Re: [MBZ] BAS/ESP comes on when the brake pedal is pressed. 2003 Mercedes-Benz m-class ML 500 Sport Utility 4D, $5, 500
Avoid. BAS/ESP issues in pre-facelift models are difficult to sort out. -D > On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > And btw, the sunroof doesn't work. Pass. > >> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 10:58 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Looks reasonably nice, could be a deal at half the ask >> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1505029776959945 >> >> -- >> --FT >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS/ESP comes on when the brake pedal is pressed. 2003 Mercedes-Benz m-class ML 500 Sport Utility 4D, $5, 500
And btw, the sunroof doesn't work. Pass. On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 10:58 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Looks reasonably nice, could be a deal at half the ask > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1505029776959945 > > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] BAS/ESP comes on when the brake pedal is pressed. 2003 Mercedes-Benz m-class ML 500 Sport Utility 4D, $5, 500
Looks reasonably nice, could be a deal at half the ask https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1505029776959945 -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS ESP light on ML500
Ahh, good thought. Connector Might have gotten jarred loose on the bumps. I’ll check it in the morning —FT Sent from my iPad > On Oct 8, 2021, at 8:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Brake lite switch > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 8, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I was driving today to visit the girl child towing my trailer with the 95 >> E320 on it. Ran over a particularly rough patch of road, more so than the >> usual and the BAS ESP warning light came on. When I got here I shut off the >> car and started it up later and the light went off after a minute. I wonder >> if that bumpy ride shook a sensor loose or upset the nanny. >> >> --FT >> Sent from iFōn >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS ESP light on ML500
Brake lite switch Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 8, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was driving today to visit the girl child towing my trailer with the 95 > E320 on it. Ran over a particularly rough patch of road, more so than the > usual and the BAS ESP warning light came on. When I got here I shut off the > car and started it up later and the light went off after a minute. I wonder > if that bumpy ride shook a sensor loose or upset the nanny. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS ESP light on ML500
On 2021-10-08 20:25, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: I was driving today to visit the girl child towing my trailer with the 95 E320 on it. Ran over a particularly rough patch of road, more so than the usual and the BAS ESP warning light came on. When I got here I shut off the car and started it up later and the light went off after a minute. I wonder if that bumpy ride shook a sensor loose or upset the nanny. The leaky tire in my 2003 does that. I used to be able to blow it up every 2-3 months, now it sets the nanny light in two weeks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] BAS ESP light on ML500
I was driving today to visit the girl child towing my trailer with the 95 E320 on it. Ran over a particularly rough patch of road, more so than the usual and the BAS ESP warning light came on. When I got here I shut off the car and started it up later and the light went off after a minute. I wonder if that bumpy ride shook a sensor loose or upset the nanny. --FT Sent from iFōn ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS hybrid LorEn and Janis
Ohh man you so gotta get with it man, it's like such a lame version, us hip cats go with this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PecJh0_mCNgfeature=related Hendrik who must resist the evil temptation that is online videos On 13/05/12 13:08, OK Don wrote: THe singing in that video requires this follow-up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORGaACYbAk0feature=related ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
Agreed... I've experienced all the BAS stuff, and modern presafe features in the latest S class. When you experience them, its very impressive. You start to understand why modern cars as so much safer than ones from just a few years ago. They do things you can't and react faster than you can. If I could afford it, my wife and 1year old son would be driving around in a new S class and nothing else. Jaime On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:55 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: One more reason to own an old Benz. If I stab the brakes to just miss a deer running in front of me I surely don't want the car to decide that I need to brake more. Too bad folks just can't take the time to learn to drive well instead of depending on the car to make up for their shortcomings... Piffle. Brake assist measures the speed of the brake application and decides if it's a panic stop and if so applies full braking. The instant the driver backs off the brakes revert to normal. MB did some kind of study and determined that few drivers apply the brakes hard enough in a panic situation. I am on my second BAS car and have felt it in action plenty of times. There are no down sides to it and my C300 will outbrake any of my former MBs. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com writes: Agreed... I've experienced all the BAS stuff, and modern presafe features in the latest S class. When you experience them, its very impressive. You start to understand why modern cars as so much safer than ones from just a few years ago. They do things you can't and react faster than you can. On the other hand there are some studies that suggest that people individually have a certain internal risk tolerance and if you give them safety systems like all-wheel drive and ABS and radar and night vision, etc. they will just drive more aggressively up to the point where their internal sense of risk is back at its limit, at least partially offsetting the benefit of the safety systems. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
On the other hand there are some studies that suggest that people individually have a certain internal risk tolerance and if you give them safety systems like all-wheel drive and ABS and radar and night vision, etc. they will just drive more aggressively up to the point where their internal sense of risk is back at its limit, at least partially offsetting the benefit of the safety systems. Allan Which caused one motorjournalist to suggest the following safety equipment: Remove the driver seat belt and air bag. Replace the air bag with a big steel spike in the center of the steering wheel. I bet drivers would ram into a lot less stuff that way. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: On the other hand there are some studies that suggest that people individually have a certain internal risk tolerance and if you give them safety systems like all-wheel drive and ABS and radar and night vision, etc. they will just drive more aggressively up to the point where their internal sense of risk is back at its limit, at least partially offsetting the benefit of the safety systems. Especially true, I'd guess, of stability control, which is so often described as making this Ferrari or that Porsche seem to defy the laws of physics when cornering---the key word being seem. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
Makes sense, but I look at it from the perspective of my wife or mother behind the wheel. They don't necessarily understand these technologies, or even know they exist, but they certainly would benefit from them in the right situation. Jaime On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com writes: Agreed... I've experienced all the BAS stuff, and modern presafe features in the latest S class. When you experience them, its very impressive. You start to understand why modern cars as so much safer than ones from just a few years ago. They do things you can't and react faster than you can. On the other hand there are some studies that suggest that people individually have a certain internal risk tolerance and if you give them safety systems like all-wheel drive and ABS and radar and night vision, etc. they will just drive more aggressively up to the point where their internal sense of risk is back at its limit, at least partially offsetting the benefit of the safety systems. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
Oh, you're describing a 1950's car with one of the speed steering ball things (forgot the name of them) clamped onto the steering wheel. Thise things punctured a lot of chested before they were out-lawed or made not applicable by power steering. That didn't stop drivers from ramming each other back then, why would it now? There's a quote from Albert Einstein that goes something like this, 'only the universe and human stupidity are infinite, and I'm not certain about the first one.' On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:32 PM, m...@voyager.net wrote: Which caused one motorjournalist to suggest the following safety equipment: Remove the driver seat belt and air bag. Replace the air bag with a big steel spike in the center of the steering wheel. I bet drivers would ram into a lot less stuff that way. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
Steering knob. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] BAS Oh, you're describing a 1950's car with one of the speed steering ball things (forgot the name of them) clamped onto the steering wheel. Thise things punctured a lot of chested before they were out-lawed or made not applicable by power steering. That didn't stop drivers from ramming each other back then, why would it now? There's a quote from Albert Einstein that goes something like this, 'only the universe and human stupidity are infinite, and I'm not certain about the first one.' On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:32 PM, m...@voyager.net wrote: Which caused one motorjournalist to suggest the following safety equipment: Remove the driver seat belt and air bag. Replace the air bag with a big steel spike in the center of the steering wheel. I bet drivers would ram into a lot less stuff that way. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS class snobbery
