Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch removal

2016-11-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Now I recall what I did: HF has a fan clutch or timing belt “kit” that has a piece that is long and flat, maybe 1-1/2” wide, 1/8” thick and 24” long with a plastidip handle on one end and a 3/8” square socket driver on the other. With that I was able to use my regular 3/8” drive hex bit and

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch removal

2016-11-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Sometimes it's good to have a tight quarters ratcheting driver. I bought this wrench for my S420 oil pan job last month: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-Microdriver-Set-16-Piece-HRWMD16PCSAE/202934673 Would have greatly preferred this, but it wasn't available in store the day I needed it:

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch removal

2016-11-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I think I just bought a set at HF. If it’s for the center bolt on the fan clutch, I just used a regular hex wrench with a long extension over the end to get leverage. With the fan clutch pulley locked in place with the locking tool it comes right off. Dan > On Nov 12, 2016, at 6:24 PM,

[MBZ] Fan clutch removal

2016-11-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I need to replace the water pump on a 606 and can't seem to locate my stubby hex socket set. I was going to get another set at the flaps but remember Dan or somebody had ordered one somewhere. What did you order? Sent from my iPhone ___

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch, almost final

2015-11-26 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
The fan clutch performed well enough for the 1300 mile trip. I have not tested it yet when warm by trying to stop the fan, but there was no overheating. Much Improvement. I maybe should have used the recommended 36cc, but the 18cc made it functional. Temps up into the low 70s. It may

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch, almost final

2015-11-24 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Well, any results yet? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On November 21, 2015 7:17:47 PM EST, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: >Finally got the oil in the fan clutch. > > >Final report after I get to drive it around and make sure it keeps its >cool! > > >>

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch, almost final

2015-11-21 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Finally got the oil in the fan clutch. I followed this instruction after wasting time and torch with the method of trying to get it in where the pin goes behind the bimetal thermostat. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w163-m-class/1583106-ml-320-fan-clutch-repair.html I drilled a 3/16 hole.

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2015-11-18 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
The oil I bought was about $40 for a gallon, shipped. I sold off pints to this (?) list, until I only had my pint left. Mine turned out to be free! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2015-11-18 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Dan, Thanks for the RC Truck tip. here is a 2 oz bottle on fleabay for under $7 shipped. It would be $90 at the toada stealership to get this much. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Associated-5455-Silicone-Differential-Diff-Fluid-1-cst-10-000-/391307317659?hash=item5b1bbbd19b:g:3YYAAOSwl9BWM0oQ

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2015-11-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have a bottle in the shop, I’ll look at the details. I think it’s 10,000W oil, believe it or not. A little bottle at a local hobby shop that sells stuff for RC cars and trucks had it fr like $6.00. Dan > On Nov 17, 2015, at 12:33 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes >

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2015-11-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
I once bought a gallon of 12,500 centistoke silicone oil, and parceled out pints for clutch experimentation. I kept one for myself. Used some, once. Toyota has 3000, 4000, and 1 cst, supposedly. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2015-11-17 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
It is 10,000 centistoke. 80 weight oil is around 25 cst, but it is a non-linear relationship. I'd guess it is around 200 weight by api grade. I have a bottle in the shop, I'll look at the details. I think it's 10,000W oil, believe it or not. A little bottle at a local hobby shop that

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2015-11-17 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
No oil, no fan, not cool! Toada stealer didn't have the oil. They ordered a bottle. $22.50 for what Dan said was $6! (the porch writeup says it takes 2 bottles!) I sure hope it is a bigger bottle! Hobby shop did not have any. They had 1/2 oz bottles of what is probably M1 for $9 I

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2015-11-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The Toada stuff is pricey, which is why I got mine at a local hobby shop that specializes in RC trucks. Apparently, they use the stuff in their gear trains on the trucks. I still have the bottle in the package, as I never got the fan clutch off the car. I paid $6.99 for it about a year and a

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2015-11-17 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Yeah PRICEY for sure! $22.50 for a 1/2 oz. bottle. That is $5760 a galllon!The stealer could not tell me how much was in the bottle. I was thinking 8 oz for the price, but I found it online tonight! 18 ml or about 1/2 oz. But if it makes the fan run, it is a lot less than a new clutch,

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2015-11-17 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Uh Oh! I just found out the toada stuff is 3000 cst, not 10,000cst, but if you put enough in, it will work. Here's what I found: "The 3,000 Cst. was for all Toyotas except for the Celica, which got 6,000 Cst. The 10,000 Cst. was not assigned an application by the Toada TSB. Parts monkey

