Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

[R A Bennell]

Me too. 76 300D. Sometimes turns off with the key, especially if it is warm out 
and the car has run for a bit and
got warm too. Otherwise, I have to open the hood and push the stop doodad. I 
have started to wonder if I might be
causing undue wear and tear on the hood release. Should just find the leak and 
fix it.

Randy

-Original Message-
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of tom tomscat
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:07 PM
To: mercedes diesel
Subject: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on



Hi Philip,



The process:



First of all, a point of clarificatrion:  this isn't really an emergency shut 
down.  In my case, on my 1975 300D
with a blown injection pump shut off valve, it is an ordinary shut down.   I do 
it every time I drive the car
until I get around to replacing that shut off valve with the one have as a 
spare.

Many owners of older MB diesels are familiar with this process.  It is fairly 
technically complicated, and not
recommended for the faint of heart.



Here's how it's done:

1) Turn ignition key to off position.

2)  If your shut off valve is working properly, the engine should quit within a 
few seconds, since the fuel has
been cut off.  If the shut off valve is NOT working properly, turning off the 
key will have very little noticeable
effect on the engine:  it will continue to run for as long as the mechanical 
injection pump keeps fuel flowing.  If
you have a full fuel tank, you could leave it in the airport long term parking, 
come back a week later, and find it
still going.  Ask me how I know.  :)

3)  Pop your hood open.

4) Exit the car as you normally would.

5) Proceed to the front of the car and lift the hood.

6) This is the technically complicated part:  it requires that you be able to 
(a) read or at least recognize the
words "STOP ENGINE"; or (b) be able to recognize the color red.

7) Proceed with a hard target search under the hood for a small red button 
(about an inch square) on the driver's
side of the engine over the injection pump with the words "STOP ENGINE" 
emblazoned on it.

8)  Apply pressure to this button with your thumb--- or perhaps another digit 
that you are comfortable with-- in a
downward motion.

9) This button cuts the fuel supply from the injection pump, and should kill 
the engine.



Congratulation!  You are done!

BTW, I was kidding about the week in the airport parking lot.  I can only 
personally vouch for the fact that it
will continue running for over an hour and 15 minutes... which is when my 
bookkeeper arrived and asked me why my
car was still running outside.  :)



As far as the dangers involved  from my perspective, they are twofold:  1) 
the embarrassment of finding a
plausible answer when your bookkeeper asks the question above;  or far worse is 
2) the danger of arriving at your
local ChowdahQ a little late, and being warmly greeted by the group, including 
your camera-happy host, who
surreptitiously photographs you in the act, and then posts the pic on a 
world-wide Mercedes Benz forum.



Oh, the Horror!



:)



Thanks, Curt.  :)



Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of feral BMWs (5, as of 4pm today)







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> tom tomscat wrote:

> And I was also pleased to have the opportunity to demonstrate
> the proper method for shutting down an old Mercedes
> diesel. after one has blown one's injection pump shut-off
> valve. It's a vanishing art, but I am doing my part to keep
> it from becoming a lost one.

Don't hold out on us. Not all of us are able to travel to a
ChowdahQ.

What's the proccess?

How's it done?

What are the dangers?

Enquiring minds want to know.

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

[WILTON]

Of course, I fixed the problem, but for a coupla days, I shut it off 
manually.


Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:39 PM
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Or you could go all out, and just fix the problem. ;-)

Ed
300E

2009/9/17 Mitch Haley 


WILTON wrote:


I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago
when it had a vac leak.  I had long before already read "STOP ENGINE"
emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready.



Instead of running a hose to the vac shutoff, you could run a wire to the
shutoff lever. I never did figure out why my 300SD's shutoff lever takes 
as
much effort as Clay's starter switch, while my 190D and 300D shut off 
with

light finger pressure.

