Re: [MBZ] CR on the S class

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

On 30/03/2016 11:34 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Luxury Midsized/Large Cars: Least Reliable

*Least Reliable: Mercedes-Benz S-Class*

The S-Class is brimming with features and qualities that make it stand out
among luxury cars. A powerful 4.7-liter turbo V8 provides effortless
acceleration and delivered 18 mpg overall in our tests. The S550 brings a
whole host of advanced technology, including the ability to follow the road
and stop by itself in an emergency. The ride is very plush, commanding, and
steady-the best we've ever tested-and the cabin is ultrahushed. Even though
it's large and posh, handling precision is commendable. Many controls are
overly complicated, however. A coupe version is available, and a plug-in
hybrid is new for 2016. A convertible version is due out in the
spring. Reliability
has been well below average.



Do you ever wonder if all of the badges were changed to say it was a 
Toyota, if CR would then love it and declare it all to be above 
average?


RB


that goes without saying.  Toadas get rave reviews just by saying toada.

However the toadas are also mechanized electronic gadgets. 
Throwaways.  Some are less than $100,000 but they are still throwaway 
mechanized gadgets.


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Re: [MBZ] CR on the S class

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

True

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 30, 2016, at 11:54 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Not really. I doubt that there is another car as complex as the current S
> class - therefore far more things to go wrong. Remember that we might think
> of reliable as not stranding us on the road, while the ratings people see
> any glitch (my Bluetooth won't stay connected) as unreliable.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> On 30/03/2016 11:34 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Luxury Midsized/Large Cars: Least Reliable
>>> 
>>> *Least Reliable: Mercedes-Benz S-Class*
>>> 
>>> The S-Class is brimming with features and qualities that make it stand out
>>> among luxury cars. A powerful 4.7-liter turbo V8 provides effortless
>>> acceleration and delivered 18 mpg overall in our tests. The S550 brings a
>>> whole host of advanced technology, including the ability to follow the
>>> road
>>> and stop by itself in an emergency. The ride is very plush, commanding,
>>> and
>>> steady—the best we've ever tested—and the cabin is ultrahushed. Even
>>> though
>>> it's large and posh, handling precision is commendable. Many controls are
>>> overly complicated, however. A coupe version is available, and a plug-in
>>> hybrid is new for 2016. A convertible version is due out in the
>>> spring. Reliability
>>> has been well below average.
>> Do you ever wonder if all of the badges were changed to say it was a
>> Toyota, if CR would then love it and declare it all to be above average?
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] CR on the S class

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Probably 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 30, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 30/03/2016 11:34 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>> Luxury Midsized/Large Cars: Least Reliable
>> 
>> *Least Reliable: Mercedes-Benz S-Class*
>> 
>> The S-Class is brimming with features and qualities that make it stand out
>> among luxury cars. A powerful 4.7-liter turbo V8 provides effortless
>> acceleration and delivered 18 mpg overall in our tests. The S550 brings a
>> whole host of advanced technology, including the ability to follow the road
>> and stop by itself in an emergency. The ride is very plush, commanding, and
>> steady—the best we've ever tested—and the cabin is ultrahushed. Even though
>> it's large and posh, handling precision is commendable. Many controls are
>> overly complicated, however. A coupe version is available, and a plug-in
>> hybrid is new for 2016. A convertible version is due out in the
>> spring. Reliability
>> has been well below average.
> 
> Do you ever wonder if all of the badges were changed to say it was a Toyota, 
> if CR would then love it and declare it all to be above average?
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] CR on the S class

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Lease don't buy

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On 3/30/16 12:34 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Luxury Midsized/Large Cars: Least Reliable

*Least Reliable: Mercedes-Benz S-Class*

The S-Class is brimming with features and qualities that make it stand out
among luxury cars. A powerful 4.7-liter turbo V8 provides effortless
acceleration and delivered 18 mpg overall in our tests. The S550 brings a
whole host of advanced technology, including the ability to follow the road
and stop by itself in an emergency. The ride is very plush, commanding, and
steady—the best we've ever tested—and the cabin is ultrahushed. Even though
it's large and posh, handling precision is commendable. Many controls are
overly complicated, however. A coupe version is available, and a plug-in
hybrid is new for 2016. A convertible version is due out in the
spring. Reliability
has been well below average.




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Re: [MBZ] CR on the S class

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Luxury Midsized/Large Cars: Least Reliable

*Least Reliable: Mercedes-Benz S-Class*

The S-Class is brimming with features and qualities that make it stand out
among luxury cars. A powerful 4.7-liter turbo V8 provides effortless
acceleration and delivered 18 mpg overall in our tests. The S550 brings a
whole host of advanced technology, including the ability to follow the road
and stop by itself in an emergency. The ride is very plush, commanding, and
steady-the best we've ever tested-and the cabin is ultrahushed. Even though
it's large and posh, handling precision is commendable. Many controls are
overly complicated, however. A coupe version is available, and a plug-in
hybrid is new for 2016. A convertible version is due out in the
spring. Reliability
has been well below average.

--
OK Don


Far from the reliability of a 123 Diesel.

It is a mechanized electronic gadget.  A throwaway.  A $100,000 
throwaway mechanized gadget


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Re: [MBZ] CR on the S class

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Not really. I doubt that there is another car as complex as the current S
class - therefore far more things to go wrong. Remember that we might think
of reliable as not stranding us on the road, while the ratings people see
any glitch (my Bluetooth won't stay connected) as unreliable.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 30/03/2016 11:34 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Luxury Midsized/Large Cars: Least Reliable
>>
>> *Least Reliable: Mercedes-Benz S-Class*
>>
>> The S-Class is brimming with features and qualities that make it stand out
>> among luxury cars. A powerful 4.7-liter turbo V8 provides effortless
>> acceleration and delivered 18 mpg overall in our tests. The S550 brings a
>> whole host of advanced technology, including the ability to follow the
>> road
>> and stop by itself in an emergency. The ride is very plush, commanding,
>> and
>> steady—the best we've ever tested—and the cabin is ultrahushed. Even
>> though
>> it's large and posh, handling precision is commendable. Many controls are
>> overly complicated, however. A coupe version is available, and a plug-in
>> hybrid is new for 2016. A convertible version is due out in the
>> spring. Reliability
>> has been well below average.
>>
>>
> Do you ever wonder if all of the badges were changed to say it was a
> Toyota, if CR would then love it and declare it all to be above average?
>
> RB
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] CR on the S class

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 30/03/2016 11:34 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Luxury Midsized/Large Cars: Least Reliable

*Least Reliable: Mercedes-Benz S-Class*

The S-Class is brimming with features and qualities that make it stand out
among luxury cars. A powerful 4.7-liter turbo V8 provides effortless
acceleration and delivered 18 mpg overall in our tests. The S550 brings a
whole host of advanced technology, including the ability to follow the road
and stop by itself in an emergency. The ride is very plush, commanding, and
steady—the best we've ever tested—and the cabin is ultrahushed. Even though
it's large and posh, handling precision is commendable. Many controls are
overly complicated, however. A coupe version is available, and a plug-in
hybrid is new for 2016. A convertible version is due out in the
spring. Reliability
has been well below average.



