Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
Not really. Nice old dry heart pine with the pitch that it has is a lot more flammable. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And incredibly flammable. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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not if you put a layer of plywood and 2x planks on top of it to distribute the weight. Would make it more flammable though. How about a layer of plastic and then 2 of concrete on top. Would at least seal off the moisture coming up. Manfred Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:48:28 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And, I think the car would sink in a bit. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There are sparks and there are SPARKS. That would have to be a SPARK (lightning size). Really try to light some up some time. See how long it takes to light up with a lighter right on it. If there's a spark hefty enough to light foam board up then I'm out of there 5 min ago because there is a lot of bad stuff happening that I wouldn't want to be anywhere near. Especially in a garage. BTW I'm currently building a house with 9 foam walls. A mini torch is a nice tool to make pockets and holes in the foam with. It will burn but not as easy as you have been told. Blows out readily. It takes concentrated heat applied and moving with the foam as it shrinks away from the heat. Probably will light easiest at a corner. Manfred Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Yes but according to my local fire dept, foam board insulation should under no circumstances be used in an exposed manner as a simple spark can ignite it causing it to go up in flames and emit a dark sooty cloud of smoke. I'm basing my statement on that alone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have pine floors in my garage/barn! I take most of my welding projects outside. Always makes me nervous. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:24 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Not really. Nice old dry heart pine with the pitch that it has is a lot more flammable. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And incredibly flammable. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The real issue of concern is the dry heart pine doesn't emit deadly toxins when it burns on the scale the foam does. It is worth doing some research on just what foam does to humans when it burns. Not all foam is the same, so you have to be research specific but none of it emits good stuff. Some foam emits [gasses off] nasties even without burning. The emissions, once absorbed by humans, causes permanent harm. You can't undo it with medicine. I a member of another board that only deals with bus conversion to motorhome and spray foam insulation is an obvious way to insulate the interior to make it a home instead of a 'bus'... several guys have really harmed themselves with the nasty chemical emitions while installing and working with it.. Use caution, know what you are doing. Grant... AZ On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:24 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Not really. Nice old dry heart pine with the pitch that it has is a lot more flammable. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And incredibly flammable. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And then lift the whole garage to make up for it. The cars go in fine but there is not a lot of clearance to the overhead door with my F150 Supercrew. Randy On 17/04/2012 9:26 PM, OK Don wrote: Cover the existing floor with the foam boards, then pour two inches of concrete over that . . . On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Well that was me. One side has very thin foil, one side has very thin plastic. I could see the sheets could be quite flammable. I have some scraps, I should try it. --R On 4/17/12 3:05 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Interesting. I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize any flaming. Like the bonded foil facing mentioned by the person who originally made the foam sheet suggestion? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe, but is the issue with the foamboard not more of a concern with the gases it gives off when there is a fire? Most plastics are not friendly to the lungs in a fire. Maybe wood smoke is not either, but I think I would rather take my chances with it than the plastic smoke. Randy On 18/04/2012 6:24 AM, MG wrote: Not really. Nice old dry heart pine with the pitch that it has is a lot more flammable. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And incredibly flammable. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I understand that but I think in the end I'd just prefer to not have the thing burn down... -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:43:39 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Message-ID: 4f8ee12b.1040...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Maybe, but is the issue with the foamboard not more of a concern with the gases it gives off when there is a fire? Most plastics are not friendly to the lungs in a fire. Maybe wood smoke is not either, but I think I would rather take my chances with it than the plastic smoke. Randy On 18/04/2012 6:24 AM, MG wrote: Not really. Nice old dry heart pine with the pitch that it has is a lot more flammable. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And incredibly flammable. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For sure that stuff is nasty. Only do the hole burning when the wind is blowing a bit to carry the fumes away. Sure don't want to breath that stuff. Manfred Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:53:14 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy The real issue of concern is the dry heart pine doesn't emit deadly toxins when it burns on the scale the foam does. It is worth doing some research on just what foam does to humans when it burns. Not all foam is the same, so you have to be research specific but none of it emits good stuff. Some foam emits [gasses off] nasties even without burning. The emissions, once absorbed by humans, causes permanent harm. You can't undo it with medicine. I a member of another board that only deals with bus conversion to motorhome and spray foam insulation is an obvious way to insulate the interior to make it a home instead of a 'bus'... several guys have really harmed themselves with the nasty chemical emitions while installing and working with it.. Use caution, know what you are doing. Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How ya gonna seal it at edges; moisture comes up under the sheets just like under paint or epoxy; 'gonna get out somehow. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:31:19 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Get some of that foam board at Lowes/HD, it is cheap, and has foil/plastic facing. 4x8 sheets, a few of those to cover your floor -- moisture barrier, insulation, and sorta soft. --R On 4/16/12 7:04 PM, Dave Cavner wrote: On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is warmer and humid. Randy Moisture definitely migrates upward through slabs. The floor covering industry has used this test to quantify the amount for decades: http://www.vaportest.com/Webpages/calcium_chloride_test.htm Current thinking is rigid insulation before the pour is the best method to eliminate the issue. The amount of insulation depends on your climate zone. Current best practices outlined here: http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-059-slab-happy/ Lots of good info on that site regarding moisture content in dwellings - and how to solve the problem. Overkill for most retrofits. My favorite annecdotal quote is an off-topic post from a wood pellet stove forum: http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/75919/P0/ ...Somebody on here was advising under-slab insulation even for an unheated garage, which sounded like a pretty good idea. Reply from a guy in SW Maine I have no heated slabs of the 5 on my property. I have styrofoam under 4-and-a-half of them. Guess where it's dark and damp in muggy or rainy weather. I can stack bags of grain on the slab in my rodent-proof room (insulated but not heated) and they never get mildewed against the floor. Whoever said it, I can agree with conviction based on experience. Dave SoCal ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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True. My concern would be to prevent moisture from coming up out of the slab and condensing on the bottom of the car. It won't totally eliminate moisture from the slab escaping into the ambient air, just act as a barrier to protect the car. Dan On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:58 AM,WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: How ya gonna seal it at edges; moisture comes up under the sheets just like under paint or epoxy; 'gonna get out somehow. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:31:19 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Get some of that foam board at Lowes/HD, it is cheap, and has foil/plastic facing. 4x8 sheets, a few of those to cover your floor -- moisture barrier, insulation, and sorta soft. --R On 4/16/12 7:04 PM, Dave Cavner wrote: On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is warmer and humid. Randy Moisture definitely migrates upward through slabs. The floor covering industry has used this test to quantify the amount for decades: http://www.vaportest.com/Webpages/calcium_chloride_test.htm Current thinking is rigid insulation before the pour is the best method to eliminate the issue. The amount of insulation depends on your climate zone. Current best practices outlined here: http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-059-slab-happy/ Lots of good info on that site regarding moisture content in dwellings - and how to solve the problem. Overkill for most retrofits. My favorite annecdotal quote is an off-topic post from a wood pellet stove forum: http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/75919/P0/ ...Somebody on here was advising under-slab insulation even for an unheated garage, which sounded like a pretty good idea. Reply from a guy in SW Maine I have no heated slabs of the 5 on my property. I have styrofoam under 4-and-a-half of them. Guess where it's dark and damp in muggy or rainy weather. I can stack bags of grain on the slab in my rodent-proof room (insulated but not heated) and they never get mildewed against the floor. Whoever said it, I can agree with conviction based on experience. Dave SoCal ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And, I think the car would sink in a bit. Randy On 16/04/2012 10:40 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: And incredibly flammable. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Original Message Subject:Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars Date:Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:31:19 -0400 From:Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To:Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Get some of that foam board at Lowes/HD, it is cheap, and has foil/plastic facing. 