Re: [MBZ] bio-diesel again

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

In the interest of world peace, I volunteer to exchange places and stay at
one of her $MM homes so she can return to China.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:46 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I believe she had two or three nice homes in the Vancouver area, didn’t
> she? Tough place to be under house arrest.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Aug 28, 2019, at 4:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, Canada grabbed the daughter of the Huawei company founder at the
> request of the USA. You folks are trying to extradite her to face charges
> of selling US products to Iran. She is likely just a figure head who was
> shown as the president of the corporation that did it and had no real idea
> of what the company was doing. The recently released video of her arrest
> has her looking rather confused and it is pretty likely that she had no
> real clue.
> >
> > In any event, she is on house arrest and waiting for the extradition
> hearings to be held. She has more than one million dollar plus house in
> Vancouver and is living in one of them while she waits.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > On 28/08/2019 3:17 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> She was an SVP for Huawei I believe. Might still be in the slammer.
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Ooh, you're right!  'Nother reason to be critical.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On August 28, 2019 7:01:14 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>What about road taxes for electric vehicles?
>

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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Craig,
Exactly like the attached article.. which lauds how easy it is, with simple
chemistry, etc etc... it is not.
The first presumption is, you get a 100% reaction with all the chemical
agents in the mix, which, if you have ever done serious chemistry, never
happens.
Second, home brew is centered around "used and free veggie oil" which is
contaminated with multiple by products of the cooking operation. All which
alter the chemistry of the oil, and inject other materials, none which are
desireable, like animal fats, burning of the oil, and water. Water content
makes very bad Home Brew BioDiesel, along with rancid oil.

To have good chemistry, you have to start with good chemicals, in a tightly
controlled process. Making spec BioDiesel is a chemical refining of the
base stock, which also needs to be "known material". You have to know the
chemistry of the base oil to induce the reaction which makes spec
BioDiesel..

Almost, is only good enough if you are doing it for your own private use,
and are ready to sacrifice the vehicle when it goes wrong. If you are doing
it as a commercial enterprise, better hold a much tighter rein on
everything to make a reliable end product..
[The voice of experience speaking.]


On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:06 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> Several states are building that into the plate fees now.
> $90 in Michigan for EVs, $30 for PHEVs.
> Should I tell them that the average Volt does more electric miles per year
> than most EVs, which don't get driven very far?
> What's funny is when the states that subsidized the purchase of the EVs
> with four digit tax rebates start punishing the same buyers with increased
> registration fees.
>
> Mitch.
> > On August 28, 2019 at 7:01 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What about road taxes for electric vehicles?
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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Several states are building that into the plate fees now. 
$90 in Michigan for EVs, $30 for PHEVs. 
Should I tell them that the average Volt does more electric miles per year than 
most EVs, which don't get driven very far?
What's funny is when the states that subsidized the purchase of the EVs with 
four digit tax rebates start punishing the same buyers with increased 
registration fees. 

Mitch. 
> On August 28, 2019 at 7:01 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> What about road taxes for electric vehicles?

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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

What about road taxes for electric vehicles?

> -Original Message-
> From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] bio diesel
> 
> Do they happen to put a cost on the labor hours required to "brew your own"?
> How about addressing the morality of avoiding road taxes that pay for the
> roads they drive one?
> 
> I know, I know, preaching to the choir, I'll stop now.
> -


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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 28, 2019 at 11:57 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> IIRC on the TDI the issue is that the DPF (diesel particulate filter) burns 
> the accumulated particles out by injecting extra fuel and something about bio 
> is incompatible.

I read a test of the 2020 Porsche Speedster today, and was surprised to learn 
that in EU it has a GPF. First I ever heard of such a thing. How much 
particulate makes it through a modern catalyst?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 There is, usually anyway, provision to pay the road tax you would otherwise be 
dodging with your homemade fuel.
Because I'm sure the average biodiesel brewer really wants to do that...
-Curt

On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 5:36:20 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Do they happen to put a cost on the labor hours required to "brew your
own"?  How about addressing the morality of avoiding road taxes that pay
for the roads they drive one?

I know, I know, preaching to the choir, I'll stop now.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 5:29 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 13:47:57 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > That follows my caution to only use DOT spec BioDiesel. Never home
> > brewed stuff... There has been a somewhat painful growth into BioDiesel
> > to make a spec fuel standard and get the buyers to understand what they
> > are buying.
> >
> > Early "home brew" folks did not do good chemistry, thus did not get good
> > results, which led to engine damage, injection pump damage, etc etc
> > etc On Specification BioDiesel holds much tighter refining
> > standards which eliminates the early industry home brew issues.
>
> You mean like the attached?  :-)
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Do they happen to put a cost on the labor hours required to "brew your
own"?  How about addressing the morality of avoiding road taxes that pay
for the roads they drive one?

I know, I know, preaching to the choir, I'll stop now.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 5:29 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 13:47:57 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > That follows my caution to only use DOT spec BioDiesel. Never home
> > brewed stuff... There has been a somewhat painful growth into BioDiesel
> > to make a spec fuel standard and get the buyers to understand what they
> > are buying.
> >
> > Early "home brew" folks did not do good chemistry, thus did not get good
> > results, which led to engine damage, injection pump damage, etc etc
> > etc On Specification BioDiesel holds much tighter refining
> > standards which eliminates the early industry home brew issues.
>
> You mean like the attached?  :-)
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[G Mann via Mercedes]

That follows my caution to only use DOT spec BioDiesel. Never home brewed
stuff... There has been a somewhat painful growth into BioDiesel to make a
spec fuel standard and get the buyers to understand what they are buying.

Early "home brew" folks did not do good chemistry, thus did not get good
results, which led to engine damage, injection pump damage, etc etc etc
On Specification BioDiesel holds much tighter refining standards which
eliminates the early industry home brew issues.

The one issue that remains is the gel point for B100, which remains higher
than "Dino Diesel". Something to keep in mind if you operate in freezing
temps.. . Seasonal adjustment would require switch to pump diesel, blended
to the "winter blend".

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 1:10 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:38:18 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > In general, the benefits of using 10% BioDiesel is that while Schedule
> > 52 Bio has slightly less BTU's per volume, it has higher relative
> > Cetane, which, when used as an additive to Schedule 54 "pump diesel"
> > low sulfur fuel, stimulates the burn rate so it burns more completely,
> > thus reducing emissions, as well as adding lubricity, pre injection, to
> > protect IP and injectors. plus some other positives.
> > The game changer for all of these benefits is influenced by the "new
> > diesel injection" systems, electronic timing control, injection charge
> > control, and of course DEF, [the moral equal to burning out your
> > fireplace chimney every few miles].
> > Do the research, gather facts as they apply to your application, your
> > decision as to using or not, certainly.
>
> See brochure attached.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] bio-diesel again

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I believe she had two or three nice homes in the Vancouver area, didn’t she? 
Tough place to be under house arrest.

-D


> On Aug 28, 2019, at 4:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Canada grabbed the daughter of the Huawei company founder at the request 
> of the USA. You folks are trying to extradite her to face charges of selling 
> US products to Iran. She is likely just a figure head who was shown as the 
> president of the corporation that did it and had no real idea of what the 
> company was doing. The recently released video of her arrest has her looking 
> rather confused and it is pretty likely that she had no real clue.
> 
> In any event, she is on house arrest and waiting for the extradition hearings 
> to be held. She has more than one million dollar plus house in Vancouver and 
> is living in one of them while she waits.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> On 28/08/2019 3:17 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>> She was an SVP for Huawei I believe. Might still be in the slammer.
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] bio-diesel again

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Yes, Canada grabbed the daughter of the Huawei company founder at the 
request of the USA. You folks are trying to extradite her to face 
charges of selling US products to Iran. She is likely just a figure head 
who was shown as the president of the corporation that did it and had no 
real idea of what the company was doing. The recently released video of 
her arrest has her looking rather confused and it is pretty likely that 
she had no real clue.


In any event, she is on house arrest and waiting for the extradition 
hearings to be held. She has more than one million dollar plus house in 
Vancouver and is living in one of them while she waits.


Randy


On 28/08/2019 3:17 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

She was an SVP for Huawei I believe. Might still be in the slammer.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 1:14 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Because of the diplomat they arrested

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:11 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


  Why is China refusing to buy from Canada?
-Curt

 On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 4:06:34 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via
Mercedes  wrote:

  My question arose because I just heard that Manitoba intends to make a
higher bio percentage mandatory. It is currently 2% and they intend to
increase it to 5% in an effort to help canola farmers who are suffering
because China refuses to buy from Canada these days.

I guess, based upon what you folks have said, that 5% is nothing to be
concerned about and may even be good for my old car engine.

Randy





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Re: [MBZ] bio-diesel again

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 13:17:01 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> She was an SVP for Huawei I believe. Might still be in the slammer.

SVP?

Senior Vice President?

Or one of these from https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/SVP?

Acronym Definition
SVP S'il Vous Plaît (French: Please)
SVP Senior Vice President
SVP Sony Vegas Pro
SVP St Vincent de Paul
SVP Schweizerische Volkspartei (Swiss People's Party)
SVP Social Venture Partners
SVP Sexually Violent Predator
SVP Strategic Value Partners (various locations)
SVP SmoothVideo Project (software)
SVP Service Processor
SVP Specific Vocational Preparation (Department of Labor)
SVP Specific Vocational Preparation
SVP SpectraLink Voice Priority
SVP Society of Vertebrate Paleontology
SVP Small Volume Parenteral
SVP Senior Volunteer Program (various organizations)
SVP Service Provider
SVP Simple Visual Profile
SVP Search Vista Platform
SVP Surface Vertical Package
SVP Sonique Visual Plug-in
SVP Spectralink Voice Prioritization
SVP Single Vulnerability Problem
SVP Südtiroler Volkspartei (People's Party of South
Tyrol/Altoadige)
SVP Saturated Vapor Pressure
SVP School Violence Prevention (various locations)
SVP Sustainable Value Proposition
SVP Switched Virtual Path
SVP Student Volunteer Program (National Institute of Standards and
Technology)
SVP Social Visit Pass (Singapore)
SVP soil and vent pipe
SVP Smallpox Vaccination Program
SVP Secure Video Processor
SVP Site Vice President (various companies)
SVP Supervised Visitation Program (various organizations)
SVP Stream Valley Park
SVP Sales Volume Planning
SVP Stored Value Product
SVP Sound Velocity Profile
SVP Software Validation Plan
SVP Single-Ventricle Palliation (cardiology)
SVP Software Validation Protocol
SVP Silicon Virtual Prototyping (computer chip design)
SVP Stable Value Protection
SVP Special Visibility Program
SVP System Verification Plan
SVP Small Value Purchase
SVP Southern Tyrols People's Party (Italy)
SVP Save Percentage (hockey goaltender stat)
SVP Secure Vault Payment (online payment processing)
SVP Significant Vernal Pool (habitat)
SVP SelectVideo Publishing
SVP Surface Velocity Programme (superseded by the GDP)
SVP Software Verification Plan
SVP Surge Voltage Protector
SVP Single Voyage Permit
SVP Shakopee Valley Printing (Minnesota printing company)
SVP Stride Value Predictor (computing)
SVP Stress Volume Performance
SVP Symantec Value Program
SVP Systeme mit Verteilten Parametern (German)
SVP Spontaneous Venous Pulsation
SVP Secure Virginia Panel
SVP Standardized VCR (Voluntary Compliance Resolution) Procedure
(US IRS)
SVP Schlechte Verlierer Partei (Switzerland)
SVP (combined) Soil & Vent Pipe (British building industry)
SVP Static-Classification Value Predictor
SVP Special Vehicle Program (Ford Motor Co.)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] bio-diesel again

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

It's a Canadian trade name. CANola. Blame Canada!

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 1:08 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] bio-diesel again

Whose bright idea was to bowdlerize rapeseed oil into canola oil?

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:06 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My question arose because I just heard that Manitoba intends to make a
> higher bio percentage mandatory. It is currently 2% and they intend to
> increase it to 5% in an effort to help canola farmers who are suffering
> because China refuses to buy from Canada these days.
>
> I guess, based upon what you folks have said, that 5% is nothing to be
> concerned about and may even be good for my old car engine.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] bio-diesel again

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's good for US consumers - price of cooking oil has been depressed ever
since.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:17 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> She was an SVP for Huawei I believe. Might still be in the slammer.
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 1:14 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Because of the diplomat they arrested
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:11 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > >  Why is China refusing to buy from Canada?
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 4:06:34 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via
> > > Mercedes  wrote:
> > >
> > >  My question arose because I just heard that Manitoba intends to make a
> > > higher bio percentage mandatory. It is currently 2% and they intend to
> > > increase it to 5% in an effort to help canola farmers who are suffering
> > > because China refuses to buy from Canada these days.
> > >
> > > I guess, based upon what you folks have said, that 5% is nothing to be
> > > concerned about and may even be good for my old car engine.
> > >
> > > Randy
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Re: [MBZ] bio-diesel again

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

She was an SVP for Huawei I believe. Might still be in the slammer.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 1:14 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Because of the diplomat they arrested
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:11 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  Why is China refusing to buy from Canada?
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 4:06:34 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >  My question arose because I just heard that Manitoba intends to make a
> > higher bio percentage mandatory. It is currently 2% and they intend to
> > increase it to 5% in an effort to help canola farmers who are suffering
> > because China refuses to buy from Canada these days.
> >
> > I guess, based upon what you folks have said, that 5% is nothing to be
> > concerned about and may even be good for my old car engine.
> >
> > Randy
> >
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Re: [MBZ] bio-diesel again

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Because of the diplomat they arrested

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:11 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Why is China refusing to buy from Canada?
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 4:06:34 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  My question arose because I just heard that Manitoba intends to make a
> higher bio percentage mandatory. It is currently 2% and they intend to
> increase it to 5% in an effort to help canola farmers who are suffering
> because China refuses to buy from Canada these days.
>
> I guess, based upon what you folks have said, that 5% is nothing to be
> concerned about and may even be good for my old car engine.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] bio-diesel again

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Why is China refusing to buy from Canada?
-Curt

On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 4:06:34 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 My question arose because I just heard that Manitoba intends to make a 
higher bio percentage mandatory. It is currently 2% and they intend to 
increase it to 5% in an effort to help canola farmers who are suffering 
because China refuses to buy from Canada these days.

