[MBZ] GM cars
Kaleb wrote: geez, you sure are a GM lover, whats to like about those cars? I do like GM cars as well as fords and Mercedes, etc. I just really like cars. I do have a special appreciation for GM cars. I am sure it is because I know how to work on them. I know the engine codes and which ones leak oil from the old distributor shaft seal, and which one is easy to replace the water pump and which one is a bear, I know which one you have to roll the engine forward in the mount in order to change the rear plugs, I know which 3800 will need an intake gasket. I know exactly what is sounds like when a water pump is going bad. See, I know all this weird stuff about GM cars, the way you all know stuff about Mercedes. I am learning about Mercedes, but I doubt I will ever know as much as I do about GM cars. It doesn't mean that I don't love Mercedes, I do. I am married to my wife, but not to my choice in cars. If I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
I've owned Fords, GMs, Chryslers and Mercedes over the years and I feel exactly the same. There is nothing wrong with any well build American car and they are easy relatively inexpensive to maintain. The issue with most older cars (Mercedes as well as American) on the road is lack of maintenance. Everyone wants to drive their cars till they stop then they suffer from sticker shock when the mechanic hands over a $600.00 bill. I used to work on other peoples cars on the weekends stopped because I got tired of the this cost what??? reactions. What sets Mercedes apart is superior Engineering, but that same superior Engineering comes at a price (cars parts). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] GM cars Kaleb wrote: geez, you sure are a GM lover, whats to like about those cars? I do like GM cars as well as fords and Mercedes, etc. I just really like cars. I do have a special appreciation for GM cars. I am sure it is because I know how to work on them. I know the engine codes and which ones leak oil from the old distributor shaft seal, and which one is easy to replace the water pump and which one is a bear, I know which one you have to roll the engine forward in the mount in order to change the rear plugs, I know which 3800 will need an intake gasket. I know exactly what is sounds like when a water pump is going bad. See, I know all this weird stuff about GM cars, the way you all know stuff about Mercedes. I am learning about Mercedes, but I doubt I will ever know as much as I do about GM cars. It doesn't mean that I don't love Mercedes, I do. I am married to my wife, but not to my choice in cars. If I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
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Re: [MBZ] GM cars
I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. I do, sort of. About a dozen that could be driven, though most not right away. Anathema to my wife, however. Not real fond of GM in general, but we have a couple. I guess we've got Ford, GM, Chrysler, and MB represented. Nothing Japanese, however. No front-wheel drive. No SUV of any sort. I guess we're weird. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've owned Fords, GMs, Chryslers and Mercedes over the years and I feel exactly the same. There is nothing wrong with any well build American car and they are easy relatively inexpensive to maintain. For years, and for no good reason, I did not like Fords. However since I've owned a couple, I think they are generally good cars. I do quite like our Focus, the Zetec has proved to be a good engine, and though the car is a bit tinny feeling it is reliable (so far). Also the Zetec is non-interference design which I really like for an engine with a timing belt. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
I have one of each too. As a package, I prefer the mercedes, but then again, it cost a lot more than the others too. As far as mechanical reliability, I think they're all pretty much the same, if anything, maybe the GMs are better. The mercedes rides nicer, but then again, it has a multi link rear end, and not a live axle. That's also reflected in the cost when buying new. I think all cars have their weak spots, and it's just a matter of what you're will to live with. For the most part, if well serviced, I find most cars will go hundreds of thousand of kms or miles without much trouble. Ed 300E On 15/02/2008, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. I do, sort of. About a dozen that could be driven, though most not right away. Anathema to my wife, however. Not real fond of GM in general, but we have a couple. I guess we've got Ford, GM, Chrysler, and MB represented. Nothing Japanese, however. No front-wheel drive. No SUV of any sort. I guess we're weird. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