4x8 sheets, a few of those to cover your floor -- moisture barrier, insulation, and sorta soft. --R On 4/16/12 7:04 PM, Dave Cavner wrote: On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.cawrote: I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is warmer and humid. Randy Moisture definitely migrates upward through slabs. The floor covering industry has used this test to quantify the amount for decades: http://www.vaportest.com/Webpages/calcium_chloride_test.htm Current thinking is rigid insulation before the pour is the best method to eliminate the issue. The amount of insulation depends on your climate zone. Current best practices outlined here: http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-059-slab-happy/ Lots of good info on that site regarding moisture content in dwellings - and how to solve the problem. Overkill for most retrofits. My favorite annecdotal quote is an off-topic post from a woodpellet stove forum: http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/75919/P0/ ...Somebody on here was advising under-slab insulation even for an unheated garage, which sounded like a pretty good idea. Reply from a guy in SW Maine I have no heated slabs of the 5 on my property. I have styrofoam under 4-and-a-half of them. Guess where it's dark and damp in muggy or rainy weather. I can stack bags of grain on the slab in my rodent-proof room (insulated but not heated) and they never get mildewed against the floor. Whoever said it, I can agree with conviction based on experience. Dave SoCal ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
OK, a garage is incredibly flammable. Gas in a car is incredibly flammable. Gas in a can or lawnmower is incredibly flammable. All the crap we keep in our garages is incredibly flammable. As far as sinking, a 2x6 or bits of plywood... --R On 4/17/12 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: And, I think the car would sink in a bit. Randy On 16/04/2012 10:40 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: And incredibly flammable. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Original Message Subject:Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars Date:Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:31:19 -0400 From:Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To:Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Get some of that foam board at Lowes/HD, it is cheap, and has foil/plastic facing. 4x8 sheets, a few of those to cover your floor -- moisture barrier, insulation, and sorta soft. --R On 4/16/12 7:04 PM, Dave Cavner wrote: On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is warmer and humid. Randy Moisture definitely migrates upward through slabs. The floor covering industry has used this test to quantify the amount for decades: http://www.vaportest.com/Webpages/calcium_chloride_test.htm Current thinking is rigid insulation before the pour is the best method to eliminate the issue. The amount of insulation depends on your climate zone. Current best practices outlined here: http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-059-slab-happy/ Lots of good info on that site regarding moisture content in dwellings - and how to solve the problem. Overkill for most retrofits. My favorite annecdotal quote is an off-topic post from a wood pellet stove forum: http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/75919/P0/ ...Somebody on here was advising under-slab insulation even for an unheated garage, which sounded like a pretty good idea. Reply from a guy in SW Maine I have no heated slabs of the 5 on my property. I have styrofoam under 4-and-a-half of them. Guess where it's dark and damp in muggy or rainy weather. I can stack bags of grain on the slab in my rodent-proof room (insulated but not heated) and they never get mildewed against the floor. Whoever said it, I can agree with conviction based on experience. Dave SoCal ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes but according to my local fire dept, foam board insulation should under no circumstances be used in an exposed manner as a simple spark can ignite it causing it to go up in flames and emit a dark sooty cloud of smoke. I'm basing my statement on that alone. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK, a garage is incredibly flammable. Gas in a car is incredibly flammable. Gas in a can or lawnmower is incredibly flammable. All the crap we keep in our garages is incredibly flammable. As far as sinking, a 2x6 or bits of plywood... --R On 4/17/12 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: And, I think the car would sink in a bit. Randy On 16/04/2012 10:40 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: And incredibly flammable. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Original Message Subject:Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars Date:Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:31:19 -0400 From:Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To:Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Get some of that foam board at Lowes/HD, it is cheap, and has foil/plastic facing. 4x8 sheets, a few of those to cover your floor -- moisture barrier, insulation, and sorta soft. --R On 4/16/12 7:04 PM, Dave Cavner wrote: On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.cawrote: I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is warmer and humid. Randy Moisture definitely migrates upward through slabs. The floor covering industry has used this test to quantify the amount for decades: http://www.vaportest.com/Webpages/calcium_chloride_test.htm Current thinking is rigid insulation before the pour is the best method to eliminate the issue. The amount of insulation depends on your climate zone. Current best practices outlined here: http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-059-slab-happy/ Lots of good info on that site regarding moisture content in dwellings - and how to solve the problem. Overkill for most retrofits. My favorite annecdotal quote is an off-topic post from a woodpellet stove forum: http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/75919/P0/ ...Somebody on here was advising under-slab insulation even for an unheated garage, which sounded like a pretty good idea. Reply from a guy in SW Maine I have no heated slabs of the 5 on my property. I have styrofoam under 4-and-a-half of them. Guess where it's dark and damp in muggy or rainy weather. I can stack bags of grain on the slab in my rodent-proof room (insulated but not heated) and they never get mildewed against the floor. Whoever said it, I can agree with conviction based on experience. Dave SoCal ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Interesting. I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize any flaming. --R On 4/17/12 12:16 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Yes but according to my local fire dept, foam board insulation should under no circumstances be used in an exposed manner as a simple spark can ignite it causing it to go up in flames and emit a dark sooty cloud of smoke. I'm basing my statement on that alone. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK, a garage is incredibly flammable. Gas in a car is incredibly flammable. Gas in a can or lawnmower is incredibly flammable. All the crap we keep in our garages is incredibly flammable. As far as sinking, a 2x6 or bits of plywood... --R On 4/17/12 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: And, I think the car would sink in a bit. Randy On 16/04/2012 10:40 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: And incredibly flammable. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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most of the moisture in the central and eastern US is from condensation, not from wicking through concrete. wrap the car in a plastic bag with lots of dessicant/oxygen-eater inside. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am surprised to hear this, as I thought the blue foam boards you see in house insulation would be fire resistant. Or did I miss something? Dan On Apr 17, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Interesting. I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize any flaming. --R On 4/17/12 12:16 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Yes but according to my local fire dept, foam board insulation should under no circumstances be used in an exposed manner as a simple spark can ignite it causing it to go up in flames and emit a dark sooty cloud of smoke. I'm basing my statement on that alone. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK, a garage is incredibly flammable. Gas in a car is incredibly flammable. Gas in a can or lawnmower is incredibly flammable. All the crap we keep in our garages is incredibly flammable. As far as sinking, a 2x6 or bits of plywood... --R On 4/17/12 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: And, I think the car would sink in a bit. Randy On 16/04/2012 10:40 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: And incredibly flammable. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
Rich Thomas wrote: Interesting. I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize any flaming. Like the bonded foil facing mentioned by the person who originally made the foam sheet suggestion? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Last I knew the foam board would burn when hit with a flame but wouldn't sustain flame on its own. I also doubt it would ignite under a simple spark. I've seen lots of styrofoam burn and even when it does burn its not super easy to light. I've got some foam board, maybe I'll see if I can light it. -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Message-ID: 1334679386.72108.yext-apple-iph...@web125101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes but according to my local fire dept, foam board insulation should under no circumstances be used in an exposed manner as a simple spark can ignite it causing it to go up in flames and emit a dark sooty cloud of smoke. I'm basing my statement on that alone. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well that was me. One side has very thin foil, one side has very thin plastic. I could see the sheets could be quite flammable. I have some scraps, I should try it. --R On 4/17/12 3:05 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Interesting. I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize any flaming. Like the bonded foil facing mentioned by the person who originally made the foam sheet suggestion? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think they are very flammable vertically (I.e. In a wall), but not so much in a ceiling or horizontal. Rick Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 17, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I could see the sheets could be quite flammable. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The bonded foil should actually help make it fire resistant. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Well that was me. One side has very thin foil, one side has very thin plastic. I could see the sheets could be quite flammable. I have some scraps, I should try it. --R On 4/17/12 3:05 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Interesting. I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize any flaming. Like the bonded foil facing mentioned by the person who originally made the foam sheet suggestion? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: Last I knew the foam board would burn when hit with a flame but wouldn't sustain flame on its own. I also doubt it would ignite under a simple spark. I've seen lots of styrofoam burn and even when it does burn its not super easy to light. I've got some foam board, maybe I'll see if I can light it. If you cover the interior of a room with it, it's a lot different than trying to light it in open cold air. Doing just the floor would likely be somewhere in between. The urethane spray foam is a lot harder to burn than the polystyrene foam, but if you coat the entire interior of a potato storage barn with urethane, it will burn with incredible heat and speed, because the insulation keeps all the heat inside with the fire. http://www.monolithic.com/stories/foam-fire-hazard-and-fire-barrier Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, it's very highly likely that most of the moisture in the garage is brought in via ambient air intrusion. Vent, heat or enclose object of interest in dry, moisture vapor-proof cocoon. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy most of the moisture in the central and eastern US is from condensation, not from wicking through concrete. wrap the car in a plastic bag with lots of dessicant/oxygen-eater inside. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Outside. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Last I knew the foam board would burn when hit with a flame but wouldn't sustain flame on its own. I also doubt it would ignite under a simple spark. I've seen lots of styrofoam burn and even when it does burn its not super easy to light. I've got some foam board, maybe I'll see if I can light it. -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Message-ID: 1334679386.72108.yext-apple-iph...@web125101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes but according to my local fire dept, foam board insulation should under no circumstances be used in an exposed manner as a simple spark can ignite it causing it to go up in flames and emit a dark sooty cloud of smoke. I'm basing my statement on that alone. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Cover the existing floor with the foam boards, then pour two inches of concrete over that . . . On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Well that was me. One side has very thin foil, one side has very thin plastic. I could see the sheets could be quite flammable. I have some scraps, I should try it. --R On 4/17/12 3:05 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Interesting. I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize any flaming. Like the bonded foil facing mentioned by the person who originally made the foam sheet suggestion? Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:26:51 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Cover the existing floor with the foam boards, then pour two inches of concrete over that . . . Unless you reinforce the 2 of concrete quite well, I would expect cracking when you drive a car over it and the foam boards compress Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Original Message Subject:Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:31:19 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Get some of that foam board at Lowes/HD, it is cheap, and has foil/plastic facing. 4x8 sheets, a few of those to cover your floor -- moisture barrier, insulation, and sorta soft. --R On 4/16/12 7:04 PM, Dave Cavner wrote: On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is warmer and humid. Randy Moisture definitely migrates upward through slabs. The floor covering industry has used this test to quantify the amount for decades: http://www.vaportest.com/Webpages/calcium_chloride_test.htm Current thinking is rigid insulation before the pour is the best method to eliminate the issue. The amount of insulation depends on your climate zone. Current best practices outlined here: http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-059-slab-happy/ Lots of good info on that site regarding moisture content in dwellings - and how to solve the problem. Overkill for most retrofits. My favorite annecdotal quote is an off-topic post from a wood pellet stove forum: http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/75919/P0/ ...Somebody on here was advising under-slab insulation even for an unheated garage, which sounded like a pretty good idea. Reply from a guy in SW Maine I have no heated slabs of the 5 on my property. I have styrofoam under 4-and-a-half of them. Guess where it's dark and damp in muggy or rainy weather. I can stack bags of grain on the slab in my rodent-proof room (insulated but not heated) and they never get mildewed against the floor. Whoever said it, I can agree with conviction based on experience. Dave SoCal ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And incredibly flammable. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Original Message Subject:Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars Date:Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:31:19 -0400 From:Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To:Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Get some of that foam board at Lowes/HD, it is cheap, and has foil/plastic facing. 4x8 sheets, a few of those to cover your floor -- moisture barrier, insulation, and sorta soft. --R On 4/16/12 7:04 PM, Dave Cavner wrote: On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is warmer and humid. Randy Moisture definitely migrates upward through slabs. The floor covering industry has used this test to quantify the amount for decades: http://www.vaportest.com/Webpages/calcium_chloride_test.htm Current thinking is rigid insulation before the pour is the best method to eliminate the issue. The amount of insulation depends on your climate zone. Current best practices outlined here: http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-059-slab-happy/ Lots of good info on that site regarding moisture content in dwellings - and how to solve the problem. Overkill for most retrofits. My favorite annecdotal quote is an off-topic post from a wood pellet stove forum: http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/75919/P0/ ...Somebody on here was advising under-slab insulation even for an unheated garage, which sounded like a pretty good idea. Reply from a guy in SW Maine I have no heated slabs of the 5 on my property. I have styrofoam under 4-and-a-half of them. Guess where it's dark and damp in muggy or rainy weather. I can stack bags of grain on the slab in my rodent-proof room (insulated but not heated) and they never get mildewed against the floor. Whoever said it, I can agree with conviction based on experience. Dave SoCal ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
