Re: [MBZ] Corona Beer Virus, AKA Boo I scared you

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dan, you are reinforcing my point, that overuse of fertilizer by 
agriculture in FL does not happen.  The operations you cite are 
horticulture and forestry.   While horticulture will use fertilizer, 
again as in agriculture (primarily row crops) each grower has an 
economic incentive not to apply more than necessary.   I know there are 
cattle in FL, but unless FL is different than the rest of the country, 
pasture does not get fertilizer, beyond the bovine kind.   FL citrus, 
the last i heard was being bulldozed as fast as they can convert the 
land to some thing else due to disease with no economical cure.   Citrus 
also is horticulture, not agriculture. We never applied fertilizer to 
our orchards (not in FL), other than  a rare application of the bovine 
kind.  I only remember that happening once in 50 years.   Citrus in FL 
is on different soil, so they may apply fertilizer, but again, they've 
been struggling to stay afloat for decades, so why would they waste 
money overfertilizing?



I've never heard of pulp trees being fertilized,  except perhaps a small 
local dose at planting as a starter fertilizer.   Forestry in many 
states comes under DNR, not DA.


Is your son using GPS and precision application controlled by gps to 
vary the amount of fertilizer per square yard based on need?


So tell us Dan, Where in FL is fertilizer being over applied if not by 
homeowners, theme parks, condos, horse farms, and golf courses who don't 
use precision application.    I think you are arguing that nowhere in FL 
is fertilizer over applied.








dan--- via Mercedes 
March 9, 2020 at 7:35 AM
Then you haven’t seen a lot of Florida.

Northern Florida is one of the largest producers of pulp for paper. 
While this isn’t a consumable in the way a vegetable or fruit is, it’s 
agriculture.


The area around Tampa, specifically Plant City, is the largest 
domestic growing area for strawberries. Buy a quart of berries in your 
grocery store about now and they’re probably from Florida. The 
production of blueberries in this area is reaching significant 
proportions as well.


Immediately south and east of Tampa is a huge area of tomatoes and 
cucumbers, so much so there are processing plants that sit idle most 
of the year to handle the harvest. Farther south in the Bradenton and 
Sarasota area is one of the largest citrus operations, as well as to 
the east in Lakeland.


The rest of the state is mostly left to cattle ranching, horse farms 
and citrus.


Florida has very strict laws regarding the use and sale of 
fertilizers, including sales to consumers. They’re only available for 
use during certain times of the year and are highly regulated. You 
won’t find commercial applicators breaking these laws, as they’re 
quite strict and involve serious fines and even jail time under 
certain circumstances. Consumers can be cited and fined as well, and 
the state is quite aggressive about it. You own a single family 
dwelling but buy five 40 pound bags of fertilizer? Expect a visit or 
letter from the state. They don’t screw around.


My son has four different state issued certifications and licenses he 
has to maintain to be able to purchase, handle and apply fertilizers 
and herbicides in the state. He gets spot checked by a state inspector 
randomly, and if it's determined that he misapplied something not only 
does he get busted, but his employer as well (one of which is a golf 
course.)


-D



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Re: [MBZ] Corona Beer Virus, AKA Boo I scared you

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I agree. The Millennial Farmer did a video where they tested the water coming 
from drain tiles draining his fields and there was essentially no excess 
nitrogen. Nitrogen costs money, over application wastes money, farmers aren't 
rolling in money...
When it comes to waste and excess golf courses are #1. Once again George Carlin 
was right.

-Curt

On Monday, March 9, 2020, 8:05:36 AM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I call a Doomburg on that!   Except for a few veg grown around 
Homestead, (and that is horticulture)  I have not seen much 
"Agriculture" in FL.   I'g guess way more "Fertilizer" is overfertilized 
on FL lawns by condo assn.s, homeowners,  theme parks, and golf courses 
than any "overfertilization" by "agriculture."    Is Jose the condo lawn 
guy using precision ag to apply fertilizer to the lawn?    Is jose the 
lawn guy using precision ag to apply fertilizer to the lawn?   Is Joe 
homeowner using precision ag to apply fertilizer on his lawn?    Is jose 
the groundskeeper at the golf course or theme park using precision ag to 
apply fertilizer?    In each case, I think NOT!

Tell me why the hell would one of the few remaining farmers put apply a 
higher rate of his most expensive input than what is needed?

The golf courses and theme parks, hotels, and joe homeowner all want to 
have the greenest lawn possible to attract touristas or to beat their 
neighbor.   The cost of fertilizer is a minor cost to them.
  What is the percentage of NON-ag landowners in FL compared to the 
percentage of ag landowners?   Nationwide farmers are a fraction over 
1%. (and that is counting hobby farmers)  In FL,  if I had to guess, ag 
landowners would be less than 1%.

Now tell me again.   WHO is overfertilizing in FL?

> Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
> March 9, 2020 at 6:16 AM
> Agriculture is a large part of the issue, especially in terms of 
> phosphate contamination from over fertilization.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Beer Virus, AKA Boo I scared you

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Then you haven’t seen a lot of Florida.