See I am not greedy, I'd settle for an Diesel E wagon if the MB fairy left one in the drive. http://www2.mercedes-benz.com.au/content/australia/mpc/mpc_australia__website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/e-class/_s212/facts_/engines/dieselengines.html Did I mention it has two Lanchester balance shafts, whatever they might be. Pretty impressive what they can pull out of a 2.1 litre Diesel these days. And for those who don't believe in the Benz fairy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jdQPg08orofeature=youtu.behd=1 Hendrik who is having his 42 or 43rd b day today On 13/05/12 21:23, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Agreed... I've experienced all the BAS stuff, and modern presafe features in the latest S class. When you experience them, its very impressive. You start to understand why modern cars as so much safer than ones from just a few years ago. They do things you can't and react faster than you can. If I could afford it, my wife and 1year old son would be driving around in a new S class and nothing else. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS class snobbery
Hendrik who is having his 42 or 43rd b day today Happy Birfday! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
One more reason to own an old Benz. If I stab the brakes to just miss a deer running in front of me I surely don't want the car to decide that I need to brake more. Too bad folks just can't take the time to learn to drive well instead of depending on the car to make up for their shortcomings... Piffle. Brake assist measures the speed of the brake application and decides if it's a panic stop and if so applies full braking. The instant the driver backs off the brakes revert to normal. MB did some kind of study and determined that few drivers apply the brakes hard enough in a panic situation. I am on my second BAS car and have felt it in action plenty of times. There are no down sides to it and my C300 will outbrake any of my former MBs. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
I think the system measures the speed at which the accelerator pedal is released and the time between the foot leaving the accelerator and touching the brakes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_assist http://4x4abc.com/4WD101/BAS_how.html However it also senses the speed at which the brake pedal is pushed because if you are using cruise control the foot is not on the go fast pedal. Also it has to be considered that you may see the deer too late, or your reactions are not what they used to be and having the car provide extra stopping power might be the difference between a near miss and a bad accident. Another factor is that some ladies do not have the same strength in their legs as men and will not be able to push as hard on the stop pedal. Basically I can't see how this is a bad system. Yes I can understand that if some stoner sits up your backside and has spongy brakes in his kombi, he will more than likely bash into the back of you but that is likely to happen BAS or not. And having unsecured things in a car cabin is a silly thing to do but we all do em, also I generally place them in the front footwell or on the rear seat. Hendrik who has to do his BAS On 13/05/12 10:25, relng...@aol.com wrote: One more reason to own an old Benz. If I stab the brakes to just miss a deer running in front of me I surely don't want the car to decide that I need to brake more. Too bad folks just can't take the time to learn to drive well instead of depending on the car to make up for their shortcomings... Piffle. Brake assist measures the speed of the brake application and decides if it's a panic stop and if so applies full braking. The instant the driver backs off the brakes revert to normal. MB did some kind of study and determined that few drivers apply the brakes hard enough in a panic situation. I am on my second BAS car and have felt it in action plenty of times. There are no down sides to it and my C300 will outbrake any of my former MBs. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
Perhaps on of the auto makers could design an air bag system to protect the car as well as the occupants. Like an airbag out the rear bumper to reduce the impact in rear end collisions. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: I think the system measures the speed at which the accelerator pedal is released and the time between the foot leaving the accelerator and touching the brakes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Brake_assisthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_assist http://4x4abc.com/4WD101/BAS_**how.htmlhttp://4x4abc.com/4WD101/BAS_how.html However it also senses the speed at which the brake pedal is pushed because if you are using cruise control the foot is not on the go fast pedal. Also it has to be considered that you may see the deer too late, or your reactions are not what they used to be and having the car provide extra stopping power might be the difference between a near miss and a bad accident. Another factor is that some ladies do not have the same strength in their legs as men and will not be able to push as hard on the stop pedal. Basically I can't see how this is a bad system. Yes I can understand that if some stoner sits up your backside and has spongy brakes in his kombi, he will more than likely bash into the back of you but that is likely to happen BAS or not. And having unsecured things in a car cabin is a silly thing to do but we all do em, also I generally place them in the front footwell or on the rear seat. Hendrik who has to do his BAS On 13/05/12 10:25, relng...@aol.com wrote: One more reason to own an old Benz. If I stab the brakes to just miss a deer running in front of me I surely don't want the car to decide that I need to brake more. Too bad folks just can't take the time to learn to drive well instead of depending on the car to make up for their shortcomings... Piffle. Brake assist measures the speed of the brake application and decides if it's a panic stop and if so applies full braking. The instant the driver backs off the brakes revert to normal. MB did some kind of study and determined that few drivers apply the brakes hard enough in a panic situation. I am on my second BAS car and have felt it in action plenty of times. There are no down sides to it and my C300 will outbrake any of my former MBs. RLE __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