Do you ever wonder if all of the badges were changed to say it was a 
Toyota, if CR would then love it and declare it all to be above average?


RB

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[MBZ] CR on the S class

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Luxury Midsized/Large Cars: Least Reliable

*Least Reliable: Mercedes-Benz S-Class*

The S-Class is brimming with features and qualities that make it stand out
among luxury cars. A powerful 4.7-liter turbo V8 provides effortless
acceleration and delivered 18 mpg overall in our tests. The S550 brings a
whole host of advanced technology, including the ability to follow the road
and stop by itself in an emergency. The ride is very plush, commanding, and
steady—the best we've ever tested—and the cabin is ultrahushed. Even though
it's large and posh, handling precision is commendable. Many controls are
overly complicated, however. A coupe version is available, and a plug-in
hybrid is new for 2016. A convertible version is due out in the
spring. Reliability
has been well below average.

-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] CR

[pm7088]

During the 60's, C/R would consistently report the 6 cylinder Ford 500 {or a 
similar POS} it's Best Buy. So much for them as being auto experts. 


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] CR 

 Interesting -- on the NPR interview they had a guy from Consumer 
 Reports, and they referred to CR as the most authoritative recommender 
 for cars or some such... 
 
Who else does what they do? 

The IIHS crash tests them but nothing else. The magazine road tests provide 
another data point but aren't particularly impartial. Look at all the 
MB/BMW/Porsche tests where the mags practically wet themselves at times. And a 
lot of their data is skewed by who is buying big display ads that month. 

Motor Trend comes to mind although I don't know anyone who even pages 
through it free at Barnes  Noble. 

RLE 
 
 
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 Interesting -- on the NPR interview they had a guy from Consumer
 Reports, and they referred to CR as the most authoritative recommender
 for cars or some such...
 
Who else does what they do? 

The IIHS crash tests them but nothing else. The magazine road tests provide 
another data point but aren't particularly impartial. Look at all the 
MB/BMW/Porsche tests where the mags practically wet themselves at times. And a 
lot of their data is skewed by who is buying big display ads that month.

Motor Trend comes to mind although I don't know anyone who even pages 
through it free at Barnes  Noble.

RLE
  
 
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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Mitch Haley]

John Berryman wrote:
  Go to http://www.importvision.com/. They're pretty reasonable
 for 123s. I'm really surprised everyone doesn't already have a set.
  My Euros for the 201 were $229+ shpg w/clear corner lights
 included.

Bosch? Hella? Taiwan?
Looks like clear is $205 and slightly smoked is $229 now.

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[redghost]

Jim, the more I look at the heap, the more I am certain it is a true 
european edition.  That car has a bunch of not the same things that 
Gump has, and I have found at PnP.   The center console in the heap is 
completely different from Gump with that radio up high and no breather 
vents at the base.


On Tuesday, January 17, 2006, at 04:46 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Okay, I've been trying to hold back but, what is it about improved
lighting? I have absolutely no problem with the standard headlights in
my 240D and I pretty much can't imagine why I'd need more light. I
almost never use the highbeams now...


If you never get to go where it's very dark, the differences in 
lighting

are much less apparent.  Most people live and drive where there is lots
of traffic, or streetlights.

And people's eye sensitivity does vary a lot, it seems to me.

The benefit of the Hella E-codes in the SL was _not_ the 'improved'
lighting pattern, though there is some difference there, but the
fact that higher wattage bulbs can then be used.

The true euro lights of the Frankenheap do have a nice low-beam
pattern.  An even wide spread with a sharp cutoff and a nice rise
to the right.  But, given that it uses R2 bulbs and the reflectors
are aged they're none too bright.  It's rarely dark enough to
appreciate their lighting pattern.  One of the R2's died and I
flanged in an H4.  It's notably brighter, but the pattern degraded
a bit.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[redghost]

in a way it is sort of really cool.  If  you continue to salvage the 
skin from microwaves, you may be able to sell the car in arizona for 
mucho dinero.  Wonder what gauge that stuff is and would it work to 
patch Gump?


On Wednesday, January 18, 2006, at 05:54 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Jim, the more I look at the heap, the more I am certain it is a true
european edition.  That car has a bunch of not the same things that
Gump has, and I have found at PnP.   The center console in the heap is
completely different from Gump with that radio up high and no breather
vents at the base.


Yeah, no DOT stuff and a VIN that only a mother (ma Benz) could
love.  115.115-50-XX, and it just screams 'taxi' to me.
The US non-AC consoles I've seen are not the same.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Jim Cathey]

in a way it is sort of really cool.  If  you continue to salvage the
skin from microwaves, you may be able to sell the car in arizona for
mucho dinero.  Wonder what gauge that stuff is and would it work to
patch Gump?


AZ rust-free car?  Could just dip the entire car and electrolytically
remove all rust.  Rust-free wouldn't then be hole-free, but it would
be true and much easier to do than cutting and welding!  Certain
components probably would not like it though.

The microwave metal is thin: 0.022, circa 25ga, thinner than the car's
sheet metal.  (The 22ga [.030] I bought was thicker, and easier to
weld.)  Also, being painted it is _much_ harder to weld to cleanly.
Removing the paint with a rotary wire brush is a pain, and
necessary.

I'm sure it could patch Gump, though it's harder to do than with
thicker metal.  Being thinner it wouldn't last as long, of course.
On a heap, who cares?  It's a big step up from beer cans and caulk,
and the price was right.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[John Berryman]

On Jan 18, 2006, at 8:25 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


Bosch? Hella? Taiwan?
Looks like clear is $205 and slightly smoked is $229 now.


	Taiwan, very good quality(for 201). All the vacuum stuff is in  
there, factory type sealed access covers . I'm real happy with them,  
they throw a nice pattern as do the fogs. Mine have the 4-5 watt  
daytime driving light. I didn't see Bosch or Hella for the 201. I can  
get US version from the dealer for $367ea. I definitely got good bang  
for my buck. Taiwan is producing much better quality these days. Jap  
stuff was junk in the 60s now its among the best. I think the $205 is  
no corner lights.



Johnny B
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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:47:28 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Both light output and lamp life equations have high powers of
 voltage in them.  Brightness may go up with V^2 (for example),
 but life will go down with V^4 (also made-up).  My leaky memory
 says it was a power of 9 and 11, but those sound awfully high
 to me.  Regardless, it's pretty bad.

I recall the life being proportional to the 12th power of the voltage.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Mitch Haley]

Tim C wrote:
 
 How likely is it to be harassed by the fuzz if you upgrade?

When I was a pizza drivin' kid, I blew a headlight in my 3 month
old car. Had a ticket within 24 hours of the failure. Put in Hella
E-codes with 55/100 Candlepower bulbs. Pulled over a cop by
blinking my high beams in his mirror, had him take care of my
ticket. (it was a fix-it ticket, if you fix the problem within
ten days and get a cop to sign off on it there's no fine)

I drove that car another 200,000 miles with those headlights. 
When the high watt bulbs died I installed the Hella 55/60 bulbs
that came with the lights. Only got one speeding ticket the
whole time. When a deer took out my radiator, the cop writing
the accident report (in broad daylight) made no mention of the
headlights. Now that many high end cars have blindingly stupid
HID lamps, E-code halogens don't stand out at all, so you would
be even less likely to have problems.

