I use a headlight modulator on my BMW K1200LT. It flashes the headlight during
daylight hours. Couple that with my riding style, which is: Always assume the
driver can't see you. We had a driving method taught by my basic motorcycle
instructor: Think what if. What if the car next to me
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A guy I work with has a neighbor like this - he uses a weedwacker to mow is
front lawn once a week in the summer at around 5:30am. Takes him about 30
minutes, and looks like crap when
Huh? You are either not a biker or you live in the wrong part of the
country. I know, not too many bikers get killed on I-395. I lived there
myself (Lake Ridge VA).
I offer you bed breakfast next year on your way to Sturgis. I guarantee
you at least one fatality on a Harley.
On 1/27/06,
I can only answer from my own experience.
I ride very defensively (since an idiot t-boned me coming out of a stop sign
in 1976.)
I always assume that no one sees me. Even if I make eye contact with the
driver at an intersection, I am not seen. Here is my formula: car in an area
of danger =
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What about the idiot neighbor who insists on running the mower, leaf
blower, weed whacker, etc at 0600? At least the guy with loud pipes is
gone in 60 seconds or so, not so this idiot who mows, blows, whacks for
hours.
Tim C wrote
we had one just this year - right in town. There was no car involved -
the idiot didn't need any help. Too fast is too fast, regardless of
the noise.
I guarantee you at least one fatality on a Harley.
On 1/27/06, Rhonald Angelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had always said, I
never knew of
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bike Rider, Loud Pipes
What about the idiot neighbor who insists on running the mower, leaf
blower, weed whacker, etc at 0600? At least the guy with loud pipes is
gone in 60 seconds or so, not so this idiot who mows, blows, whacks for
hours.
Tim C wrote:
Wow, I seem
James Jetton wrote:
What about the idiot neighbor who insists on running the mower, leaf blower,
weed whacker, etc at 0600?
They're just as annoying, yup. But at least they aren't making noise
just to show how cool they are, like bikers and boomer cars.
There are situations where open
OK Don wrote:
we had one just this year - right in town. There was no car involved -
the idiot didn't need any help. Too fast is too fast, regardless of
the noise.
One motorcyclist slammed into the back of a boat trailer next to an
airport I used to frequent. The driver of the truck
On 1/27/06, John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James Jetton wrote:
What about the idiot neighbor who insists on running the mower, leaf
blower, weed whacker, etc at 0600? At least the guy with loud pipes is gone
in 60 seconds or so, not so this idiot who mows, blows, whacks for hours.
At 08:16 PM 1/27/2006, Lt Don wrote:
(snip)
I always assume that no one sees me. Even if I make eye contact with the
driver at an intersection, I am not seen.
(snip)
Why not wear a blaze orange vest like the deer hunters do?
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On 1/27/06, John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James Jetton wrote:
What about the idiot neighbor who insists on running
On Saturday 28 January 2006 8:02, Peter T. Arnold wrote:
I've seen fellows pull wheelie's at 70MPH on the interstate to impress
a pretty girl in a car. Some will run several hundred feet that way!
That's how nature weeds out the foolish
theres old ones, and there's bold ones, but
Science says you can have brains OR balls:
http://tinyurl.com/c24fq
On Jan 28, 2006, at 10:19 AM, lee wrote:
On Saturday 28 January 2006 8:02, Peter T. Arnold wrote:
I've seen fellows pull wheelie's at 70MPH on the interstate to
impress
a pretty girl in a car. Some will run several
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OK Don wrote:
we had one just this year - right in town. There was no car involved -
the idiot didn't need any help. Too fast is too fast, regardless of
the noise.
One motorcyclist slammed
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OK Don wrote:
we had one just this year - right in town. There was no car involved -
the idiot didn't need any help. Too fast is too fast, regardless
the
sane man must appear insane.../ / Tom
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Try a little experiment. Next time a fly is buzzing
Are you having fun yet?
T
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car's noises as well as everything else
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Put a few hundred thousand miles on a motorcycle and you might change
your mind
Are you having fun yet?
Tim C, I am loving it, how bout you? Beats hanging out at pool halls../Tom
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Kaleb:
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hmmm, will see
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Kaleb:
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Actually, I like BenzBiker much better.
