Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start
On 6/28/07, Troy Kocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The only reported issue was once, three weeks ago, when my daughter > reported it wanted to die when she came to a stop, at a traffic light . > Later that evening by the time I got to the car I couldn't reproduce the > problem. > > Stopped by my mechanic today and described the problem to him and thought > I had flooded it at this point and advised taking out the plugs, getting the > fuel out of they cylinders by cranking till it all is out. Replacing the > plugs with new ones, Replacing the distributor cap & rotor button. When I > described the spark I was seeing from the plugs as 'bright white' he thought > that strange as he typically sees a red spark from the plugs. > > Haven't tried smelling the plug hole, but when I removed the plug > originally it was pretty dry. Right now ambient temp here is 90+F & > humidity of >80%. > > thanks for your continued input. . Hope I don't have to give up and tow it > to the mechanic! :-( > > I think I'll try the plugs and rotor next. . seems reasonable. . > > Troy Kocher > > On 6/28/07, Hendrik Riessen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > OK we'll go back one step, in order for an engine to run you need three > > things; fuel/air mixture, compression and spark. This all has to happen > > at > > the right time obviously. > > Right now I am still focusing on fuel because losing compression all of > > a > > sudden is a rare thing, can happen if the valve timing is off. > > Losing ignition timing all of a sudden is also pretty rare, can happen > > if > > the dizzy came loose. > > When you crank it and then remove a plug, do you get a smell of fuel > > happening? If the engine is getting fuel but the timing is off you > > should be > > able to smell (and perhaps see a wet plug) fuel. > > Another possibility is that you have lost your cold start circuit, > > although > > unless it is really cold the engine will fire without that circuit. > > I take it that the car was running fine before it decided to stop > > playing > > ball? > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Troy Kocher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start > > > > > > >I do have spark I tested the front most plug wire with a > > screwdriver. I > > > also removed one of the center plugs, left it connected to the plug > > wire > > > and > > > watched it spark. . > > > > > > Troy > > > > > > On 6/27/07, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> A KE-jet engine will run without a working OVP relay, it will run > > without > > >> the injection computer working but will not run without a working > > >> ignition > > >> computer. > > >> You do have spark? > > >> > > Turned out, after replacing the plugs, rotor & distributor cap it is running and back to normal. . thanks for all the help on this. . ! Troy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start
The only reported issue was once, three weeks ago, when my daughter reported it wanted to die when she came to a stop, at a traffic light . Later that evening by the time I got to the car I couldn't reproduce the problem. Stopped by my mechanic today and described the problem to him and thought I had flooded it at this point and advised taking out the plugs, getting the fuel out of they cylinders by cranking till it all is out. Replacing the plugs with new ones, Replacing the distributor cap & rotor button. When I described the spark I was seeing from the plugs as 'bright white' he thought that strange as he typically sees a red spark from the plugs. Haven't tried smelling the plug hole, but when I removed the plug originally it was pretty dry. Right now ambient temp here is 90+F & humidity of >80%. thanks for your continued input. . Hope I don't have to give up and tow it to the mechanic! :-( I think I'll try the plugs and rotor next. . seems reasonable. . Troy Kocher On 6/28/07, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK we'll go back one step, in order for an engine to run you need three > things; fuel/air mixture, compression and spark. This all has to happen at > the right time obviously. > Right now I am still focusing on fuel because losing compression all of a > sudden is a rare thing, can happen if the valve timing is off. > Losing ignition timing all of a sudden is also pretty rare, can happen if > the dizzy came loose. > When you crank it and then remove a plug, do you get a smell of fuel > happening? If the engine is getting fuel but the timing is off you should > be > able to smell (and perhaps see a wet plug) fuel. > Another possibility is that you have lost your cold start circuit, > although > unless it is really cold the engine will fire without that circuit. > I take it that the car was running fine before it decided to stop playing > ball? > > - Original Message - > From: "Troy Kocher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start > > > >I do have spark I tested the front most plug wire with a screwdriver. I > > also removed one of the center plugs, left it connected to the plug wire > > and > > watched it spark. . > > > > Troy > > > > On 6/27/07, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> A KE-jet engine will run without a working OVP relay, it will run > without > >> the injection computer working but will not run without a working > >> ignition > >> computer. > >> You do have spark? > >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start