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Marshall Booth]

There is little difference in halogen lamps of the same wattage. There 
are some techniques that can modestly increase the light output at the 
same wattage, but they will have a shorter life. Changing the light 
output results in a rather modest improvement in visibility!! Improving 
the light pattern can give a MUCH better bang for the buck. Euro lights 
with STANDARD bulbs improve visibility at night much better than 
increasing the wattage or light output of the lamp. Using brighter bulbs 
will improve on that a little, but the Euro fixture is the REAL improvement.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Curt Raymond]

Hi Dave,
   
  I've changed the headlights, they're sealed beam, I can't remember what and 
I'm to lazy to check on the spare. I got 'em at FLAPS anyway.
  Compared to my Dakota the 240D is about the same. I prefer the 240D to the 
lighting on my parent's Jeep Liberty which has a strange cutoff that I don't 
like.
  From the little I've driven it I like the lighting on the 190D but I think 
the larger issue is that I don't really think about the lighting very often. As 
I say I've only ever driven one car I thought had inadequate lighting.
  Now complaining about obnoxiously bright lights on other cars, that I do alot.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:21:49 -0700
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Curt,

It's possible you do have better eyes than most people. My night
vision ain't all that great, and if it's raining at night, that's even
worse. I'll take all the light I can get. Or, it may just be that you
haven't experienced REALLY good headlights, and are satisified with
stock 240D lights because you're used to them. Me, I've got two 124's
with Euro lights  relays, and another 124 with bone-stock DOT lights,
and the difference is huge. I've gotten comments from several
passengers about my Euro light setup, at least with the high beams on.

Another possibility is that your 240D came with Euro lights from the
PO and you just never noticed...? If they're sealed beams, they're not
Euros. If you can replace the bulb (probably H4), they are likely
Euro, or at least an advanced DOT light.

:)

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I thought it was T124 for station wagons, C124 for coupes and W124 for 
sedans but I could be wrong.

Hendrik

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ah, good to know, thanks. W126, S124I think I can keep that straight.

  Chris

Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  A wagon is also known as an S123 or 
S124, while sedans are W123 or W124.

On 1/17/06, Christopher McCann  wrote:
 interesting, I thought W just automatically preceded every chassis number.
   So, to get this straight, my 300SD is a W126, but my 87 300TD is a 124?

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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Jim Cathey]

Okay, I've been trying to hold back but, what is it about improved 
lighting? I have absolutely no problem with the standard headlights in 
my 240D and I pretty much can't imagine why I'd need more light. I 
almost never use the highbeams now...


If you never get to go where it's very dark, the differences in lighting
are much less apparent.  Most people live and drive where there is lots
of traffic, or streetlights.

And people's eye sensitivity does vary a lot, it seems to me.

The benefit of the Hella E-codes in the SL was _not_ the 'improved'
lighting pattern, though there is some difference there, but the
fact that higher wattage bulbs can then be used.

The true euro lights of the Frankenheap do have a nice low-beam
pattern.  An even wide spread with a sharp cutoff and a nice rise
to the right.  But, given that it uses R2 bulbs and the reflectors
are aged they're none too bright.  It's rarely dark enough to
appreciate their lighting pattern.  One of the R2's died and I
flanged in an H4.  It's notably brighter, but the pattern degraded
a bit.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[David Brodbeck]

Jim Cathey wrote:
Okay, I've been trying to hold back but, what is it about improved 
lighting? I have absolutely no problem with the standard headlights in 
my 240D and I pretty much can't imagine why I'd need more light. I 
almost never use the highbeams now...
 
 
 If you never get to go where it's very dark, the differences in lighting
 are much less apparent.  Most people live and drive where there is lots
 of traffic, or streetlights.

I went to college in Michigan's Upper Peninsula.  It gets really dark
out up there, and they don't repaint the road markings very often.
After a while reflective road paint doesn't reflect anymore.  Stock
headlights started to seem really inadequate for driving at more than 45
mph, even on high beam.  The dark just seemed to swallow up the beams.
The only car I rode in that really seemed to put enough light on the
road had two 8 Hella rally lights on the bumper supplementing the high
beams.  (The owner had rigged them, via relays, to go out when he
switched to low beam for the occasional oncoming car.)

Now I live in the Seattle area.  The freeways are well lit.  Good
headlights aren't as important.  Sometimes I drive away and don't
realize my headlights are off until someone flashes me!

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[John Berryman]

On Jan 17, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Okay, I've been trying to hold back but, what is it about  
improved lighting? I have absolutely no problem with the standard  
headlights in my 240D and I pretty much can't imagine why I'd need  
more light. I almost never use the highbeams now...



Take a drive up the Taconic Parkway in NY some time on a  
moonless night. The deer will thank you. DOT lights used to be the  
worst choice. Modern regs allow for better lighting.
My guess is that you do not have super human vision just nothing  
to compare your experience to. Euro lights RAWK!!


AND on many occasions other cars with their obnoxiously bright  
headlights have me ducking down in my seat so my eyes don't get  
burned by their headlights in the rearview or even sideview  
mirrors. Don't even get me started on those dammed driving lights.



There is such a thing as courtesy. Some people are

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Luther Gulseth]

what do the Euro upgrade kits normally cost for 123's?

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There is little difference in halogen lamps of the same wattage. There 
are some techniques that can modestly increase the light output at the 
same wattage, but they will have a shorter life. Changing the light 
output results in a rather modest improvement in visibility!! Improving 
the light pattern can give a MUCH better bang for the buck. Euro lights 
with STANDARD bulbs improve visibility at night much better than 
increasing the wattage or light output of the lamp. Using brighter bulbs 
will improve on that a little, but the Euro fixture is the REAL improvement.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

euro headlights?  close to 300 usually

Luther Gulseth wrote:


what do the Euro upgrade kits normally cost for 123's?

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There is little difference in halogen lamps of the same wattage. There 
are some techniques that can modestly increase the light output at the 
same wattage, but they will have a shorter life. Changing the light 
output results in a rather modest improvement in visibility!! Improving 
the light pattern can give a MUCH better bang for the buck. Euro lights 
with STANDARD bulbs improve visibility at night much better than 
increasing the wattage or light output of the lamp. Using brighter bulbs 
will improve on that a little, but the Euro fixture is the REAL improvement.


Marshall


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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Hans Neureiter]

Performance sells the HELLA Euro Halogene headlamps (7 sealed beam) for $
53.95 EA.

On 1/18/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 what do the Euro upgrade kits normally cost for 123's?

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 There is little difference in halogen lamps of the same wattage. There
 are some techniques that can modestly increase the light output at the
 same wattage, but they will have a shorter life. Changing the light
 output results in a rather modest improvement in visibility!! Improving
 the light pattern can give a MUCH better bang for the buck. Euro lights
 with STANDARD bulbs improve visibility at night much better than
 increasing the wattage or light output of the lamp. Using brighter bulbs
 will improve on that a little, but the Euro fixture is the REAL
 improvement.

