
parking
spots at work or home.  My motor mounts are iffy so I am hoping that 
is it.


I will let all y'all* know when I have a diagnosis.  Can I get oil 
cooler

lines at flaps, or will I have to order them?

Thanks everyone!
Tim
*that is NC Appalachian for y'ouns.   And that third 'a' is short 
on this

side of VA, thank you very much.



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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-14 Thread WILTON

'Thought he was talkin' 'bout somebody tryin' to say, AppaLAHchian.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

So y'all's all cooler lahns is broken?

--R

On 4/14/13 4:33 PM, WILTON wrote:
'Never heard it pronounced with a longun; maybe I haven't been on the 
other side of VA enough, huh?  (That last little word/grunt is 
Southern for eh.) Well, on second thought, maybe I have, anyway.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Tim Crone t...@crone.us
To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

I know it wasn't a pinhole, the oil was full and the engine bay dry 
when I
(and 8 cub scouts) checked it on Sunday, and there's no oil in my 
parking
spots at work or home.  My motor mounts are iffy so I am hoping that 
is it.

I will let all y'all* know when I have a diagnosis.  Can I get oil 
cooler

lines at flaps, or will I have to order them?

Thanks everyone!
Tim
*that is NC Appalachian for y'ouns.   And that third 'a' is short 
on this

side of VA, thank you very much.

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-14 Thread Dieselhead


y'all mean apple latch ya?



'Thought he was talkin' 'bout somebody tryin' to say, AppaLAHchian.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread


So y'all's all cooler lahns is broken?

--R

On 4/14/13 4:33 PM, WILTON wrote:
'Never heard it pronounced with a longun; maybe I haven't been on 
the other side of VA enough, huh?  (That last little word/grunt is 
Southern for eh.) Well, on second thought, maybe I have, anyway. 
;)


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Tim Crone t...@crone.us
To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread


I know it wasn't a pinhole, the oil was full and the engine bay dry when I
(and 8 cub scouts) checked it on Sunday, and there's no oil in my parking
spots at work or home.  My motor mounts are iffy so I am hoping that is it.

I will let all y'all* know when I have a diagnosis.  Can I get oil cooler
lines at flaps, or will I have to order them?

Thanks everyone!
Tim
*that is NC Appalachian for y'ouns.   And that third 'a' is short on this
side of VA, thank you very much.



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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-14 Thread WILTON

Yep, just not apple lahch ya.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

y'all mean apple latch ya?

'Thought he was talkin' 'bout somebody tryin' to say, AppaLAHchian.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

So y'all's all cooler lahns is broken?

--R

On 4/14/13 4:33 PM, WILTON wrote:
'Never heard it pronounced with a longun; maybe I haven't been on the 
other side of VA enough, huh?  (That last little word/grunt is Southern 
for eh.) Well, on second thought, maybe I have, anyway. ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Tim Crone t...@crone.us
To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

I know it wasn't a pinhole, the oil was full and the engine bay dry 
when I
(and 8 cub scouts) checked it on Sunday, and there's no oil in my 
parking
spots at work or home.  My motor mounts are iffy so I am hoping that is 
it.

I will let all y'all* know when I have a diagnosis.  Can I get oil 
cooler

lines at flaps, or will I have to order them?

Thanks everyone!
Tim
*that is NC Appalachian for y'ouns.   And that third 'a' is short on 
this

side of VA, thank you very much.

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[MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-12 Thread Tim Crone

I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that I
was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500 miles.

I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was jumping
from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire driver
side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.

I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and there
was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!) and
how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping oil, but
I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from the
breech.

I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where to
start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and see
if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?

Thanks,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread or sorts - leaking

2013-04-12 Thread Randy Bennell


On 12/04/2013 11:01 AM, Tim Crone wrote:

I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that I
was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500 miles.

I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was jumping
from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire driver
side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.

I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and there
was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!) and
how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping oil, but
I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from the
breech.

I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where to
start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and see
if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?

Thanks,
Tim


That is not an oil thread. That is a leak thread.

Have to think, the easy way is to use some spray engine cleaner, hose it 
off and then put some new oil in and fire it up.

What sort of vehicle and engine are we talking about?

Might you have blown a gasket on the oil filter housing or something 
like that? Or, might something of that nature have come loose?


I had a persistant drip of oil after I changed oil a year or more back 
and thought I had not tightened the plug sufficiently. Tried tightening 
it twice before I realized it was the filter housing that needed to be 
tightened.
My car is a 115 so old enough not to have the oil filter that can be 
changed from up top.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-12 Thread OK Don

My first guess is an oil cooler hose ---


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote:

 I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that I
 was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500 miles.

 I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was jumping
 from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire driver
 side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.

 I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and there
 was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!) and
 how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping oil, but
 I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from the
 breech.

 I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where to
 start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and see
 if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?

 Thanks,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-12 Thread Max Dillon

Which car?

Assuming a diesel made before 1996, a common failure are the hoses to/from the 
oil cooler, check those first.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote:

I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that
I
was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500
miles.

