Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point
I have heard rumors that it is possible to create a mixture of Diesel and Gasoline that is volatile enough for the gasoline to vaporize, yet not volatile enough to displace all the air so that you have a combustible vapor mix in the air space of your gas tank. Would love to see this idea tested on Mythbusters. Might be just that. -Dave Walton On 2/15/06, B Dike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Green guys, > > Some of the WVO biodiesel I have been using lately has been clouding > up heavily when the temps drop into the 20s. It forms an emulsion with > the clouded fuel in the lower half of the container and clear bio on > top. Apparently 2 different feedstocks were present in the WVO. > Question: Will blending the bio with petro diesel create a solution > with a lower cloud point, or merely dilute the clouded fuel and re-emulsify > in the tank? > > Thanks, > > > > Bruce > 82 300CD 334kmi 'His' > 85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers' > 75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' > 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' > 73 220D 'It' > > - > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point
I've had a number of older diesels where the manual stated 30% gasoline mix OK. When I used to drive a semi in the great white north we regularly dumped 5 gal of gas in each tank. and I know some folks up there that still do it. There really isn't any danger of loss of pump librication when mixing it with veggie fuel. -Robert John Berryman wrote: On Wednesday, February 15, 2006, at 02:42 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Once upon a time it was even mentioned in the owners manuals. Up to 25% or so IIRC. They stopped doing that some time ago, obviously. -- Jim I have an older manual that suggests thinning with gasoline. IIRC 30% max. I've used kero but never tried gas. I'll have to give it whirl in one of my least favorite cars some time. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point
On Wednesday, February 15, 2006, at 02:42 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Once upon a time it was even mentioned in the owners manuals. Up to 25% or so IIRC. They stopped doing that some time ago, obviously. -- Jim I have an older manual that suggests thinning with gasoline. IIRC 30% max. I've used kero but never tried gas. I'll have to give it whirl in one of my least favorite cars some time. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point
Adding gasoline is NOT desirable for a variety of reasons, but it will inhibit clouding. Once upon a time it was even mentioned in the owners manuals. Up to 25% or so IIRC. They stopped doing that some time ago, obviously. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point
B Dike wrote: Green guys, Some of the WVO biodiesel I have been using lately has been clouding up heavily when the temps drop into the 20s. It forms an emulsion with the clouded fuel in the lower half of the container and clear bio on top. Apparently 2 different feedstocks were present in the WVO. Question: Will blending the bio with petro diesel create a solution with a lower cloud point, or merely dilute the clouded fuel and re-emulsify in the tank? Petrodiesel is usually winterized by adding 20-30% #1 diesel (~kerosene) or using one of the anti-gel additives that prevents clouding by binding to the waxy elements - or BOTH. The latter technique has the advantage of sequestering any water in the mix. Adding gasoline is NOT desirable for a variety of reasons, but it will inhibit clouding. Either adding gasoline, kerosene or #1 diesel can result the energy content of the fuel being 10% lower OR more and I've seen fuel economy drop as much as 20% (not sure what ALL of the contributing factors for that really are). Without knowing what the cloud point of the petro component and the clouding mechanism of your particular variety of the bio portion, the best solution isn't apparent to me. I'd try one of the commercial anti-gel formulas (I like GE OTR sold at some BP stations but Power Service Diesel Fuel Supplement is much easier to find and has worked well) or adding kerosene (or #1 diesel if it's sold in your area) but I expect that won't be as effective as adding it to petrodiesel #2. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point
Blend it with Kerosene. B80/K20 should be good enough down to 0 degrees. K does much better in cold than Dino. Luther ~ ~Chemicals are added to winter diesel to reduce cloud point and I suspect ~that mixing the two will reduce the effectiveness of the additives. You can ~purchase aftermarket additives that will reduce the clout point of diesel. I ~suggest that you experiment with one of these. ~ ~ ~Thanks, ~Tom Hargrave ~256-656-1924 ~www.kegkits.com ~ ~-Original Message- ~From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~On Behalf Of B Dike ~Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:39 PM ~To: Mercedes mailing list ~Subject: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point ~ ~Green guys, ~ ~ Some of the WVO biodiesel I have been using lately has been clouding up ~heavily when the temps drop into the 20s. It forms an emulsion with the ~clouded fuel in the lower half of the container and clear bio on top. ~Apparently 2 different feedstocks were present in the WVO. ~ Question: Will blending the bio with petro diesel create a solution with ~a lower cloud point, or merely dilute the clouded fuel and re-emulsify in ~the tank? ~ ~ Thanks, ~ ~ ~ ~Bruce ~82 300CD 334kmi 'His' ~85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers' ~75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' ~77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' ~73 220D 'It' ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)
Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point
Kerosene is often added to biodiesel to reduce its cloud point. It is often added to petrodiesel also. Regular petrodiesel will reduce the cloud point, but not as much as kerosene. Lee On Tuesday 14 February 2006 10:38, B Dike wrote: > Green guys, > > Some of the WVO biodiesel I have been using lately has been clouding up > heavily when the temps drop into the 20s. It forms an emulsion with the > clouded fuel in the lower half of the container and clear bio on top. > Apparently 2 different feedstocks were present in the WVO. Question: Will > blending the bio with petro diesel create a solution with a lower cloud > point, or merely dilute the clouded fuel and re-emulsify in the tank? > > Thanks, > > > > Bruce > 82 300CD 334kmi 'His' > 85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers' > 75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' > 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' > 73 220D 'It' > > - > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point
When running WVO in the winter when it gets below about 36 deg f I cut it with some unleaded about 20%, if its getting down into the low teens i cut up to 30% Works fine. Last winter the 300 sd with single tank started just fine without the block heater and one cycle of the glow plugs at 12 deg with a 70% WVO 30% unleaded mix. I've found the unleaded works better than additives. My diesel truck has one tank with a diesel -WVo blend in it and the screen on the electric fuel pump is getting clogged in the cold . didn't have that problem when blending with unleaded. --Robert B Dike wrote: Green guys, Some of the WVO biodiesel I have been using lately has been clouding up heavily when the temps drop into the 20s. It forms an emulsion with the clouded fuel in the lower half of the container and clear bio on top. Apparently 2 different feedstocks were present in the WVO. Question: Will blending the bio with petro diesel create a solution with a lower cloud point, or merely dilute the clouded fuel and re-emulsify in the tank? Thanks, Bruce 82 300CD 334kmi 'His' 85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers' 75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' 73 220D 'It' - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point
Green guys, Some of the WVO biodiesel I have been using lately has been clouding up heavily when the temps drop into the 20s. It forms an emulsion with the clouded fuel in the lower half of the container and clear bio on top. Apparently 2 different feedstocks were present in the WVO. Question: Will blending the bio with petro diesel create a solution with a lower cloud point, or merely dilute the clouded fuel and re-emulsify in the tank? Thanks, Bruce 82 300CD 334kmi 'His' 85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers' 75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' 73 220D 'It' - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 15 05:54:52 2006 Received: from bee.hiwaay.net ([216.180.54.11]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.52) id 1F9Fcp-Hg-0m for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:54:52 + Received: from tom ([68.62.180.47]) by bee.hiwaay.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1F5skWI1540254 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:54:49 -0600 (CST) From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:56:32 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcYx8j6skYVIdZoRRoS0VYDtM1dWKwAAe2hA In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:54:54 - Chemicals are added to winter diesel to reduce cloud point and I suspect that mixing the two will reduce the effectiveness of the additives. You can purchase aftermarket additives that will reduce the clout point of diesel. I suggest that you experiment with one of these. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of B Dike Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:39 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point Green guys, Some of the WVO biodiesel I have been using lately has been clouding up heavily when the temps drop into the 20s. It forms an emulsion with the clouded fuel in the lower half of the container and clear bio on top. Apparently 2 different feedstocks were present in the WVO. Question: Will blending the bio with petro diesel create a solution with a lower cloud point, or merely dilute the clouded fuel and re-emulsify in the tank? Thanks, Bruce 82 300CD 334kmi 'His' 85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers' 75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' 73 220D 'It' - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