 Marshall
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[MBZ] CR report on bulbs

[wilton strickland]

David, where were you in the UP?   I flew B-52s at Kincheloe '71-'75; wife
attended Lake Superior State in The Soo while there.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[John Berryman]

On Jan 18, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote:


what do the Euro upgrade kits normally cost for 123's?



Go to http://www.importvision.com/. They're pretty reasonable  
for 123s. I'm really surprised everyone doesn't already have a set.
My Euros for the 201 were $229+ shpg w/clear corner lights  
included.



Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Levi Smith]

I got a set of the 7 round E-codes from rallylights.com for about $90
including Xenon +50% bulbs...

On 1/18/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 what do the Euro upgrade kits normally cost for 123's?

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 There is little difference in halogen lamps of the same wattage. There
 are some techniques that can modestly increase the light output at the
 same wattage, but they will have a shorter life. Changing the light
 output results in a rather modest improvement in visibility!! Improving
 the light pattern can give a MUCH better bang for the buck. Euro lights
 with STANDARD bulbs improve visibility at night much better than
 increasing the wattage or light output of the lamp. Using brighter bulbs
 will improve on that a little, but the Euro fixture is the REAL
 improvement.

 Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Jim Cathey]

I dunno, I've tried just putting higher wattage bulbs in my Subaru's
headlights and the difference was really hard to tell if at all.


Without relays most wiring harnesses will not supply enough extra
current in order to supply much extra light.  Whatever extra current
does flow goes into heating the harness instead of the filament.

A voltmeter is an excellent eye-opener, just hook it between the
battery positive terminal and the headlight pin.  My wife's SL
had 1.2V of voltage drop to the high beams when stock.  After
the relay operation, _and_ doubling the bulb wattage, the drop
was only 0.3V.  Significant.  Very significant.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Levi Smith]

Sorry, left that part out.  Yes I do have upgraded wiring on there.  I did
not want to try pulling 20 amps through the standard wiring harness...  (:

Levi

On 1/18/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I dunno, I've tried just putting higher wattage bulbs in my Subaru's
  headlights and the difference was really hard to tell if at all.

 Without relays most wiring harnesses will not supply enough extra
 current in order to supply much extra light.  Whatever extra current
 does flow goes into heating the harness instead of the filament.

 A voltmeter is an excellent eye-opener, just hook it between the
 battery positive terminal and the headlight pin.  My wife's SL
 had 1.2V of voltage drop to the high beams when stock.  After
 the relay operation, _and_ doubling the bulb wattage, the drop
 was only 0.3V.  Significant.  Very significant.

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Dave M.]

Luther,

That depends - there are two options:

1) The full factory-style Euro lights for a W123, which replace the
entire USA headlight/foglight setup with a one-piece, glass-lens unit,
are not cheap - probably $200-$400 used, if you can find them. Not
sure what they cost new.

2) You can replace the 7 round sealed beams with 7 round E-code
lights. These have the Euro light pattern and a replaceable H4 bulb,
which also allows installing high-wattage bulbs (with relays) if you
want. These are a lot cheaper - more like $100/pair. But they retain
your stock 5.75 fog lights.

3) If you never use your fog lights and want to get some killer high
beams, you can replace your fog lights with a set of 5.75 high-beam
E-code driving lights. Here's a web page showing how to do it:
http://www.jaimekop.com/240D/lights/

To buy the 7 round E-codes, try www.rallylights.com or
www.danielsternlighting.com.

:-)

-Dave M.

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 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:45:57 -0800 (PST)
 From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs


 what do the Euro upgrade kits normally cost for 123's?

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[B Dike]

Our 85 300CD has Euro lights with some high output bulbs from Daniel [can't 
remember last name] Lighting.  I thought they were great and was proud of them. 
 But the long-time Benz gurus here in Seattle have declared them inappropriate 
for our area here because of the hills around here.  The sharp upper cutoff in 
the pattern either leaves the driver blind when climbing hills or blinds the 
oncoming traffic when descending, or both.  And that is exactly what happens.  
With low beams we get flashed by oncoming drivers going uphill, but the pattern 
is on spec and is scary enough on hills without lowering it further.   The old 
DOT headlights don't have that problem.
   
  Bruce

Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Okay, I've been trying to hold back but, what is it about improved 
 lighting? I have absolutely no problem with the standard headlights in 
 my 240D and I pretty much can't imagine why I'd need more light. I 
 almost never use the highbeams now...

If you never get to go where it's very dark, the differences in lighting
are much less apparent. Most people live and drive where there is lots
of traffic, or streetlights.

And people's eye sensitivity does vary a lot, it seems to me.

The benefit of the Hella E-codes in the SL was _not_ the 'improved'
lighting pattern, though there is some difference there, but the
fact that higher wattage bulbs can then be used.

The true euro lights of the Frankenheap do have a nice low-beam
pattern. An even wide spread with a sharp cutoff and a nice rise
to the right. But, given that it uses R2 bulbs and the reflectors
are aged they're none too bright. It's rarely dark enough to
appreciate their lighting pattern. One of the R2's died and I
flanged in an H4. It's notably brighter, but the pattern degraded
a bit.

-- Jim


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uses one are much much cheaper.

Trampas wrote:

 I have several doing the same thing, I assumed it was glue. I even had the
 mirror on the 85 300SD break, well the plastic on the back of mirror broke
 such that spring for the night/day mode came out. $70 and a call to Rusty
 fixed it. 
 
 Trampas
 


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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

stern

B Dike wrote:


Our 85 300CD has Euro lights with some high output bulbs from Daniel [can't 
remember last name] Lighting.  I thought they were great and was proud of them. 
 But the long-time Benz gurus here in Seattle have declared them inappropriate 
for our area here because of the hills around here.  The sharp upper cutoff in 
the pattern either leaves the driver blind when climbing hills or blinds the 
oncoming traffic when descending, or both.  And that is exactly what happens.  
With low beams we get flashed by oncoming drivers going uphill, but the pattern 
is on spec and is scary enough on hills without lowering it further.   The old 
DOT headlights don't have that problem.
   
  Bruce




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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Jim Cathey]

them.  But the long-time Benz gurus here in Seattle have declared them 
inappropriate for our area here because of the hills around here.  The 
sharp upper cutoff in the pattern either leaves the driver blind when 
climbing hills or blinds the oncoming traffic when descending, or 
both.  And that is exactly what happens.  With low beams we get 
flashed by oncoming drivers going uphill, but the pattern is on spec 
and is scary enough on hills without lowering it further.   The old 
DOT headlights don't have that problem.


That is certainly an issue.  I spent quite a bit of time dialing
in the SL's aiming, and it's definitely a compromise.  The old
DOT light pattern would have been acceptable, because what I was
really after was killer high beam performance.  But that is not
the lights I got.  I would also have preferred stock low-beam
wattage (100/50 or whatever), but that also is not what NAPA had.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] CR report on bulbs

[David Brodbeck]

wilton strickland wrote:

David, where were you in the UP?   I flew B-52s at Kincheloe '71-'75; wife
attended Lake Superior State in The Soo while there.
  