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2015-11-17 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Curly wrote: > > Uh Oh! I just found out the toada stuff is 3000 cst, not > 10,000cst, but if you put enough in, it will work. A quick search found these links. I have no idea if this is what you need, or if it is the quantity you need. 60ml for $4.12

[MBZ] Fan clutch

2015-11-16 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Some time ago there was a discussion of oil spec. and viscosity for the fan clutch. I suspect the fan on my 126 need an oil change and fill. Does anyone have the spec and amount for the oil? Answered my own Q! Ah! here is the article http://members.rennlist.com/blueshark/page13.html

[MBZ] Fan Clutch - Lesson Learned

2014-07-31 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
Well, I tried something today hoping it would work but unfortunately it didn't quite work out. I removed a fan assy from a early 80s 300SD with the plan of installing it on our 91 300D. I cleaned it measured it -- all measurements matched - the dia of the center clutch was the same on both

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch - Lesson Learned

2014-07-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I don't see how it would work at all since the later 60x cars have a single center bolt that holds it to the pump and the 617 has 4 bolts around the hub that hold it to the pump. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2014, at 3:38 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch - Lesson Learned

2014-07-31 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes Larry, a lesson I have learned many times- nothing as expensive as a cheap fix. On Jul 31, 2014 4:38 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I tried something today hoping it would work but unfortunately it didn't quite work out. I removed a fan assy from a early 80s

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-14 Thread MG
Ah ha. So the place I was looking only had the electric fans. That's why I couldn't find one. Now that I think on it I seem to remember seeing an electric clutch on a car in the UP. I'll have to go back there and take a closer look at it. Manfred Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 19:02:36 -0700 (PDT)

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-14 Thread Fmiser
Chris wrote: I wondered why they didn't put electric clutches on the larger engined cars. They are pretty neat perhaps offer better control of engine temps with a defined on-off signal from the temp switch. Maybe because an electric fan is more effective and should be easier to engineer

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-14 Thread Fmiser
Chris wrote: I wondered why they didn't put electric clutches on the larger engined cars. They are pretty neat perhaps offer better control of engine temps with a defined on-off signal from the temp switch. Maybe because an electric fan is more effective and should be easier to engineer

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-14 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 3:14 PM -0500 7/13/13, Peter Frederick wrote: The fan is also kicked on in high speed by the temperature switch in the thermostat housing. Pull that wire off the switch and ground with the ignition on, fan must run on full speed. If not, it's the fan, the fuse, or the relay. Well, the

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-14 Thread OK Don
I don't think so, but you'll have to look that one up. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:25 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.comwrote: At 3:14 PM -0500 7/13/13, Peter Frederick wrote: The fan is also kicked on in high speed by the temperature switch in the thermostat housing. Pull that wire

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-14 Thread Peter Frederick
No, the aux fan has it's own fuse. Also check to make sure the slow speed resistor is OK, else you won't have low speed. I found out today that the AC is fine on the TE, but the aux fan was jammed by an extra metal tab sticking out in an inappropriate place on the new condenser I put in

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread MG
Yeah I thought of putting in an all electric fan, even have two different ones to try but I wanted to explore the possibility of using a part that fit right in. If none of the 617s ever had an electric fan clutch then I will be on the lookout for one on the 601 in the upull. Do you know if

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread MG
Did some more looking. Looks like the 601-602 have a completely electric fan. I wanted to try and find a fan with an electric clutch like the AC compressor that would bolt to the water pump in place of the viscous coupling there now. Don't know if there is one like that on any of the Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread MG
All I could see for the 190s is the all electric fan, no clutch there at all. Have been having slightly higher then normal temps in the summer ever since I did a cooling system flush and installed a new thermostat (up to 100 at first and 110 now in Fl with AC at high speeds or around town

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Dave in SoCal
On Jul 12, 2013, at 9:21 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel wrote: At 9:39 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: The receiver drier is by the port side of the radiator -- Out in front. Found it. And those two wires coming out are for the fan? -MMM- Looked into this awhile back for my W123s. Cleanest

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Curt Raymond
clutch, one for the aux fan) to see if I could get it to lock up sooner. Dr. Fatty has an early 617 URO fan clutch for $80, the later is a Behr which is $300+ -Curt Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:07:39 -0400 From: MG trainpain2...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Curt Raymond
Untrue, 601 uses an electromagnetic fan clutch as previously discussed. -Curt Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:33:34 -0400 From: MG trainpain2...@aol.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch Message-ID: 51e13b0e.50...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Curt Raymond
@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch Message-ID: 51e13ec2.8020...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed All I could see for the 190s is the all electric fan, no clutch  there at all. Have been having slightly higher then normal temps in the summer  ever since I

