I am loving the 560 torque and silence. No drama just gets on with it.
Anyone with range anxiety would do better to buy the Tesla, however.
My issues with Tesla are more to do with who owns the data.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 8:18 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
Mercedes has done it in the W211, I believe. There was an obscure option for
cars with the “oversize” sunroofs (panorama?) that had a solar panel and a
little fan that would exhaust cabin air to the outside when the car was closed
up and the sun was shining. I saw this once and researched it, be
There must be a graveyard somewhere for brilliant innovations that got
murdered.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 1:18 PM mitch--- via Mercedes
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> On 2022-01-26 11:38, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > I like the idea of ventilation or possibly even cooling a parked
> > vehicle.
>
> Saab ha
On 2022-01-26 11:38, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
I like the idea of ventilation or possibly even cooling a parked
vehicle.
Saab had a concept car in the 1980s with a solar powered exhaust fan to
cool the interior when the sun was shining. But that simple idea never
made it to a prod
At higher speeds you get tire and wind noise but at parking lot or intersection
turn speeds there’s no aural cue. I definitely don’t wear listening devices.
Maybe I need rear radar sensors. I think there actually is such a thing for
bikes
--FT
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> On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:11 PM, All
Cc: Allan Streib
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cognitive Dissonance Much?
My attempt at "doing the math:" solar radiation at noon on a clear day is,
from what I can tell, about 1KW/m^2. How many square meters on a car roof?
Maybe two or a little more? Photovoltaic cells are 20% efficient at be
Apparently there is a rule, sounds like implemention was delayed a bit but
maybe by now it is in force? So the newest EVs and Hybrids should have
noisemakers to alert pedestrians to their presence below 19MPH. Not sure this
really helps a cyclist with an EV passing at 30MPH, but I see so many pe
Dunno, but this thing doesn’t make any noise. It’s creepy.
-D
> On Jan 26, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I thought there was a law or DOT reg that said EVs had to have some kind of
> noisemaker because they are too quiet? Maybe it was just something that was
> prop
I thought there was a law or DOT reg that said EVs had to have some kind of
noisemaker because they are too quiet? Maybe it was just something that was
proposed?
Allan
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022, at 5:19 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> I have come close to being run over by a Pious 2X whi
I have come close to being run over by a Pious 2X while on my bike when they
came up behind me and tried to pass (illegally), couldn’t hear them and did not
see them until they were right there. I was lucky.
--FT
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> On Jan 26, 2022, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
> wro
Other than the car payment aspect, I could deal with the rest of these.
However, and not to beat the proverbial horse, I don’t see these being any
better for the environment for a wealth of reasons that have already been
addressed. When you consider the materials required for the batteries you c
I suspect this covers most people. Remembering that most people don't even know
how (or why) to check the oil in their car...
I also know that my friends in LA live in about a 5 mile radius of their house.
Which is to say they rarely leave a 5 mile radius because traffic is so bad
that it'd tak
To me they would make sense for the person who:
- considers car payments to be a normal monthly budget item; finances new cars
or leases them
- has very predictible driving that falls within the vehicle range limits
- has a garage or nightly parking where a 240VAC charging point (or better) can
Some friends of mine in Houston sold both their gassers some years ago and
bought teslas because they liked the technology and the idea of them, they
mostly drove in town, occasional trips of maybe a couple hundred miles, so for
them an electric made a lot of sense. They really didn’t have much
They'll tell you, oh how they'll tell you...
-Curt
On Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 12:15:33 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
wrote:
With all those flaws how can a driver be regarded as "smug"?
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 11:54 AM Jim Cathey wrote:
> > I figure if something looks to[o]
What about diesel owners? Do we not deserve to feel smug?
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 1:03 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > OTOH there are a whole bunch of people who have electric cars ONLY
> because of the smug factor...
>
> South Park "Smug" episode. Hilarious.
>
>
> OTOH there are a whole bunch of people who have electric cars ONLY because of
> the smug factor...
South Park "Smug" episode. Hilarious.
Rick
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Ignorance is bliss (smug).
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 11:15 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> With all those flaws how can a driver be regarded as "smug"?