I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was
jumping
from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire
driver
side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.

I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and
there
was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!)
and
how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping oil,
but
I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from
the
breech.

I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where
to
start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and
see
if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?

Thanks,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-12 Thread Rick Knoble

 I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where
 to
 start, if I don't see anything obvious?


On one of my 123's the oil line failed as a result of motor mount failure. This 
appears to be common. The drivers side motor mount collapses and the power 
steering belt contacts the oil cooler hose, wearing a hole in it. It will be 
obvious. To change out the oil cooler lines you pretty much have to remove the 
motor mount, so what a great opportunity to do both. Soak the ends of the oil 
cooler lines with AeroKroil or PB Blaster for several days before you start and 
they should come off easily. Also a ball end 6mm Allen socket will help getting 
the motor mount off. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-12 Thread dseretakis

Yes. I'd dump in some oil, start er up and see from where she leaks:)

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 12, 2013, at 12:11 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 My first guess is an oil cooler hose ---
 
 
 On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote:
 
 I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that I
 was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500 miles.
 
 I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was jumping
 from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire driver
 side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.
 
 I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and there
 was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!) and
 how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping oil, but
 I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from the
 breech.
 
 I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where to
 start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and see
 if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?
 
 Thanks,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-12 Thread Curt Raymond

You don't mention what car but I had this happen on my '83 240D. I was cruising 
down the highway and the oil pressure gauge went all crazy. I pulled over, 
popped the hood and the top of the engine was coated in oil. Pulled the 
dipstick and there was just a drip on the end of the stick. I had a couple 
quarts with me so I added them which brought the level up to just over the low 
mark. I drove it home and added more oil and drove it for another 2 years. 

Never did figure what had gotten into it...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:01:55 -0400
From: Tim Crone bb...@crone.us
To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Another oil thread
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I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that I
was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500 miles.

I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was jumping
from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire driver
side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.

I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and there
was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!) and
how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping oil, but
I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from the
breech.

I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where to
start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and see
if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?

Thanks,
Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-12 Thread clay

cover the delicate parts and clean the engine bay.   Brake cleaner can be your 
friend, as well as the foamy engine cleaner stuff.  Lower pressure (garden 
hose) hot water wash to remove the oil and dirt should give a much better view 
of where you have a problem.  I am going to bet it is an oil pressure line with 
a pin hole that over time was able to empty the pan enough for the pump to not 
be able to suck up enough oil.



clay 


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







On Apr 12, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Tim Crone wrote:

 I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that I
 was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500 miles.
 
 I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was jumping
 from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire driver
 side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.
 
 I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and there
 was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!) and
 how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping oil, but
 I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from the
 breech.
 
 I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where to
 start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and see
 if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?
 
 Thanks,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread or sorts - leaking

2013-04-12 Thread clay

Randy, I would be surprised if a bottom filter like that could coat the engine 
bay.  Top side oil filter would have made a very obvious mess.  Forgetting to 
put the oil cap on the valve cover really makes a huge mess of things and will 
cause long term oil seeping unless fully washed.  Oil cooler line would spray 
it back and might allow the fan to disperse it in a manner one would find hard 
to pin point.

clay

On Apr 12, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:

 On 12/04/2013 11:01 AM, Tim Crone wrote:
 I came off the interstate (a few miles but it was hot) and noticed that I
 was idling at 15.  That's a bit low but not crazy low.  Oil is ~500 miles.
 
 I started driving again - no driving issue, but pressure gauge was jumping
 from 15-30.  I pulled into a gas station, opened hood - the entire driver
 side of the engine was covered in oil.  Massive loss.
 
 I saw nothing terribly obvious, but I was wearing work clothes and there
 was no way to do any good diagnosis.  Got it towed home (thanks AAA!) and
 how it's been in the driveway since Tuesday.  It is still dripping oil, but
 I can't tell if it's from the mess in the compartment settling or from the
 breech.
 
 I'm going to have to get into it this weekend.  Any suggestions where to
 start, if I don't see anything obvious?  Should I just dump in oil and see
 if it leaks out the head, or is there a better way?
 
 Thanks,
 Tim
 
 That is not an oil thread. That is a leak thread.
 
 Have to think, the easy way is to use some spray engine cleaner, hose it off 
 and then put some new oil in and fire it up.
 What sort of vehicle and engine are we talking about?
 
 Might you have blown a gasket on the oil filter housing or something like 
 that? Or, might something of that nature have come loose?
 
 I had a persistant drip of oil after I changed oil a year or more back and 
 thought I had not tightened the plug sufficiently. Tried tightening it twice 
 before I realized it was the filter housing that needed to be tightened.
 My car is a 115 so old enough not to have the oil filter that can be changed 
 from up top.
 
 Randy
 
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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2013-04-12 Thread Dieselhead


My first guess is an oil cooler hose ---

Ditto, but what car/engine is it?   Assuming OM61x or OM60x, oil cooler line.