OK we'll go back one step, in order for an engine to run you need three things; fuel/air mixture, compression and spark. This all has to happen at the right time obviously. Right now I am still focusing on fuel because losing compression all of a sudden is a rare thing, can happen if the valve timing is off. Losing ignition timing all of a sudden is also pretty rare, can happen if the dizzy came loose. When you crank it and then remove a plug, do you get a smell of fuel happening? If the engine is getting fuel but the timing is off you should be able to smell (and perhaps see a wet plug) fuel. Another possibility is that you have lost your cold start circuit, although unless it is really cold the engine will fire without that circuit. I take it that the car was running fine before it decided to stop playing ball? - Original Message - From: "Troy Kocher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start >I do have spark I tested the front most plug wire with a screwdriver. I > also removed one of the center plugs, left it connected to the plug wire > and > watched it spark. . > > Troy > > On 6/27/07, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> A KE-jet engine will run without a working OVP relay, it will run without >> the injection computer working but will not run without a working >> ignition >> computer. >> You do have spark? >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start
Haven't replaced anything yet. . I DO have spark when I take a plug out and lay it atop the rocker cover I can watch it spark. . Troy On 6/27/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Crank position sensor (the one on the rear of the engine) -- no spark. > Just out of pure silliness, have you replaced the OVP relay? > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start
I do have spark I tested the front most plug wire with a screwdriver. I also removed one of the center plugs, left it connected to the plug wire and watched it spark. . Troy On 6/27/07, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A KE-jet engine will run without a working OVP relay, it will run without > the injection computer working but will not run without a working ignition > computer. > You do have spark? > > - Original Message - > From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start > > > > Crank position sensor (the one on the rear of the engine) -- no spark. > > Just out of pure silliness, have you replaced the OVP relay? > > > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start
A KE-jet engine will run without a working OVP relay, it will run without the injection computer working but will not run without a working ignition computer. You do have spark? - Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start > Crank position sensor (the one on the rear of the engine) -- no spark. > Just out of pure silliness, have you replaced the OVP relay? > > Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start
Crank position sensor (the one on the rear of the engine) -- no spark. Just out of pure silliness, have you replaced the OVP relay? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start
Well, I think it is worse than originally expected. . Poured fuel down the air intake, NOTHING not even a chug. . Removed center two plugs and poured fuel in . . NOTHING not even a chug. . Checked rotor and when piston #1 @ top dead center rotor button was on that plug wire. Watched lifters work thru the oil fill hole, they seem to be moving Removed the front fuel line and cranked, fuel just hardly dribbled out. . Removed fuel input to the injector pump and cranked.. FLOODED out.. Does it sound like I've jumped time?? Any help would be appreciated. . Thanks Troy On 6/25/07, James Zavesky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Had a 1989 E320 wagon with the same problem. Previous owner ran a wire > from > the battery to a switch he mounted in the floor by the drivers seat that > then went to the fuel pump. Yanked his Rube Goldberg system out and put a > fuel pump relay in. Car started and ran fine. > > To test the fuel pump run a long heavier gauge wire from the battery to > the > pump to see if the pump is good. If it is see if it works with the key in > the run position, if not - change the relay. Buy the relay new from Rusty, > getting stuck sucks especially for the daughter. > > I have the EPC - send your request OFFLIST to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > James Zavesky > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Troy Kocher > > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:47 AM > > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start > > > > Listers, > > > > I need some advise on my daughter's car. Several weeks ago she > complained > > her 1990 190e 2.6 w/ 7, (I think it's actually about 15, but > > that's > > another story) was not wanting to die when she came to an idle. By the > > time > > I came to inspect it the problem seem to have resolved it's self, and I > > couldn't reproduce it. The car has sat for 2wks, and I went out to > start > > it this morning and it won't start it just cranks. I checked and it > > appears > > I'm getting spark so given last week's issues I'm thinking it's a fuel > > problem. What should I look at next? Fuel filter? Pump or pump relay? > > What should I evaluate next? This is the first issue I've ever really > had > > with her car and I'm kinda at a loss. All my previous cars were/are > > diesel. I'd appreciate any advise. . > > > > Also does anyone have access to an online parts manual? > > > > > > Troy Kocher > > 77 240d (biofuels.ca) 191kMi , 79 280CE 130kMi(parts), 77 240d > > parts, > > > > 81 240d 287kMi, 82 300CD 215kMi , 90 190E 69kMi, 95 E300d 228kMi > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start
Had a 1989 E320 wagon with the same problem. Previous owner ran a wire from the battery to a switch he mounted in the floor by the drivers seat that then went to the fuel pump. Yanked his Rube Goldberg system out and put a fuel pump relay in. Car started and ran fine. To test the fuel pump run a long heavier gauge wire from the battery to the pump to see if the pump is good. If it is see if it works with the key in the run position, if not - change the relay. Buy the relay new from Rusty, getting stuck sucks especially for the daughter. I have the EPC - send your request OFFLIST to [EMAIL PROTECTED] James Zavesky > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Troy Kocher > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:47 AM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start > > Listers, > > I need some advise on my daughter's car. Several weeks ago she complained > her 1990 190e 2.6 w/ 7, (I think it's actually about 15, but > that's > another story) was not wanting to die when she came to an idle. By the > time > I came to inspect it the problem seem to have resolved it's self, and I > couldn't reproduce it. The car has sat for 2wks, and I went out to start > it this morning and it won't start it just cranks. I checked and it > appears > I'm getting spark so given last week's issues I'm thinking it's a fuel > problem. What should I look at next? Fuel filter? Pump or pump relay? > What should I evaluate next? This is the first issue I've ever really had > with her car and I'm kinda at a loss. All my previous cars were/are > diesel. I'd appreciate any advise. . > > Also does anyone have access to an online parts manual? > > > Troy Kocher > 77 240d (biofuels.ca) 191kMi , 79 280CE 130kMi(parts), 77 240d > parts, > > 81 240d 287kMi, 82 300CD 215kMi , 90 190E 69kMi, 95 E300d 228kMi > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start
Dump some fuel into the engine to see if it fires, do it carefully and get advice if you have not done this sort of thing before. The fuel pump relay is a notorious troublemaker in the 190E's. Can be found behind the battery and can be taken apart to check soldering, although trying to find a crook solder is a needle in a haystack job because while the solder may look good from the top it could have issues underneath. The relay is not cheap new so make sure it is the culprit, you can get S/H ones but they may be just as dodgy. - Original Message - From: "Troy Kocher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:17 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start > Listers, > > I need some advise on my daughter's car. Several weeks ago she complained > her 1990 190e 2.6 w/ 7, (I think it's actually about 15, but > that's ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start
Listers, I need some advise on my daughter's car. Several weeks ago she complained her 1990 190e 2.6 w/ 7, (I think it's actually about 15, but that's another story) was not wanting to die when she came to an idle. By the time I came to inspect it the problem seem to have resolved it's self, and I couldn't reproduce it. The car has sat for 2wks, and I went out to start it this morning and it won't start it just cranks. I checked and it appears I'm getting spark so given last week's issues I'm thinking it's a fuel problem. What should I look at next? Fuel filter? Pump or pump relay? What should I evaluate next? This is the first issue I've ever really had with her car and I'm kinda at a loss. All my previous cars were/are diesel. I'd appreciate any advise. . Also does anyone have access to an online parts manual? Troy Kocher 77 240d (biofuels.ca) 191kMi , 79 280CE 130kMi(parts), 77 240d parts, 81 240d 287kMi, 82 300CD 215kMi , 90 190E 69kMi, 95 E300d 228kMi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