I guess, based upon what you folks have said, that 5% is nothing to be 
concerned about and may even be good for my old car engine.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] bio-diesel again

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Whose bright idea was to bowdlerize rapeseed oil into canola oil?

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 4:06 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My question arose because I just heard that Manitoba intends to make a
> higher bio percentage mandatory. It is currently 2% and they intend to
> increase it to 5% in an effort to help canola farmers who are suffering
> because China refuses to buy from Canada these days.
>
> I guess, based upon what you folks have said, that 5% is nothing to be
> concerned about and may even be good for my old car engine.
>
> Randy
>
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[MBZ] bio-diesel again

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

My question arose because I just heard that Manitoba intends to make a 
higher bio percentage mandatory. It is currently 2% and they intend to 
increase it to 5% in an effort to help canola farmers who are suffering 
because China refuses to buy from Canada these days.


I guess, based upon what you folks have said, that 5% is nothing to be 
concerned about and may even be good for my old car engine.


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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[G Mann via Mercedes]

In general, the benefits of using 10% BioDiesel is that while Schedule 52
Bio has slightly less BTU's per volume, it has higher relative Cetane,
which, when used as an additive to Schedule 54 "pump diesel" low sulfur
fuel, stimulates the burn rate so it burns more completely, thus reducing
emissions, as well as adding lubricity, pre injection, to protect IP and
injectors. plus some other positives.
The game changer for all of these benefits is influenced by the "new diesel
injection" systems, electronic timing control, injection charge control,
and of course DEF, [the moral equal to burning out your fireplace chimney
every few miles].
Do the research, gather facts as they apply to your application, your
decision as to using or not, certainly.



On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:43 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Good to know. As I mentioned previously, I know nothing of biodiesel, and
> as a result of that would avoid using it until I could educate myself
> enough to determine if it was a viable alternative.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Aug 28, 2019, at 12:21 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Several scientific studies have been done which measured the lubrication
> > properties and benefits of all the lubricity materials on the open
> market,
> > including adding Marval Mystry Oil and even used engine oil.
> >
> > The comparison chart produced by those studies showed that in each case,
> > 10% BioDiesel gave more lubricant property. The caveat was, it had to be
> > BioDiesel that met schedule 52 DOT rating. NOT some "home brew biodiesel
> > concoction" with unknown and uncontrolled contents.
> >
> > It has been over 5 years since I last saw that report, but my best guess
> is
> > it still is available somewhere on line. At the time, I owned a DOT
> > approved Bio Diesel refinery with design capacity of 20M gallons per
> month,
> > so I kept current on such things.
> >
> > The addition of DEF engines and other changes have imposed limits on
> > universal use of Bio, currently. So, your use may be influenced by that,
> as
> > noted in another post above.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:00 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst. I don’t think bio anything would help
> >> lubricity, but then again, I don’t know a lot about it, as I would never
> >> put it in anything I own.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 28, 2019, at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There was a recent discussion about adding something to low sulphur
> >> diesel in order to add lubrication for the injection pump.
> >>>
> >>> Is my recollection correct, that using bio diesel was considered good
> as
> >> a means of adding lubrication?
> >>>
> >>> Randy
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good to know. As I mentioned previously, I know nothing of biodiesel, and as a 
result of that would avoid using it until I could educate myself enough to 
determine if it was a viable alternative.

-D


> On Aug 28, 2019, at 12:21 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Several scientific studies have been done which measured the lubrication
> properties and benefits of all the lubricity materials on the open market,
> including adding Marval Mystry Oil and even used engine oil.
> 
> The comparison chart produced by those studies showed that in each case,
> 10% BioDiesel gave more lubricant property. The caveat was, it had to be
> BioDiesel that met schedule 52 DOT rating. NOT some "home brew biodiesel
> concoction" with unknown and uncontrolled contents.
> 
> It has been over 5 years since I last saw that report, but my best guess is
> it still is available somewhere on line. At the time, I owned a DOT
> approved Bio Diesel refinery with design capacity of 20M gallons per month,
> so I kept current on such things.
> 
> The addition of DEF engines and other changes have imposed limits on
> universal use of Bio, currently. So, your use may be influenced by that, as
> noted in another post above.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:00 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst. I don’t think bio anything would help
>> lubricity, but then again, I don’t know a lot about it, as I would never
>> put it in anything I own.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2019, at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There was a recent discussion about adding something to low sulphur
>> diesel in order to add lubrication for the injection pump.
>>> 
>>> Is my recollection correct, that using bio diesel was considered good as
>> a means of adding lubrication?
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Several scientific studies have been done which measured the lubrication
properties and benefits of all the lubricity materials on the open market,
including adding Marval Mystry Oil and even used engine oil.

The comparison chart produced by those studies showed that in each case,
10% BioDiesel gave more lubricant property. The caveat was, it had to be
BioDiesel that met schedule 52 DOT rating. NOT some "home brew biodiesel
concoction" with unknown and uncontrolled contents.

It has been over 5 years since I last saw that report, but my best guess is
it still is available somewhere on line. At the time, I owned a DOT
approved Bio Diesel refinery with design capacity of 20M gallons per month,
so I kept current on such things.

The addition of DEF engines and other changes have imposed limits on
universal use of Bio, currently. So, your use may be influenced by that, as
noted in another post above.



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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst. I don’t think bio anything would help
> lubricity, but then again, I don’t know a lot about it, as I would never
> put it in anything I own.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Aug 28, 2019, at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > There was a recent discussion about adding something to low sulphur
> diesel in order to add lubrication for the injection pump.
> >
> > Is my recollection correct, that using bio diesel was considered good as
> a means of adding lubrication?
> >
> > Randy
> >
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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Randy, my understanding is the B5 or B10 has sufficient bio-diesel to
improve lubricity "enough" so that should no longer be a concern.

One pump local to me is B20 now, and another is either B20 or maybe B5,
haven't been to that one in a bit.

Bio-diesel has lower energy content compared to #2 pump diesel, so there is
a trade off of few MPG.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There was a recent discussion about adding something to low sulphur
> diesel in order to add lubrication for the injection pump.
>
> Is my recollection correct, that using bio diesel was considered good as
> a means of adding lubrication?
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst. I don’t think bio anything would help lubricity, 
but then again, I don’t know a lot about it, as I would never put it in 
anything I own.

-D


> On Aug 28, 2019, at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There was a recent discussion about adding something to low sulphur diesel in 
> order to add lubrication for the injection pump.
> 
> Is my recollection correct, that using bio diesel was considered good as a 
> means of adding lubrication?
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] bio diesel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 It is in older diesels but not acceptable for newer ones. My Jetta for 
instance doesn't want more than I think 10% bio. I think truck engines are 
similar.
IIRC on the TDI the issue is that the DPF (diesel particulate filter) burns the 
accumulated particles out by injecting extra fuel and something about bio is 
incompatible.
-Curt

On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 11:54:31 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 There was a recent discussion about adding something to low sulphur 
diesel in order to add lubrication for the injection pump.

Is my recollection correct, that using bio diesel was considered good as 
a means of adding lubrication?

Randy


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[MBZ] bio diesel

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

There was a recent discussion about adding something to low sulphur 
diesel in order to add lubrication for the injection pump.


Is my recollection correct, that using bio diesel was considered good as 
a means of adding lubrication?


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Bio diesel processing stuff convert cooking oil to run your trucks

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well thar ya go!   Floyd's BioDissel, fried swampNsea critters and used 
MB parts!  Time to hang out yer shingle(s).



ya kin fry them turkeys, turtles, bambi, gators, fish, eel, catfish and 
whatnot, then make hush puppies along the road, turn the used fry o'l 
inta Dissel, and sell parts you an Max knacker!   Shoot!  Ya kin 
probably use that cnc stuff to automate the breadin an fryin!All dem 
rich folk dat don cook gotta et som'ers.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
April 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM
https://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/6082893271.html

For some reason I am not compelled



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[MBZ] Bio diesel processing stuff convert cooking oil to run your trucks

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/6082893271.html

For some reason I am not compelled

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Re: [MBZ] Bio gas from pistachio shells

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

As a proud Boilermaker I need to share this story.  I had a roommate for 
awhile who was studying animal science or something, wanted to be a 
vet.  Anyway, one Saturday morning he comes home from some class or 
something and asks if I want to make $20 for a couple hours of work.  
Sure, that's good money.  Then he tells me we need to round up some 
sheep and put them in various pens, something to do with some study 
someone was doing at one of the farms.  I thought about it a bit, 
figured sheep were fairly docile and stupid so how hard could it be.  So 
I go out to the farm and meet him, some grad student there shows us this 
pen of maybe 40 sheep with tags on them, and where the particular ones 
needed to go into these pens.  No problem.


So we start in on grabbing sheep and trying to direct them into the 
pens.  3 things became rapidly apparent.  First there is no good place 
to grab a sheep even though they had not been sheared, they have oil in 
their wool that is sorta slippery and greasy.  Second, they were big and 
fairly strong and don't want to do anything you want them to do.  Third, 
they are fast when they run away and fight hard when you do catch them.


So this ends up taking maybe 4 hours, the girl gives us our $20. Beer 
money for the weekend.


I go get in the car, and after driving for a few minutes I realize I 
stink bad.  Like REALLY bad.  And the stank is getting in my car. So all 
windows down, that moderates it a bit.  I get back to the apartment and 
get to thinking that if I go in and leave my clothes there I will stink 
the place up.  So I run in and grab some other clothes and go down to 
the laundry room, shuck my clothes and throw them into the washer, then 
go back to take a shower, which required copious quantities of soap and 
hot water and shampoo, etc.


About the time I finish the roommate comes home, he is stinking too.  So 
I tell him to do what I did, he starts arguing with me about it, does 
not see what the issue is.  Being that he was a farm kid I get that, but 
I tell him he did not need to be stinking up the apartment.  he finally 
relents and takes his stuff down to the laundry too.  I think we had to 
run the clothes through 2 or 3 times.


Some time later I go meet my girlfriend to go out for supper or 
whatever, we're sitting around and she starts sniffing and going, 
eww what stinks.  So I say, ewe are right, it's ewe!  She 
says. Me?  No way! And I say, na it's not ewe, its me! so 
then the pun sorta loses it's relevance and I explain the whole sheep 
thing, which then deteriorates into feigned jealousy about my interest 
in sheep etc. such that later I had to prove my interest not in 
sheep but in her, at which point I shall end this story.


--R






On 11/21/14 5:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I worked on several biogas projects through Purdue University in the late 
70s/early 80s based at total confinement hog farms in the Lafayette, IN area. 
The smallest had roughly 2,000 head under one roof and it generated more than 
enough biogas to provide heat and power a standby generator.



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Re: [MBZ] Bio gas from pistachio shells

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Hee.  For that matter, most farm animals smell, no matter what they are….

I was always amazed at these total confinement places.  The one we did the most 
work with was an operation called “Tip Top Pigs” in Remington, IN, I believe, 
that was run by a father and a couple of his sons.  They also raised corn 
(popcorn) on the 600 or so acres that they owned as well.  This is an area 
where popcorn is the primary row crop for most large farm operations - Orville 
Redenbacher used to be a county agent in this area.

The place was surgically clean, and if we had to go into the building where the 
controls for our equipment were located, we had to shower and wear a bunny 
suit.  If we had a cold or were sick there was no entry.

The building where the pigs/hogs were located was this huge “U” shaped place, 
where the sows with their piglets were located at one end, and as the pigs grew 
they progressed down to through the building until they were ready for market 
at the far end.  Every couple of weeks they would move the pigs down to the 
next area in the building, which took the better part of a day to do with two 
people.

Feeding was automated with an overhead auger system and slots or drops where 
the proper amount of feed was released into troughs for each area based on the 
size of the pig in that area.

For the time it was pretty sophisticated, I thought.  There were people from 
Purdue out there regularly, although we didn’t interact with them much.  About 
the only time they got involved with us is when we worked on converting the 
generators over from LP to methane.  That wasn’t a big deal for us as we worked 
with all sorts of dry fuel systems, but they were pretty new to it so there was 
some back and forth over system design and tuning.

Dan



 On Nov 22, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 As a proud Boilermaker I need to share this story.  I had a roommate for 
 awhile who was studying animal science or something, wanted to be a vet.  
 Anyway, one Saturday morning he comes home from some class or something and 
 asks if I want to make $20 for a couple hours of work.  Sure, that's good 
 money.  Then he tells me we need to round up some sheep and put them in 
 various pens, something to do with some study someone was doing at one of the 
 farms.  I thought about it a bit, figured sheep were fairly docile and stupid 
 so how hard could it be.  So I go out to the farm and meet him, some grad 
 student there shows us this pen of maybe 40 sheep with tags on them, and 
 where the particular ones needed to go into these pens.  No problem.
 
 So we start in on grabbing sheep and trying to direct them into the pens.  3 
 things became rapidly apparent.  First there is no good place to grab a sheep 
 even though they had not been sheared, they have oil in their wool that is 
 sorta slippery and greasy.  Second, they were big and fairly strong and don't 
 want to do anything you want them to do.  Third, they are fast when they run 
 away and fight hard when you do catch them.
 
 So this ends up taking maybe 4 hours, the girl gives us our $20. Beer money 
 for the weekend.
 
