Another effect from driving it with cooler temps is the collection of
water, then acids in the oil. Getting the engine up to temperature helps to
evaporate the accumulating water (from combustion gasses that by-pass the
rings and the atmosphere) out of the oil and crankcase.
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at
too and bounce against the stuck
brakes (or whatever) a couple times before it would actually move...
-Curt
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> > > Mountain Man w
> > > Mountain Man wrote:
> > >
> > > Why is there a hurry to do more work?
> > Randy Bennell wrote:
> >
> > It has a history of overheating. If one is prepared to gamble
> > and potentially sacrifice the engine, then no problem.
> Curt wrote:
>
> Lets put this one to rest finally please. It ha
cause of that
overheat, a radiator hose clamp broke and the coolant fell out of the engine,
no mystery there.
-Curt
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Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 12:00 PM
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Just use basic automatic gun oil or, M1 if you prefer.
RB
On 03/03/2015 7:13 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
Wha sort of oil does one use on an automatic gun?
--R (sent from my miniPad)
On Mar 3, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
wrote:
On 03/03/2015 11:08 AM, dseretakis---
On 03/03/2015 7:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:
Why is there a hurry to do more work?
If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no
heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked open
isn't a terrible thing, is it? A bit of coolant leak is not as bad
Yes . You can easily regulate the temps to the 180 to 190 range
with the cardboard.
Cold running wears hard on the engine.
Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:41:22 -0600
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
From
> Mountain wrote:
>
> If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with
> no heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked
> open isn't a terrible thing, is it?
Yeah, it is. You could rig a variable radiator cover so you could
keep the coolant temperature in the op
Cold running wears hard on the engine.
Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:41:22 -0600
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>
> Why is there a hurry to do more work?
&g
Sowing machine oil?(snark off)
Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 20:13:31 -0500
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>
> Wha sort of oil does one use on an automatic gun?
>
I guess there is no hurry. It's obvious that problem is getting worse as hoses
get pressurized but I guess I can leave rad cap loose.
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> On Mar 3, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Why is there a hurry to do more work?
> If the engine runs hundreds o
Yes, wait for spring if you can.
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'87 300TD
'95 E300
On March 3, 2015 8:41:22 PM EST, Mountain Man via Mercedes
wrote:
>Why is there a hurry to do more work?
>If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no
>heating problem, why not leave it? The
via Mercedes
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>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>>
>> Thoughts:
>>
>> I recall, this car had the head replaced before? Or was it just the
>
I'll sell you my custom made hot tank for testing the head?
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
On March 3, 2015 3:39:14 PM EST, dseretakis--- via Mercedes
wrote:
>I'm thinking that diagnosis is important. How do I know the leak isn't
>stemming from the block? The head really did loo
EPC knows all. If the original head part number has been superseded so that
the new head part number can be used on old and new engines...
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You need the services of a good machine shop equipped with the ability to
do a dye check for cracks. Not all cracks are visible to the naked eye, but
will open up at operation temperatures and allow a leak path..
I would wan
Why is there a hurry to do more work?
If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no
heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked open
isn't a terrible thing, is it? A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as
an oil leak, is it? Run it as is and watch things clos
The best I've found is an oil called "Frog Lube" ...
Read up on it.. it's wonderful stuff... Might even work in Mercedes
applications such as door locks and hood latches.. It repels water and will
not attract sand or dirt..
http://froglube.com/
It will keep your semi-automatic working smoothly..
Wha sort of oil does one use on an automatic gun?
--R (sent from my miniPad)
On Mar 3, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
wrote:
> On 03/03/2015 11:08 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Any thoughts?
IF we did not have your overheating problem to discuss, we would have to start
On 03/03/2015 11:08 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
Any thoughts?
IF we did not have your overheating problem to discuss, we would have to
start another oil thread.
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> imperfections, Fred checked it for flatness and pronounced it okay. The
> same for the block.
> > -Curt
> > From: G Mann via Mercedes
> > To: Fred Moir ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:47 PM
>
ginal engine,. The new head
itself should not be any different from the old head as far as hold down method
is concerned.Opinions are like a fundamental orifice, everybody has one.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
Date
d over the head carefully checking for cracks, bumps and
> imperfections, Fred checked it for flatness and pronounced it okay. The same
> for the block.
> -Curt
> From: G Mann via Mercedes
> To: Fred Moir ; Mercedes Discussion List
>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2
t; thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have you matched
> the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV.
>
> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>
>> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500
>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Subject
-Curt
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Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Thoughts:
I recall, this car had the head replaced before? Or was it just the
head gasket?
On removal of the head, I
within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the block
> > threads thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have
> you
> > matched the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV.
> >
> > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
> >
> &g
o the olde and new parts?YMMV.
>
> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>
>> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500
>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>
, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500
> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes
&g
Any thoughts?
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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12
> point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts?
> Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be
Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 point
head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts?
Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with such
bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old engine.
Se
Good thing you have another head...
Curt
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the glow plugs and
>> cranked it to get the water out. Put 'em back in and it ran. If I left the
>> cap loose it wasn't a problem.
>> -Curt
>> From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com"
>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List
>>
>> Se
ent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Funny stuff! Did you have cafe au lait oil?
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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Well yeah but I realized what had happened. I pulled the
If I left the
> cap loose it wasn't a problem.
> -Curt
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>
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:33 PM
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>
> You didn't end u
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You didn't end up hydro locking the engine?
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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by th
ines and I decided it wasn't worth it...
> -Curt
>
> From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com"
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List
>
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>
> How did the stuff ruin th
have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it
> myself...