On May 12, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps on of the auto makers could design an air bag system to protect the car as well as the occupants. They sell more new cars, if the car is destroyed, but the occupants walk away unscathed. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
Braking news... Hendrik and Roger agree on something... Loren? Rick Sent from my iPhone. On May 12, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: I think the system measures the speed at which the accelerator pedal is released and the time between the foot leaving the accelerator and touching the brakes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_assist http://4x4abc.com/4WD101/BAS_how.html However it also senses the speed at which the brake pedal is pushed because if you are using cruise control the foot is not on the go fast pedal. Also it has to be considered that you may see the deer too late, or your reactions are not what they used to be and having the car provide extra stopping power might be the difference between a near miss and a bad accident. Another factor is that some ladies do not have the same strength in their legs as men and will not be able to push as hard on the stop pedal. Basically I can't see how this is a bad system. Yes I can understand that if some stoner sits up your backside and has spongy brakes in his kombi, he will more than likely bash into the back of you but that is likely to happen BAS or not. And having unsecured things in a car cabin is a silly thing to do but we all do em, also I generally place them in the front footwell or on the rear seat. Hendrik who has to do his BAS On 13/05/12 10:25, relng...@aol.com wrote: One more reason to own an old Benz. If I stab the brakes to just miss a deer running in front of me I surely don't want the car to decide that I need to brake more. Too bad folks just can't take the time to learn to drive well instead of depending on the car to make up for their shortcomings... Piffle. Brake assist measures the speed of the brake application and decides if it's a panic stop and if so applies full braking. The instant the driver backs off the brakes revert to normal. MB did some kind of study and determined that few drivers apply the brakes hard enough in a panic situation. I am on my second BAS car and have felt it in action plenty of times. There are no down sides to it and my C300 will outbrake any of my former MBs. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS bags
Jah Volvo haz thez for the walking person on the road http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1074018_volvo-v40-gives-pedestrians-airbags-too-video On a more serious note the wuzzbag so and so's are at it again in the great nation of Oz, http://www.caradvice.com.au/100547/australians-face-bullbar-ban/ the nanny state has been busy bashing the smokers into a corner, drinking anything more than half a beer a week is deadly and now the kangaroos will have airbags to soften the blow. Hendrik who used to have a bull bar on the patrol but still drinks and smokes..cough cough On 13/05/12 11:36, Brian Toscano wrote: Perhaps on of the auto makers could design an air bag system to protect the car as well as the occupants. Like an airbag out the rear bumper to reduce the impact in rear end collisions. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS hybrid LorEn
I take it the braking news was intentional? I think Loren is too busy with the mid life crisis machine to worry about us and our views. If I forget, 52nd Happy B day Loren, I would make you a bday card but by the time Kaleb approves it you'll have to add another 1 to it. Anyway here is ze winner of the luxury hybrid battle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD8J9nceOQsfeature=youtu.be Hendrik whose E is not that silent On 13/05/12 12:12, Rick Knoble wrote: Braking news... Hendrik and Roger agree on something... Loren? Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