 I go get in the car, and after driving for a few minutes I realize I stink 
 bad.  Like REALLY bad.  And the stank is getting in my car. So all windows 
 down, that moderates it a bit.  I get back to the apartment and get to 
 thinking that if I go in and leave my clothes there I will stink the place 
 up.  So I run in and grab some other clothes and go down to the laundry room, 
 shuck my clothes and throw them into the washer, then go back to take a 
 shower, which required copious quantities of soap and hot water and shampoo, 
 etc.
 
 About the time I finish the roommate comes home, he is stinking too.  So I 
 tell him to do what I did, he starts arguing with me about it, does not see 
 what the issue is.  Being that he was a farm kid I get that, but I tell him 
 he did not need to be stinking up the apartment.  he finally relents and 
 takes his stuff down to the laundry too.  I think we had to run the clothes 
 through 2 or 3 times.
 
 Some time later I go meet my girlfriend to go out for supper or whatever, 
 we're sitting around and she starts sniffing and going, eww what 
 stinks.  So I say, ewe are right, it's ewe!  She says. Me?  No way! And I 
 say, na it's not ewe, its me! so then the pun sorta loses it's 
 relevance and I explain the whole sheep thing, which then deteriorates into 
 feigned jealousy about my interest in sheep etc. such that later I had to 
 prove my interest not in sheep but in her, at which point I shall end this 
 story.
 
 --R
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 11/21/14 5:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 I worked on several biogas projects through Purdue University in the late 
 70s/early 80s based at total confinement hog farms in the Lafayette, IN 
 area. The smallest had roughly 2,000 head under one roof and it generated 
 more than enough biogas to 

[MBZ] Bio gas from pistachio shells

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What would you do with thousands of tons of leftover nutshells? It's a
question that Turkey — the world's third-biggest producer of pistachios,behind
Iran and the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistachio#Cultivation — has been asking
itself for years.

Usually discarded pistachio shells end up in landfills, but nut-loving
Turks think they've found a far better solution by turning it into biogas,
an alternative fuel produced by the breakdown of organic matter.

Now Turkey wants to use pistachio shells to power its first eco-city, which
will require fermenting tons of the green waste in so-called digesters, and
then using the resulting gases — mostly methane — to generate heat.
[image: A rendering of Turkey's first eco-city, will be founded between
Gaziantep and Kilis province on Turkey's border with Syria in the country's
southern Gaziantep region.]i
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/11/20/365315940/turkey-looks-for-energy-in-an-abundant-resource-pistachio-shells?utm_source=utm_medium=emailutm_campaign=11731#

A rendering of Turkey's first eco-city, will be founded between Gaziantep
and Kilis province on Turkey's border with Syria in the country's southern
Gaziantep region.
Anadolu Agency/Getty Images

The idea is not as odd as it sounds. For starters, the green city will be
built in what's arguably the best possible location: Gaziantep Province.
This southern region near the Syrian border is the heart of Turkey's
pistachio production, yielding more than half of the country's nuts.

When you plan such environment-friendly systems, you take a look at the
natural resources you have. So we thought the ecological city could be
heated by burning pistachio shells, explains Seda Muftuoglu Gulec, the
municipality's expert on green architecture. If the region was abundant in
wind power, we would use wind energy.

This peculiar source of energy is renewable and cheap because Turkey has
plenty of shells to go around, so much so that it exported 6,800 tons of
pistachios last year — 500 tons shy of the weight of the Eiffel Tower —
according to the Southeast Anatolia Exporters Union.

Experts say turning pistachios into biogas, while untested, is not only
technically feasible but also extremely convenient. Burgeap, the French
environmental engineering company http://www.burgeap.fr/ that first
proposed the idea to the government, claims that nutshells are the most
efficient source of alternative energy in the region and could satisfy up
to 60 percent of the city's heating needs.

The planned 7,900-acre, nut-fueled city will be six miles from the
province's capital city, Gaziantep, and is expected to become home to
200,000 people.

This is Turkey's first attempt at building an eco-city, and it will be the
only one in the world that's heated by pistachios — although in
Australiamacadamia
nutshells are already being turned into biomass
http://www.power-technology.com/projects/suncoast-gold/. Meanwhile, in
Monterrey, Mexico, the methane generated from decaying garbage
http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/04/biogas-from-garbage-powers-monterreys-city-lights/
 is being converted into electricity to illuminate city lights.
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Green cities being built in other countries are based on other renewable
sources. In China, for example, Tianjin Eco-city will be finished by 2020
http://www.tianjinecocity.gov.sg/, with most of its energy coming from
solar panels. In India, Narendra Modi wants to build Dholera, a smart
city twice the size of Mumbai
http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/apr/17/india-smart-city-dholera-flood-farmers-investors
 that would be powered by various renewable energies, including wind. But
skeptics doubt these idealistic projects will ever be fully realized,
insisting that the plans are too expensive and detached from local reality.

For now, Gaziantep's municipality is waiting for the results of exhaustive
feasibility reports. Gulec says it's too soon to estimate how much it will
cost, but if the project gets greenlighted, construction of the new city
will start in the next two years.

A pilot scheme will start with a 135-acre piece of land and, if successful,
expand into an entire city during the next following two decades. If the
project bears fruit, it might inspire other agricultural regions to look at
how to convert what they typically consider waste into fuel for the future.
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Re: [MBZ] Bio gas from pistachio shells

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I love the idea of turning biomass waste into fuel.  Much more realistic
for building a off the grid system.  Storing and using the gas to power
an oven, stove, and refrigerator, and you've got a big chunk of what is
needed for comfortable living.  Add a solar power system charging a few
lead acid batteries, and LED lighting, and you've got your night-time light
source.

With a really large biomass digest-er and a sophisticated compressor
system, one could fill tanks for powering a car or truck or tractor.  I
wonder how much biomass you'd need to get the gas required to drive a car /
truck around?

-Max
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Re: [MBZ] Bio gas from pistachio shells

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:


With a really large biomass digest-er and a sophisticated compressor
system, one could fill tanks for powering a car or truck or tractor.  I
wonder how much biomass you'd need to get the gas required to drive a car /
truck around?


Look at the wood consumption rates for wood gas conversions. That should give 
you a general idea.


http://www.motherearthnews.com/green-transportation/wood-gas-truck-zmaz81mjzraw.aspx

Our vehicle (a 1970s pickup truck that probably got 10-14mpg), with a full wood 
supply and passenger load, goes about one mile on a pound of chunks ..


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Re: [MBZ] Bio gas from pistachio shells

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Many farms are already way out in front of this using poo from farm animals 
mixed with farm wastes like stalks to make methane to power equipment and heat 
and whatnot.
-Curt
  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 11:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio gas from pistachio shells
   
I love the idea of turning biomass waste into fuel.  Much more realistic
for building a off the grid system.  Storing and using the gas to power
an oven, stove, and refrigerator, and you've got a big chunk of what is
needed for comfortable living.  Add a solar power system charging a few
lead acid batteries, and LED lighting, and you've got your night-time light
source.

With a really large biomass digest-er and a sophisticated compressor
system, one could fill tanks for powering a car or truck or tractor.  I
wonder how much biomass you'd need to get the gas required to drive a car /
truck around?

-Max


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Re: [MBZ] Bio gas from pistachio shells

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:


With a really large biomass digest-er and a sophisticated compressor
system, one could fill tanks for powering a car or truck or tractor.  I
wonder how much biomass you'd need to get the gas required to drive a car /
truck around?


Look at the wood consumption rates for wood gas conversions. That 
should give you a general idea.


http://www.motherearthnews.com/green-transportation/wood-gas-truck-zmaz81mjzraw.aspx

Our vehicle (a 1970s pickup truck that probably got 10-14mpg), with 
a full wood supply and passenger load, goes about one mile on a 
pound of chunks ..




http://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?aid=3548
Steve Nunnikhoven was ahead of MEN

There is a 1936? Mercedes in the Deutschesmuseum that was converted 
to wood gas during WWII, with the generator on the back of the car.


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Re: [MBZ] Bio gas from pistachio shells

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

What was being done 30 years ago also.


Many farms are already way out in front of this using poo from farm 
animals mixed with farm wastes like stalks to make methane to power 
equipment and heat and whatnot.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Bio gas from pistachio shells

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I worked on several biogas projects through Purdue University in the late 
70s/early 80s based at total confinement hog farms in the Lafayette, IN area. 
The smallest had roughly 2,000 head under one roof and it generated more than 
enough biogas to provide heat and power a standby generator.

They were looking at ways to use it as motor fuel on the farm for powering the 
farm equipment and trucks but were having difficulties due to the low BTU 
content.

Worked well for heating, though.

Biogas installations are common at large wastewater treatment plants and 
landfills. The city of Gary or Hammond (IN), I can't remember which, had a huge 
digester and biogas recovery system that generated electricity for the plant 
and surrounding city buildings.

Dan

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 On Nov 21, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I love the idea of turning biomass waste into fuel.  Much more realistic
 for building a off the grid system.  Storing and using the gas to power
 an oven, stove, and refrigerator, and you've got a big chunk of what is
 needed for comfortable living.  Add a solar power system charging a few
 lead acid batteries, and LED lighting, and you've got your night-time light
 source.
 
 With a really large biomass digest-er and a sophisticated compressor
 system, one could fill tanks for powering a car or truck or tractor.  I
 wonder how much biomass you'd need to get the gas required to drive a car /
 truck around?
 
 -Max
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Re: [MBZ] Bio gas from pistachio shells

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/01/wood-gas-cars.html

RB


On 21/11/2014 12:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:


With a really large biomass digest-er and a sophisticated compressor
system, one could fill tanks for powering a car or truck or tractor.  I
wonder how much biomass you'd need to get the gas required to drive 
a car /

truck around?


Look at the wood consumption rates for wood gas conversions. That 
should give you a general idea.


http://www.motherearthnews.com/green-transportation/wood-gas-truck-zmaz81mjzraw.aspx 



Our vehicle (a 1970s pickup truck that probably got 10-14mpg), with a 
full wood supply and passenger load, goes about one mile on a pound 
of chunks ..




http://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?aid=3548
Steve Nunnikhoven was ahead of MEN

There is a 1936? Mercedes in the Deutschesmuseum that was converted to 
wood gas during WWII, with the generator on the back of the car.


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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[ernest breakfield]

hi Clay!

thanks for the detailed feedback!

so, it seems the differences in our experiences could be related to 
either the cars, *or* the fuel.
all of the problems you describe were related to fuel eating rubber 
and/or the byproducts of that not being filtered out of the fuel (not 
BioD itself destroying Injectors, Pumps, and fuel tanks as i first read 
you to say).


the fuel i've been using has been sourced almost exclusively 
through Yokao or Blue Sky/Sirona Biofuels (both in NorCal), though i'm 
aware of at least a few loads that came in from a producer in/around Reno.


i'd always been attracted to the lines of both a 220D of yours' 
vintage and to the later more 'modern' cars, but your experiences seem 
to reinforce why W123s that are so popular around here for BioFuels, and 
that sticking to one for use with BioDiesel might be a wise choice.


whatever the reason (or combinations of reasons), i'm sorry you've 
had such poor luck. having run well over 80,000 miles on almost 
exclusively B99 in our '85, we haven't had a fraction of the issues you 
report.



cheers!
e


On 04/Nov/12 21:17, clay monroe wrote:

Gump was the 72 220D.  She died a noble death when metal fatigue took out the 
cam supports

220D was given fresh fuel return lines within two weeks of purchase.  These 
failed within 14 months with B100 use.  Daily driver, so much fuel went through 
them.   Fuel lines from the fuel tank as well as the 90* lines up front failed 
during that time.   Second installation of return lines which lasted another 25 
months.  Cigar hose went smushy, as well as taking out the fuel filter gaskets. 
 Return lines dissolved and sent snot into injectors.  I had those rebuilt.  
Toward the end of the life of the second return lines I stopped using higher 
than B20.  Four years into my ownership, after I had stopped using so much 
B100, I had to do DV, since they were spewing fuel.  IP was being overloaded 
with BioD, so I had to change out IP oil twice as often as I did engine oil.

E300D was sourced in 2003.  She had been given fresh return lines, DV seals, 5k 
miles prior to my purchase.  Was running B100 in her during the same period as 
the 220D.  SWMBA was the primary driver.  This was the heyday of the B100 Mania 
in town.  Most of the stuff was coming in from the midwest and going to indy as 
well as big oil locations.   Local large producers were just getting plants 
built.  Oregon firms were pumping stuff they made.  SWMBA has family down that 
way, so we filled up when there.

Had her a year or so before rubber started to fail.  Spent the summer touring 
Mid-Atlantic and SE states, so not filling with anything but #2 for three 
months, then went back to high BioD in the fall.   Returns and fuel lines began 
leaking, which made a stink in the cabin.  SWMBA did not enjoy this, so the car 
went to the shop for fresh fuel bits.

New rubber lines all over and all was well for another year.  Fuel filter seals 
fail, return lines perforated, and fuel is leaking into the injector wells and 
filling to the point it ate the valve cover gasket.  Sloshing fuel also ate the 
fuel filler gasket.  Trunk and engine bay stink of fuel, as well as polluting 
the cabin.  More shop time to replace that mess.

Within six month, the DV seals fail.  SWMBA no longer purchases BioD, and 
forbids me to purchase it for that car.  All the damage and issues from using 
BioD sour her on the E300D, so she decides to purchase a korean car.  When the 
220D dies, I end up using the ED and in the past three years have not had any 
issues related to fuel or rubber.

clay

On Nov 4, 2012, at 7:53 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:


hi Clay!

i've no idea what a Gump is,... but would be curious to hear a breakdown of 
which of those failures you had on which model.

the large majority of BioD users here in the Berkeley fleet is running 616s 
and 617s because they have a reputation for handling Biofuels so well; i'm 
wondering if this might be an example of how well-deserved that reputation is.


cheers!
e

On 31/Oct/12 20:28, clay monroe wrote:

I am happy you have had such success.  I have not had that experience myself, 
so have made recommendation based on the repairs I have made myself or paid to 
have done.  The hoses I replaces where not old, but new viton from the 
dealership I bought by the meter.  Other rubber parts were either dealer or 
Rusty parts.  I also received feedback from two local BioD resellers on issues 
related to the use of B100 and from Chris Goodwin, who runs Frybrid.com and 
worked on the cars to fix the issues related to B100 usage.