> -Curt
> From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>
me to fix it
> myself...
> -Curt
> From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes
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> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>
>> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Me
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
To: G Mann
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in th
to replace it and I didn't have the facilities,
tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it myself...
-Curt
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On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
To: G Mann
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the coolant
system.
And, in so doing will r
Nope
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All posts are the resul
I can see why you hate it now.
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> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I've used it twice and blocked two thermostats, the second one leading to a
> bad head gasket in my wagon. Never more.
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> _
Did you use it in the 78 240D?
On Mar 1, 2015 10:40 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"
wrote:
> I've used it twice and blocked two thermostats, the second one leading to
> a bad head gasket in my wagon. Never more.
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>
I've used it twice and blocked two thermostats, the second one leading to a bad
head gasket in my wagon. Never more.
Curt
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Why do you hate it?
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> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> If it was done it was before I got the car. I hate that stuff..
>
> Curt
>
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Not when i had it or when my brother had it. Don't know before that. I
think it is a speculative stretch.
On Mar 1, 2015 10:25 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"
wrote:
> If it was done it was before I got the car. I hate that stuff..
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>
If it was done it was before I got the car. I hate that stuff..
Curt
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Question:
At any time in this engines life, has it been dosed with crack sealant?
If it has, there is a better than fair chance that there is a ball of that
material floating through the cooling passages.
It is a mixture of aluminum filings and an agent that congeals when heated.
The principle t
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> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:45:40 PM EST
> To: OK Don
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
>
> That was my impression as well.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 1:59 PM, OK Don wrote:
>>
>> I
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> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
> To: G Mann
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
>
> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the coolant
> system.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
You mean someting like "I need an exorcist"?
On Feb 28, 2015 12:38 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> You should write a whimsical message on the cardboard blocking the radiator
> to be read by drivers of the cars you are following.
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1
You should write a whimsical message on the cardboard blocking the radiator
to be read by drivers of the cars you are following.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> The thermostat housing looked pretty good.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> >
The thermostat housing looked pretty good.
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> On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> IIRC corroded thermostat _housings_ can induce problems.
> The plates don't seat right. If the bypass channel couldn't
> be closed properly, and hot water takes
ference in cold
> starting the car...
> -Curt
> From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes
> To: Randy Bennell ; Mercedes Discussion List
>
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>
> Not too many people will know how to st
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Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young thieves
today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to glow the car
-Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to a push b
IIRC corroded thermostat _housings_ can induce problems.
The plates don't seat right. If the bypass channel couldn't
be closed properly, and hot water takes the path of least
resistance, then it could overheat then.
Did you check the inside of the thermostat housing for
corrosion or damage?
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So, how about a new theory - or at least an extension of an existing theory?
With the thermostat blocked open, there is constant flow of coola
I offered to give my old 220D with the pull switch start to several
people if they could start it. It was a real hoot to watch them try
to find the glow plug lamp (if they knew anything about diesels) and
the expression on their face when there was no "start" position on the
keyswitch.
T
Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young thieves
today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to glow the car
-Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to a push button on
the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that!
Sent f
What's the ambient temp? You probably need to block more of the radiator
with the thermostat blocked open. If you add several more narrower strip of
cardboard, you can add/remove them to regulate the temp. You really want
the engine near the normal operating range for extended use, like a road
trip
iPhone
> On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Oh. I like it!
> -Curt
>
>
> From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes
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> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re:
Oh. I like it!
-Curt
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So, how about a new theory - or at least an extension of an existing theory
On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
I love that “like I stole it” phrase! Just imagining it a 240D is rather
amusing……
Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard
would likely go unnoticed by most folks?
RB
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So, how about a new theory - or at least an extension of an existing theory?
With the thermostat blocked open, there is constant flow of coolant so
whatever is loose in the engine and occasionally blocking the flow is
being held in place by the flow.
When the thermostat was operating normally a
Yes my father was a truck driver in one of his earlier careers & he told me
that when I got my first 240D. It is funny for that MB.
On Feb 26, 2015 7:42 PM, "Jon Agne via Mercedes"
wrote:
> I love that “like I stole it” phrase! Just imagining it a 240D is rather
> amusing……
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 20
Believe me, I won't get my hopes up! This car is possessed!
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> On Feb 26, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Be patient. It's been an intermittent thing so you want to be sure this is
> the problem. Partially blocking the radiator is a good idea. It
Be patient. It's been an intermittent thing so you want to be sure this is
the problem. Partially blocking the radiator is a good idea. It will help
achieve a more normal engine temp as well as make the problem visible
sooner, if it recurs. Good luck with this.
> -Original Message-
> F
I love that “like I stole it” phrase! Just imagining it a 240D is rather
amusing……
> On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:16 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
>> Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST
>> T
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
>
> I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a
> total
Thanks for the dimensions!
It is a wahler. It is made in Germany.
Should I heat the tstat in boiling water to open it up to facilitate insertion
of copper pipe/shell casing?
What will prevent it from dislodging?
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On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
wrote:
Thanks for the dimensions!
It is a wahler. It is made in Germany.
Should I heat the tstat in boiling water to open it up to facilitate insertion
of copper pipe/shell casing?
What will prevent it from dislodging?
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On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
wrote:
>
He ruined Curt's made in France thermostat. The OE one I got from
CC is intact.
> As far as Jim Cathey's mod, I don't have a shell casing so will
be using 3/8 copper pipe. What length is good?
>
22.81 mm or .898 inch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_ACP
Is the OE a behr? Where w
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>
> He ruined Curt's made in France thermostat. The OE one I got from CC is
> intact.
> As far as Jim Cath
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