That's part of the superior Engineering comment I made earlier. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars mercedes is the only car that i know of that you can buy a neglected beater anywhere and probably make it back home in it. when i bought my first mercedes, i thought it was a real plus that the interior had been redone and definitively explained to the owner that he was incorrect to think that a 25 year old vinyl interior could have been original. a guy i know got rid of his 160k mile 15 year old buick le sabre because he was told by his mechanic that it was completely worn out. way back in teh day, this would have made sense to me. after a decade of mercedes ownership, my first natural reaction is what? cars don't wear out. i drive w123 mercedes. they are the best at nothing and not even excellent in any category of performance. they handle ok, but surely not well. they ride pretty well, but not great. they are relatively spartan by modern standards. but they last forever here in the south, parts are cheap and plentiful and they are simple to maintain and repair. my only real regret about them is fuel economy and that is only because of the huge increase in the price of fuel. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've owned Fords, GMs, Chryslers and Mercedes over the years and I feel exactly the same. There is nothing wrong with any well build American car and they are easy relatively inexpensive to maintain. The issue with most older cars (Mercedes as well as American) on the road is lack of maintenance. Everyone wants to drive their cars till they stop then they suffer from sticker shock when the mechanic hands over a $600.00 bill. I used to work on other peoples cars on the weekends stopped because I got tired of the this cost what??? reactions. What sets Mercedes apart is superior Engineering, but that same superior Engineering comes at a price (cars parts). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] GM cars Kaleb wrote: geez, you sure are a GM lover, whats to like about those cars? I do like GM cars as well as fords and Mercedes, etc. I just really like cars. I do have a special appreciation for GM cars. I am sure it is because I know how to work on them. I know the engine codes and which ones leak oil from the old distributor shaft seal, and which one is easy to replace the water pump and which one is a bear, I know which one you have to roll the engine forward in the mount in order to change the rear plugs, I know which 3800 will need an intake gasket. I know exactly what is sounds like when a water pump is going bad. See, I know all this weird stuff about GM cars, the way you all know stuff about Mercedes. I am learning about Mercedes, but I doubt I will ever know as much as I do about GM cars. It doesn't mean that I don't love Mercedes, I do. I am married to my wife, but not to my choice in cars. If I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I changed a timing belt on a non-interference engine last Fall. I too appreciate your fondness for them. :-) Ed 300E On 15/02/2008, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've owned Fords, GMs, Chryslers and Mercedes over the years and I feel exactly the same. There is nothing wrong with any well build American car and they are easy relatively inexpensive to maintain. For years, and for no good reason, I did not like Fords. However since I've owned a couple, I think they are generally good cars. I do quite like our Focus, the Zetec has proved to be a good engine, and though the car is a bit tinny feeling it is reliable (so far). Also the Zetec is non-interference design which I really like for an engine with a timing belt. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
mercedes is the only car that i know of that you can buy a neglected beater anywhere and probably make it back home in it. when i bought my first mercedes, i thought it was a real plus that the interior had been redone and definitively explained to the owner that he was incorrect to think that a 25 year old vinyl interior could have been original. a guy i know got rid of his 160k mile 15 year old buick le sabre because he was told by his mechanic that it was completely worn out. way back in teh day, this would have made sense to me. after a decade of mercedes ownership, my first natural reaction is what? cars don't wear out. i drive w123 mercedes. they are the best at nothing and not even excellent in any category of performance. they handle ok, but surely not well. they ride pretty well, but not great. they are relatively spartan by modern standards. but they last forever here in the south, parts are cheap and plentiful and they are simple to maintain and repair. my only real regret about them is fuel economy and that is only because of the huge increase in the price of fuel. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've owned Fords, GMs, Chryslers and Mercedes over the years and I feel exactly the same. There is nothing wrong with any well build American car and they are easy relatively inexpensive to maintain. The issue with most older cars (Mercedes as well as American) on the road is lack of maintenance. Everyone wants to drive their cars till they stop then they suffer from sticker shock when the mechanic hands over a $600.00 bill. I used to work on other peoples cars on the weekends stopped because I got tired of the this cost what??? reactions. What sets Mercedes apart is superior Engineering, but that same superior Engineering comes at a price (cars parts). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] GM cars Kaleb wrote: geez, you sure are a GM lover, whats to like about those cars? I do like GM cars as well as fords and Mercedes, etc. I just really like cars. I do have a special appreciation for GM cars. I am sure it is because I know how to work on them. I know the engine codes and which ones leak oil from the old distributor shaft seal, and which one is easy to replace the water pump and which one is a bear, I know which one you have to roll the engine forward in the mount in order to change the rear plugs, I know which 3800 will need an intake gasket. I know exactly what is sounds like when a water pump is going bad. See, I know all this weird stuff about GM cars, the way you all know stuff about Mercedes. I am learning about Mercedes, but I doubt I will ever know as much as I do about GM cars. It doesn't mean that I don't love Mercedes, I do. I am married to my wife, but not to my choice in cars. If I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
So, my classic 1977 Corvette sucks? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:58 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars GM sucks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Somebody who uses the email Zeitgeist wrote: GM sucks I can't remember who uses this email address. But, to address your email, I think it depends on which cars you are talking about to say they sucks. ALL American cars have improved dramatically with reliability, fit and finish, resale, etc. Now, I will admit there were some pretty bad GM cars in the 70's and 80's. But, in my experience with GM cars (as an owner of at least 20 GM cars and as a service manager at an Oldsmobile/Honda dealership), I would say GM cars have no more problems than about any other cars. My MOST TROUBLE FREE and reliable cars have been two oldsmobiles and two Mercedes. The Oldsmobiles were cheaper to own, maintain, service, repair, and insure. But, the Mercedes were very close. If your comment refers to your own personal tastes, then I think many people will agree with you. Some of the GM cars are very boring and lack much style. My wife felt that way about our former Olds. She drove a 1999 Olds Intrigue. We bought it at the dealership I worked at and got a great deal. She drove it for 4 years and 60,000 miles. I did NOTHING on it except oil changes. I had the alternator replaced while it was still under warranty - not because it was bad, but it was a pretty difficult job and I knew it would need to replaced soon. I sold it to my in laws, who did very little to it either other than replace the tires and pay for a transmission flush. They had it until it had 120,000 miles and the only thing other than front brakes they had to do was to replace the driver's side window switch - about $50. I can tell you about literally DOZENS of my customers at the dealership who had 200,000, 300,000 or 400,000 miles on their cars. I have only had two cars (out of 30-35) cross over 350,000 miles. One was a 1982 Mercedes 300D, and the other was a 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88. I would have kept driving them both, but I sold the Mercedes for more than I paid for it, and I sold the Oldsmobile, so I could get another delta 88 that was newer and nicer with the 3800. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes... On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, my classic 1977 Corvette sucks? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
The D-Jtronics FI system used in early 70s were hardly what I'd call
great Engineering. Same goes for Mercedes refusing to move
Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924
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Clearly my opinion is entirely subjective, but I've had a lifelong
enmity
towards their commitment to perennial mediocrity. Facts and figures
aren't
gonna change that opinion--I'm too far gone. I also grew up during the
'70's and '80's, an era that produced some of their worst crap
ever...not
that the other two were much better. I just hate Merkin cars, in
general.
Only owned one ('93 Dodge Cummins--body integrity issues galore) and
have
never owned an Asian vehicle--probably never will.
Old dawg--new tricks blah blah blah
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody who uses the email Zeitgeist wrote:
GM sucks
I can't remember who uses this email address. But, to address your
email,
I think it depends on which cars you are talking about to say they
sucks.
ALL American cars have improved dramatically with reliability, fit
and
finish, resale, etc. Now, I will admit there were some pretty bad GM
cars
in the 70's and 80's. But, in my experience with GM cars (as an owner
of at
least 20 GM cars and as a service manager at an Oldsmobile/Honda
dealership), I would say GM cars have no more problems than about any
other
cars. My MOST TROUBLE FREE and reliable cars have been two
oldsmobiles and
two Mercedes. The Oldsmobiles were cheaper to own, maintain, service,
repair, and insure. But, the Mercedes were very close.