BTW, I have been using BioD for a decade myself.  Once I reduced the amount of 
BioD in the tank, my issues no longer plagued me.   The stuff is not small 
scale production, but from major producers from both the midwest as well as 
Imperium, Sustainable, Propel, and other larger local refiners.  Must be the #2 
that caused my issues

clay


On Oct 

Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[clay monroe]

Yeah,  I just got to the Star mag for September.  W124 buying guide points out 
that VO and possibly BioD are not tolerated by the engine.   I attributed it to 
the fuel and have backed off using it as I would have in a much older car.  The 
oil article in that edition also pointed up just how less tight tolerances were 
in older engines than they are now.  

All the advances in the past forty years have gotten much more mileage out of 
the fuel, but at the expense of hardiness and tolerance for lesser quality 
lubrication and fuel one will find while on the road.

clay


On Nov 10, 2012, at 3:24 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:

 hi Clay!
 
thanks for the detailed feedback!
 
so, it seems the differences in our experiences could be related to either 
 the cars, *or* the fuel.
all of the problems you describe were related to fuel eating rubber and/or 
 the byproducts of that not being filtered out of the fuel (not BioD itself 
 destroying Injectors, Pumps, and fuel tanks as i first read you to say).
 
the fuel i've been using has been sourced almost exclusively through Yokao 
 or Blue Sky/Sirona Biofuels (both in NorCal), though i'm aware of at least a 
 few loads that came in from a producer in/around Reno.
 
i'd always been attracted to the lines of both a 220D of yours' vintage 
 and to the later more 'modern' cars, but your experiences seem to reinforce 
 why W123s that are so popular around here for BioFuels, and that sticking to 
 one for use with BioDiesel might be a wise choice.
 
whatever the reason (or combinations of reasons), i'm sorry you've had 
 such poor luck. having run well over 80,000 miles on almost exclusively B99 
 in our '85, we haven't had a fraction of the issues you report.
 
 
 cheers!
 e
 
 
 On 04/Nov/12 21:17, clay monroe wrote:
 Gump was the 72 220D.  She died a noble death when metal fatigue took out 
 the cam supports
 
 220D was given fresh fuel return lines within two weeks of purchase.  These 
 failed within 14 months with B100 use.  Daily driver, so much fuel went 
 through them.   Fuel lines from the fuel tank as well as the 90* lines up 
 front failed during that time.   Second installation of return lines which 
 lasted another 25 months.  Cigar hose went smushy, as well as taking out the 
 fuel filter gaskets.  Return lines dissolved and sent snot into injectors.  
 I had those rebuilt.  Toward the end of the life of the second return lines 
 I stopped using higher than B20.  Four years into my ownership, after I had 
 stopped using so much B100, I had to do DV, since they were spewing fuel.  
 IP was being overloaded with BioD, so I had to change out IP oil twice as 
 often as I did engine oil.
 
 E300D was sourced in 2003.  She had been given fresh return lines, DV seals, 
 5k miles prior to my purchase.  Was running B100 in her during the same 
 period as the 220D.  SWMBA was the primary driver.  This was the heyday of 
 the B100 Mania in town.  Most of the stuff was coming in from the midwest 
 and going to indy as well as big oil locations.   Local large producers were 
 just getting plants built.  Oregon firms were pumping stuff they made.  
 SWMBA has family down that way, so we filled up when there.
 
 Had her a year or so before rubber started to fail.  Spent the summer 
 touring Mid-Atlantic and SE states, so not filling with anything but #2 for 
 three months, then went back to high BioD in the fall.   Returns and fuel 
 lines began leaking, which made a stink in the cabin.  SWMBA did not enjoy 
 this, so the car went to the shop for fresh fuel bits.
 
 New rubber lines all over and all was well for another year.  Fuel filter 
 seals fail, return lines perforated, and fuel is leaking into the injector 
 wells and filling to the point it ate the valve cover gasket.  Sloshing fuel 
 also ate the fuel filler gasket.  Trunk and engine bay stink of fuel, as 
 well as polluting the cabin.  More shop time to replace that mess.
 
 Within six month, the DV seals fail.  SWMBA no longer purchases BioD, and 
 forbids me to purchase it for that car.  All the damage and issues from 
 using BioD sour her on the E300D, so she decides to purchase a korean car.  
 When the 220D dies, I end up using the ED and in the past three years have 
 not had any issues related to fuel or rubber.
 
 clay
 
 On Nov 4, 2012, at 7:53 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:
 
 hi Clay!
 
i've no idea what a Gump is,... but would be curious to hear a breakdown 
 of which of those failures you had on which model.
 
the large majority of BioD users here in the Berkeley fleet is running 
 616s and 617s because they have a reputation for handling Biofuels so well; 
 i'm wondering if this might be an example of how well-deserved that 
 reputation is.
 
 
 cheers!
 e
 
 On 31/Oct/12 20:28, clay monroe wrote:
 I am happy you have had such success.  I have not had that experience 
 myself, so have made recommendation based on the repairs I have made 
 myself or paid to have done. 

Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Dieselhead]

I have used mixtures up to 100% sunflower bioD in OM603s with no ill 
effects.  Actually, they seem quite happy with properly made BioD. 
No modifications.  It was properly made with the methanol removed 
and reclaimed properly.


Trying to run used soy oil is another matter entirely.


Yeah,  I just got to the Star mag for September.  W124 buying guide 
points out that VO and possibly BioD are not tolerated by the 
engine.   I attributed it to the fuel and have backed off using it 
as I would have in a much older car.  The oil article in that 
edition also pointed up just how less tight tolerances were in older 
engines than they are now. 

All the advances in the past forty years have gotten much more 
mileage out of the fuel, but at the expense of hardiness and 
tolerance for lesser quality lubrication and fuel one will find 
while on the road.


clay


On Nov 10, 2012, at 3:24 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:


 hi Clay!

thanks for the detailed feedback!

so, it seems the differences in our experiences could be 
related to either the cars, *or* the fuel.
all of the problems you describe were related to fuel eating 
rubber and/or the byproducts of that not being filtered out of the 
fuel (not BioD itself destroying Injectors, Pumps, and fuel tanks 
as i first read you to say).


the fuel i've been using has been sourced almost exclusively 
through Yokao or Blue Sky/Sirona Biofuels (both in NorCal), though 
i'm aware of at least a few loads that came in from a producer 
in/around Reno.


i'd always been attracted to the lines of both a 220D of yours' 
vintage and to the later more 'modern' cars, but your experiences 
seem to reinforce why W123s that are so popular around here for 
BioFuels, and that sticking to one for use with BioDiesel might be 
a wise choice.


whatever the reason (or combinations of reasons), i'm sorry 
you've had such poor luck. having run well over 80,000 miles on 
almost exclusively B99 in our '85, we haven't had a fraction of the 
issues you report.



 cheers!
 e


 On 04/Nov/12 21:17, clay monroe wrote:
 Gump was the 72 220D.  She died a noble death when metal fatigue 
took out the cam supports


 220D was given fresh fuel return lines within two weeks of 
purchase.  These failed within 14 months with B100 use.  Daily 
driver, so much fuel went through them.   Fuel lines from the fuel 
tank as well as the 90* lines up front failed during that time. 
Second installation of return lines which lasted another 25 
months.  Cigar hose went smushy, as well as taking out the fuel 
filter gaskets.  Return lines dissolved and sent snot into 
injectors.  I had those rebuilt.  Toward the end of the life of 
the second return lines I stopped using higher than B20.  Four 
years into my ownership, after I had stopped using so much B100, I 
had to do DV, since they were spewing fuel.  IP was being 
overloaded with BioD, so I had to change out IP oil twice as often 
as I did engine oil.


 E300D was sourced in 2003.  She had been given fresh return 
lines, DV seals, 5k miles prior to my purchase.  Was running B100 
in her during the same period as the 220D.  SWMBA was the primary 
driver.  This was the heyday of the B100 Mania in town.  Most of 
the stuff was coming in from the midwest and going to indy as well 
as big oil locations.   Local large producers were just getting 
plants built.  Oregon firms were pumping stuff they made.  SWMBA 
has family down that way, so we filled up when there.


 Had her a year or so before rubber started to fail.  Spent the 
summer touring Mid-Atlantic and SE states, so not filling with 
anything but #2 for three months, then went back to high BioD in 
the fall.   Returns and fuel lines began leaking, which made a 
stink in the cabin.  SWMBA did not enjoy this, so the car went to 
the shop for fresh fuel bits.


 New rubber lines all over and all was well for another year. 
Fuel filter seals fail, return lines perforated, and fuel is 
leaking into the injector wells and filling to the point it ate 
the valve cover gasket.  Sloshing fuel also ate the fuel filler 
gasket.  Trunk and engine bay stink of fuel, as well as polluting 
the cabin.  More shop time to replace that mess.

 
 Within six month, the DV seals fail.  SWMBA no longer purchases 
BioD, and forbids me to purchase it for that car.  All the damage 
and issues from using BioD sour her on the E300D, so she decides 
to purchase a korean car.  When the 220D dies, I end up using the 
ED and in the past three years have not had any issues related to 
fuel or rubber.


 clay

 On Nov 4, 2012, at 7:53 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:


 hi Clay!

i've no idea what a Gump is,... but would be curious to hear 
a breakdown of which of those failures you had on which model.


the large majority of BioD users here in the Berkeley fleet 
is running 616s and 617s because they have a reputation for 
handling Biofuels so well; i'm wondering if this might be an 
example of how well-deserved 

Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[ernest breakfield]

hi Clay!

i've no idea what a Gump is,... but would be curious to hear a 
breakdown of which of those failures you had on which model.


the large majority of BioD users here in the Berkeley fleet is 
running 616s and 617s because they have a reputation for handling 
Biofuels so well; i'm wondering if this might be an example of how 
well-deserved that reputation is.



cheers!
e

On 31/Oct/12 20:28, clay monroe wrote:

I am happy you have had such success.  I have not had that experience myself, 
so have made recommendation based on the repairs I have made myself or paid to 
have done.  The hoses I replaces where not old, but new viton from the 
dealership I bought by the meter.  Other rubber parts were either dealer or 
Rusty parts.  I also received feedback from two local BioD resellers on issues 
related to the use of B100 and from Chris Goodwin, who runs Frybrid.com and 
worked on the cars to fix the issues related to B100 usage.

BTW, I have been using BioD for a decade myself.  Once I reduced the amount of 
BioD in the tank, my issues no longer plagued me.   The stuff is not small 
scale production, but from major producers from both the midwest as well as 
Imperium, Sustainable, Propel, and other larger local refiners.  Must be the #2 
that caused my issues

clay


On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:11 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:


Clay,

i don't know where you got this from, but these concerns range from 
grossly exaggerated to simply untrue.

i've got over 80K miles on almost exclusively straight BioD in my W123 over 
the last 8 years or so, and i'm one of only thousands here in the Bay Area 
alone that have done so without problem.
i didn't replace any fuel lines; decided i'd wait to see how much truth 
there might be behind the alleged need for it, since it wasn't like fuel line 
failures are sudden or catastrophic and i would be watching fuel lines in any 
old diesel vehicle anyway. when the Return Lines *finally* began to show just 
the tiniest hint of seepage this year, i finally replaced them; all the rest of 
the lines look good, and i have no idea how old any of them were when i first 
got the car with ~120K on it.

i don't know what's allegedly supposed to happen to the IP or the 
injectors, but i haven't seen or heard of it happening to any of the BioD MBZs 
in the BioD fleet here yet. one of the reasons the MBZs are so popular for this 
sort of stuff is specifically because the inline IPs are so robust. to the 
contrary, some people claim that the lubricity of BioD is *easier* on the 
injection parts than #2.

i have no idea what BioD could do to a metal fuel tank, and have never 
before heard of any issue or concern related to such.

the one thing i do see yield to BioD is the insulating ring around the 
filler pipe; i've replaced the one in our car twice in the last 8 years. (it's 
not like that's a big deal; it's just ugly.)

as for it running just as quiet at B2 as with more, i don't have great 
hearing, but i'd have to differ there too,.. but that's not why i'm running it.


cheers!
e

'85 300D
200K+ miles (80K+ on B99)


On 30/Oct/12 16:48, clay monroe wrote:

Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your pocketbook.  
IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the strongest I would 
advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit to the engine or cleaning 
up gunk.   Put a gallon in your tank from a 5 gallon container when you fill up.

B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane.  Not enough 
BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It runs just as quiet at 
B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for the same impact on cetane and 
smoothness

clay


On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:


I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself).  They have 
two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive around the left 
side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and they mentioned to me 
that they get from Mainehmmm.

The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any difference 
in performance.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:


The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say when 
the BD pump will be turned off?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com  wrote:

It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)

Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
From: Jon Agnejonag...@gwi.net
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
Message-ID:d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long Island.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?

Sent

Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[clay monroe]

 of stuff is specifically because the inline IPs are so 
 robust. to the contrary, some people claim that the lubricity of BioD is 
 *easier* on the injection parts than #2.
 
i have no idea what BioD could do to a metal fuel tank, and have never 
 before heard of any issue or concern related to such.
 
the one thing i do see yield to BioD is the insulating ring around the 
 filler pipe; i've replaced the one in our car twice in the last 8 years. 
 (it's not like that's a big deal; it's just ugly.)
 
as for it running just as quiet at B2 as with more, i don't have great 
 hearing, but i'd have to differ there too,.. but that's not why i'm running 
 it.
 
 
 cheers!
 e
 
 '85 300D
 200K+ miles (80K+ on B99)
 
 
 On 30/Oct/12 16:48, clay monroe wrote:
 Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your 
 pocketbook.  IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the 
 strongest I would advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit to 
 the engine or cleaning up gunk.   Put a gallon in your tank from a 5 
 gallon container when you fill up.
 