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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-08 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

Larry, thanks for following up.  Got the M1 at the Advance closest to my
work location.  Rather irritating, the Advance closest to my house and
very convenient to stop at while driving home did not have it in stock.
I'm beginning to think there's either a conspiracy OR a very high
concentration of diesel drivers in Mt. P 

-Max

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Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:09 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

I sent a note to AutoZone and AdvanceAuto  both said he M1 Turbo/Diesel
may not be displayed and to ask for it.  If not in the store they can
get it in
24 hours. (they said)

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

 Allen, I'm starting to think like you, if this becomes too much of a 
 quest I may just go with Delvac 1300 which the local W-mart does carry

 regularly.

 -Max

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib
 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:32 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

 On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 08:39 -0500, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I got 15W-40 at autozone last week. I usually check oil in the 60x 
 engines first thing in the morning, but don't see that much 
 difference

 after 1/2 an hour after running, but haven't studied it closely.

 I have enough trouble finding quantities of M1 Turbo Diesel Truck
 15W-40 or regular M1 20W-50 that I've just started using Delo.  I buy 
 it in 6 gallon cases at Sam's Club for about what one change of M1 
 would cost me.

 I appreciate the advantages of M1 but I'm not going to drive all over 
 town trying to find it.

 Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-08 Thread Rich Thomas


Or both.

--R (Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it can creep...)

On 4/8/2010 8:58 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
wrote:

I'm beginning to think there's either a conspiracy OR a very high
concentration of diesel drivers in Mt. P

-Max
   



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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-08 Thread OK Don

Or inept stocking/management ot one store --

(Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you. . .)

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Or both.

 --R (Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it can creep...)


 On 4/8/2010 8:58 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
 wrote:

 I'm beginning to think there's either a conspiracy OR a very high
 concentration of diesel drivers in Mt. P

 -Max




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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-07 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

Thanks Curt.  Is their price nice?

-Max 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:49 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

I've been getting 5w40 at Autozone

-Curt

Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:15:49 -0400
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,    53310
    meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread
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Dieselvolk,

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back, drove 
my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles.  It's now time for an oil change, but 
I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual places.  Where are folks 
getting their M1 these days?

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few minutes, so 
I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after only sitting for about 
10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway point on the dipstick (normal 
point for the low oil level light to start activating on my car).  I was 
surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had drained back into the oil sump so 
quickly!

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines 
vs.OM61x?  Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get an 
accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I assumed that 
the same applied to an OM60x engine.

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 323k miles
'95 E300 274k miles (project)
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-07 Thread Curt Raymond

A couple times a month they'll do 5 quarts plus an oil filter for $29.95. I get 
a filter for my Ranger, when I get the oil changed on that Speedee will take $5 
off if I bring my own which brings my total cost to $24.95 for 5 quarts so I 
figure thats a pretty good deal.
Oh and if you join the rewards program for every 5 $20 purchases they give you 
$20 in rewards so figure thats $4 more off...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:57:31 -0400
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,    53310
    meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread
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Thanks Curt.  Is their price nice?

-Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On 
Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:49 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

I've been getting 5w40 at Autozone

-Curt

Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:15:49 -0400
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,??? 53310
??? meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=us-ascii

Dieselvolk,

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back, drove 
my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles.? It's now time for an oil change, but 
I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual places.? Where are folks 
getting their M1 these days?

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few minutes, so 
I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after only sitting for about 
10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway point on the dipstick (normal 
point for the low oil level light to start activating on my car).? I was 
surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had drained back into the oil sump so 
quickly!

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines 
vs.OM61x?? Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get an 
accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I assumed that 
the same applied to an OM60x engine.

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 323k miles
'95 E300 274k miles (project)
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC


      
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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-07 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

I guess I need to get on the mailing lists...

-Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On 
Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:49 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

A couple times a month they'll do 5 quarts plus an oil filter for $29.95. I get 
a filter for my Ranger, when I get the oil changed on that Speedee will take $5 
off if I bring my own which brings my total cost to $24.95 for 5 quarts so I 
figure thats a pretty good deal.
Oh and if you join the rewards program for every 5 $20 purchases they give you 
$20 in rewards so figure thats $4 more off...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:57:31 -0400
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,    53310
    meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread
Message-ID:

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Thanks Curt.  Is their price nice?

-Max 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:49 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

I've been getting 5w40 at Autozone

-Curt

Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:15:49 -0400
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,??? 53310
??? meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=us-ascii

Dieselvolk,

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back, drove 
my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles.? It's now time for an oil change, but 
I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual places.? Where are folks 
getting their M1 these days?

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few minutes, so 
I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after only sitting for about 
10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway point on the dipstick (normal 
point for the low oil level light to start activating on my car).? I was 
surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had drained back into the oil sump so 
quickly!

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines 
vs.OM61x?? Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get an 
accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I assumed that 
the same applied to an OM60x engine.

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 323k miles
'95 E300 274k miles (project)
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-07 Thread Curt Raymond

Fortunately they don't email you much...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:16:53 -0400
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,    53310
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread
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I guess I need to get on the mailing lists...