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 11:54 AM Jim Cathey
> wrote:
>
> > > I figure if something looks to[o] good to be
With all those flaws how can a driver be regarded as "smug"?
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 11:54 AM Jim Cathey wrote:
> > I figure if something looks to[o] good to be true there has to be a
> catch.
> > So far nobody that owns a Tesla will admit the catch to me.
>
>
> They're quite expensive. They're
> I figure if something looks to[o] good to be true there has to be a catch.
> So far nobody that owns a Tesla will admit the catch to me.
They're quite expensive. They're a video game with four wheels. You have
to do meticulous trip planning if you're doing more than routine commuting.
They ca
Where do you get that from Curt?? I'm on the waiting list for the Fisker
Ocean and am the very opposite of smug.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 11:40 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> The biggest problem that electric cars have is the smugness. Many people
> are super turne
The biggest problem that electric cars have is the smugness. Many people are
super turned off by it.
OTOH there are a whole bunch of people who have electric cars ONLY because of
the smug factor...
I figure if something looks to good to be true there has to be a catch. So far
nobody that owns a
I like the idea of ventilation or possibly even cooling a parked vehicle.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 11:33 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, I think an electric panel on top of a car is a good
> idea.
> It just shouldn't enable any smugness factor. But
Don't get me wrong, I think an electric panel on top of a car is a good idea.
It just shouldn't enable any smugness factor. But it can 'pay' for ventilation
while parked, can counter the car's parasitic loads, and perhaps avoid the
battery degradation that occurs when they're left too far discharg
There was an Apple II game back in the '80s where you raced an electric car.
You had to balance how fast you were trying to go vs how much sun there was. I
think it was based on (maybe in conjunction with) some GM electric race car
thing.
Oh yeah, just as I remembered it: https://www.youtube.co
> If you've got room up there for 500W of panels, you could go 5 mph or maybe
> even more in full sunlight.
I think _Kudzu_ can move faster (driven by only sunlight) than a paneled
electric car.
-- Jim
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I think you mean "eventually". I don't think you could fit more than maybe 1Kw
on the roof of even a big SUV. So you'd drive somewhere, wait 50 hours of sun
(maybe 10 days) and then drive some more...
-Curt
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022, 08:53:39 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
wrote:
This. Well said.
-D
> On Jan 26, 2022, at 12:12 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> IMO, electric cars are neither good nor bad. But they are what they are.
> They may not be what you think they are, or what you imagine them to be.
> They do not reduce CO2 emissions per mile unles
u are
> at work on a sunny day but they can't keep up while driving.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
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Electric cars are gay. Sorry to sound so ignorant
.
>
> -Original Message-
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>
> Tesla has finally come out o
t
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
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Tesla has finally come out or will soon with an EV with solar panels on the
roof so you can drive almost indefinitely, in theory.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:39 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote
On 2022-01-25 20:52, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
Tesla has finally come out or will soon with an EV with solar panels on
the
roof so you can drive almost indefinitely, in theory.
If you've got room up there for 500W of panels, you could go 5 mph or
maybe even more in full sunlight.
Tesla has finally come out or will soon with an EV with solar panels on the
roof so you can drive almost indefinitely, in theory.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:39 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, at 3:30 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > I t
So how do you like your EV?
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> On Jan 25, 2022, at 2:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>
> I'm with you, Dimitri, and I will go one step further. I am on the lookout
> for a car with square Wheels that predates the Stone Age. You really get
> tremendous Road feel in one o
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, at 3:30 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> I thought I saw something the other day that said new Pioi were PIHs but
> maybe I misread. I don't know what MB's plans are in that regard.
I thought MB announced plans for their passenger autos to be 100% BEV by 2025
or 203
That woman appears to be a fnidiot but not unexpectedly so, Kollyfawnya
is full of them.
I see a lot of Teslas around here, they are quite stylish rides for the
sedans (those SUV things are fugly) but I'm guessing for most people who
own them they are 1) transportation appliances and 2) appeal
I'm with you, Dimitri, and I will go one step further. I am on the lookout
for a car with square Wheels that predates the Stone Age. You really get
tremendous Road feel in one of those.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 12:54 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> The masses are
The masses are asses. They can go drive their fake green gay electric cars.