 B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane.  Not 
 enough BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It runs just 
 as quiet at B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for the same impact 
 on cetane and smoothness
 
 clay
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:
 
 I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself).  They 
 have two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive around 
 the left side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and they 
 mentioned to me that they get from Mainehmmm.
 
 The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any 
 difference in performance.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say 
 when the BD pump will be turned off?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com  wrote:
 
 It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)
 
 Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
 From: Jon Agnejonag...@gwi.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
 Message-ID:d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long 
 Island.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com  wrote:
 
 Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would 
 take) of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.
 
 Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, 
 just like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think 
 this is due to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles 
 now and aside from the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the 
 beginning of the throttle go away for which I'm very grateful. When I 
 first got the car it would go away if I ran a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the 
 tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the issue. I'm also seeing 
 better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean.
 
 I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel 
 Purge last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations 
 returned. Of course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last 
 week which surely helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the 
 Bio-Diesel I bought was only about $0.06 more expensive than the 
 cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was more convenient to my house, 
 I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up there on Fridays for 
 awhile to let the bioD do its work.
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Max Dillon]

Sounds to me like your bio diesel predecessor left methanol in the mix...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

Viton is not impervious to B100.  I have had to do DV twice on both
Gump and E300D.  Return lines have disintegrated as well as lines from
the tank.  Cigar hoses 2x.  Valve cover on E300D turned to mush because
the hoses leaked into the valve head and I had to suck 0.5 gal out of
there.  O-rings for fuel filters went south twice.  Filler neck gasket
melted.  

Injectors got gunked up with melted rubber hose bits.  



On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

 Delivery valve seals and hoses could be replaced with viton. Problem
solved except for injectors. What injector issues arise?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:48 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net
wrote:
 
 Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your
pocketbook.  IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the
strongest I would advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit
to the engine or cleaning up gunk.   Put a gallon in your tank from a 5
gallon container when you fill up.
 
 B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane. 
Not enough BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It
runs just as quiet at B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for
the same impact on cetane and smoothness
 
 clay
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:
 
 I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself). 
They have two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive
around the left side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and
they mentioned to me that they get from Mainehmmm.
 
 The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any
difference in performance.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they
say when the BD pump will be turned off?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
wrote:
 
 It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)
 
 Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
 From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
 Message-ID: d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of
Long Island.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
wrote:
 
 Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it
would take) of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.
 
 Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was
quieter, just like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel.
I think this is due to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about
75 miles now and aside from the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in
the beginning of the throttle go away for which I'm very grateful. When
I first got the car it would go away if I ran a LOT of Diesel Kleen in
the tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the issue. I'm also
seeing better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean.
 
 I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of
Diesel Purge last summer and things were better for awhile but the
frustrations returned. Of course I commuted with the car 110 miles a
day all last week which surely helped but I'm well pleased with this.
Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only about $0.06 more expensive than
the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was more convenient to my
house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up there on
Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Max Dillon]

Processor, not predecessor...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

Sounds to me like your bio diesel predecessor left methanol in the
mix...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

Viton is not impervious to B100.  I have had to do DV twice on both
Gump and E300D.  Return lines have disintegrated as well as lines from
the tank.  Cigar hoses 2x.  Valve cover on E300D turned to mush
because
the hoses leaked into the valve head and I had to suck 0.5 gal out of
there.  O-rings for fuel filters went south twice.  Filler neck gasket
melted.  

Injectors got gunked up with melted rubber hose bits.  



On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

 Delivery valve seals and hoses could be replaced with viton. Problem
solved except for injectors. What injector issues arise?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:48 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net
wrote:
 
 Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your
pocketbook.  IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the
strongest I would advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit
to the engine or cleaning up gunk.   Put a gallon in your tank from a
5
gallon container when you fill up.
 
 B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane. 
Not enough BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It
runs just as quiet at B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for
the same impact on cetane and smoothness
 
 clay
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:
 
 I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself). 
They have two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back,
drive
around the left side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and
they mentioned to me that they get from Mainehmmm.
 
 The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any
difference in performance.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they
say when the BD pump will be turned off?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
wrote:
 
 It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)
 
 Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
 From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
 Message-ID: d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of
Long Island.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
wrote:
 
 Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it
would take) of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.
 
 Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was
quieter, just like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the
fuel.
I think this is due to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about
75 miles now and aside from the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in
the beginning of the throttle go away for which I'm very grateful.
When
I first got the car it would go away if I ran a LOT of Diesel Kleen in
the tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the issue. I'm also
seeing better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean.
 
 I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of
Diesel Purge last summer and things were better for awhile but the
frustrations returned. Of course I commuted with the car 110 miles a
day all last week which surely helped but I'm well pleased with this.
Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only about $0.06 more expensive than
the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was more convenient to my
house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up there on
Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[clay monroe]

Must be a common error then.  Same sort of troubles no matter which processor 
made it.  I have the choice of four in town.

clay

On Nov 1, 2012, at 5:51 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

 Sounds to me like your bio diesel predecessor left methanol in the mix...
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '95 E300
 '87 300TD
 
 clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Viton is not impervious to B100.  I have had to do DV twice on both
 Gump and E300D.  Return lines have disintegrated as well as lines from
 the tank.  Cigar hoses 2x.  Valve cover on E300D turned to mush because
 the hoses leaked into the valve head and I had to suck 0.5 gal out of
 there.  O-rings for fuel filters went south twice.  Filler neck gasket
 melted.  
 
 Injectors got gunked up with melted rubber hose bits.  
 
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 Delivery valve seals and hoses could be replaced with viton. Problem
 solved except for injectors. What injector issues arise?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:48 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
 Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your
 pocketbook.  IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the
 strongest I would advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit
 to the engine or cleaning up gunk.   Put a gallon in your tank from a 5
 gallon container when you fill up.
 
 B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane. 
 Not enough BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It
 runs just as quiet at B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for
 the same impact on cetane and smoothness
 
 clay
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:
 
 I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself). 
 They have two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive
 around the left side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and
 they mentioned to me that they get from Mainehmmm.
 
 The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any
 difference in performance.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they
 say when the BD pump will be turned off?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)
 
 Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
 From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
 Message-ID: d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of
 Long Island.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it
 would take) of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.
 
 Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was
 quieter, just like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel.
 I think this is due to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about
 75 miles now and aside from the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in
 the beginning of the throttle go away for which I'm very grateful. When
 I first got the car it would go away if I ran a LOT of Diesel Kleen in
 the tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the issue. I'm also
 seeing better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean.
 
 I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of
 Diesel Purge last summer and things were better for awhile but the
 frustrations returned. Of course I commuted with the car 110 miles a
 day all last week which surely helped but I'm well pleased with this.
 Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only about $0.06 more expensive than
 the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was more convenient to my
 house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up there on
 Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I've never had those problems.  Where did you get the BD?  Coops that make the 
homebrew stuff might have lots of methanol in the fuel.  I believe that 
methanol creates a lot of the rubber issues.  I always get mine at a reputable 
gas station.




From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

Must be a common error then.  Same sort of troubles no matter which processor 
made it.  I have the choice of four in town.

clay

On Nov 1, 2012, at 5:51 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

 Sounds to me like your bio diesel predecessor left methanol in the mix...
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '95 E300
 '87 300TD
 
 clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Viton is not impervious to B100.  I have had to do DV twice on both
 Gump and E300D.  Return lines have disintegrated as well as lines from
 the tank.  Cigar hoses 2x.  Valve cover on E300D turned to mush because
 the hoses leaked into the valve head and I had to suck 0.5 gal out of
 there.  O-rings for fuel filters went south twice.  Filler neck gasket
 melted.  
 
 Injectors got gunked up with melted rubber hose bits.  
 
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 Delivery valve seals and hoses could be replaced with viton. Problem
 solved except for injectors. What injector issues arise?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:48 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
 Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your
 pocketbook.  IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the
 strongest I would advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit
 to the engine or cleaning up gunk.  Put a gallon in your tank from a 5
 gallon container when you fill up.
 
 B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane. 
 Not enough BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It
 runs just as quiet at B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for
 the same impact on cetane and smoothness
 
 clay
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:
 
 I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself). 
 They have two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive
 around the left side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and
 they mentioned to me that they get from Mainehmmm.
 
 The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any
 difference in performance.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they
 say when the BD pump will be turned off?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)
 
 Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
 From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
 Message-ID: d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of
 Long Island.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it
 would take) of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.
 
 Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was
 quieter, just like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel.
 I think this is due to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about
 75 miles now and aside from the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in
 the beginning of the throttle go away for which I'm very grateful. When
 I first got the car it would go away if I ran a LOT of Diesel Kleen in
 the tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the issue. I'm also
 seeing better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean.
 
 I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of
 Diesel Purge last summer and things were better for awhile but the
 frustrations returned. Of course I commuted with the car 110 miles a
 day all last week which surely helped but I'm well pleased with this.
 Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only about $0.06 more expensive than
 the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was more convenient to my
 house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up there on
 Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Tim C]

  Viton is not impervious to B100.  I have had to do DV twice on both
  Gump and E300D.  Return lines have disintegrated as well as lines from
  the tank.  Cigar hoses 2x.  Valve cover on E300D turned to mush because
  the hoses leaked into the valve head and I had to suck 0.5 gal out of
  there.  O-rings for fuel filters went south twice.  Filler neck gasket
  melted.

Over ten years in Seattle, replacing rubber twice per car (I assume once
early in that time) does not seem like that much to me, regardless of
fuel.  Am I missing something?

Valve cover is weird.  But I thought rubber had a 5-10 year service life in
the southeast, where we only have minor weather.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[clay monroe]

Swapped out known old rubber with initial fluid and filter change, so yes, 
early on failure.  I was intent on using as much BioD as I could, so first 
failure was a big bummer.  Must have been old stock hose, or too many batches 
of poor fuel.  Got fresh hose with the same troubles.  I guess dealership and 
Rusty must be stocking chinese garbage, instead of real fuel lines and rubber 
bits.  But that is crazy talk.

Refiners here are not small, unless you count 5-100 million gallons a year as 
small.  If they make a bad batch, it would be a large one.

clay


On Nov 1, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Tim C wrote:

 Viton is not impervious to B100.  I have had to do DV twice on both
 Gump and E300D.  Return lines have disintegrated as well as lines from
 the tank.  Cigar hoses 2x.  Valve cover on E300D turned to mush because
 the hoses leaked into the valve head and I had to suck 0.5 gal out of
 there.  O-rings for fuel filters went south twice.  Filler neck gasket
 melted.
 
 Over ten years in Seattle, replacing rubber twice per car (I assume once
 early in that time) does not seem like that much to me, regardless of
 fuel.  Am I missing something?
 
 Valve cover is weird.  But I thought rubber had a 5-10 year service life in
 the southeast, where we only have minor weather.
 
 Best,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I dont know about quality or available sizes but I found it interesting that 
Horrible Fright sells a box of assorted viton o-rings!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2012, at 12:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, since we recently went through the semantics of DVs recently on this 
list, I should point out that technically the DV seal is a copper ring and is 
not affected by the bioD.   The DV oring seal, is attacked by ULSD as well as 
BioD.  Yes, they can and probably should be replaced with viton orings.  I took 
in a new oring from Q to the industrial supply place and told them it was 
metric, and they produced the exact replicas in viton for a few pennies a piece.

I am not aware of any problem cause with B100/B99 with injector nozzles, other 
than that they like the lubricity.  I have run B9x to B5 in varying ratios, 
with a lot around B75 to B50 and I always liked the results.   (The ability to 
refuel B100 only at home results in varying mixtures as you travel and refill 
with pump #2 ULSD.)




Delivery valve seals and hoses could be replaced with viton. Problem solved 
except for injectors. What injector issues arise?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:48 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your pocketbook.  
IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the strongest I would 
advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit to the engine or cleaning 
up gunk.   Put a gallon in your tank from a 5 gallon container when you fill up.

B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane. Not enough 
BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It runs just as quiet at 
B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for the same impact on cetane and 
smoothness

clay


On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:

I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself). They have 
two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive around the left 
side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and they mentioned to me 
that they get from Mainehmmm.

The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any difference 
in performance.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say when 
the BD pump will be turned off?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)

Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
Message-ID: d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long Island.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would take) 
of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.

Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, just 
like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this is due 
to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and aside from 
the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the throttle go away 
for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it would go away if I ran 
a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the 
issue. I'm also seeing better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean.

I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel Purge 
last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations returned. Of 
course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week which surely 
helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only 
about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was 
more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up 
there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[OK Don]

Which I bought a while back, and have found that it has come in handy
several times - just don't remember for what ---

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote:

 I dont know about quality or available sizes but I found it interesting
 that Horrible Fright sells a box of assorted viton o-rings!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 31, 2012, at 12:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, since we recently went through the semantics of DVs recently on this
 list, I should point out that technically the DV seal is a copper ring and
 is not affected by the bioD.   The DV oring seal, is attacked by ULSD as
 well as BioD.  Yes, they can and probably should be replaced with viton
 orings.  I took in a new oring from Q to the industrial supply place and
 told them it was metric, and they produced the exact replicas in viton for
 a few pennies a piece.

 I am not aware of any problem cause with B100/B99 with injector nozzles,
 other than that they like the lubricity.  I have run B9x to B5 in varying
 ratios, with a lot around B75 to B50 and I always liked the results.   (The
 ability to refuel B100 only at home results in varying mixtures as you
 travel and refill with pump #2 ULSD.)