-Max 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:49 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

A
couple times a month they'll do 5 quarts plus an oil filter for $29.95.
I get a filter for my Ranger, when I get the oil changed on that
Speedee will take $5 off if I bring my own which brings my total cost
to $24.95 for 5 quarts so I figure thats a pretty good deal.
Oh and if you join the rewards program for every 5 $20 purchases they give you 
$20 in rewards so figure thats $4 more off...

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-07 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

I used your idea - Thanks!, checked the on-line flyers, and lo-and-behold 
Advance has 'the sale' this month.  Just got back after running that errand 
during my lunch break, have $60 worth of 5w-40 and two filters for Wife's car.

I'll go back to my regular wally-world gathering mode and hopefully find it 
there again soon for the next oil change...

-Max

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Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:22 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

Fortunately they don't email you much...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:16:53 -0400
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,    53310
    meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread
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I guess I need to get on the mailing lists...

-Max 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:49 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

A
couple times a month they'll do 5 quarts plus an oil filter for $29.95.
I get a filter for my Ranger, when I get the oil changed on that Speedee will 
take $5 off if I bring my own which brings my total cost to $24.95 for 5 quarts 
so I figure thats a pretty good deal.
Oh and if you join the rewards program for every 5 $20 purchases they give you 
$20 in rewards so figure thats $4 more off...

-Curt


  
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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-07 Thread LarryT


Hi Max,
I got 15W40 Turbo/Diesel M1 recently at AutoZone in the Diesel section. 
They only had quart bottles though...


Not sure why Marshall said it takes so long - I've found it to return pretty 
quickly.


BTW, I usually put 6 qts. of 15W40 and top it off with 15W50.   I like the 
readings I get at idle with that mix.


Good luck --
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Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:15 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread


Dieselvolk,

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back,
drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles.  It's now time for an
oil change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual
places.  Where are folks getting their M1 these days?

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few
minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after
only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway
point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to start
activating on my car).  I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had
drained back into the oil sump so quickly!

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines
vs.OM61x?  Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get
an accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I
assumed that the same applied to an OM60x engine.

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 323k miles
'95 E300 274k miles (project)
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-07 Thread LarryT

I sent a note to AutoZone and AdvanceAuto  both said he M1 Turbo/Diesel may 
not be displayed and to ask for it.  If not in the store they can get it in 
24 hours. (they said)


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread


Allen, I'm starting to think like you, if this becomes too much of a
quest I may just go with Delvac 1300 which the local W-mart does carry
regularly.

-Max

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Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 08:39 -0500, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:


I got 15W-40 at autozone last week. I usually check oil in the 60x
engines first thing in the morning, but don't see that much difference



after 1/2 an hour after running, but haven't studied it closely.


I have enough trouble finding quantities of M1 Turbo Diesel Truck
15W-40 or regular M1 20W-50 that I've just started using Delo.  I buy it
in 6 gallon cases at Sam's Club for about what one change of M1 would
cost me.

I appreciate the advantages of M1 but I'm not going to drive all over
town trying to find it.

Allan

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[MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

Dieselvolk,

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back,
drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles.  It's now time for an
oil change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual
places.  Where are folks getting their M1 these days?

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few
minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after
only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway
point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to start
activating on my car).  I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had
drained back into the oil sump so quickly!

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines
vs.OM61x?  Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get
an accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I
assumed that the same applied to an OM60x engine.

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 323k miles
'95 E300 274k miles (project)
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Rich Thomas


I got some15W50 at El Mercado de Wal a coupla weeks back.

--R

On 4/6/2010 8:15 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
wrote:

Dieselvolk,

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back,
drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles.  It's now time for an
oil change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual
places.  Where are folks getting their M1 these days?

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few
minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after
only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway
point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to start
activating on my car).  I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had
drained back into the oil sump so quickly!

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines
vs.OM61x?  Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get
an accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I
assumed that the same applied to an OM60x engine.

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 323k miles
'95 E300 274k miles (project)
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread pm7088

Oil level lights are notoriously inaccurate. Circuit has sensor, some type of 
timer relay etc. 

M1 oil is like lemon juice when hot. About 90% will be in the pan after 5 
minutes, the last teacup full will be tenacious and take many hours to drain to 
the pan. That is why I usually change my oil stone cold on all my cars. 

YMMV 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310 
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 8:15:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

Dieselvolk, 

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back, 
drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles. It's now time for an 
oil change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual 
places. Where are folks getting their M1 these days? 

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few 
minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after 
only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway 
point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to start 
activating on my car). I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had 
drained back into the oil sump so quickly! 

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines 
vs.OM61x? Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get 
an accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I 
assumed that the same applied to an OM60x engine. 