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hmmm, will see
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Kaleb:
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Are you having fun yet?
T
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Only if you find a Mercedes motorcycle! It might be possible according to:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/18nov00motorcyclegps.html
On 1/26/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, I like BenzBiker much better.
On 1/27/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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OK Don, KD5NRO
OK Don wrote:
Only if you find a Mercedes motorcycle!
I saw pics of a Porsche motorcycle in either Cycle or Cycle World
in the 1970's. IIRC, it was a 914 engine, most of the motorcycle
parts were from a BMW.
Speaking of a Mercedes motorcycles - these are the closest I could find --
http://www.gizmag.com/go/3628/
http://www.gizmag.com/go/3834/
The life jet is rather interesting ---
On 1/26/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Only if you find a Mercedes motorcycle! It might be possible according
daily banter? Quit lying to yourself!
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:49:35 -0600, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is traffic. Not the daily banter like banned and, to a certain
extent,
here. But questions are posed and answers are given. The Linux list, much
like the biodiesel list, is a
No joke on the LA trafic, I drove a bus in that town for a few years,
that was a test of nerves, although I had one friend who was never
bothered by it...he drove a semi in Mexico City for 15 years, LA traffic
was a vacation for him.
at midnight when everyone is doing 85, you'd better too. I
If you'd been driving a 240D, you would have had a perfectly logical
explanation.
On 1/27/06, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No joke on the LA trafic, I drove a bus in that town for a few years,
that was a test of nerves, although I had one friend who was never
bothered by
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No joke on the LA trafic, I drove a bus in that town for a few years, that
was a test of nerves, although I had one friend who was never
Naw, if I'd been driving a 240D he probably would have given me a ticket
for obstructing traffic :-D
Robert
LT Don wrote:
If you'd been driving a 240D, you would have had a perfectly logical
explanation.
On 1/27/06, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No joke on
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Reminds me of Atlanta. I've lost count of the times I've been running with
traffic in the bypass @ 90 MPH, with the poluce sitting on the median,
watching. The speed limit is 55.
I remember that from last time I was down there. The only other place
I've seen traffic
Tim C wrote:
Wow, I seem to have touched a nerve.
Noise tends to do that. After a while people get tired of being woken
up at night by exhaust noise rattling their windows.
Hans Neureiter wrote:
You ride down a long and sraight country road. A quarter mile down sits a
farmtractor in a ddrive, ready to pull onto the road. Oncoming is a car. As
soon the car goes by, he pulls out. Never payd attention to the bike. Crash.
If he would have heard you he might have
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Hans Neureiter wrote:
You ride down a long and sraight country road. A quarter mile down sits
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James Jetton wrote:
What about the idiot neighbor who insists on running the mower, leaf blower,
weed whacker, etc at 0600? At least the guy with loud pipes is gone in 60
seconds or so, not so this idiot who mows, blows, whacks for hours.
Yet another problem with society these days - you
This thred is like a cork screw. From a clip of a crazy biker with a death
wish (he got his wish) to loud pipes we wind up fuzzing about annoying
neighbours. The original topic escaped discussion.
James Jetton wrote:
What about the idiot neighbor who insists on running the mower, leaf
hear for miles
so 60 seconds is not always a good time span.
Hope this helps/Tom
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What about the idiot neighbor who
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could hear him for about 3/4 of a mile away - he stated that cars
If that thinking is true let
Tim C wrote:
Actually, loud pipes let cars (mostly driven by blithering idiots who fail
to see anything smaller than a Suburban) know you're there.
That Loud Pipes Saves Lives mentality is based in junk science. The only time
you can hear them at highway speeds is when the bike is in front
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Actually, loud pipes let cars (mostly driven by blithering idiots who fail
to see anything smaller than a Suburban) know you're there. A friend had
an
obnoxiously loud bike (he bought
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Actually, loud pipes let cars (mostly driven by blithering idiots who
fail
to see anything smaller than a Suburban
of situational awareness or knowledge of car control or the
responsibility thereof.
T
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Tim C wrote:
Oh, and you also left out every other situation (e.g, cars often pull out in
front of bikes) where loud pipes can be of benefit.