 Delivery valve seals and hoses could be replaced with viton. Problem
 solved except for injectors. What injector issues arise?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:48 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your
 pocketbook.  IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the
 strongest I would advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit to
 the engine or cleaning up gunk.   Put a gallon in your tank from a 5 gallon
 container when you fill up.

 B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane. Not
 enough BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It runs just
 as quiet at B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for the same impact
 on cetane and smoothness

 clay


 On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:

 I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself). They
 have two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive around
 the left side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and they
 mentioned to me that they get from Mainehmmm.

 The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any
 difference in performance.


 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

 The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say
 when the BD pump will be turned off?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)

 Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.

 -Curt

 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
 From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
 Message-ID: d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long
 Island.


 On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

 Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would
 take) of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.

 Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter,
 just like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this
 is due to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and
 aside from the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the
 throttle go away for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it
 would go away if I ran a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an
 expensive way to deal with the issue. I'm also seeing better first gear
 performance, easier takeoff I mean.

 I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel
 Purge last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations
 returned. Of course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week
 which surely helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I
 bought was only about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can
 find. I wish it was more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As
 it is I plan to fill up there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its
 work.

 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[clay monroe]

Viton is not impervious to B100.  I have had to do DV twice on both Gump and 
E300D.  Return lines have disintegrated as well as lines from the tank.  Cigar 
hoses 2x.  Valve cover on E300D turned to mush because the hoses leaked into 
the valve head and I had to suck 0.5 gal out of there.  O-rings for fuel 
filters went south twice.  Filler neck gasket melted.  

Injectors got gunked up with melted rubber hose bits.  



On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

 Delivery valve seals and hoses could be replaced with viton. Problem solved 
 except for injectors. What injector issues arise?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:48 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your pocketbook.  
 IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the strongest I would 
 advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit to the engine or cleaning 
 up gunk.   Put a gallon in your tank from a 5 gallon container when you fill 
 up.
 
 B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane.  Not enough 
 BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It runs just as quiet 
 at B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for the same impact on cetane 
 and smoothness
 
 clay
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:
 
 I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself).  They 
 have two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive around the 
 left side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and they mentioned to 
 me that they get from Mainehmmm.
 
 The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any difference 
 in performance.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say when 
 the BD pump will be turned off?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)
 
 Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
 From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
 Message-ID: d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long 
 Island.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would take) 
 of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.
 
 Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, just 
 like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this is due 
 to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and aside 
 from the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the throttle 
 go away for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it would go 
 away if I ran a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an expensive way to 
 deal with the issue. I'm also seeing better first gear performance, easier 
 takeoff I mean.
 
 I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel Purge 
 last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations returned. 
 Of course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week which surely 
 helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only 
 about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was 
 more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up 
 there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[clay monroe]

I am happy you have had such success.  I have not had that experience myself, 
so have made recommendation based on the repairs I have made myself or paid to 
have done.  The hoses I replaces where not old, but new viton from the 
dealership I bought by the meter.  Other rubber parts were either dealer or 
Rusty parts.  I also received feedback from two local BioD resellers on issues 
related to the use of B100 and from Chris Goodwin, who runs Frybrid.com and 
worked on the cars to fix the issues related to B100 usage.

BTW, I have been using BioD for a decade myself.  Once I reduced the amount of 
BioD in the tank, my issues no longer plagued me.   The stuff is not small 
scale production, but from major producers from both the midwest as well as 
Imperium, Sustainable, Propel, and other larger local refiners.  Must be the #2 
that caused my issues

clay


On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:11 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:

 Clay,
 
i don't know where you got this from, but these concerns range from 
 grossly exaggerated to simply untrue.
 
i've got over 80K miles on almost exclusively straight BioD in my W123 
 over the last 8 years or so, and i'm one of only thousands here in the Bay 
 Area alone that have done so without problem.
i didn't replace any fuel lines; decided i'd wait to see how much truth 
 there might be behind the alleged need for it, since it wasn't like fuel line 
 failures are sudden or catastrophic and i would be watching fuel lines in any 
 old diesel vehicle anyway. when the Return Lines *finally* began to show just 
 the tiniest hint of seepage this year, i finally replaced them; all the rest 
 of the lines look good, and i have no idea how old any of them were when i 
 first got the car with ~120K on it.
 
i don't know what's allegedly supposed to happen to the IP or the 
 injectors, but i haven't seen or heard of it happening to any of the BioD 
 MBZs in the BioD fleet here yet. one of the reasons the MBZs are so popular 
 for this sort of stuff is specifically because the inline IPs are so robust. 
 to the contrary, some people claim that the lubricity of BioD is *easier* on 
 the injection parts than #2.
 
i have no idea what BioD could do to a metal fuel tank, and have never 
 before heard of any issue or concern related to such.
 
the one thing i do see yield to BioD is the insulating ring around the 
 filler pipe; i've replaced the one in our car twice in the last 8 years. 
 (it's not like that's a big deal; it's just ugly.)
 
as for it running just as quiet at B2 as with more, i don't have great 
 hearing, but i'd have to differ there too,.. but that's not why i'm running 
 it.
 
 
 cheers!
 e
 
 '85 300D
 200K+ miles (80K+ on B99)
 
 
 On 30/Oct/12 16:48, clay monroe wrote:
 Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your pocketbook. 
  IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the strongest I would 
 advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit to the engine or 
 cleaning up gunk.   Put a gallon in your tank from a 5 gallon container when 
 you fill up.
 
 B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane.  Not 
 enough BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It runs just 
 as quiet at B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for the same impact 
 on cetane and smoothness
 
 clay
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:
 
 I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself).  They 
 have two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive around 
 the left side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and they 
 mentioned to me that they get from Mainehmmm.
 
 The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any 
 difference in performance.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say 
 when the BD pump will be turned off?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)
 
 Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
 From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
 Message-ID: d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long 
 Island.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would 
 take) of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.
 
 Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, 
 just like what happens with a quart of engine oil

Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would take) 
of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.

Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, just 
like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this is due 
to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and aside from 
the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the throttle go away 
for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it would go away if I ran 
a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the 
issue. I'm also seeing better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean.

I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel Purge 
last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations returned. Of 
course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week which surely 
helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only 
about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was 
more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up 
there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Jon Agne]

I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long Island.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

 Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would take) 
 of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.
 
 Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, just 
 like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this is due 
 to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and aside 
 from the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the throttle 
 go away for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it would go 
 away if I ran a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an expensive way to 
 deal with the issue. I'm also seeing better first gear performance, easier 
 takeoff I mean.
 
 I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel Purge 
 last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations returned. 
 Of course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week which surely 
 helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only 
 about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was 
 more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up 
 there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Dimitri Seretakis]

That place is a bit out of the way for me so I sometimes bring some 5 gallon 
fuel containers with me. Also, they turn off their BD pumps for the winter so 
definitely call in advance!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:

I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long Island.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would take) 
of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.

Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, just 
like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this is due 
to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and aside from 
the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the throttle go away 
for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it would go away if I ran 
a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the 
issue. I'm also seeing better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean.

I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel Purge 
last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations returned. Of 
course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week which surely 
helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only 
about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was 
more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up 
there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Curt Raymond]

It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)

Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
Message-ID: d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
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I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long Island.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

 Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would take) 
 of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.
 
 Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, just 
 like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this is due 
 to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and aside 
 from the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the throttle 
 go away for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it would go 
 away if I ran a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an expensive way to 
 deal with the issue. I'm also seeing better first gear performance, easier 
 takeoff I mean.
 
 I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel Purge 
 last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations returned. 
 Of course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week which surely 
 helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only 
 about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was 
 more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up 
 there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.
 
 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Dimitri Seretakis]

The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say when 
the BD pump will be turned off?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)

Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
Message-ID: d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long Island.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would take) 
of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.

Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, just 
like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this is due 
to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and aside from 
the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the throttle go away 
for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it would go away if I ran 
a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the 
issue. I'm also seeing better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean.

I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel Purge 
last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations returned. Of 
course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week which surely 
helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only 
about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was 
more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up 
there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Tim C]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:36 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 seller is a criminal.  Well, more a profiteer.  There is a feedstock 
 variability, but if he is going through his tanks that quickly, he should 
 invest in another location to feed the demand.

My Father-in-law used to work with the coop local to him.  When he
started the price was keyed to costs + maintenance, and if I remember
right it was $3-something per gallon - a bit higher than the cost of
street Diesel, the price covered only immediate expenses and
maintenance.  When Diesel prices jumped, they found that they were
always sold out, and they were running the coop at a capacity they
couldn't maintain.  At that point they set a price floor - the old
formula - but the selling cost was tied to $.10 over the current cost
at some nearby station to reduce demand.

It seems irrational to justify selling a comparable product for less
money just because the cost of manufacture is lower.  Of course the
coop was completely honest about this, and the money was reinvested
into bigger and better equipment, so that was fine, whereas in your
situation at first blush it would seem the gas station was just lining
its pockets - but in reality I doubt the station has much relationship
to the biodiesel producers, and presumably they were the ones charging
higher prices so as to be able to keep up with demand.

Best,
Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Curt Raymond]

I didn't ask. I intend to go again this Friday, I'll ask then.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:54:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
Message-ID:
1351616069.85996.yext-apple-iph...@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
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The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say when 
the BD pump will be turned off?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)

Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[clay monroe]

Must be the plethora of bioD plants in this area.  Massive and tiny all putting 
out product.  Enough for use by Naval vessels and cruise ships, as well as the 
white guilt drivers in VW and other diesels.

clay

On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Tim C wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:36 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 seller is a criminal.  Well, more a profiteer.  There is a feedstock 
 variability, but if he is going through his tanks that quickly, he should 
 invest in another location to feed the demand.
 
 My Father-in-law used to work with the coop local to him.  When he
 started the price was keyed to costs + maintenance, and if I remember
 right it was $3-something per gallon - a bit higher than the cost of
 street Diesel, the price covered only immediate expenses and
 maintenance.  When Diesel prices jumped, they found that they were
 always sold out, and they were running the coop at a capacity they
 couldn't maintain.  At that point they set a price floor - the old
 formula - but the selling cost was tied to $.10 over the current cost
 at some nearby station to reduce demand.
 
 It seems irrational to justify selling a comparable product for less
 money just because the cost of manufacture is lower.  Of course the
 coop was completely honest about this, and the money was reinvested
 into bigger and better equipment, so that was fine, whereas in your
 situation at first blush it would seem the gas station was just lining
 its pockets - but in reality I doubt the station has much relationship
 to the biodiesel producers, and presumably they were the ones charging
 higher prices so as to be able to keep up with demand.
 
 Best,
 Tim
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Jon Agne]

I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself).  They have 
two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive around the left 
side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and they mentioned to me 
that they get from Mainehmmm.

The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any difference 
in performance.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

 The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say when 
 the BD pump will be turned off?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)
 
 Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
 From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
 Message-ID: d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long 
 Island.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would take) 
 of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.
 
 Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, just 
 like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this is due 
 to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and aside 
 from the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the throttle 
 go away for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it would go 
 away if I ran a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an expensive way to 
 deal with the issue. I'm also seeing better first gear performance, easier 
 takeoff I mean.
 
 I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel Purge 
 last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations returned. 
 Of course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week which surely 
 helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only 
 about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was 
 more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up 
 there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[clay monroe]

Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your pocketbook.  
IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the strongest I would 
advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit to the engine or cleaning 
up gunk.   Put a gallon in your tank from a 5 gallon container when you fill up.

B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane.  Not enough 
BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It runs just as quiet at 
B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for the same impact on cetane and 
smoothness

clay


On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:

 I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself).  They 
 have two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive around the 
 left side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and they mentioned to 
 me that they get from Mainehmmm.
 
 The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any difference 
 in performance.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say 
 when the BD pump will be turned off?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)
 
 Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
 From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
 Message-ID: d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long 
 Island.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would 
 take) of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.
 
 Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, 
 just like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this 
 is due to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and 
 aside from the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the 
 throttle go away for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it 
 would go away if I ran a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an 
 expensive way to deal with the issue. I'm also seeing better first gear 
 performance, easier takeoff I mean.
 
 I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel Purge 
 last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations returned. 
 Of course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week which surely 
 helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only 
 about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it 
 was more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to 
 fill up there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Jon Agne]

Thanks.  I did not realize that.  I ran B100 for ears in my Yanmar with no 
adverse effect.  It's a good thing then that I only put in a 1/2 tankI'll 
refill with dino tomorrow to dilute.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:48 PM, clay monroe wrote:

 Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your pocketbook.  
 IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the strongest I would 
 advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit to the engine or cleaning 
 up gunk.   Put a gallon in your tank from a 5 gallon container when you fill 
 up.
 
 B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane.  Not enough 
 BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It runs just as quiet 
 at B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for the same impact on cetane 
 and smoothness
 
 clay
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:
 
 I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself).  They 
 have two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive around 
 the left side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and they 
 mentioned to me that they get from Mainehmmm.
 
 The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any 
 difference in performance.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say 
 when the BD pump will be turned off?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)
 
 Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
 From: Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
 Message-ID: d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long 
 Island.
 
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would 
 take) of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.
 
 Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, 
 just like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this 
 is due to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and 
 aside from the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the 
 throttle go away for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it 
 would go away if I ran a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an 
 expensive way to deal with the issue. I'm also seeing better first gear 
 performance, easier takeoff I mean.
 
 I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel 
 Purge last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations 
 returned. Of course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week 
 which surely helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I 
 bought was only about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can 
 find. I wish it was more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As 
 it is I plan to fill up there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its 
 work.
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Delivery valve seals and hoses could be replaced with viton. Problem solved 
except for injectors. What injector issues arise?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:48 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your pocketbook.  
IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the strongest I would 
advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit to the engine or cleaning 
up gunk.   Put a gallon in your tank from a 5 gallon container when you fill up.