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

[E M]

Or you could go all out, and just fix the problem. ;-)

Ed
300E

2009/9/17 Mitch Haley 

> WILTON wrote:
>
>> I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago
>> when it had a vac leak.  I had long before already read "STOP ENGINE"
>> emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready.
>>
>
> Instead of running a hose to the vac shutoff, you could run a wire to the
> shutoff lever. I never did figure out why my 300SD's shutoff lever takes as
> much effort as Clay's starter switch, while my 190D and 300D shut off with
> light finger pressure.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

[Loren Faeth]

On my old 200D (cable shutdown), I unhooked the start,shutoff cable 
and ran a aux cable into the cabin.  Mounted it under the dash and 
made a pull ring out of a piece of 1.5" square tubing  Used that for 
shutdown.  Then I could push in the start switch, lock the ign and 
steering, lock the car and leave the car idle to run in and out, or 
if it was really cold out.  Starting was normal, but I separated the 
shutdown function from the multi-purpose push-pull/ignition 
switch.  It worked really well.



At 09:50 AM 9/17/2009, you wrote:

Yes-my brother ran a cable out under the fender well with a loop to pull
shutoff on his 240D. (Now mine with new vacuum pull off switch)

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI


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On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

WILTON wrote:
> I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago
> when it had a vac leak.  I had long before already read "STOP ENGINE"
> emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready.

Instead of running a hose to the vac shutoff, you could run a wire to the
shutoff lever. I never did figure out why my 300SD's shutoff lever takes as
much
effort as Clay's starter switch, while my 190D and 300D shut off with light
finger pressure.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

[Loren Faeth]

Hard to do with this auto trans crap MBNA keeps cramming down our throats.

At 09:46 AM 9/17/2009, you wrote:

Even more technical is keep the car in gear and slowly release the 
clutch until the car stalls.


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Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

[Curt Raymond]

Yet another thing to like about manual trans...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:13:44 -0400
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I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago 
when it had a vac leak.  I had long before already read "STOP ENGINE" 
emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready.

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

[Curt Raymond]

I'm here for you!

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:07:09 -0400
From: tom tomscat 
Subject: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on
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As far as the
dangers involved  from my perspective, they are twofold:  1) the
embarrassment of finding a plausible answer when your bookkeeper asks
the question above;  or far worse is 2) the danger of arriving at your
local ChowdahQ a little late, and being warmly greeted by the group,
including your camera-happy host, who surreptitiously photographs you
in the act, and then posts the pic on a world-wide Mercedes Benz
forum.  

 

Oh, the Horror!

 

:)

 

Thanks, Curt.  :)  

 

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Yes-my brother ran a cable out under the fender well with a loop to pull
shutoff on his 240D. (Now mine with new vacuum pull off switch)

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI


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On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

WILTON wrote:
> I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago 
> when it had a vac leak.  I had long before already read "STOP ENGINE" 
> emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready.

Instead of running a hose to the vac shutoff, you could run a wire to the 
shutoff lever. I never did figure out why my 300SD's shutoff lever takes as
much 
effort as Clay's starter switch, while my 190D and 300D shut off with light 
finger pressure.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Even more technical is keep the car in gear and slowly release the clutch until 
the car stalls.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

WILTON wrote:
I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago when 
it had a vac leak.  I had long before already read "STOP ENGINE" emblazoned in 
red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready.

Instead of running a hose to the vac shutoff, you could run a wire to the 
shutoff lever. I never did figure out why my 300SD's shutoff lever takes as 
much effort as Clay's starter switch, while my 190D and 300D shut off with 
light finger pressure.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:
I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago 
when it had a vac leak.  I had long before already read "STOP ENGINE" 
emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready.


Instead of running a hose to the vac shutoff, you could run a wire to the 
shutoff lever. I never did figure out why my 300SD's shutoff lever takes as much 
effort as Clay's starter switch, while my 190D and 300D shut off with light 
finger pressure.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

[WILTON]

I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago 
when it had a vac leak.  I had long before already read "STOP ENGINE" 
emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "tom tomscat" 

To: "mercedes diesel" 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:07 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on




Hi Philip,



The process:



First of all, a point of clarificatrion:  this isn't really an emergency 
shut down.  In my case, on my 1975 300D with a blown injection pump shut 
off valve, it is an ordinary shut down.   I do it every time I drive the 
car until I get around to replacing that shut off valve with the one 
have as a spare.


Many owners of older MB diesels are familiar with this process.  It is 
fairly technically complicated, and not recommended for the faint of 
heart.




Here's how it's done:

1) Turn ignition key to off position.