That's actually an excellent idea! It would save lives as well. Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 10:06 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps on of the auto makers could design an air bag system to protect the car as well as the occupants. Like an airbag out the rear bumper to reduce the impact in rear end collisions. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: I think the system measures the speed at which the accelerator pedal is released and the time between the foot leaving the accelerator and touching the brakes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Brake_assisthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_assist http://4x4abc.com/4WD101/BAS_**how.htmlhttp://4x4abc.com/4WD101/BAS_how.html However it also senses the speed at which the brake pedal is pushed because if you are using cruise control the foot is not on the go fast pedal. Also it has to be considered that you may see the deer too late, or your reactions are not what they used to be and having the car provide extra stopping power might be the difference between a near miss and a bad accident. Another factor is that some ladies do not have the same strength in their legs as men and will not be able to push as hard on the stop pedal. Basically I can't see how this is a bad system. Yes I can understand that if some stoner sits up your backside and has spongy brakes in his kombi, he will more than likely bash into the back of you but that is likely to happen BAS or not. And having unsecured things in a car cabin is a silly thing to do but we all do em, also I generally place them in the front footwell or on the rear seat. Hendrik who has to do his BAS On 13/05/12 10:25, relng...@aol.com wrote: One more reason to own an old Benz. If I stab the brakes to just miss a deer running in front of me I surely don't want the car to decide that I need to brake more. Too bad folks just can't take the time to learn to drive well instead of depending on the car to make up for their shortcomings... Piffle. Brake assist measures the speed of the brake application and decides if it's a panic stop and if so applies full braking. The instant the driver backs off the brakes revert to normal. MB did some kind of study and determined that few drivers apply the brakes hard enough in a panic situation. I am on my second BAS car and have felt it in action plenty of times. There are no down sides to it and my C300 will outbrake any of my former MBs. RLE __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS
A friend of mine used to complain that ABS was bullshit because he could control the brakes better than any computer could. Last I heard he was in jail for rear ending a cop while intoxicated (not the cop). The more a car does on it's own the better off we all are in my opinion. -Dave Walton On May 12, 2012, at 8:55 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: One more reason to own an old Benz. If I stab the brakes to just miss a deer running in front of me I surely don't want the car to decide that I need to brake more. Too bad folks just can't take the time to learn to drive well instead of depending on the car to make up for their shortcomings... Piffle. Brake assist measures the speed of the brake application and decides if it's a panic stop and if so applies full braking. The instant the driver backs off the brakes revert to normal. MB did some kind of study and determined that few drivers apply the brakes hard enough in a panic situation. I am on my second BAS car and have felt it in action plenty of times. There are no down sides to it and my C300 will outbrake any of my former MBs. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Except shift gears. Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: A friend of mine used to complain that ABS was bullshit because he could control the brakes better than any computer could. Last I heard he was in jail for rear ending a cop while intoxicated (not the cop). The more a car does on it's own the better off we all are in my opinion. -Dave Walton On May 12, 2012, at 8:55 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: One more reason to own an old Benz. If I stab the brakes to just miss a deer running in front of me I surely don't want the car to decide that I need to brake more. Too bad folks just can't take the time to learn to drive well instead of depending on the car to make up for their shortcomings... Piffle. Brake assist measures the speed of the brake application and decides if it's a panic stop and if so applies full braking. The instant the driver backs off the brakes revert to normal. MB did some kind of study and determined that few drivers apply the brakes hard enough in a panic situation. I am on my second BAS car and have felt it in action plenty of times. There are no down sides to it and my C300 will outbrake any of my former MBs. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS hybrid LorEn
THe singing in that video requires this follow-up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORGaACYbAk0feature=related On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: I take it the braking news was intentional? I think Loren is too busy with the mid life crisis machine to worry about us and our views. If I forget, 52nd Happy B day Loren, I would make you a bday card but by the time Kaleb approves it you'll have to add another 1 to it. Anyway here is ze winner of the luxury hybrid battle http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=LD8J9nceOQsfeature=youtu.behttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD8J9nceOQsfeature=youtu.be Hendrik whose E is not that silent On 13/05/12 12:12, Rick Knoble wrote: Braking news... Hendrik and Roger agree on something... Loren? Rick Sent from my iPhone. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BAS hybrid LorEn
I take it the braking news was intentional? Yup. A play on words, if you will. If I forget, 52nd Happy B day Loren I'm 53, no wonder I'm becoming more of a curmudgeon. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