B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane.  Not enough 
BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It runs just as quiet at 
B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for the same impact on cetane and 
smoothness

clay


On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:

I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself).  They have 
two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive around the left 
side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and they mentioned to me 
that they get from Mainehmmm.

The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any difference 
in performance.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say when 
the BD pump will be turned off?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)

Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
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I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long Island.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would take) 
of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.

Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, just 
like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this is due 
to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and aside from 
the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the throttle go away 
for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it would go away if I ran 
a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the 
issue. I'm also seeing better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean.

I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel Purge 
last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations returned. Of 
course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week which surely 
helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only 
about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was 
more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up 
there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Yeah that should be interesting!

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On Oct 30, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

Well let's here about your escape from New York!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
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Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:

I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself). 


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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Jon Agne]

I'll try and re-figure out photo-bucket tomorrow.

On Oct 30, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

 Yeah that should be interesting!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 Well let's here about your escape from New York!
 -- 
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 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:
 
 I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself). 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[ernest breakfield]

Clay,

i don't know where you got this from, but these concerns range 
from grossly exaggerated to simply untrue.


i've got over 80K miles on almost exclusively straight BioD in my 
W123 over the last 8 years or so, and i'm one of only thousands here in 
the Bay Area alone that have done so without problem.
i didn't replace any fuel lines; decided i'd wait to see how much 
truth there might be behind the alleged need for it, since it wasn't 
like fuel line failures are sudden or catastrophic and i would be 
watching fuel lines in any old diesel vehicle anyway. when the Return 
Lines *finally* began to show just the tiniest hint of seepage this 
year, i finally replaced them; all the rest of the lines look good, and 
i have no idea how old any of them were when i first got the car with 
~120K on it.


i don't know what's allegedly supposed to happen to the IP or the 
injectors, but i haven't seen or heard of it happening to any of the 
BioD MBZs in the BioD fleet here yet. one of the reasons the MBZs are so 
popular for this sort of stuff is specifically because the inline IPs 
are so robust. to the contrary, some people claim that the lubricity of 
BioD is *easier* on the injection parts than #2.


i have no idea what BioD could do to a metal fuel tank, and have 
never before heard of any issue or concern related to such.


the one thing i do see yield to BioD is the insulating ring around 
the filler pipe; i've replaced the one in our car twice in the last 8 
years. (it's not like that's a big deal; it's just ugly.)


as for it running just as quiet at B2 as with more, i don't have 
great hearing, but i'd have to differ there too,.. but that's not why 
i'm running it.



cheers!
e

'85 300D
200K+ miles (80K+ on B99)


On 30/Oct/12 16:48, clay monroe wrote:

Do not run B100.  It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your pocketbook.  
IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses.  B20 is the strongest I would 
advise.  Much over B5 does not increase the benefit to the engine or cleaning 
up gunk.   Put a gallon in your tank from a 5 gallon container when you fill up.

B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane.  Not enough 
BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG.  It runs just as quiet at 
B2 as with more.  You could run veggie oil for the same impact on cetane and 
smoothness

clay


On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote:


I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself).  They have 
two blends, B5 and B100.  The B100 pump is around back, drive around the left 
side and back into it.  The guys are very helpful, and they mentioned to me 
that they get from Mainehmmm.

The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any difference 
in performance.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:


The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say when 
the BD pump will be turned off?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...)

Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
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I may try the Acton station on the way home.if I can get off of Long Island.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would take) 
of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.

Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, just 
like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this is due 
to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and aside from 
the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the throttle go away 
for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it would go away if I ran 
a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the 
issue. I'm also seeing better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean.

I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel Purge 
last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations returned. Of 
course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week which surely 
helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only 
about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was 
more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up 
there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[clay monroe]

seller is a criminal.  Well, more a profiteer.  There is a feedstock 
variability, but if he is going through his tanks that quickly, he should 
invest in another location to feed the demand.  

Around PNW, the price fluctuates depending on cost of processing.  Sometimes #2 
is a bit less, sometimes BioD is competitive.  Price stays fairly stable unless 
there is a large disruption in petro pricing.  We still get the penny per 
percent reduction, so B99 comes out the pump having been subsidized almost a 
dollar.  

BioD seller is also home heating provider, so tanks are always getting 
serviced.  I figure if the price stays stabile for a month or more, supply must 
be high, since it is the #2 that bounces around more than soy fuel.

clay


On Oct 27, 2012, at 4:55 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

 I'm only aware of one place that sells bio-diesel here in Charleston, and the 
 guy running it adjusts the price to stay about 10 cents higher than Dino.  I 
 called him about it once, pointed out how my car got worse mileage due to the 
 lower energy content, inconvenience of going out of my way to his pump.  He 
 claimed he was adjusting his price due to changes in feed stock prices.  I've 
 never gone back.  Back then our state (or was it national?) was offering tax 
 breaks.  Those are long gone, price seems to stay lock step ten cents higher.
 -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Dieselhead]

That's what I mean it seems only in the us is diesel much more 
expensive than gas. Here gas dropped to 2.97, diesel at some spots 
is 3.79 but just a few days ago was 4.09



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Have you ever looked at how much tax the gummit puts on it?  The 
think they are entitled to most of the price of a gallon of fuel. 
they are all drooling over raising fuel taxes.


here, the supposedly conservative  goobernor is wanting to raise 
the taxes on fuel.  Hardly the position of a real conservative.  Of 
course in his previous administrations, he presided over wild 
increases of goobermnt reach, spending and cancerous growth.  That 
has made the state very uncompetitive, so he thinks the solution is 
more gooberment, not less.


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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Rich Thomas]

Move to SC (unless you are a Yankee).  Our gas taxes are lowest in the 
country.  Of course our roads suffer, but that also helps keep the 
population in check.


--R

On 10/28/12 1:59 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
That's what I mean it seems only in the us is diesel much more 
expensive than gas. Here gas dropped to 2.97, diesel at some spots is 
3.79 but just a few days ago was 4.09



Sent from my ePhone


Have you ever looked at how much tax the gummit puts on it?  The think 
they are entitled to most of the price of a gallon of fuel. they are 
all drooling over raising fuel taxes.


here, the supposedly conservative  goobernor is wanting to raise the 
taxes on fuel.  Hardly the position of a real conservative. Of course 
in his previous administrations, he presided over wild increases of 
goobermnt reach, spending and cancerous growth.  That has made the 
state very uncompetitive, so he thinks the solution is more 
gooberment, not less.


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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Peter Frederick]

Don't forget that those fuel taxes pay for the highways and bridges,  
but only to build them.  Should be much higher in order to maintain  
those roads and highways in decent shape, the Federal taxes are the  
same as they were in the 70's and things are MUCH more expensive now!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[dave walton]

Business owners decide between a balance of tax burden and services. If I
can't get trucks to my warehouse because the bridges have been derated due
to deferred maintenance, I go out of business regardless of how low the
taxes are.

-Dave Walton

On Sunday, October 28, 2012, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's what I mean it seems only in the us is diesel much more expensive
 than gas. Here gas dropped to 2.97, diesel at some spots is 3.79 but just a
 few days ago was 4.09

  Sent from my ePhone


 Have you ever looked at how much tax the gummit puts on it?  The think
 they are entitled to most of the price of a gallon of fuel. they are all
 drooling over raising fuel taxes.

 here, the supposedly conservative  goobernor is wanting to raise the
 taxes on fuel.  Hardly the position of a real conservative.  Of course in
 his previous administrations, he presided over wild increases of goobermnt
 reach, spending and cancerous growth.  That has made the state very
 uncompetitive, so he thinks the solution is more gooberment, not less.

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[ernest breakfield]

hi Craig!

nearbio is a poorly developed web site; i'm not sure what part of 
the state you're in, but you might have to play with it a bit to see if 
it'll give you clues as to what's near by just over the state line. note 
that it doesn't always even show everything.
did the result you got show you anything about the Rio Valley 
Biofuels factory? you could call them and ask them where they might sell 
that might be closer to you,...

how about Every-Ready Oil, in Abq?


cheers!
e


On 27/Oct/12 17:02, Craig wrote:

In looking athttp://www.nearbio.com/  , I found there are three biodiesel
stations in all of New Mexico. One is in Santa Fe, and the other two are
in the far-south part of the state. Maybe I'll stop by the place in Santa
Fe once I fix the fuel leaks in our 240D/3.0.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[OK Don]

Don't forget that we export 40% of the Diesel we refine here -- selling it
at a higher price somewhere else. You can't say our gas or our Diesel -
it's a world market, both crude coming in and refined product going out.

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Well here diesel tax is only a few more cents per gallon than gas, not
 80-90 more

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 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

  On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 wrote:
  That's what I mean it seems only in the us is diesel much more
 expensive than gas. Here gas dropped to 2.97, diesel at some spots is 3.79
 but just a few days ago was 4.09
 
  Taxes.  European countries want to encourage diesel (and/or grease the
  wheels of transportation), US wants to discourage it.  In fairness
  that is probably due to the amount of roads and how we fund them in
  the US.
 
  Also why gas jumps $0.40+ when you cross the SC/NC border.
 
  Best,
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[Craig]

On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 10:23:54 -0700 ernest breakfield
erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote:

  nearbio is a poorly developed web site;

I see.


 i'm not sure what part of the state you're in, but you might have to
 play with it a bit to see if it'll give you clues as to what's near by
 just over the state line.

I'm in Los Alamos, northwest of Santa Fe in the mountains. We're not near
any state line.


 note that it doesn't always even show everything.

As a site that is supposed to make using of biodiesel easier, that seems
odd.


 did the result you got show you anything about the Rio Valley Biofuels
 factory? you could call them and ask them where they might sell that
 might be closer to you,... 

It did show the Rio Valley Biofuels factory. It's one of the two in the
far-south portion of the state.


 how about Every-Ready Oil, in Abq?

Santa Fe is 45 minutes to an hour away; Albuquerque is 2 hours away.


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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Dieselhead]

What is the total revenue collected in 1970?   What is the total 
revenue collected last year?



Don't forget that those fuel taxes pay for the highways and bridges, 
but only to build them.  Should be much higher in order to maintain 
those roads and highways in decent shape, the Federal taxes are the 
same as they were in the 70's and things are MUCH more expensive now!


Peter


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[MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Curt Raymond]

Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would take) 
of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.

Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, just 
like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this is due 
to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and aside from 
the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the throttle go away 
for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it would go away if I ran 
a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the 
issue. I'm also seeing better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean.

I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel Purge 
last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations returned. Of 
course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week which surely 
helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only 
about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was 
more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up 
there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Peter Frederick]

Bio-D burns more easily and cleaner than dino diesel because it has  
more oxygen in it (it's methyl esters of fatty acids).  Higher cetane,  
about what MB diesels are designed for rather than the slop one gets  
in the US, which is usually mid 40's at best instead of the design  
limit of 50 and typical 55 rating in Europe IIRC.


It will clean out varnish, it's a natural detergent,and since it  
ignites better will clear considerable carbon in the combustion areas.


Give it an Italian Tuneup (sorta necessary if you drive a 240D on the  
interstate anyway, but if you don't floor it on hills as much as you  
can) and it should clear out nicely.


Worst possible thing to do with an MB diesel engine is putter around  
in it, they really need some high load/high fuel conditions to burn  
the carbon out of the pre-chambers.


If the problem persists, however, I recommend getting your nozzles  
checked.  If they don't have the correct opening pressure, are uneven  
in opening pressure, or don't have a good spray pattern, you get  
carbon buildup.


Check your chain stretch too, if the chain is worn and the timing is  
late, you get the symptoms you have.  Don't re-set the IP, replace the  
chain.


Reminds me that I need to check mine, I've not done it in the six  
years I've had the car and it wasn't really taken good care of by the  
owners in the past. PO only had it a short time because it needed too  
much work for him.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

If the diesel in the us is slop why is it more expensive than the rest of the 
world that seems to have better diesel that is cheaper than gas

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Bio-D burns more easily and cleaner than dino diesel because it has more 
 oxygen in it (it's methyl esters of fatty acids).  Higher cetane, about what 
 MB diesels are designed for rather than the slop one gets in the US, which is 
 usually mid 40's at best instead of the design limit of 50 and typical 55 
 rating in Europe IIRC.
 
 It will clean out varnish, it's a natural detergent,and since it ignites 
 better will clear considerable carbon in the combustion areas.
 
 Give it an Italian Tuneup (sorta necessary if you drive a 240D on the 
 interstate anyway, but if you don't floor it on hills as much as you can) and 
 it should clear out nicely.
 
 Worst possible thing to do with an MB diesel engine is putter around in it, 
 they really need some high load/high fuel conditions to burn the carbon out 
 of the pre-chambers.
 
 If the problem persists, however, I recommend getting your nozzles checked.  
 If they don't have the correct opening pressure, are uneven in opening 
 pressure, or don't have a good spray pattern, you get carbon buildup.
 
 Check your chain stretch too, if the chain is worn and the timing is late, 
 you get the symptoms you have.  Don't re-set the IP, replace the chain.
 
 Reminds me that I need to check mine, I've not done it in the six years I've 
 had the car and it wasn't really taken good care of by the owners in the 
 past. PO only had it a short time because it needed too much work for him.
 
 Peter
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Peter Frederick]

You will have to ask the oil companies, since they set the prices.

I suspect European Diesel is MUCH more expensive, in line with  
gasoline prices due to the taxes (regular was $2.50 a gallon or so in  
Germany in 1983 when it was 79 cents a gallon here).