Very respectfully, 
/s/ 
Max Dillon 
'87 300TD 323k miles 
'95 E300 274k miles (project) 
'73 Balboa 20 
Charleston SC 



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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

15w-50?  I checked both of our Mt. P Wal-Mart locations a couple weeks
ago, no joy, so maybe I need to cross over to your side of the creeks.
Rather irritating, sometimes Mt. P Wal-Mart's have diesel rated M1 in
stock and I'll buy up all they have on the shelf (all 2 or 3 bottles)
and then six months later they'll be out of stock for weeks and weeks.
I've mentioned it to the workers and even a manager and the reply is
always it should come in on the next truck but maybe someone else is
buying all that up before I get there.

-Max

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:26 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

I got some15W50 at El Mercado de Wal a coupla weeks back.

--R

On 4/6/2010 8:15 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
wrote:
 Dieselvolk,

 Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and 
 back, drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles.  It's now time 
 for an oil change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the 
 usual places.  Where are folks getting their M1 these days?

 Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few 
 minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after 
 only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway 
 point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to 
 start activating on my car).  I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40)

 had drained back into the oil sump so quickly!

 Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x 
 engines vs.OM61x?  Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 
 hours to get an accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and 
 I guess I assumed that the same applied to an OM60x engine.

 Very respectfully,
 /s/
 Max Dillon
 '87 300TD 323k miles
 '95 E300 274k miles (project)
 '73 Balboa 20
 Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

My oil level sensor has been pretty consistent, when the level reaches
the mid-way point on the stick it will start activating (stay on for a
minute or two), and when it finally comes on and stays on the level is
all the way down to the bottom mark or 'add' mark.  It takes a month or
so (1500 miles or more) to drop to the 'add' mark and so I now just add
a quart when it starts to blink.

I used to only change my M1 oil on stone cold engines, but now I'm
beginning to wonder if that is really necessary on OM60x engines.

-Max

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of pm7...@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:39 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

Oil level lights are notoriously inaccurate. Circuit has sensor, some
type of timer relay etc. 

M1 oil is like lemon juice when hot. About 90% will be in the pan after
5 minutes, the last teacup full will be tenacious and take many hours to
drain to the pan. That is why I usually change my oil stone cold on all
my cars. 

YMMV 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message -
From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 8:15:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

Dieselvolk, 

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back,
drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles. It's now time for an oil
change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual places.
Where are folks getting their M1 these days? 

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few
minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after
only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway
point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to start
activating on my car). I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had
drained back into the oil sump so quickly! 

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines
vs.OM61x? Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get an
accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I assumed
that the same applied to an OM60x engine. 

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 323k miles
'95 E300 274k miles (project)
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC 



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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread pm7088

It is written in the book of Saint Marshall, DO NOT TOP OFF THE OIL. 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310 
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 9:05:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

My oil level sensor has been pretty consistent, when the level reaches 
the mid-way point on the stick it will start activating (stay on for a 
minute or two), and when it finally comes on and stays on the level is 
all the way down to the bottom mark or 'add' mark. It takes a month or 
so (1500 miles or more) to drop to the 'add' mark and so I now just add 
a quart when it starts to blink. 

I used to only change my M1 oil on stone cold engines, but now I'm 
beginning to wonder if that is really necessary on OM60x engines. 

-Max 

-Original Message- 
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com 
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of pm7...@comcast.net 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:39 AM 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

Oil level lights are notoriously inaccurate. Circuit has sensor, some 
type of timer relay etc. 

M1 oil is like lemon juice when hot. About 90% will be in the pan after 
5 minutes, the last teacup full will be tenacious and take many hours to 
drain to the pan. That is why I usually change my oil stone cold on all 
my cars. 

YMMV 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310 
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 8:15:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

Dieselvolk, 

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back, 
drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles. It's now time for an oil 
change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual places. 
Where are folks getting their M1 these days? 

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few 
minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after 
only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway 
point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to start 
activating on my car). I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had 
drained back into the oil sump so quickly! 

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines 
vs.OM61x? Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get an 
accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I assumed 
that the same applied to an OM60x engine. 

Very respectfully, 
/s/ 
Max Dillon 
'87 300TD 323k miles 
'95 E300 274k miles (project) 
'73 Balboa 20 
Charleston SC 



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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread OK Don

I got 15W-40 at autozone last week. I usually check oil in the 60x engines
first thing in the morning, but don't see that much difference after 1/2 an
hour after running, but haven't studied it closely.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote:

 Dieselvolk,

 Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back,
 drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles.  It's now time for an
 oil change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual
 places.  Where are folks getting their M1 these days?

 Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few
 minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after
 only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway
 point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to start
 activating on my car).  I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had
 drained back into the oil sump so quickly!

 Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines
 vs.OM61x?  Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get
 an accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I
 assumed that the same applied to an OM60x engine.


-- 
OK Don
Panic! (the national past time).
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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Rich Thomas

I think I got the stuff either at the one by the airport or Folly Rd, 
but that is no assurance they will still have it.