2)  If your shut off valve is working properly, the engine should quit 
within a few seconds, since the fuel has been cut off.  If the shut off 
valve is NOT working properly, turning off the key will have very little 
noticeable effect on the engine:  it will continue to run for as long as 
the mechanical injection pump keeps fuel flowing.  If you have a full fuel 
tank, you could leave it in the airport long term parking, come back a 
week later, and find it still going.  Ask me how I know.  :)


3)  Pop your hood open.

4) Exit the car as you normally would.

5) Proceed to the front of the car and lift the hood.

6) This is the technically complicated part:  it requires that you be able 
to (a) read or at least recognize the words "STOP ENGINE"; or (b) be able 
to recognize the color red.


7) Proceed with a hard target search under the hood for a small red button 
(about an inch square) on the driver's side of the engine over the 
injection pump with the words "STOP ENGINE" emblazoned on it.


8)  Apply pressure to this button with your thumb--- or perhaps another 
digit that you are comfortable with-- in a downward motion.


9) This button cuts the fuel supply from the injection pump, and should 
kill the engine.




Congratulation!  You are done!

BTW, I was kidding about the week in the airport parking lot.  I can only 
personally vouch for the fact that it will continue running for over an 
hour and 15 minutes... which is when my bookkeeper arrived and asked me 
why my car was still running outside.  :)




As far as the dangers involved  from my perspective, they are twofold: 
1) the embarrassment of finding a plausible answer when your bookkeeper 
asks the question above;  or far worse is 2) the danger of arriving at 
your local ChowdahQ a little late, and being warmly greeted by the group, 
including your camera-happy host, who surreptitiously photographs you in 
the act, and then posts the pic on a world-wide Mercedes Benz forum.




Oh, the Horror!



:)



Thanks, Curt.  :)



Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of feral BMWs (5, as of 4pm today)







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tom tomscat wrote:



And I was also pleased to have the opportunity to demonstrate
the proper method for shutting down an old Mercedes
diesel. after one has blown one's injection pump shut-off
valve. It's a vanishing art, but I am doing my part to keep
it from becoming a lost one.


Don't hold out on us. Not all of us are able to travel to a
ChowdahQ.

What's the proccess?

How's it done?

What are the dangers?

Enquiring minds want to know.

-- Philip


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Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Excellent, Tom.

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of tom tomscat
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:07 AM
To: mercedes diesel
Subject: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on


Hi Philip,

 

The process:

 

First of all, a point of clarificatrion:  this isn't really an emergency
shut down.  In my case, on my 1975 300D with a blown injection pump shut off
valve, it is an ordinary shut down.   I do it every time I drive the car
until I get around to replacing that shut off valve with the one have as a
spare.

Many owners of older MB diesels are familiar with this process.  It is
fairly technically complicated, and not recommended for the faint of heart.


 

Here's how it's done:

1) Turn ignition key to off position.

2)  If your shut off valve is working properly, the engine should quit
within a few seconds, since the fuel has been cut off.  If the shut off
valve is NOT working properly, turning off the key will have very little
noticeable effect on the engine:  it will continue to run for as long as the
mechanical injection pump keeps fuel flowing.  If you have a full fuel tank,
you could leave it in the airport long term parking, come back a week later,
and find it still going.  Ask me how I know.  :)

3)  Pop your hood open.  

4) Exit the car as you normally would.  

5) Proceed to the front of the car and lift the hood.

6) This is the technically complicated part:  it requires that you be able
to (a) read or at least recognize the words "STOP ENGINE"; or (b) be able to
recognize the color red.  

7) Proceed with a hard target search under the hood for a small red button
(about an inch square) on the driver's side of the engine over the injection
pump with the words "STOP ENGINE" emblazoned on it.

8)  Apply pressure to this button with your thumb--- or perhaps another
digit that you are comfortable with-- in a downward motion.  

9) This button cuts the fuel supply from the injection pump, and should kill
the engine.

 

Congratulation!  You are done!

BTW, I was kidding about the week in the airport parking lot.  I can only
personally vouch for the fact that it will continue running for over an hour
and 15 minutes... which is when my bookkeeper arrived and asked me why my
car was still running outside.  :)

 

As far as the dangers involved  from my perspective, they are twofold:
1) the embarrassment of finding a plausible answer when your bookkeeper asks
the question above;  or far worse is 2) the danger of arriving at your local
ChowdahQ a little late, and being warmly greeted by the group, including
your camera-happy host, who surreptitiously photographs you in the act, and
then posts the pic on a world-wide Mercedes Benz forum.  