Bulk fuel might be cheaper, and I don't know if they require ultra-low  
sulfur, but at the pump figure a couple dollars a gallon minimum in  
taxes.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Well,  actually, in Europe diesel is way more expensive than it is here. 
Probably $6-9/gallin depending on the country.  Diesel is just less expensive 
than gasoline in Europe. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

If the diesel in the us is slop why is it more expensive than the rest of the 
world that seems to have better diesel that is cheaper than gas

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

Bio-D burns more easily and cleaner than dino diesel because it has more oxygen 
in it (it's methyl esters of fatty acids).  Higher cetane, about what MB 
diesels are designed for rather than the slop one gets in the US, which is 
usually mid 40's at best instead of the design limit of 50 and typical 55 
rating in Europe IIRC.

It will clean out varnish, it's a natural detergent,and since it ignites better 
will clear considerable carbon in the combustion areas.

Give it an Italian Tuneup (sorta necessary if you drive a 240D on the 
interstate anyway, but if you don't floor it on hills as much as you can) and 
it should clear out nicely.

Worst possible thing to do with an MB diesel engine is putter around in it, 
they really need some high load/high fuel conditions to burn the carbon out of 
the pre-chambers.

If the problem persists, however, I recommend getting your nozzles checked.  If 
they don't have the correct opening pressure, are uneven in opening pressure, 
or don't have a good spray pattern, you get carbon buildup.

Check your chain stretch too, if the chain is worn and the timing is late, you 
get the symptoms you have.  Don't re-set the IP, replace the chain.

Reminds me that I need to check mine, I've not done it in the six years I've 
had the car and it wasn't really taken good care of by the owners in the past. 
PO only had it a short time because it needed too much work for him.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

That's what I mean it seems only in the us is diesel much more expensive than 
gas. Here gas dropped to 2.97, diesel at some spots is 3.79 but just a few days 
ago was 4.09

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Well,  actually, in Europe diesel is way more expensive than it is here. 
 Probably $6-9/gallin depending on the country.  Diesel is just less expensive 
 than gasoline in Europe. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 
 If the diesel in the us is slop why is it more expensive than the rest of the 
 world that seems to have better diesel that is cheaper than gas
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 27, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 Bio-D burns more easily and cleaner than dino diesel because it has more 
 oxygen in it (it's methyl esters of fatty acids).  Higher cetane, about what 
 MB diesels are designed for rather than the slop one gets in the US, which is 
 usually mid 40's at best instead of the design limit of 50 and typical 55 
 rating in Europe IIRC.
 
 It will clean out varnish, it's a natural detergent,and since it ignites 
 better will clear considerable carbon in the combustion areas.
 
 Give it an Italian Tuneup (sorta necessary if you drive a 240D on the 
 interstate anyway, but if you don't floor it on hills as much as you can) and 
 it should clear out nicely.
 
 Worst possible thing to do with an MB diesel engine is putter around in it, 
 they really need some high load/high fuel conditions to burn the carbon out 
 of the pre-chambers.
 
 If the problem persists, however, I recommend getting your nozzles checked.  
 If they don't have the correct opening pressure, are uneven in opening 
 pressure, or don't have a good spray pattern, you get carbon buildup.
 
 Check your chain stretch too, if the chain is worn and the timing is late, 
 you get the symptoms you have.  Don't re-set the IP, replace the chain.
 
 Reminds me that I need to check mine, I've not done it in the six years I've 
 had the car and it wasn't really taken good care of by the owners in the 
 past. PO only had it a short time because it needed too much work for him.
 
 Peter
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Tim C]

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 That's what I mean it seems only in the us is diesel much more expensive than 
 gas. Here gas dropped to 2.97, diesel at some spots is 3.79 but just a few 
 days ago was 4.09

Taxes.  European countries want to encourage diesel (and/or grease the
wheels of transportation), US wants to discourage it.  In fairness
that is probably due to the amount of roads and how we fund them in
the US.

Also why gas jumps $0.40+ when you cross the SC/NC border.

Best,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Curt Raymond]

My 110 mile highway commute is about the best Italian tune up you could ask 
for. In the 55 miles home from work I gain about 500' of elevation which helps 
work the car. Most times we hit 80mph at some point too.

The injectors have been redone fairly recently (say the last 80,000 miles) they 
probably shouldn't need anything now or would they? Thanks for mentioning chain 
stretch, I hadn't thought of it.

I was theorizing that there was some gum in the IP that the Diesel Purge 
couldn't do anything about because it the relatively limited time frame and low 
idle speed. I'm hoping the increased detergent effect of bioD, plus running 
hard will get things moved out. Seems to be working, we'll see longer term.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:28:16 -0500
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
Message-ID: b96706a8-1ecc-4081-a410-9be48d8ac...@earthlink.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Bio-D burns more easily and cleaner than dino diesel because it has  
more oxygen in it (it's methyl esters of fatty acids).  Higher cetane,  
about what MB diesels are designed for rather than the slop one gets  
in the US, which is usually mid 40's at best instead of the design  
limit of 50 and typical 55 rating in Europe IIRC.

It will clean out varnish, it's a natural detergent,and since it  
ignites better will clear considerable carbon in the combustion areas.

Give it an Italian Tuneup (sorta necessary if you drive a 240D on the  
interstate anyway, but if you don't floor it on hills as much as you  
can) and it should clear out nicely.

Worst possible thing to do with an MB diesel engine is putter around  
in it, they really need some high load/high fuel conditions to burn  
the carbon out of the pre-chambers.

If the problem persists, however, I recommend getting your nozzles  
checked.  If they don't have the correct opening pressure, are uneven  
in opening pressure, or don't have a good spray pattern, you get  
carbon buildup.

Check your chain stretch too, if the chain is worn and the timing is  
late, you get the symptoms you have.  Don't re-set the IP, replace the  
chain.

Reminds me that I need to check mine, I've not done it in the six  
years I've had the car and it wasn't really taken good care of by the  
owners in the past. PO only had it a short time because it needed too  
much work for him.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Curt Raymond]

Don't confuse the fact that our diesel is more expensive than gas with our 
diesel being more expensive than the rest of the world.

Our diesel is expensive because of tax and because refineries tend to make more 
gas because they can sell it faster.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:36:23 -0500
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel
Message-ID:
assp.864786c5e3.6c8ec044-8413-464b-8d8f-45db4460a...@striplin.net
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

If the diesel in the us is slop why is it more expensive than the rest of the 
world that seems to have better diesel that is cheaper than gas

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Bio-D burns more easily and cleaner than dino diesel because it has more 
 oxygen in it (it's methyl esters of fatty acids).  Higher cetane, about what 
 MB diesels are designed for rather than the slop one gets in the US, which is 
 usually mid 40's at best instead of the design limit of 50 and typical 55 
 rating in Europe IIRC.
 
 It will clean out varnish, it's a natural detergent,and since it ignites 
 better will clear considerable carbon in the combustion areas.
 
 Give it an Italian Tuneup (sorta necessary if you drive a 240D on the 
 interstate anyway, but if you don't floor it on hills as much as you can) and 
 it should clear out nicely.
 
 Worst possible thing to do with an MB diesel engine is putter around in it, 
 they really need some high load/high fuel conditions to burn the carbon out 
 of the pre-chambers.
 
 If the problem persists, however, I recommend getting your nozzles checked.  
 If they don't have the correct opening pressure, are uneven in opening 
 pressure, or don't have a good spray pattern, you get carbon buildup.
 
 Check your chain stretch too, if the chain is worn and the timing is late, 
 you get the symptoms you have.  Don't re-set the IP, replace the chain.
 
 Reminds me that I need to check mine, I've not done it in the six years I've 
 had the car and it wasn't really taken good care of by the owners in the 
 past. PO only had it a short time because it needed too much work for him.
 
 Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well here diesel tax is only a few more cents per gallon than gas, not 80-90 
more

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 That's what I mean it seems only in the us is diesel much more expensive 
 than gas. Here gas dropped to 2.97, diesel at some spots is 3.79 but just a 
 few days ago was 4.09
 
 Taxes.  European countries want to encourage diesel (and/or grease the
 wheels of transportation), US wants to discourage it.  In fairness
 that is probably due to the amount of roads and how we fund them in
 the US.
 
 Also why gas jumps $0.40+ when you cross the SC/NC border.
 
 Best,
 -Tim
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Tim C]

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 Well here diesel tax is only a few more cents per gallon than gas, not 80-90 
 more

Yes, quite so.  That's not how it is in Europe, the taxes are much
higher on both, just much, much higher on gas.

Best,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[ernest breakfield]

hi Curt!

as some others have mentioned, the smoothness of the engine when 
burning BioD is probably more related to the way BioD ignites and burns 
than to the (much lauded) lubricity.


odds are your flat spot and acceleration changes are related to the 
injectors getting cleaned out by BioDs solvency.


the commercially produced B99 i've been buying from the factory 
lately has been going for about $4.20 for quite a while now, while #2 
prices have been somewhat higher and are only just starting to come back 
down.



cheers!
e

300Dt
~85K miles on BioD


On 27/Oct/12 09:10, Curt Raymond wrote:

Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would take) 
of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday.

Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, just 
like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think this is due 
to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles now and aside from 
the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the beginning of the throttle go away 
for which I'm very grateful. When I first got the car it would go away if I ran 
a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the 
issue. I'm also seeing better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean.

I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel Purge 
last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations returned. Of 
course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last week which surely 
helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the Bio-Diesel I bought was only 
about $0.06 more expensive than the cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was 
more convenient to my house, I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up 
there on Fridays for awhile to let the bioD do its work.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Max Dillon]

I'm only aware of one place that sells bio-diesel here in Charleston, and the 
guy running it adjusts the price to stay about 10 cents higher than Dino.  I 
called him about it once, pointed out how my car got worse mileage due to the 
lower energy content, inconvenience of going out of my way to his pump.  He 
claimed he was adjusting his price due to changes in feed stock prices.  I've 
never gone back.  Back then our state (or was it national?) was offering tax 
breaks.  Those are long gone, price seems to stay lock step ten cents higher.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Craig]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:20:45 -0700 ernest breakfield
erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote:

  odds are your flat spot and acceleration changes are related to
 the injectors getting cleaned out by BioDs solvency.

We had been having fuel gauge problems when we filled with B2 (IIRC) in
Jefferson, Iowa, after the IowaQ. In driving, I noticed the fuel gauge
problems went away.

In looking at http://www.nearbio.com/ , I found there are three biodiesel
stations in all of New Mexico. One is in Santa Fe, and the other two are
in the far-south part of the state. Maybe I'll stop by the place in Santa
Fe once I fix the fuel leaks in our 240D/3.0.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[Dieselhead]

The sunflower BioD I ran a couple of years ago was very nice stuff. 
Made the engines very smooth and quiet.




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Re: [MBZ] Bio who?

[Allan Streib]

ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org writes:

 San Francisco set up a system to do something very much like this some
 years ago, but seems to have issues related to dealing with the
 storage tanks (not the fuel itself).

I don't recall if it was San Francisco but one of the California cities
or counties passed a law that said all grease disposal had to go through
the city and their idea was to make it into biodiesel for the city
buses and trucks.  Sort of an underhanded tax as they were taking
something the restaurants could previously sell and taking it for their
own use.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Bio who?

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:

Sort of an underhanded tax as they were taking
something the restaurants could previously sell and taking it for their
own use.


Another word for a 100% in-kind tax is confiscation.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Bio who?

[Dieselhead]

Ah!  confiscation!  the favorite practice of progressive people

Progressive is another word for marxist.   And it is not groucho, 
harpo, chico and zeppo they worship.







Allan Streib wrote:

Sort of an underhanded tax as they were taking
something the restaurants could previously sell and taking it for their
own use.


Another word for a 100% in-kind tax is confiscation.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Bio who?

[G Mann]

Progressive is an abbreviation of the sentence We will progressively
remove all Constitutional guaranteed rights and all earned income from the
citizens because they are our slaves and all treasure shall only be used by
the deserving ruling elite class.

You didn't get the memo?  Must not be one of the special elite class.  Every
one at the Dacha got it.

Welcome to America, don't forget to vote for your masters.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ah!  confiscation!  the favorite practice of progressive people

 Progressive is another word for marxist.   And it is not groucho, harpo,
 chico and zeppo they worship.






  Allan Streib wrote:

 Sort of an underhanded tax as they were taking
 something the restaurants could previously sell and taking it for their
 own use.


 Another word for a 100% in-kind tax is confiscation.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Bio who?

[andrew strasfogel]

It sounds like a great idea to me.  All cities ought to undertake this sort
of community initiative.  It's local representative government at its best.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Allan Streib wrote:

 Sort of an underhanded tax as they were taking
 something the restaurants could previously sell and taking it for their
 own use.


 Another word for a 100% in-kind tax is confiscation.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Bio who?

[Curt Raymond]

Stealing from businesses is representative government at its best?

I consider myself somewhat socially liberal but even I consider this an 
absolute abomination...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:18:49 -0400
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It sounds like a great idea to me.  All cities ought to undertake this sort
of community initiative.  It's local representative government at its best.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Allan Streib wrote:

 Sort of an underhanded tax as they were taking
 something the restaurants could previously sell and taking it for their
 own use.


 Another word for a 100% in-kind tax is confiscation.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Bio who?

[andrew strasfogel]

I guess I would want to know the market value of all that WVO that was being
hijacked and put to good use.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Stealing from businesses is representative government at its best?

 I consider myself somewhat socially liberal but even I consider this an
 absolute abomination...

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:18:49 -0400
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio who?
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 It sounds like a great idea to me.  All cities ought to undertake this sort
 of community initiative.  It's local representative government at its best.

 On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

  Allan Streib wrote:
 
  Sort of an underhanded tax as they were taking
  something the restaurants could previously sell and taking it for their
  own use.
 
 
  Another word for a 100% in-kind tax is confiscation.
 
  Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Bio who?

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I guess I would want to know the market value of all that WVO that was being
hijacked and put to good use.

\
Does it matter?
The market value was positive, and a government just stole it from somebody who 
was already putting it to good use. Might get interesting if the commercial 
recyclers sued the government for interfering with the rights of restaurants to 
contract with them.


Mitch.

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