--R

On 4/6/2010 9:01 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
wrote:

15w-50?  I checked both of our Mt. P Wal-Mart locations a couple weeks
ago, no joy, so maybe I need to cross over to your side of the creeks.
Rather irritating, sometimes Mt. P Wal-Mart's have diesel rated M1 in
stock and I'll buy up all they have on the shelf (all 2 or 3 bottles)
and then six months later they'll be out of stock for weeks and weeks.
I've mentioned it to the workers and even a manager and the reply is
always it should come in on the next truck but maybe someone else is
buying all that up before I get there.

-Max

-Original Message-
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:26 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

I got some15W50 at El Mercado de Wal a coupla weeks back.

--R

On 4/6/2010 8:15 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
wrote:
   

Dieselvolk,

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and
back, drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles.  It's now time
for an oil change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the
usual places.  Where are folks getting their M1 these days?

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few
minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after
only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway
point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to
start activating on my car).  I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40)
 
   

had drained back into the oil sump so quickly!

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x
engines vs.OM61x?  Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8
hours to get an accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and
I guess I assumed that the same applied to an OM60x engine.

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 323k miles
'95 E300 274k miles (project)
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Allan Streib

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 08:39 -0500, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I got 15W-40 at autozone last week. I usually check oil in the 60x
 engines first thing in the morning, but don't see that much difference
 after 1/2 an hour after running, but haven't studied it closely.

I have enough trouble finding quantities of M1 Turbo Diesel Truck 15W-40 or 
regular M1 20W-50 that I've just started using Delo.  I buy it in 6 gallon 
cases at Sam's Club for about what one change of M1 would cost me.

I appreciate the advantages of M1 but I'm not going to drive all over town 
trying to find it.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

Yes, and MB even issued a TSB to that affect.  I'm probably risking
disaster in continuing in my violation of the prime directive, but I
can't stand to have that light coming on and off!

-Max 

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It is written in the book of Saint Marshall, DO NOT TOP OFF THE OIL. 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 9:05:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

My oil level sensor has been pretty consistent, when the level reaches
the mid-way point on the stick it will start activating (stay on for a
minute or two), and when it finally comes on and stays on the level is
all the way down to the bottom mark or 'add' mark. It takes a month or
so (1500 miles or more) to drop to the 'add' mark and so I now just add
a quart when it starts to blink. 

I used to only change my M1 oil on stone cold engines, but now I'm
beginning to wonder if that is really necessary on OM60x engines. 

-Max 

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of pm7...@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:39 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

Oil level lights are notoriously inaccurate. Circuit has sensor, some
type of timer relay etc. 

M1 oil is like lemon juice when hot. About 90% will be in the pan after
5 minutes, the last teacup full will be tenacious and take many hours to
drain to the pan. That is why I usually change my oil stone cold on all
my cars. 

YMMV 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 8:15:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

Dieselvolk, 

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back,
drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles. It's now time for an oil
change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual places. 
Where are folks getting their M1 these days? 

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few
minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after
only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway
point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to start
activating on my car). I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had
drained back into the oil sump so quickly! 

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines
vs.OM61x? Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get an
accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I assumed
that the same applied to an OM60x engine. 

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 323k miles
'95 E300 274k miles (project)
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC 



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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

Don,

Thanks, I may have to go that route.  Was the price nice?

-Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:39 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

I got 15W-40 at autozone last week. I usually check oil in the 60x
engines first thing in the morning, but don't see that much difference
after 1/2 an hour after running, but haven't studied it closely.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote:

 Dieselvolk,

 Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and 
 back, drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles.  It's now time 
 for an oil change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the 
 usual places.  Where are folks getting their M1 these days?

 Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few 
 minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after 
 only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway 
 point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to 
 start activating on my car).  I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40)

 had drained back into the oil sump so quickly!

 Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x 
 engines vs.OM61x?  Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 
 hours to get an accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and 
 I guess I assumed that the same applied to an OM60x engine.


--
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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

The airport location is close to work, I'll swing by there today or
tomorrow.

Thanks,
Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:13 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

I think I got the stuff either at the one by the airport or Folly Rd,
but that is no assurance they will still have it.

--R

On 4/6/2010 9:01 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
wrote:
 15w-50?  I checked both of our Mt. P Wal-Mart locations a couple weeks

 ago, no joy, so maybe I need to cross over to your side of the creeks.
 Rather irritating, sometimes Mt. P Wal-Mart's have diesel rated M1 in 
 stock and I'll buy up all they have on the shelf (all 2 or 3 bottles) 
 and then six months later they'll be out of stock for weeks and weeks.
 I've mentioned it to the workers and even a manager and the reply is 
 always it should come in on the next truck but maybe someone else is

 buying all that up before I get there.

 -Max

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:26 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

 I got some15W50 at El Mercado de Wal a coupla weeks back.

 --R

 On 4/6/2010 8:15 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
 wrote:

 Dieselvolk,

 Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and 
 back, drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles.  It's now time 
 for an oil change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the 
 usual places.  Where are folks getting their M1 these days?

 Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few 
 minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after 
 only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway 
 point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to 
 start activating on my car).  I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 
 15w-40)
  

 had drained back into the oil sump so quickly!

 Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x 
 engines vs.OM61x?  Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 
 hours to get an accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and

 I guess I assumed that the same applied to an OM60x engine.