Northern Florida is one of the largest producers of pulp for paper. While this 
isn’t a consumable in the way a vegetable or fruit is, it’s agriculture.

The area around Tampa, specifically Plant City, is the largest domestic growing 
area for strawberries. Buy a quart of berries in your grocery store about now 
and they’re probably from Florida. The production of blueberries in this area 
is reaching significant proportions as well.

Immediately south and east of Tampa is a huge area of tomatoes and cucumbers, 
so much so there are processing plants that sit idle most of the year to handle 
the harvest. Farther south in the Bradenton and Sarasota area is one of the 
largest citrus operations, as well as to the east in Lakeland.

The rest of the state is mostly left to cattle ranching, horse farms and citrus.

Florida has very strict laws regarding the use and sale of fertilizers, 
including sales to consumers. They’re only available for use during certain 
times of the year and are highly regulated. You won’t find commercial 
applicators breaking these laws, as they’re quite strict and involve serious 
fines and even jail time under certain circumstances. Consumers can be cited 
and fined as well, and the state is quite aggressive about it. You own a single 
family dwelling but buy five 40 pound bags of fertilizer? Expect a visit or 
letter from the state. They don’t screw around.

My son has four different state issued certifications and licenses he has to 
maintain to be able to purchase, handle and apply fertilizers and herbicides in 
the state. He gets spot checked by a state inspector randomly, and if it's 
determined that he misapplied something not only does he get busted, but his 
employer as well (one of which is a golf course.)

-D

> On Mar 9, 2020, at 8:04 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I call a Doomburg on that!   Except for a few veg grown around Homestead, 
> (and that is horticulture)  I have not seen much "Agriculture" in FL.   I'g 
> guess way more "Fertilizer" is overfertilized on FL lawns by condo assn.s, 
> homeowners,  theme parks, and golf courses than any "overfertilization" by 
> "agriculture."Is Jose the condo lawn guy using precision ag to apply 
> fertilizer to the lawn?Is jose the lawn guy using precision ag to apply 
> fertilizer to the lawn?   Is Joe homeowner using precision ag to apply 
> fertilizer on his lawn?Is jose the groundskeeper at the golf course or 
> theme park using precision ag to apply fertilizer?In each case, I think 
> NOT!
> 
> Tell me why the hell would one of the few remaining farmers put apply a 
> higher rate of his most expensive input than what is needed?
> 
> The golf courses and theme parks, hotels, and joe homeowner all want to have 
> the greenest lawn possible to attract touristas or to beat their neighbor.   
> The cost of fertilizer is a minor cost to them.
>  What is the percentage of NON-ag landowners in FL compared to the percentage 
> of ag landowners?   Nationwide farmers are a fraction over 1%. (and that is 
> counting hobby farmers)  In FL,  if I had to guess, ag landowners would be 
> less than 1%.
> 
> Now tell me again.   WHO is overfertilizing in FL?
> 
>> Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>> March 9, 2020 at 6:16 AM
>> Agriculture is a large part of the issue, especially in terms of phosphate 
>> contamination from over fertilization.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Beer Virus, AKA Boo I scared you

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I call a Doomburg on that!   Except for a few veg grown around 
Homestead, (and that is horticulture)  I have not seen much 
"Agriculture" in FL.   I'g guess way more "Fertilizer" is overfertilized 
on FL lawns by condo assn.s, homeowners,  theme parks, and golf courses 
than any "overfertilization" by "agriculture."    Is Jose the condo lawn 
guy using precision ag to apply fertilizer to the lawn?    Is jose the 
lawn guy using precision ag to apply fertilizer to the lawn?   Is Joe 
homeowner using precision ag to apply fertilizer on his lawn?    Is jose 
the groundskeeper at the golf course or theme park using precision ag to 
apply fertilizer?    In each case, I think NOT!


Tell me why the hell would one of the few remaining farmers put apply a 
higher rate of his most expensive input than what is needed?


The golf courses and theme parks, hotels, and joe homeowner all want to 
have the greenest lawn possible to attract touristas or to beat their 
neighbor.   The cost of fertilizer is a minor cost to them.
 What is the percentage of NON-ag landowners in FL compared to the 
percentage of ag landowners?   Nationwide farmers are a fraction over 
1%. (and that is counting hobby farmers)  In FL,  if I had to guess, ag 
landowners would be less than 1%.


Now tell me again.   WHO is overfertilizing in FL?


Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
March 9, 2020 at 6:16 AM
Agriculture is a large part of the issue, especially in terms of 
phosphate contamination from over fertilization.



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Re: [MBZ] Corona Beer Virus, AKA Boo I scared you

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Agriculture is a large part of the issue, especially in terms of phosphate 
contamination from over fertilization.

However, a good deal of the water get used by things like DisneyWorld.