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jul 13, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Dr. Fatty has an early 617 URO fan clutch for $80, the later is a Behr which is $300+ Autohaus AZ has the behr for 160. Benzpartsforless has oe for 300 something. Rick Sent from my iPhone

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Fmiser
At 9:39 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: The receiver drier is by the port side of the radiator -- M. Mitchell Marmel wrote: Out in front. Found it. And those two wires coming out are for the fan? Dave wrote: Looked into this awhile back for my W123s. Cleanest method I

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Peter Frederick
There are usually two sets of wires -- one for a low refrigerant pressure switch (to save the compressor if the freon leaks out) and a pressure or temperature switch to kick the auxillary fan in on low speed. If you short the two wires for the fan switch together with the ignition on and

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread MG
Ah well that is what I was worrying about. I was hoping for more like $140 to $160 range. As far as the turn on point as long as it turned on in the 95 to 100 range it would be fine with me. I already have a URO clutch on the way for $47 and a thermo for $16. If that doesn't do it then I

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread MG
Yeah. That's why I was thinking of the thermo as the first part to change. If that doesn't work then the next easiest is the fan clutch, then the radiator. As far as the electro magnetic fan fan clutch. What year and model car is that? I looked at the 190D with 601 and it showed what looked

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Chris James
I think if I remember correctly from my 190D, the main fan was engaged at 100C cut off once the temp lowered to around 90C-95C. High speed aux was set to trigger at 110C. Perhaps you have a bad or incorrect temp switch installed? On 7/13/2013 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: As installed on

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Chris James
I wondered why they didn't put electric clutches on the larger engined cars. They are pretty neat perhaps offer better control of engine temps with a defined on-off signal from the temp switch. Looked at a W116 300SD for sale once. The owner said he had bolted the fan to the clutch?, so it

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Curt Raymond
-MERCEDES-190dyearid=1984%40%401984makeid=63%40%40MERCEDESmodelid=6119%3AMBC%7C1481%3AED%7C1092%40%40190Dcatid=240909@@Cooling%20Systemsubcatid=240997@@Fan%20Clutchmode=PA -Curt Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 17:56:06 -0400 From: MG trainpain2...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fan

[MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread MG
Does anyone know if there is an electric fan clutch available for the 617 engine? Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread Craig
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:40:54 -0400 MG trainpain2...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know if there is an electric fan clutch available for the 617 engine? I have never heard of one. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread OK Don
I think your options are to get and try one from a 601 in a W201 - 190D, or replace the entire fan with an electric fan or two mounted where the fan shroud is now. Then you can control it electrically all you want :-) On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri,

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 7:04 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: I think your options are to get and try one from a 601 in a W201 - 190D, or replace the entire fan with an electric fan or two mounted where the fan shroud is now. Then you can control it electrically all you want :-) Speaking of which, Don, I wanna wire

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread Dan Penoff
Why not wire it in at the high temp switch at the receiver dryer? Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 12, 2013, at 8:42 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: At 7:04 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: I think your options are to get and try one from a 601 in a W201 - 190D, or replace the

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 8:54 PM -0400 7/12/13, Dan Penoff wrote: Why not wire it in at the high temp switch at the receiver dryer? Good idea. Where dat? -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread Craig
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:20:21 -0500 M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:54 PM -0400 7/12/13, Dan Penoff wrote: Why not wire it in at the high temp switch at the receiver dryer? Good idea. Where dat? Considering the vintage of your car, look for the cylinderical thing in the

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread OK Don
The receiver drier is by the port side of the radiator -- On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:20:21 -0500 M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:54 PM -0400 7/12/13, Dan Penoff wrote: Why not wire it in at the high temp

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread Chris James
Yes, the 4cyl cars were the only ones to have the electromechanical fan clutch (starting with the 190E 2.3 190D 2.2 here in the US.). Just buy a new fan clutch for your OM617, instead of trying to re-engineer the car be done with itAre you currently having cooling issues? On

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 9:39 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: The receiver drier is by the port side of the radiator -- Out in front. Found it. And those two wires coming out are for the fan? -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Botch job cause Stu said so

2013-03-08 Thread Dan Penoff
I have no problems with the fan clutch or the cooling system. In this climate you want everything to be working at its peak, as efficiencies really kick in when you have 98F ambients with 100% humidity, that's all. It has been my understanding that the fluid can leak out slowly over the life

[MBZ] Fan Clutch Modification

2013-03-07 Thread Dan Penoff
Anyone ever try this? http://www.k6jrf.com/MB_vfc.html I see that it's originally from Stu, meaning that it must be relatively safe. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Modification