I did four and a half years at Michigan Tech, in Houghton.  It's a 
beautiful area, one of my favorite parts of the world.

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Dave M.]

That's an interesting problem, one that I've thought of but don't
often encounter here in the flatlands. On a W124, there is a factory
solution - the light range adjuster. This is a rotary dial next to
the headlight switch, with 4 level positions. The idea is that with
the car fully loaded, the rear end sags and the lights will be too
high. So you turn them down with the rotary dial! Neat idea, eh?
That's why the factory Euro light assmblies have a vacuum connection
for the diaphragm inside.

I've been using my Euro lights without this system hooked up, but just
this week I finally got around to installing the level/range adjusting
system. Basically this involves pulling 3 vacuum tubes (source, left,
and right) and plugging them into the switch, and new trim bezel. It's
a lot easier with the dash removed (I was changing the ACC vac pods).
I'll post photos when it's done. Parts needed are the rotary
switch/dial, trim bezel, and assorted vacuum plumbing.

Schematics, and some more info, is on the 124 CD-ROM, section 82-4011.
There used to be a nice writeup on the web for the 124 level control
installation, but it appears to be gone now. Here's a different one,
not as good, scroll to the bottom of the page:

http://www.mbca.org/pages/Star/articles/w124.htm

I plan to set the '1' position as normal, allowing a 'high' position
and two 'lower' positions. Note there's a different switch (and specs)
for cars with SLS.

The same setup is available for the W123, btw, the part numbers are in
the Euro EPC. Won't work with the 'round' headlights, of course.

:-)

-Dave M.

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  them.  But the long-time Benz gurus here in Seattle have declared them
  inappropriate for our area here because of the hills around here.  The
  sharp upper cutoff in the pattern either leaves the driver blind when
  climbing hills or blinds the oncoming traffic when descending, or
  both.  And that is exactly what happens.  With low beams we get
  flashed by oncoming drivers going uphill, but the pattern is on spec
  and is scary enough on hills without lowering it further.   The old
  DOT headlights don't have that problem.

 That is certainly an issue.  I spent quite a bit of time dialing
 in the SL's aiming, and it's definitely a compromise.  The old
 DOT light pattern would have been acceptable, because what I was
 really after was killer high beam performance.  But that is not
 the lights I got.  I would also have preferred stock low-beam
 wattage (100/50 or whatever), but that also is not what NAPA had.

 -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Christopher McCann]

silver star sealed beam lights don't last very long.
  
  Chris (upgrading to hella, non sealed beams, Euro style)
  

Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Dave asked:  What were your plans 
that are now kinked?

Nothing big, I was going to sucker up the money and try a set of Sylvania
Silverstars, one of the tested sets.  The other four were:  APC  Plasma
Ultrs White; GE Nighthawk; Philips Crystal Vision and Wagner TruView.

I am interested in your offer to post more information.  I need to be
schooled on identification, where to look for what so I can tell what I
have.  MY Wagon has the best lights and when I bought the 300D Euro, the PO
gave me a box with two headlight and one tail light assembly, IIRC, they
came off the car at conversion into the US.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans


- Original Message - 
From: Dave M. 

 Harry,

 What were your plans that are now kinked? For the record, any cars
 with 9004 bulbs are screwed - there is nothing you can do to improve
 those. For MB's with H3 or H4 bulbs (including most all Euro lights),
 there are some premium bulbs that do put out more light at stock
 wattage, but the tradeoff is higher cost (about $40/pair) and shorter
 life (couple hundred hours). Anything with a blue tint is for
 appearance, not performance, despite claims to the contrary. I can
 post more info  links if anyone is interested.

 For the record, two of my 124's have Euro lights with relays and I use
 high-wattage Rally bulbs in those. In my VW with Euro lights but no
 relays, I use the premium plus 50 stock wattage bulbs. My third 124
 has stock, crappy DOT lighting with 9004 bulbs... duct-taping a pair
 of D-cell Mag Lites to the hood would be an improvement.

 :)

 -Dave M.

  From: Harry Watkins 
  Subject: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs
 
 
  The December issue of Consumers Report tested five premium replacement
bulbs on three different vehicles.
 
  Skipping to their bottom line.  While they do yield whiter-looking
light, premium aftermarket halogen don't offer a consistent performance
advantage over original equipment bulbs and they can perform worse.
 
  In the text, they report finding only one set of bulbs, in one vehicle
improved low beam sight distance.  That was the GE Nighthawk in the Honda
Ridgeline.
 
  They stated the bulb's costs from $26 to $40 a pair and stated that this
was two to three times more than standard bulbs.
 
  Throws a kink in my plans.
 
  Harry Watkins
  Newton, MS

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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

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Did anyone mention this place? Anygood?
  
  http://www.rallylights.com/
  
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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Lee Levitt]

Chris,

I did. I've been buying from them for a long time. They had a =

change in management a couple of years ago and I've continued to =

see good service and an expanded product offering.

Ken, the original owner, was active in rallying and rally support. =

I don't know about the new owners...but again, i'm a very =

satisfied customer.

Lee



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 Did anyone mention this place? Anygood?
 http://www.rallylights.com/
 THanks, Chris
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 longer carries overwatt Rally bulbs, but Dan
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 I buy my overwattage Hx bulbs at NAPA.  The key word is =

 'motorcycle'.
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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[BillR]

If I have spent $40 for what could have been achieved with a good wash and
another $9 bulb I would be ticked.  Old bulb was clean though, and I do not
know the wear characteristics on a halogen bulb [do they turn yellow and dim
with age?].  Old one, even with clean glass, looked like a warm yellow
marshmallow in comparison.  Part might have been the reflection off the
white back wall of the Sam's vinyl tent/shed I bought after the recent paint
job - but things do seem to show much better.  Which devil do you normally
advocate for?
BillR  

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Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:57 AM
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BillR wrote:
 Harry - I just had a bulb go out in my '81 SD and replaced it with the 
 Sylvania super bright white [19.98 at Advanced Auto; 24.xx at Pep Boys].
 When I pulled into my shed that evening the new bulb was a great deal 
 brighter and more focused than the old halogen.  I ended up replacing 
 the other good bulb and do see a difference.  Could be that the whiter 
 and more focused light I see against the white back wall does not 
 translate into better performance on the road when in a test vehicle, 
 but seems much better.
   

Just to play devil's advocate: I recently replaced a burned out headlight on
my '83 300D.  The brand new bulb was noticably brighter and whiter than the
remaining old bulb.  Both were standard halogens.


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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[David Brodbeck]

BillR wrote:

If I have spent $40 for what could have been achieved with a good wash and
another $9 bulb I would be ticked.  Old bulb was clean though, and I do not
know the wear characteristics on a halogen bulb [do they turn yellow and dim
with age?].


