Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-23 Thread Rolf
HF has honored everything I have ever taken back, including socket that split that I clearly drove on with a sledge hammer. Not only that but you can HAGGLE an extended warranty on everything that doesnt have a life time warranty. -Rolf On 09/18/2011 03:31 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I just

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-21 Thread Michael Canfield
I just scrapped some batteries. 3 batteries got me $50. Mike On Sep 20, 2011 11:45 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The battery. Last time I needed a battery FLAPS core was less than the salvage price for a battery of $3-5. But I have not checked for several years. On Mon, Sep 19,

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-21 Thread Mitch Haley
Michael Canfield wrote: I just scrapped some batteries. 3 batteries got me $50. I try to keep a couple of small ones on hand for trade-ins. I'd never trade in a group 49 for a core charge. If they're giving $15-20 for those I guess it's time to get rid of a dead one I've got laying around.

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-21 Thread Dieselhead
We must be getting ripped off in this part of the country. Last 49 battery I scrapped (last year) brought a whole $5 after he tried to tell me it was worth $3. I told him it was way bigger than a car battery and more like a truck battery, then he gave in. I just scrapped some batteries.

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-21 Thread Michael Canfield
Where I go they pay $.30 per pound. Mike On Sep 21, 2011 9:12 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: We must be getting ripped off in this part of the country. Last 49 battery I scrapped (last year) brought a whole $5 after he tried to tell me it was worth $3. I told him it was way bigger

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-20 Thread Mitch Haley
Dieselhead wrote: Soon after, Penny's had a lifetime battery. I bought one of them. they were better, but the second time they replaced it, they said that was the last battery. Soon after, they closed all their auto centers. I don't remember the lifetime Diehard. Rachel Veitch has had 8

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-20 Thread Greg Fiorentino
-Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools I bought a crapsman metric set with combination wrenches

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-20 Thread Dieselhead
The battery.Last time I needed a battery FLAPS core was less than the salvage price for a battery of $3-5. But I have not checked for several years. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The penny;s battery has been sitting dead for 21 years Some

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Brian Toscano wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SK_Hand_Tools In 1985 SK became part of Facom Tools. So that's why I started noticing warranty trouble in the spring of 1986. Just minor stuff, the girl at the hardware store, instead of handing me a new tool, spent ten minutes looking the

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-19 Thread Allan Streib
On Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:44 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: In the PNW the full S-K line of hand tools is available at a chain called Baxter's Auto Parts, but I have no idea how widespread they are. Here you can find Armstrong tools at Fastenal outlets. I've not

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-19 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Here you can find Armstrong tools at Fastenal outlets. I've not been there myself, but one just opened in town and I've been meaning to check it out. Armstrong stuff is excellent and priced less than SK. I believe

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-19 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Brian Toscano wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SK_Hand_Tools In 1985 SK became part of Facom Tools. So that's why I started noticing warranty trouble in the spring of 1986. That reflects rather badly on Facom.

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-19 Thread Fmiser
Brian Toscano wrote: In 1985 SK became part of Facom Tools. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Mitch Haley So that's why I started noticing warranty trouble in the spring of 1986. Alex Chamberlain wrote: That reflects rather badly on Facom. They're supposed to be the French

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: That reflects rather badly on Facom. They're supposed to be the French (Italian?) equivalent of Mac or Snap-On, absolutely the highest pro quality (used by Ferrari's pit crews according to Richard Griot), but if they give you trouble with warranty replacements...

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-19 Thread Randy Bennell
On 19/09/2011 2:48 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: That reflects rather badly on Facom. They're supposed to be the French (Italian?) equivalent of Mac or Snap-On, absolutely the highest pro quality (used by Ferrari's pit crews according to Richard Griot), but if they give you

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Mitch Haley wrote: Just the idea that my 'unconditional lifetime warranty' had suddenly beome unconditional after ten years Geez. Had suddenly become conditional, it should have said. The dealers had received instructions not to accept items with suspicious scratches, like wrenches and

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-19 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Facom and SK have been divorced since the 1990's. SK tools was not doing well and was recently purchased by another tool conglomerate maybe two years ago? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: That reflects rather badly on

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-19 Thread Dieselhead
Yeah, I had the lifetime warrenty snears Die-easy batteries back when they had that warranty. They lasted from a day to a year, and snears didn't want to see me coming back. The last time, they told me they changed the policy, and that was the last battery I'd get. Soon after, Penny's had a

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-19 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:  The penny;s battery has been sitting dead for 21 years  Some year I will sell it for scrap. The car or the battery? Around here FLAPS will give you $10-$20 off the price of a new battery if you bring in an old one,

[MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Allan Streib
I just ordered this from HF: http://www.harborfreight.com/7-piece-38-drive-metric-long-reach-hex-bit-socket-set-67890.html My last customer service experience at Sears was so bad that I'm going to try something different. I've almost always bought Craftsman tools, even though I think their

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Peter Frederick
You will get what you pay for. I bought a $40 ball joint tool set, bent the C-clamp on the first real job we tried (replacing W126 ball joints, a royal pain). I just spent $180 on a Specialty Products ball joint tool set that looked identical, but this time the clamp stayed true even