 Very respectfully,
 /s/
 Max Dillon
 '87 300TD 323k miles
 '95 E300 274k miles (project)
 '73 Balboa 20
 Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

Allen, I'm starting to think like you, if this becomes too much of a
quest I may just go with Delvac 1300 which the local W-mart does carry
regularly.

-Max 

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:32 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 08:39 -0500, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I got 15W-40 at autozone last week. I usually check oil in the 60x 
 engines first thing in the morning, but don't see that much difference

 after 1/2 an hour after running, but haven't studied it closely.

I have enough trouble finding quantities of M1 Turbo Diesel Truck
15W-40 or regular M1 20W-50 that I've just started using Delo.  I buy it
in 6 gallon cases at Sam's Club for about what one change of M1 would
cost me.

I appreciate the advantages of M1 but I'm not going to drive all over
town trying to find it.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread pm7088

I can help you with that, pull the wire off the sensor. 


-- 

Peter T. Arnold P.M. x3 
All Mail to: 
Secretary Hartford Evergreen Lodge #88 A.F.  A.M. 
34 Country Club Drive 
Windsor, CT 06095 


- Original Message - 
From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310 
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 12:25:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

Yes, and MB even issued a TSB to that affect. I'm probably risking 
disaster in continuing in my violation of the prime directive, but I 
can't stand to have that light coming on and off! 

-Max 

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:12 AM 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

It is written in the book of Saint Marshall, DO NOT TOP OFF THE OIL. 


-- 

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Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310 
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 9:05:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

My oil level sensor has been pretty consistent, when the level reaches 
the mid-way point on the stick it will start activating (stay on for a 
minute or two), and when it finally comes on and stays on the level is 
all the way down to the bottom mark or 'add' mark. It takes a month or 
so (1500 miles or more) to drop to the 'add' mark and so I now just add 
a quart when it starts to blink. 

I used to only change my M1 oil on stone cold engines, but now I'm 
beginning to wonder if that is really necessary on OM60x engines. 

-Max 

-Original Message- 
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com 
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of pm7...@comcast.net 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:39 AM 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

Oil level lights are notoriously inaccurate. Circuit has sensor, some 
type of timer relay etc. 

M1 oil is like lemon juice when hot. About 90% will be in the pan after 
5 minutes, the last teacup full will be tenacious and take many hours to 
drain to the pan. That is why I usually change my oil stone cold on all 
my cars. 

YMMV 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310 
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 8:15:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

Dieselvolk, 

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back, 
drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles. It's now time for an oil 
change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual places. 
Where are folks getting their M1 these days? 

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few 
minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after 
only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway 
point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to start 
activating on my car). I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had 
drained back into the oil sump so quickly! 

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines 
vs.OM61x? Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get an 
accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I assumed 
that the same applied to an OM60x engine. 

Very respectfully, 
/s/ 
Max Dillon 
'87 300TD 323k miles 
'95 E300 274k miles (project) 
'73 Balboa 20 
Charleston SC 



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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

Yes, that would give me one less thing to complain about...  WWMD?

-Max 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

I can help you with that, pull the wire off the sensor. 

-- 

Peter T. Arnold P.M. x3
All Mail to: 
Secretary Hartford Evergreen Lodge #88 A.F.  A.M. 
34 Country Club Drive
Windsor, CT 06095 

- Original Message -
From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 12:25:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

Yes, and MB even issued a TSB to that affect. I'm probably risking
disaster in continuing in my violation of the prime directive, but I
can't stand to have that light coming on and off! 

-Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of pm7...@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:12 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

It is written in the book of Saint Marshall, DO NOT TOP OFF THE OIL. 

-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message -
From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310 
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 9:05:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

My oil level sensor has been pretty consistent, when the level reaches
the mid-way point on the stick it will start activating (stay on for a
minute or two), and when it finally comes on and stays on the level is
all the way down to the bottom mark or 'add' mark. It takes a month or
so (1500 miles or more) to drop to the 'add' mark and so I now just add
a quart when it starts to blink. 

I used to only change my M1 oil on stone cold engines, but now I'm
beginning to wonder if that is really necessary on OM60x engines. 

-Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of pm7...@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:39 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

Oil level lights are notoriously inaccurate. Circuit has sensor, some
type of timer relay etc. 

M1 oil is like lemon juice when hot. About 90% will be in the pan after
5 minutes, the last teacup full will be tenacious and take many hours to
drain to the pan. That is why I usually change my oil stone cold on all
my cars. 

YMMV 

-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message -
From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310 
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 8:15:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread 

Dieselvolk, 

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back,
drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles. It's now time for an oil
change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual places. 
Where are folks getting their M1 these days? 

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few
minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after
only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway
point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to start
activating on my car). I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had
drained back into the oil sump so quickly! 

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines
vs.OM61x? Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get an
accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I assumed
that the same applied to an OM60x engine. 

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 323k miles
'95 E300 274k miles (project)
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC 

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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Rich Thomas


M probably ignores it anyway, mine does.