Yeah, they do.  They don't darken inside as dramatically as a 
non-halogen bulb, but they do lose brightness and get yellower with 
age.  I'm sure the difference isn't as dramatic as what you're getting 
with the Silverstars, though, which are coated to emphasize the blue 
part of the spectrum more.  It also wouldn't explain the improved 
sharpness in the pattern, which could really only be coming from better 
optics.


Voltage drop from bad connections at the bulb will also make it look 
dramatically yellower.



Which devil do you normally advocate for?
  


In this case, maybe the buyer's remorse devil. ;)

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[John Berryman]

On Monday, Jan 16, 2006, at 20:53 US/Eastern, Christopher McCann wrote:

Nothing big, I was going to sucker up the money and try a set of 
Sylvania

Silverstars,


	I am running them in my 190D Euro and I have no complaints with the 
light they shed. 60/55s its been only a week and a few days, so I can't 
comment on longevity. If you need to see don't wait for all the reports 
to come in, buy some bulbs. Even standard Sylvania H-4s work great. 
Anything is better than the DOT lights that were forced on us back in 
the day.


Johnny B
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[BillR]

A couple of days doesn't have much to tell on longevity, but on day 2 I am
with Johnny B and pretty happy with the Silverstars.  If they go belly up in
a few months it won't be the first time I've known the buyer's remorse
devil.
BillR
Jacksonville FL  -  45 degrees and that is cold enough 
1981 300SD  'EM'  270k

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

BillR wrote:
 If I have spent $40 for what could have been achieved with a good wash 
 and another $9 bulb I would be ticked.  Old bulb was clean though, and 
 I do not know the wear characteristics on a halogen bulb [do they turn 
 yellow and dim with age?].

Yeah, they do.  They don't darken inside as dramatically as a non-halogen
bulb, but they do lose brightness and get yellower with age.  I'm sure the
difference isn't as dramatic as what you're getting with the Silverstars,
though, which are coated to emphasize the blue part of the spectrum more.
It also wouldn't explain the improved sharpness in the pattern, which could
really only be coming from better optics.

Voltage drop from bad connections at the bulb will also make it look
dramatically yellower.

 Which devil do you normally advocate for?
   

In this case, maybe the buyer's remorse devil. ;)


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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Robert Tara Ludwick]

For a bunch of interesting ( and mind numbing :-) info in headlight 
bulbs , checkout  http://www.danielsternlighting.com/ 
Look in the tech articles, interesting stuff.


Robert

BillR wrote:

A couple of days doesn't have much to tell on longevity, but on day 2 I am
with Johnny B and pretty happy with the Silverstars.  If they go belly up in
a few months it won't be the first time I've known the buyer's remorse
devil.
BillR
Jacksonville FL  -  45 degrees and that is cold enough 
1981 300SD  'EM'  270k


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BillR wrote:
  
If I have spent $40 for what could have been achieved with a good wash 
and another $9 bulb I would be ticked.  Old bulb was clean though, and 
I do not know the wear characteristics on a halogen bulb [do they turn 
yellow and dim with age?].



Yeah, they do.  They don't darken inside as dramatically as a non-halogen
bulb, but they do lose brightness and get yellower with age.  I'm sure the
difference isn't as dramatic as what you're getting with the Silverstars,
though, which are coated to emphasize the blue part of the spectrum more.
It also wouldn't explain the improved sharpness in the pattern, which could
really only be coming from better optics.

Voltage drop from bad connections at the bulb will also make it look
dramatically yellower.

  

Which devil do you normally advocate for?
  



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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Mitch Haley]

David Brodbeck wrote:
   It also wouldn't explain the improved
 sharpness in the pattern, which could really only be coming from better
 optics.
 

Or better alignment of the filament with the optics. 
I believe this is why Osram and Hella bulbs worked better
in my 6x8 rectangular E-code lamps than JC Whitney bulbs
from a plain white box marked Taiwan. I did once get
some bulbs from Whitney with the name Candlepower stamped
on the plain white box, those were good, I think they may
have been made in Germany.

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[John Berryman]

On Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006, at 06:50 US/Eastern, Mitch Haley wrote:


 I did once get
some bulbs from Whitney with the name Candlepower stamped
on the plain white box, those were good, I think they may
have been made in Germany.



	The ones marked Candlepower are made by Sylvania, specifically by the 
plant where Dan Stern works(ed). I just know these things.


Johnny B
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Tom Hargrave]

I like the additional light that the SilverStar's provide but I can confirm
that they don't last as long. I drive about 50,000 miles / year and I've
replaced quite a few.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



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John Berryman wrote:
 On Monday, Jan 16, 2006, at 20:53 US/Eastern, Christopher McCann wrote:

 Nothing big, I was going to sucker up the money and try a set of
 Sylvania
 Silverstars,

   I am running them in my 190D Euro and I have no complaints with the
 light they shed. 60/55s its been only a week and a few days, so I can't
 comment on longevity. If you need to see don't wait for all the reports
 to come in, buy some bulbs. Even standard Sylvania H-4s work great.
 Anything is better than the DOT lights that were forced on us back in
 the day.

I'm running Silver Stars on several of my cars. Very minor improvement
in illumination (I ran each car with one new Silver Star and one NEW
conventional light to compare). The slightly whiter color is an
improvement and they are marginally brighter, but not worth more than
double the price for the lamps. They've been in for several years now
but I hear they are short lived. I will NOT pay a premium again if they
don't last at least nearly as long as the conventional halogens.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Dave M.]

Marshall,

Are you running the Sylvania SilverStars that are commonly available
in the USA, or the good Osram SilverStars ones that you have to buy
from Dan Stern or PowerBulbs.com? The Osrams are +50%, the Sylvania
are +30%, and are NOT the same bulb despite the same name (terrible
marketing, rgh!). The Osrams should be brighter, but would have an
even shorter life.

The 130/100 bulbs I had in my white car (with relays) lasted about 4-6
months, since I drive with low beams on all the time as DRL's. But WOW
did they ever light up the road... 460w total on high beam (with 500E
Euro lights). I think the total current draw was something like 25-30A
on high beam, lol... good thing I had the 150A alternator. I've got
the same setup on my blue diesel and E500 now... relays, big bulbs,
and big alternator.

:-)

+dm



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 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:14:24 -0500
 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs


 I'm running Silver Stars on several of my cars. Very minor improvement
 in illumination (I ran each car with one new Silver Star and one NEW
 conventional light to compare). The slightly whiter color is an
 improvement and they are marginally brighter, but not worth more than
 double the price for the lamps. They've been in for several years now
 but I hear they are short lived. I will NOT pay a premium again if they
 don't last at least nearly as long as the conventional halogens.

 Marshall

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Jim Cathey]

The 130/100 bulbs I had in my white car (with relays) lasted about 4-6
months, since I drive with low beams on all the time as DRL's. But WOW
did they ever light up the road... 460w total on high beam


We run 100/80's (common motorcycle bulb) in our for-sale 450 SL, and
the 400W of deer-finding (combust-a-cat?) high beams is truly wonderful.
We're still on the first set of bulbs, but the car doesn't get a lot of
dark miles put on it since they started salting the roads in winter
here.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Marshall Booth]

Christopher McCann wrote:

the sealed units lasted me 5 months/10,000 miles. They each died within 1 day 
of the other.



