Re: [MBZ] Chinese quality, when needed
Allan, The issue is not regulations, but labor cost. The platers have figured out a clean process. The company in India who I purchase from runs a modern plating shop that wouls be legal in any state in the union but California. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07/20/07 08:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese quality, when needed -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, and we currently import chrome plated beer towers beer faucets from India the finish is absolutely perfect, better than the product we buy from stateside manufacturers. How much of this is due to stateside manufacturers being hamstrung by draconian environmental regulations (chroming involves some rather nasty chemicals), whereas foreign chromers can do whatever works. Or is this not a factor? I seem to recall hearing that some of the best rechroming services for restorers are in Mexico, for this reason. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chinese quality, when needed
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, and we currently import chrome plated beer towers beer faucets from India the finish is absolutely perfect, better than the product we buy from stateside manufacturers. How much of this is due to stateside manufacturers being hamstrung by draconian environmental regulations (chroming involves some rather nasty chemicals), whereas foreign chromers can do whatever works. Or is this not a factor? I seem to recall hearing that some of the best rechroming services for restorers are in Mexico, for this reason. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chinese quality, when needed
True. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 8:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese quality, when needed Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, and we currently import chrome plated beer towers beer faucets from India the finish is absolutely perfect, better than the product we buy from stateside manufacturers. How much of this is due to stateside manufacturers being hamstrung by draconian environmental regulations (chroming involves some rather nasty chemicals), whereas foreign chromers can do whatever works. Or is this not a factor? I seem to recall hearing that some of the best rechroming services for restorers are in Mexico, for this reason. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chinese quality, when needed
Yup, and the US shouldn't allow importing of plated items from countries that don't have the same requirements. That would level the playing field pretty quick. I live on the outskirts of a town that has a major industrial furniture plant where they do a lot of plating. For years their idea of environmental standards was to open the windows at night ( I hate to think what the cancer and birth defect rate was in that place with all that lovely cyanide gas and other nasties floating around,but it was common knowledge for years that this town had the highest rates of allergies asthma etc in the state ) . Something finally got done about the place a few years ago and ( my guess is whoever was getting paid off retired ), oddly enough , the last few years , we've been seeing tons of squirrels, rabbits ,, and amazing number of large predatory birds( all of which should be loosing population due to the loss of farmland from urban sprawl ), lots of other critters and all kinds of assorted songbirds all over the place, even though urban sprawl has come to our doorstep. for about 15-20 years small wildlife and birds had got pretty scarce and the only birds stout enough to handle it were the starlings. I certainly wouldn't call those environmental regs draconian. Part of the reason that you can get high quality plated items from other countries is that they can get a whole building full of people to manually polish each item for about $0.50 a day each. ---Robert Allan Streib wrote: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, and we currently import chrome plated beer towers beer faucets from India the finish is absolutely perfect, better than the product we buy from stateside manufacturers. How much of this is due to stateside manufacturers being hamstrung by draconian environmental regulations (chroming involves some rather nasty chemicals), whereas foreign chromers can do whatever works. Or is this not a factor? I seem to recall hearing that some of the best rechroming services for restorers are in Mexico, for this reason. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chinese quality, when needed
My 2 cents (ok, maybe $2.00) worth. I have a set of wrenches in my tool box that I've owned for over 25 years. They are Chrome Vanadium steel, have served me very well over the years were made in China. My great grandchildren will be using these cheap (but high quality) wrenches because they refuse to die. I wish I knew who made them - they have no name brand but they have a very durable chrome plating, are marked with Chrome Vanadium and Made in China. I bought the entire set from a retail outlet that is no longer in business. I've split more Craftsman sockets than I care to count I've broken 2 Craftsman ratchets - at least they replace them for free. I twisted the end off 2 Great Neck 1/2 drive breaker bars (VW rear axle nuts / 200 lb feet of torque) - Auto-Zone also replace them for free. I've worn out several dozen Philip tip flat blade screw drivers. I've damaged my share of fittings with worn out tools. My overall experience with tools? Buy tools made of Chrome Vanadium steel, regardless of the manufacturer. Buy sockets ratchets breaker bars from local suppliers who will replace them on the spot - you can't wait for one to come in the mail if your car is sitting on jack stands in your driveway today. Never use a worn out tool on a fastener - it's never worth the damage. Oh, and we currently import chrome plated beer towers beer faucets from India the finish is absolutely perfect, better than the product we buy from stateside manufacturers. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:30 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese quality, when needed It's been my experience that in most countries, manufacturers are willing and able to supply whatever quality you're willing to pay for. Most people don't go to china for high quality, high priced items, but if they did, they'd likely find manufacturers willing and able to match most quality specifications. Such as: http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/aboutus/boechina.html RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chinese quality, when needed
Tom: My rule of thumb is this: Craftsman in my garage (many hanging on a pegboard). Cheapo stuff in my Benz trunk's toolbox for emergency repairs. I guess I am a product of the GSA cheap crap that we were issued in the military. It got so bad that I finally turned in my GSA tools, purchased everything I needed from Craftsman, and went back to fixing airplanes with tools that actually worked right. At the time, I made about $10,000 a year as a mid-level enlisted supervisor. But hey, the Coast Guard philosophy is that the guys who fly in the planes are the same guys who fix the planes. My job was avionics, which meant that it was MY SKILLS the determined whether or not we achieved to a successful landing during fog. This was in the late 1970s. I am still using 99% of those same tools in 2007. The other 1% I either lost or had stolen during the years, and have replaced with Craftsman. On 7/19/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 2 cents (ok, maybe $2.00) worth. I have a set of wrenches in my tool box that I've owned for over 25 years. They are Chrome Vanadium steel, have served me very well over the years were made in China. My great grandchildren will be using these cheap (but high quality) wrenches because they refuse to die. I wish I knew who made them - they have no name brand but they have a very durable chrome plating, are marked with Chrome Vanadium and Made in China. I bought the entire set from a retail outlet that is no longer in business. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