 

Oh, the Horror!

 

:)

 

Thanks, Curt.  :)  

 

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of feral BMWs (5, as of 4pm today)

 

 

 

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> tom tomscat wrote:
 
> And I was also pleased to have the opportunity to demonstrate
> the proper method for shutting down an old Mercedes
> diesel. after one has blown one's injection pump shut-off
> valve. It's a vanishing art, but I am doing my part to keep
> it from becoming a lost one. 
 
Don't hold out on us. Not all of us are able to travel to a
ChowdahQ.
 
What's the proccess?
 
How's it done?
 
What are the dangers?
 
Enquiring minds want to know.
 
-- Philip


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[MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on

[tom tomscat]

Hi Philip,

 

The process:

 

First of all, a point of clarificatrion:  this isn't really an emergency shut 
down.  In my case, on my 1975 300D with a blown injection pump shut off valve, 
it is an ordinary shut down.   I do it every time I drive the car until I 
get around to replacing that shut off valve with the one have as a spare.

Many owners of older MB diesels are familiar with this process.  It is fairly 
technically complicated, and not recommended for the faint of heart.  

 

Here's how it's done:

1) Turn ignition key to off position.

2)  If your shut off valve is working properly, the engine should quit within a 
few seconds, since the fuel has been cut off.  If the shut off valve is NOT 
working properly, turning off the key will have very little noticeable effect 
on the engine:  it will continue to run for as long as the mechanical injection 
pump keeps fuel flowing.  If you have a full fuel tank, you could leave it in 
the airport long term parking, come back a week later, and find it still going. 
 Ask me how I know.  :)

3)  Pop your hood open.  

4) Exit the car as you normally would.  

5) Proceed to the front of the car and lift the hood.

6) This is the technically complicated part:  it requires that you be able to 
(a) read or at least recognize the words "STOP ENGINE"; or (b) be able to 
recognize the color red.  

7) Proceed with a hard target search under the hood for a small red button 
(about an inch square) on the driver's side of the engine over the injection 
pump with the words "STOP ENGINE" emblazoned on it.

8)  Apply pressure to this button with your thumb--- or perhaps another digit 
that you are comfortable with-- in a downward motion.  

9) This button cuts the fuel supply from the injection pump, and should kill 
the engine.

 

Congratulation!  You are done!

BTW, I was kidding about the week in the airport parking lot.  I can only 
personally vouch for the fact that it will continue running for over an hour 
and 15 minutes... which is when my bookkeeper arrived and asked me why my car 
was still running outside.  :)

 

As far as the dangers involved  from my perspective, they are twofold:  1) 
the embarrassment of finding a plausible answer when your bookkeeper asks the 
question above;  or far worse is 2) the danger of arriving at your local 
ChowdahQ a little late, and being warmly greeted by the group, including your 
camera-happy host, who surreptitiously photographs you in the act, and then 
posts the pic on a world-wide Mercedes Benz forum.  

 

Oh, the Horror!

 

:)

 

Thanks, Curt.  :)  

 

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of feral BMWs (5, as of 4pm today)

 

 

 

Message: 6
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:20:03 -0500
From: Fmiser 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on
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> tom tomscat wrote:
 
> And I was also pleased to have the opportunity to demonstrate
> the proper method for shutting down an old Mercedes
> diesel. after one has blown one's injection pump shut-off
> valve. It's a vanishing art, but I am doing my part to keep
> it from becoming a lost one. 
 
Don't hold out on us. Not all of us are able to travel to a
ChowdahQ.
 
What's the proccess?
 
How's it done?
 
What are the dangers?
 
Enquiring minds want to know.
 
-- Philip


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Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on ebay

[Fmiser]

> tom tomscat wrote:

> And I was also pleased to have the opportunity to demonstrate
> the proper method for shutting down an old Mercedes
> diesel.  after one has blown one's injection pump shut-off
> valve.  It's a vanishing art, but I am doing my part to keep
> it from becoming a lost one.  

Don't hold out on us. Not all of us are able to travel to a
ChowdahQ.

What's the proccess?

How's it done?

What are the dangers?

Enquiring minds want to know.

--   Philip

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