I’ll stick to IC!
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> On Jan 25, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
> Unfortunately the insipid car experience is what the masses mostly want.
> Most people aren't car people and see their veh
Unfortunately the insipid car experience is what the masses mostly want. Most
people aren't car people and see their vehicle as a way to get from point a to
point b. The car makers are just giving the masses what they want mostly.
-Curt
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022, 11:57:28 AM EST, Dimitri Se
I agree. The mechanical nature of a car is part of the joy of driving it. Fuel
burning, gears turning, the noise, the vibrations, it's all part of the
experience. EVs are just big golf carts.
Leno has a few steam cars. A steam engine produces torque from standstill like
an electric engine. I th
My computer guy agrees with you totally. He was given the opportunity to
drive a Tesla by a client who owns one. He said it had great
acceleration but was boring to drive. He is a "car guy" who has a hopped
up 68 Mustang fastback but his daily driver is an Escape Hybrid.
Randy
On 25/01/2022
I have not but some car enthusiast friends have they tell me that aside from
the fantastic acceleration, the experience is wholly insipid. One friend told
me that it’s tantamount to getting teleported from one location to another.
It’s for people who hate cars
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> On Jan
Not exactly true, these are lithium batteries, a lot of the rules from lead
acid don't apply. The biggest issue is temperature compensation while charging.
This time of year the battery might actually have to be heated before it can be
charged. IIRC LiPo batteries can't be charged below freezing
Quick charging decreases battery life but when you’re in a bind it shouldn’t
matter. Part of the problem is that the demographic that buys these cars lacks
in common sense and street smarts. They are delusional utopian morons.
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> On Jan 25, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Curt Raymond via
Electric cars are gay. Sorry to sound so ignorant and unsophisticated but I
truly don’t care.
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> On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:22 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> And Mercedes wants to go all electric.
> Good luck with that.
>
> https://calcoastnews.com/2022/01/slo-clima
Maybe she doesn't know the way to San Jose
--FT
On 1/25/22 10:03 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
I don't know why she was hung up on charging in San Jose but I can't believe
there aren't electric car chargers all over that area...
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On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 10:12 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> And I believe you have to pay extra to be able to use the “supercharger”
> feature, too, don’t you?
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 25, 2022, at 10:08 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@
And I believe you have to pay extra to be able to use the “supercharger”
feature, too, don’t you?
-D
> On Jan 25, 2022, at 10:08 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Charging rates vary, depending on what kind of feed you have,
> and what kind of charger(s) you purchased for your car. Ou
I was thinking 7 hours sounds like a 220v charger. IIRC a Tesla Super Charger
is like 660v.
-Curt
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022, 10:08:13 AM EST, Jim Cathey
wrote:
Charging rates vary, depending on what kind of feed you have,
and what kind of charger(s) you purchased for your car. Our f
Charging rates vary, depending on what kind of feed you have,
and what kind of charger(s) you purchased for your car. Our friends'
Tesla charges pretty slowly at their vacation property, but all they
have there is a regular wall outlet. It's faster at their house, with
the 220V charger, and even
Is it possible this story is a hoax?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 10:03 AM Curt Raymond wrote:
> She needs to plan better. It sounds like she completely forgot what she
> was driving and didn't plan accordingly.
>
> The 7 hour charge time also sounds like hogwash to me. IIRC a Tesla
> charges to 80%
She needs to plan better. It sounds like she completely forgot what she was
driving and didn't plan accordingly.
The 7 hour charge time also sounds like hogwash to me. IIRC a Tesla charges to
80% in something like 45 minutes at a supercharger. I don't know why she was
hung up on charging in San
Heidi needs a timeout.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:22 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> And Mercedes wants to go all electric.
> Good luck with that.
>
>
> https://calcoastnews.com/2022/01/slo-climate-change-activist-heidi-harmons-electric-car-calamity/
>
>
> Rick
>
And Mercedes wants to go all electric.
Good luck with that.
https://calcoastnews.com/2022/01/slo-climate-change-activist-heidi-harmons-electric-car-calamity/
Rick
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