No, I didn't. Driver error in this instance is due to lack of proper operation
of the vehicle - checking blind spots, failure to adequately judge
On 1/26/06, John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That Loud Pipes Saves Lives mentality is based in junk science
There is definately an advantage to be noisy. It's annoying, thus it gets
attention.
People are to self-involved, so they ignore inconvemiences, like yielding
to a bike.
You got to
On 1/26/06, John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The systemic problem is improperly, poorly, and/or inadequately trained
drivers
on the roadways. The only way loud pipes will help to reverse this is if you
stop using them for their intended purposes and start beating stupid drivers
with
can save lives, but they don't have to be ear-splitting and
obnoxious to do so.
(flame suit on)
:)
-dm
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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:23:38 -0800
From: Tim C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes
Actually, loud pipes let cars (mostly driven
Tim C wrote:
Oh, and you also left out every other situation (e.g, cars
often pull
out in front of bikes) where loud pipes can be of benefit.
No, I didn't. Driver error in this instance is due to lack
of proper operation
of the vehicle - checking blind spots, failure to adequately
6am when somebody cranks one up and I'm trying to sleep.
Amen thanks Curt!/Tom
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Ahh the old Loud pipes save lives
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could hear him for about 3/4 of a mile away - he stated that
cars
If that thinking is true let us have every vehicle/truck/car
on the roads
have no muffler then we would be really safe and could hear
, January 26, 2006 12:52 PM
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Tim C wrote:
Oh, and you also left out every other situation (e.g, cars
often pull
out in front of bikes) where loud pipes can be of benefit.
No, I didn't. Driver error in this instance is due to lack
of proper operation
On 1/26/06, John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tim C wrote:
Oh, and you also left out every other situation (e.g, cars often pull
out in
front of bikes) where loud pipes can be of benefit.
No, I didn't. Driver error in this instance is due to lack of proper
operation
of the vehicle -
On 1/26/06, Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why not have every vehicle loud, i.e. cars, trucks ships, airplanes
ect.in every city every town.
I do 45,000 to 55,000 miles a year in a car and I never fail to see a bike
coming, especially with head lights on.
Bikers had an advantage
be able to
survive Houston traffic without a problem.
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... The only way loud pipes
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To: Mercedes Discussion List
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T may have said They let the idiot know you're there, when
they might well
miss you.
So again my question if this theory holds true, why not have
every vehicle
loud, i.e
how cool he thinks he is...
-Curt
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:23:38 -0800
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Actually, loud pipes
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That Loud Pipes Saves Lives mentality is based in junk science. The only time
you can hear them at highway speeds is when the bike is in front of you, because
the pipes point to the rear of the bike! All it is is pointless
Dave M. wrote:
Not entirely true. Might I recommend:
Dave, you and I are talking apples and oranges. The loud pipes most people are
complaining about are the kind slapped on to the side of some clap-trap Harley.
There is a huge difference in a performance exhaust that is louder than stock
On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 11:30:12AM -0500, John Ervine wrote:
The only time you can hear them at highway speeds is when the bike is in
front of you, because the pipes point to the rear of the bike!
It's actually worse than that. CHP's sirens are often difficult to hear
on the highway until they
On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 01:25:17PM -0600, Robert Tara Ludwick wrote:
Houston during rush hour...one of the few places where is it even scary
to drive a semi!
No. LA, saturday night at about midnight. Eastbound on I-10 from I-5 in
the crown victoria, bumper to bumper traffic almost all the way
Unless you like torque.
T
Besides, if someone wanted increased performance, they
wouldn't have bought a
Harley to begin with! ;-)
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1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
1980 300TD 170+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi
I assume you do not see many normally aspirated old MB diesels out there.
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No. LA, saturday night at about midnight. Eastbound on I-10 from I-5 in
the crown victoria, bumper to bumper traffic almost all the way out to
SR-57, GOING 85 MPH.
Don't sneeze, don't change
How do you know -- maybe you just didn't see it. The guy who t-boned me on
my Suzuki in 1976 swore to the cop that I wasn't where I was when he hit me
when he hit me.
On 1/26/06, Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do 45,000 to 55,000 miles a year in a car and I never fail to see a bike
although at idle
the Honda is much quieter.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:06:53 -0500
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to be a bit smarter - my old Benz is my substitute for the
bike now).
Randy
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How do you know
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