--R (assuming you mean mama)

On 4/6/2010 12:56 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
wrote:

Yes, that would give me one less thing to complain about...  WWMD?

-Max

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I can help you with that, pull the wire off the sensor.


   


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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

No, Marshall!  What Would Marshall Do?!?  Probably label this as a
'feature' and advise fixing the oil leaks and oil burning (but
rebuilding the head to fix the valve stem seals would not be allowed).

-Max 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

M probably ignores it anyway, mine does.

--R (assuming you mean mama)

On 4/6/2010 12:56 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
wrote:
 Yes, that would give me one less thing to complain about...  WWMD?

 -Max

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 I can help you with that, pull the wire off the sensor.




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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread Curt Raymond

I've been getting 5w40 at Autozone

-Curt

Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:15:49 -0400
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,    53310
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Subject: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread
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Dieselvolk,

Just got back on Saturday from a business trip to New England and back,
drove my '87 wagon and put on about 1700 miles.  It's now time for an
oil change, but I cannot find Mobil 1 15W-40 or 0w-40 at the usual
places.  Where are folks getting their M1 these days?

Also, during the homebound leg, the low oil light came on for a few
minutes, so I checked the level during the next rest stop, and after
only sitting for about 10 minutes, the oil registered at the midway
point on the dipstick (normal point for the low oil level light to start
activating on my car).  I was surprised that it (Mobil 1 15w-40) had
drained back into the oil sump so quickly!

Does anyone else find that their M1 drains back quickly in OM60x engines
vs.OM61x?  Marshall used to say that one must wait 6 to 8 hours to get
an accurate oil reading using M1 in an OM61x engine, and I guess I
assumed that the same applied to an OM60x engine.

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 323k miles
'95 E300 274k miles (project)
'73 Balboa 20
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] Another Oil Thread

2010-04-06 Thread OK Don

Too much, but it was right there when I needed it, so 
Actually, I don't remember what the price was.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote:

 Don,

 Thanks, I may have to go that route.  Was the price nice?

 -Max

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[MBZ] Another oil thread

2006-10-25 Thread Curt Raymond

So to keep fires burning...

I got my latest oil analysis this week, went a shade over 8,000 miles before 
testing. Larry says 113ppm iron is cause for concern but everything else looks 
fine.
I counter that the last check was at 7,000 some miles and iron was around 
130ppm so we're seeing a much slower rise in iron per oil change.
My theory is that the iron we're seeing is from carbon being released. The 
engine in my car ('85 190D 2.2l) was seriously carboned up when I first got it 
and 16,000 miles later its gotten alot better but still has some way to go. As 
the carbon gets more cleaned up I should see fewer problems with high iron 
level.

Anyway, thats the theory, what say you?

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I'll preface this by saying I know next to nothing about oil analysis, but -

Why would carbon buildup, which I'm guessing is comprised mostly of carbon
(C), contain any iron (Fe)?

Isn't the the block of a 2.2 cast iron?  If so, then it wouldn't it seem to
be a more likely place for iron to get into the oil?

Just a thought,
Mike

On 10/25/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So to keep fires burning...

 I got my latest oil analysis this week, went a shade over 8,000 miles
 before testing. Larry says 113ppm iron is cause for concern but everything
 else looks fine.
 I counter that the last check was at 7,000 some miles and iron was around
 130ppm so we're seeing a much slower rise in iron per oil change.
 My theory is that the iron we're seeing is from carbon being released. The
 engine in my car ('85 190D 2.2l) was seriously carboned up when I first
 got it and 16,000 miles later its gotten alot better but still has some way
 to go. As the carbon gets more cleaned up I should see fewer problems with
 high iron level.

 Anyway, thats the theory, what say you?

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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2006-10-25 Thread Curt Raymond

I don't have a good answer for you...
I have some theories.
#1 As carbon collects it grabs some iron thats floating around in the engine. 
Grabs is the wrong word, the iron collects with the carbon. Then when the 
carbon is released the iron is also but while the carbon blows out of the 
engine the iron sneaks down into the oil.

#2 As the carbon blows out of the engine bits of iron that it was attached to 
flake off and sneak down into the oil.


#3 Due to poor maintenance on the part of the previous owner (there lots of 
other more obvious examples of this) sludge has collected in the oil pan which 
is slowly being released into the engine by the detergent action of the clean 
oil I'm using thus releasing iron that was trapped in the sludge.

I've been considering something like Auto-Rx or Amsoil's Engine Flush to get 
the crud out more quickly, but based on the last result I'm tempted to just 
change the oil and test again at 8,000 miles. I suspect (hope) I'll see an even 
slower rise in iron this time and maybe after another change or two iron levels 
will stay in normal territory.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Another oil thread

2006-10-25 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've been considering something like Auto-Rx or Amsoil's Engine Flush to
 get the crud out more quickly, but based on the last result I'm tempted
 to just change the oil and test again at 8,000 miles.

Use Mobil 1 and drive it like you stole it.


Craig

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