That's VERY short life. All of my OE lamps have lasted in excess of 
100kmi (some nearly double that) but I have NO idea how many hours of 
lamp operation that amounts to. I enjoy night driving and made long 
trips at night whenever possible, but I'm sure it did not comprise the 
majority of my driving.


The life of the lamps WILL be inversely (but not linearly) proportional 
to the output from the voltage regulator. All other things being equal, 
if your voltage regulator limits the alternator output to 13.8 V or a 
bit less (as the OE regulators in my cars did) the lamp life will be 
almost double that of lamps run with a voltage regulator output of 14.4 
V. Small changes in voltage translate in large changes in lamp life.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Jim Cathey]

The life of the lamps WILL be inversely (but not linearly) proportional
to the output from the voltage regulator. All other things being equal,
if your voltage regulator limits the alternator output to 13.8 V or a
bit less (as the OE regulators in my cars did) the lamp life will be
almost double that of lamps run with a voltage regulator output of 14.4
V. Small changes in voltage translate in large changes in lamp life.


Both light output and lamp life equations have high powers of
voltage in them.  Brightness may go up with V^2 (for example),
but life will go down with V^4 (also made-up).  My leaky memory
says it was a power of 9 and 11, but those sound awfully high
to me.  Regardless, it's pretty bad.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Marshall Booth]

Jim Cathey wrote:

The life of the lamps WILL be inversely (but not linearly) proportional
to the output from the voltage regulator. All other things being equal,
if your voltage regulator limits the alternator output to 13.8 V or a
bit less (as the OE regulators in my cars did) the lamp life will be
almost double that of lamps run with a voltage regulator output of 14.4
V. Small changes in voltage translate in large changes in lamp life.


Both light output and lamp life equations have high powers of
voltage in them.  Brightness may go up with V^2 (for example),
but life will go down with V^4 (also made-up).  My leaky memory
says it was a power of 9 and 11, but those sound awfully high
to me.  Regardless, it's pretty bad.

-- Jim


I don't recall the equations either (it's been almost 50 years since I 
even saw them - whe  I was working as a theatrical lighting designer) 
but as light intensity increases with voltage increase, longevity 
decreases a LOT faster!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Curt Raymond]

Okay, I've been trying to hold back but, what is it about improved lighting? 
I have absolutely no problem with the standard headlights in my 240D and I 
pretty much can't imagine why I'd need more light. I almost never use the 
highbeams now...
  AND on many occasions other cars with their obnoxiously bright headlights 
have me ducking down in my seat so my eyes don't get burned by their headlights 
in the rearview or even sideview mirrors. Don't even get me started on those 
dammed driving lights.
   
  Do I just have better eyes than most people? The only car I've ever driven 
that I thought had inadequate lighting was a '79 Saab that I'm pretty sure had 
electrics problems.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:21:36 -0700
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Marshall,

Are you running the Sylvania SilverStars that are commonly available
in the USA, or the good Osram SilverStars ones that you have to buy
from Dan Stern or PowerBulbs.com? The Osrams are +50%, the Sylvania
are +30%, and are NOT the same bulb despite the same name (terrible
marketing, rgh!). The Osrams should be brighter, but would have an
even shorter life.

The 130/100 bulbs I had in my white car (with relays) lasted about 4-6
months, since I drive with low beams on all the time as DRL's. But WOW
did they ever light up the road... 460w total on high beam (with 500E
Euro lights). I think the total current draw was something like 25-30A
on high beam, lol... good thing I had the 150A alternator. I've got
the same setup on my blue diesel and E500 now... relays, big bulbs,
and big alternator.

:-)

+dm



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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[barrystark]

So Curt, with all the jokes about  240Ds and getting bug splats on the rear 
window...is it possible for you to outdrive your headlights?

Barry (ducking)


 Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Okay, I've been trying to hold back but, what is it about improved 
 lighting? I have absolutely no problem with the standard headlights in my 
 240D and I pretty much can't imagine why I'd need more light. I almost never 
 use the highbeams now...
   AND on many occasions other cars with their obnoxiously bright headlights 
 have me ducking down in my seat so my eyes don't get burned by their 
 headlights in the rearview or even sideview mirrors. Don't even get me 
 started on those dammed driving lights.

   Do I just have better eyes than most people? The only car I've ever driven 
 that I thought had inadequate lighting was a '79 Saab that I'm pretty sure 
 had electrics problems.

   -Curt

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Tim C]

How likely is it to be harassed by the fuzz if you upgrade?  I.e, are we
talking obviously blinding everyone else, or the lights are so crappy that
aftermarket upgrades (off road only etc) just bring them up to current
standards (I actually am surprised some of the HID setups are even legal,
from how much glare they have...).

T (crappy lights made worse by pointing at ground - thanks for the replies
on light adjustments by the way - I'll have to try them when it quits
snowing)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave M.
 Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:22 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs
 
 
 Curt,
 
 It's possible you do have better eyes than most people. My 
 night vision ain't all that great, and if it's raining at 
 night, that's even worse. I'll take all the light I can get. 
 Or, it may just be that you haven't experienced REALLY good 
 headlights, and are satisified with stock 240D lights because 
 you're used to them. Me, I've got two 124's with Euro lights 
  relays, and another 124 with bone-stock DOT lights, and the 
 difference is huge. I've gotten comments from several 
 passengers about my Euro light setup, at least with the high beams on.
 
 Another possibility is that your 240D came with Euro lights 
 from the PO and you just never noticed...? If they're sealed 
 beams, they're not Euros. If you can replace the bulb 
 (probably H4), they are likely Euro, or at least an advanced 
 DOT light.

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[BillR]

Harry - I just had a bulb go out in my '81 SD and replaced it with the
Sylvania super bright white [19.98 at Advanced Auto; 24.xx at Pep Boys].
When I pulled into my shed that evening the new bulb was a great deal
brighter and more focused than the old halogen.  I ended up replacing the
other good bulb and do see a difference.  Could be that the whiter and more
focused light I see against the white back wall does not translate into
better performance on the road when in a test vehicle, but seems much
better.
BillR
Jacksonville FL 
1981 300SD   EM   270k 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Harry Watkins
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:04 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

The December issue of Consumers Report tested five premium replacement bulbs
on three different vehicles.

Skipping to their bottom line.  While they do yield whiter-looking light,
premium aftermarket halogen don't offer a consistent performance advantage
over original equipment bulbs and they can perform worse.

In the text, they report finding only one set of bulbs, in one vehicle
improved low beam sight distance.  That was the GE Nighthawk in the Honda
Ridgeline.

They stated the bulb's costs from $26 to $40 a pair and stated that this was
two to three times more than standard bulbs.

Throws a kink in my plans.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans
  
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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Harry Watkins]

Dave asked:  What were your plans that are now kinked?

Nothing big, I was going to sucker up the money and try a set of Sylvania
Silverstars, one of the tested sets.  The other four were:  APC  Plasma
Ultrs White; GE Nighthawk; Philips Crystal Vision and Wagner TruView.