2013-03-07 Thread Max Dillon
Looks easy enough. Two methods are discussed, adding a bolt and shortening the pin. You could undo the bolt, and if you had a spare pin you could restore the original, so neither modification needs to be permanent. On my '95 E300, I refilled the clutch with oil, that worked for me. -- Max

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Modification

2013-03-07 Thread Dan Penoff
I may look into this next week, as I am off for the week for spring break. I don't like the pin modification, as it is permanent and the fan clutch is a rather pricey part. I figured I would check on the fluid as well. Can you expound on this some more? I seem to recall some discussion about

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Modification

2013-03-07 Thread Max Dillon
If you remove the bi-metallic strip and the pin, you can add oil through the hole the pin came from. I used 3000 cps viscosity silicone oil, got a really small bottle at a hobby store. They sell it for remote controlled car differentials. I think the cost was $10 or so. I found the best way

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Modification

2013-03-07 Thread Kevin Kraly
That silicone oil was hard enough to get into the differential of my RC truck, but I think I used 10,000 CPS. I have a bottle of 50,000, and it's nearly Solid! I think it's available in 100,000 and 500,000 viscosities which would nearly lock up the gears. The toughest part was not to get it

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Modification

2013-03-07 Thread Dan Penoff
Ahhh, so the pin comes out, allowing you to fill through the hole it is located in. Got it. I'm not terribly keen about modifying the bimetallic strip, no matter what Stu says, despite wanting to do everything I can to keep the temps down. I will probably just try and fill it as much as I

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Modification

2013-03-07 Thread Peter Frederick
Two points on the fan clutch -- first, the fluid leaked out originally, it's very very unlikely the new fluid won't. You should buy a goodly supply, as you will be doing this again pretty soon unless you take it all apart and replace the seals, which is what's wrong with it. Second,

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Modification

2013-03-07 Thread Max Dillon
Peter, Where are the seals, how are they replaced? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Two points on the fan clutch -- first, the fluid leaked out originally, it's very very unlikely the new fluid won't. You should buy

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Modification

2013-03-07 Thread Peter Frederick
There are seals between the halves of the clutch and on the shaft. Usually the shaft is bad, I suspect, and you'd have to find a proper seal, I don't know of any kits. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Botch job cause Stu said so

2013-03-07 Thread Hendrik and fay
Question is, what is the problem, is the car getting hot, they are supposed to be hot. Between 82 and 110 Celsius is operating range, at 110 the aux fan should come on as a last line of defence. At 82 the thermostat opens a bit and coolant really starts to flow. Normal driving should be 82-85

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Botch job cause Stu said so

2013-03-07 Thread Peter Frederick
Typically a bad visco clutch results in rising temps sitting in slow traffic or stopped that goes back down quickly when moving. While technically not overheating when the temp goes up to say 110, here in the sweat belt, lack of airflow over the condenser means you sit in a hot, damp car

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Botch job cause Stu said so

2013-03-07 Thread Dieselhead
Question is, what is the problem, is the car getting hot, they are supposed to be hot. Between 82 and 110 Celsius is operating range, at 110 the aux fan should come on as a last line of defence. At 82 the thermostat opens a bit and coolant really starts to flow. Normal driving should be 82-85

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Botch job cause Stu said so

2013-03-07 Thread Hendrik and fay
The aux fan is supposed to work on refrigerant pressure as well. Pretty sure the main fan is not supposed to come on until 95. And yeah we've been sweating here as well 30-35 degrees with high humidity. Hendrik who is not sweating at the moment On 08/03/13 15:19, Peter Frederick wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Fan Clutch Modification oil thread

2013-03-07 Thread Hendrik and fay
According to this http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/189747-viscous-fan-oil-viscocity.html it's supposed to be 10,000CST. Hendrik who might have to investigate his fluid coupling On 08/03/13 12:13, Max Dillon wrote: If you remove the bi-metallic strip and the pin, you can

[MBZ] Fan clutch - OM603 vs. M103?

2006-03-09 Thread Dave M.
Hi all, Someone over on MBShop forum just said they successfully used an M103 fan clutch (which is cheap easily available) on to an OM603 (which uses a more expensive clutch). I never even thought of this before. Anyone know what the functional difference is between the two, if any? Read for

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch operation (was: Terrified driving)

2005-09-30 Thread Dave M.
I agree with Marshall. Anyone who thinks the fan is redundant at freeway speeds, please remove your fan and go for a drive on the freeway. Be prepared to either re-install the fan on the side of the freeway (I can hear Gabe firing up the flame-o-gram already), or call AAA to tow your car with the