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Allan Streib
Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net writes: A friend of mine bought an AC vacuum pump from them, then spent the rest of the day looking for the oil for it. Nice pump, but no vacuum pump oil in the store, no sign that it was necessary, the whole thing was a pain. I also bought an AC vacuum

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Dieselhead
I bought a crapsman metric set with combination wrenches and 3/8 and 1/2 drive sockets in the 70s. I have never complained about the sockets. In fact I still recommend buying a crapsman 1 1/16 deep socket for injector holder RR. The combination wrenches, however, were another story. The

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Rich Thomas
Some of the HF stuff seems OK, I bought a set of long combo wrenches to get up in some spaces on my house addition where I was setting some lag bolts and nuts, they seem nicely balanced, well-polished, and did the job. I have some other kinda specialty stuff I got from them (some star

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Mountain Man
Dieselhead wrote: I bought a crapsman metric set with combination wrenches and 3/8 and 1/2 drive sockets in the 70s.  I have never complained about the sockets. Yah, well... I broke my '70's 10mm socket while trying to recover your set of seatbelts from the carcass. I fear to go to Sears for a

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Allan Streib
Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: I broke my '70's 10mm socket while trying to recover your set of seatbelts from the carcass. I fear to go to Sears for a replacement. I guess I should go to the pawn shop and hope to find a WF socket. I've never had an argument from Sears about

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread LWB250
to take them in to Sear and swap for new ones Dan From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools Mountain Man maontin

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Mountain Man
Dan wrote: You will have no questions.  Take it in, find a salesperson, tell them it broke, they'll pick out a replacement for you.  No questions asked. Yabbut... This is a 6-point 10mm, i.e. special set of which one socket is gone bad, I dunno. Plus, anything sold today is probably not

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Curt Raymond
sockets, the only complaint I have is the laser etching can be kind of hard to read. Otherwise again I've never hurt one or had it round a bolt. -Curt Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:31:09 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Brian Toscano
, 18 Sep 2011 15:31:09 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools Message-ID: m1hb49wsua@156-56-179-237.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just ordered this from HF: http

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Curt Raymond
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools Message-ID: a062408c0ca9c00451de4@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed I bought a crapsman metric set with combination wrenches and 3/8 and 1/2 drive sockets in the 70s. I have never

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Allan Streib
Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: This is a 6-point 10mm, i.e. special set of which one socket is gone bad, I dunno. They won't replace the whole set, but should replace the individual broken socket. Whether they actually have 6 point sockets for sale individually is another

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Proto wrenches are the best. Blackhawk and armsrtrong are also good. Walt On Sep 18, 2011 4:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I bought a crapsman metric set with combination wrenches and 3/8 and 1/2 drive sockets in the 70s. I have never complained about the sockets. In fact I still

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Hans Neureiter
HF is my choice for shit I don't need and the stuff I only use once. I bought a @ 25 cordless drill, 18V. after four #12 x 1..5 screws ?? Before that I bought a 16 orbital Polisher. Myself and several 'freinds' couldn't wear it out. If you spell HF backwards it comes ot as Pot Luck. You get what

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Hans Neureiter
What is a SK ratchet? 'm an old mechanic. Missed this one. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I finally bought an SK ratchet on Amazon as I was so tired of my Crapsman 1/2 locking up and not ratcheting or slipping into the wrong direction.

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Brian Toscano
SK is a decent brand of hand tools. The stuff I've had from them has been OK. Usually purchased online from someplace like toolwarehouse.net. Brian On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: What is a SK ratchet? 'm an old mechanic. Missed this one.

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
SK tools. Pretty well known brand. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: What is a SK ratchet? 'm an old mechanic. Missed this one. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I finally bought an SK ratchet

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Mitch Haley
Hans Neureiter wrote: What is a SK ratchet? 'm an old mechanic. Missed this one. You're kidding. Best tools to never ride a tool truck. Between MAC/MATCO and old Craftsman level. http://www.skhandtool.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Dieselhead
You should have plenty of snears around Chicagoland. Give them a try first. It might work. Yabbut... This is a 6-point 10mm, i.e. special set of which one socket is gone bad, I dunno. Plus, anything sold today is probably not Western Forge - probably china, no? mao

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Dieselhead
S-K used to be found in good hardware stores in independent FLAPS. Since the walmartization of autoparts, they are close to unobtanium locally. IF they are as good as they used to be, they as good as anything Snappy ever ripped someone off for. If you can find a S-K rachet from the 60s, it

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: S-K used to be found in good hardware stores in independent FLAPS. Since the walmartization of autoparts, they are close to unobtanium locally. In the PNW the full S-K line of hand tools is available at a chain called

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Hans Neureiter
I simply asked : what does SK stand for ? Brands I have in my box are Armstrong, Craftsmen, Korean chumnk and , no I don't naver bought one - Snap-On. (loose a few...) On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Dieselhead

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Fmiser
Hans Neureiter wrote: I simply asked : what does SK stand for ? That is the brand. S-K. It probably does stand for something, but on the tools that's all it has. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] First experiment with HF tools

2011-09-18 Thread Brian Toscano
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SK_Hand_Tools On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hans Neureiter wrote: I simply asked : what does SK stand for ? That is the brand. S-K. It probably does stand for something, but on the tools that's all it has. --Philip