And it's all a moot point when the sea level comes up, salt water will displace 
the fresh water heading south.
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Beer Virus, AKA Boo I scared you

[Clay via Mercedes]

Blame the sugar plantations.  They are stealing all the water that should be 
flowing to Key West.

clay

> On Mar 7, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Won't take much to submerge south florida, most of the area south of 
> Okeichobee (sp) is only fresh water because the flow rate from the lake is so 
> high.  Cut the water flow off, and the Everglades go salt.
> 
> I was in Ft. Lauderdale over Thanksgiving, and people are losing 50 year old 
> trees to salt water incursion in the ground water -- only 4-5 ft above high 
> tide.  The highest part of the area is the sand dune behind the beach, and 
> that's about 12 ft at most, usually 6 or so ft.  Four foot rise in average 
> sea level and most of Ft. Lauderdale will be standing water.
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Beer Virus, AKA Boo I scared you

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Won't take much to submerge south florida, most of the area south of Okeichobee 
(sp) is only fresh water because the flow rate from the lake is so high.  Cut 
the water flow off, and the Everglades go salt.

I was in Ft. Lauderdale over Thanksgiving, and people are losing 50 year old 
trees to salt water incursion in the ground water -- only 4-5 ft above high 
tide.  The highest part of the area is the sand dune behind the beach, and 
that's about 12 ft at most, usually 6 or so ft.  Four foot rise in average sea 
level and most of Ft. Lauderdale will be standing water.
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Beer Virus, AKA Boo I scared you

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

 
> > ROGER HALE wrote:
> > According to the CDC for 2018, the USA had 14.9 flu deaths per 100,000 
> > population. The 2017-2018 flu season was severe for all populations 
> > and resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 
> > deaths. I seriously doubt that the Corona Beer virus will come close 
> > to these numbers. BUT, it will result in a higher national debt, more 
> > people making money from speaking about it, and other means of scaring 
> > the pubic. And if FL drops off and goes South, it will most likely be 
> > because the plates moved and FL is going home to Africa.
> > Stop worrying...be safe, stay alive, and get on with your lives.
> > Best Wishes,
> > Roger
...
Gerry wrote:
Nothing like that is going to happen to Florida, Roger. Our politicians are 
already working on a plan to save South Florida since tidal waters are already 
coming up into the swimming pools of Miami. It's the same problem Manhattan 
Island (NYC) had in 1824, and we will solve it the same way it was solved back 
then:

In 1824, the population on Manhattan Island was approximately 150,000 people. 
Centre Market, an area at the junction of Baxter, Grand, and Centre Street, was 
where the townspeople congregated daily, to buy and sell goods, and to shoot 
the breeze about anything, and everything, that had an impact on their lives. 
The most vocal person who came to Centre Market daily, was a charismatic man 
named Lozier. Lozier had traveled the world, and was considered to possess the 
highest intellectual capacity. When Lozier spoke, people listened. Lozier, a 
carpenter by trade, was pals with a man with the dubious name of Uncle John 
Devoe. That's right, Uncle John.

In early 1824, for some unexplained reason, Lozier remained absent from his 
bench in Centre Market for several days. When he returned, the usually 
loquacious Lozier was suddenly, and inexplicably, mute. He spoke to no one 
except Uncle John Devoe. The rest of the people, who congregated daily at 
Centre Market, were curious as to why Lozier's temperament had changed so 
dramatically.

Finally, Lozier broke down, and told the assemblage that for the past few weeks 
he had been huddled with the mayor of New York City, Stephen Allen. The reason 
for those serious discussions was that Manhattan Island, as a result of the 
many large downtown buildings, was so heavy at the Battery end, the south-most 
point of the island was in danger of breaking off, and falling into the water.

Some doubted Lozier's conclusions. So he led them to the middle of Centre 
Street, and asked them to look for themselves. It was obvious that the street 
was tilted extremely downhill, as Lozier pointed out to them, "from all the 
weight of the south-most buildings."

The crowd was aghast. "What can we do?" they implored Lozier.

Lozier said not to worry. He and the Mayor had come to the conclusion that the 
only way they could save the southern end of Manhattan Island, was to cut off 
the island at its North end, in the Kingsbridge region, and turn the island 
around. Then the would anchor the sagging end to the north mainland...snip

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Re: [MBZ] Corona Beer Virus, AKA Boo I scared you

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Sage advise.  As the man Shaking a spear said, "much ado about 
nothing"   I'd add, "again!"



ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
March 7, 2020 at 8:56 AM
According to the CDC for 2018, the USA had 14.9 flu deaths per 100,000 
population. The 2017-2018 flu season was severe for all populations 
and resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 
deaths. I seriously doubt that the Corona Beer virus will come close 
to these numbers. BUT, it will result in a higher national debt, more 
people making money from speaking about it, and other means of scaring 
the pubic. And if FL drops off and goes South, it will most likely be 
because the plates moved and FL is going home to Africa.

Stop worrying...be safe, stay alive, and get on with your lives.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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[MBZ] Corona Beer Virus, AKA Boo I scared you

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

According to the CDC for 2018, the USA had 14.9 flu deaths per 100,000 
population.  The 2017-2018 flu season was severe for all populations and 
resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 deaths.  I 
seriously doubt that the Corona Beer virus will come close to these numbers.  
BUT, it will result in a higher national debt, more people making money from 
speaking about it, and other means of scaring the pubic.  And if FL drops off 
and goes South, it will most likely be because the plates moved and FL is going 
home to Africa.
Stop worrying...be safe, stay alive, and get on with your lives.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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