I am interested in your offer to post more information.  I need to be
schooled on identification, where to look for what so I can tell what I
have.  MY Wagon has the best lights and when I bought the 300D Euro, the PO
gave me a box with two headlight and one tail light assembly, IIRC, they
came off the car at conversion into the US.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans


- Original Message - 
From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Harry,

 What were your plans that are now kinked? For the record, any cars
 with 9004 bulbs are screwed - there is nothing you can do to improve
 those. For MB's with H3 or H4 bulbs (including most all Euro lights),
 there are some premium bulbs that do put out more light at stock
 wattage, but the tradeoff is higher cost (about $40/pair) and shorter
 life (couple hundred hours). Anything with a blue tint is for
 appearance, not performance, despite claims to the contrary. I can
 post more info  links if anyone is interested.

 For the record, two of my 124's have Euro lights with relays and I use
 high-wattage Rally bulbs in those. In my VW with Euro lights but no
 relays, I use the premium plus 50 stock wattage bulbs. My third 124
 has stock, crappy DOT lighting with 9004 bulbs... duct-taping a pair
 of D-cell Mag Lites to the hood would be an improvement.

 :)

 -Dave M.

  From: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs
 
 
  The December issue of Consumers Report tested five premium replacement
bulbs on three different vehicles.
 
  Skipping to their bottom line.  While they do yield whiter-looking
light, premium aftermarket halogen don't offer a consistent performance
advantage over original equipment bulbs and they can perform worse.
 
  In the text, they report finding only one set of bulbs, in one vehicle
improved low beam sight distance.  That was the GE Nighthawk in the Honda
Ridgeline.
 
  They stated the bulb's costs from $26 to $40 a pair and stated that this
was two to three times more than standard bulbs.
 
  Throws a kink in my plans.
 
  Harry Watkins
  Newton, MS

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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[John Ervine]

Harry Watkins wrote:


Nothing big, I was going to sucker up the money and try a set of Sylvania
Silverstars, one of the tested sets.  The other four were:  APC  Plasma
Ultrs White; GE Nighthawk; Philips Crystal Vision and Wagner TruView.


The Sylvania Silverstars are okay.  On the other hand, the *Osram* Silverstars 
are great bulbs.  Just good luck finding them.


And yes, Osram owns Sylvania, and no, I don't know why they put out two bulbs 
with the same name but are different from one another, but they do.


--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
1980 300TD 170+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Harry Watkins]

Bill

CR did two tests, one for distance, outside on a moonless night, standing
still and seeing what distance they could see signs they had set up.  The
brightness test was inside a dark building where they measured illuminance.
Sounds like that may be what you saw in your shed.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans

- Original Message - 
From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Harry - I just had a bulb go out in my '81 SD and replaced it with the
 Sylvania super bright white [19.98 at Advanced Auto; 24.xx at Pep Boys].
 When I pulled into my shed that evening the new bulb was a great deal
 brighter and more focused than the old halogen.  I ended up replacing the
 other good bulb and do see a difference.  Could be that the whiter and
more
 focused light I see against the white back wall does not translate into
 better performance on the road when in a test vehicle, but seems much
 better.
 BillR
 Jacksonville FL
 1981 300SD   EM   270k

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Harry Watkins
 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:04 PM
 To: Diesel List
 Subject: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

 The December issue of Consumers Report tested five premium replacement
bulbs
 on three different vehicles.

 Skipping to their bottom line.  While they do yield whiter-looking
light,
 premium aftermarket halogen don't offer a consistent performance advantage
 over original equipment bulbs and they can perform worse.

 In the text, they report finding only one set of bulbs, in one vehicle
 improved low beam sight distance.  That was the GE Nighthawk in the Honda
 Ridgeline.

 They stated the bulb's costs from $26 to $40 a pair and stated that this
was
 two to three times more than standard bulbs.

 Throws a kink in my plans.

 Harry Watkins
 Newton, MS
 86 SDL Silver
 85 300D Euro
 86 SDL Gold
 81 240D manual trans

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Lee Levitt]

Harry writes:
 
 Nothing big, I was going to sucker up the money and try a set 
 of Sylvania Silverstars, one of the tested sets.  The other 
 four were:  APC  Plasma Ultrs White; GE Nighthawk; Philips 
 Crystal Vision and Wagner TruView.

Check out www.rallylights.com. I ordered a set of their high performance
bulbs for the ecode lamps I'm installing in my W124. Haven't got them in
yet, so I can't comment on the results.

Lee
'93 300D 2.5 181K

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Dave M.]

Lee, what brand/model bulbs did you order? I'm curious to hear what
you get, and how they work. Another source is www.powerbulbs.com and
they do ship from across the pond.

:)

+dm

 --
 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:03:14 -0500
 From: Lee Levitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

 Harry writes:
 
  Nothing big, I was going to sucker up the money and try a set
  of Sylvania Silverstars, one of the tested sets.  The other
  four were:  APC  Plasma Ultrs White; GE Nighthawk; Philips
  Crystal Vision and Wagner TruView.

 Check out www.rallylights.com. I ordered a set of their high performance
 bulbs for the ecode lamps I'm installing in my W124. Haven't got them in
 yet, so I can't comment on the results.

 Lee
 '93 300D 2.5 181K

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Lee Levitt]

Dave,

I ordered the high performance 50%+ bulbs. I think they're H4 and H1 or H4
and H3, can't remember off hand what goes into the ecode lamps...

Lee 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave M.
 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:37 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs
 
 Lee, what brand/model bulbs did you order? I'm curious to 
 hear what you get, and how they work. Another source is 
 www.powerbulbs.com and they do ship from across the pond.
 
 :)
 
 +dm
 
  
 --
  Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:03:14 -0500
  From: Lee Levitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs
 
  Harry writes:
  
   Nothing big, I was going to sucker up the money and try a set of 
   Sylvania Silverstars, one of the tested sets.  The other 
 four were:  
   APC  Plasma Ultrs White; GE Nighthawk; Philips Crystal Vision and 
   Wagner TruView.
 
  Check out www.rallylights.com. I ordered a set of their high 
  performance bulbs for the ecode lamps I'm installing in my W124. 
  Haven't got them in yet, so I can't comment on the results.
 
  Lee
  '93 300D 2.5 181K
 
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Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[Jim Cathey]

Sadly, PowerBulbs no longer carries overwatt Rally bulbs, but Dan
Stern can get them.


I buy my overwattage Hx bulbs at NAPA.  The key word is 'motorcycle'.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs

[R A Bennell]

Don't know if it applies to cars, but my recollection is that some bikes
were not up to the higher wattage bulbs due to the electrical system. If you
acquire bigger wattage bulbs, you may wish to do a little checking to ensure
that you do not end up in the dark suddenly with your wiring harness on
fire.

Randy

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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:46 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] CR report on headlight bulbs


 Sadly, PowerBulbs no longer carries overwatt Rally bulbs, but Dan
 Stern can get them.

I buy my overwattage Hx bulbs at NAPA.  The key word is 'motorcycle'.

-- Jim


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