If your comment refers to your own personal tastes, then I think many
people will agree with you. Some of the GM cars are very boring and
lack
much style. My wife felt that way about our former Olds. She drove a
1999
Olds Intrigue. We bought it at the dealership I worked at and got a
great
deal. She drove it for 4 years and 60,000 miles. I did NOTHING on it
except oil changes. I had the alternator replaced while it was still
under
warranty - not because it was bad, but it was a pretty difficult job
and I
knew it would need to replaced soon. I sold it to my in laws, who did
very
little to it either other than replace the tires and pay for a
transmission
flush. They had it until it had 120,000 miles and the only thing other
than
front brakes they had to do was to replace the driver's side window
switch -
about $50. I can tell you about literally DOZENS of my customers at
the
dealership who had 200,000, 300,000 or 400,000 miles on their cars.
I have only had two cars (out of 30-35) cross over 350,000 miles. One
was
a 1982 Mercedes 300D, and the other was a 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88. I
would
have kept driving them both, but I sold the Mercedes for more than I
paid
for it, and I sold the Oldsmobile, so I could get another delta 88
that was
newer and nicer with the 3800.
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[MBZ] GM cars
There was a short segment on NPR the other day about a fellow out west somewhere who was turning the millionth mile (Note: They had the communications set up in his truck as he was traveling) on his Chevy Silverado. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Clearly my opinion is entirely subjective, but I've had a lifelong enmity
towards their commitment to perennial mediocrity. Facts and figures aren't
gonna change that opinion--I'm too far gone. I also grew up during the
'70's and '80's, an era that produced some of their worst crap ever...not
that the other two were much better. I just hate Merkin cars, in general.
Only owned one ('93 Dodge Cummins--body integrity issues galore) and have
never owned an Asian vehicle--probably never will.
Old dawg--new tricks blah blah blah
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody who uses the email Zeitgeist wrote:
GM sucks
I can't remember who uses this email address. But, to address your email,
I think it depends on which cars you are talking about to say they sucks.
ALL American cars have improved dramatically with reliability, fit and
finish, resale, etc. Now, I will admit there were some pretty bad GM cars
in the 70's and 80's. But, in my experience with GM cars (as an owner of at
least 20 GM cars and as a service manager at an Oldsmobile/Honda
dealership), I would say GM cars have no more problems than about any other
cars. My MOST TROUBLE FREE and reliable cars have been two oldsmobiles and
two Mercedes. The Oldsmobiles were cheaper to own, maintain, service,
repair, and insure. But, the Mercedes were very close.
If your comment refers to your own personal tastes, then I think many
people will agree with you. Some of the GM cars are very boring and lack
much style. My wife felt that way about our former Olds. She drove a 1999
Olds Intrigue. We bought it at the dealership I worked at and got a great
deal. She drove it for 4 years and 60,000 miles. I did NOTHING on it
except oil changes. I had the alternator replaced while it was still under
warranty - not because it was bad, but it was a pretty difficult job and I
knew it would need to replaced soon. I sold it to my in laws, who did very
little to it either other than replace the tires and pay for a transmission
flush. They had it until it had 120,000 miles and the only thing other than
front brakes they had to do was to replace the driver's side window switch -
about $50. I can tell you about literally DOZENS of my customers at the
dealership who had 200,000, 300,000 or 400,000 miles on their cars.
I have only had two cars (out of 30-35) cross over 350,000 miles. One was
a 1982 Mercedes 300D, and the other was a 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88. I would
have kept driving them both, but I sold the Mercedes for more than I paid
for it, and I sold the Oldsmobile, so I could get another delta 88 that was
newer and nicer with the 3800.
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I'd love to hear more about your car Andrew. Ed 300E On 15/02/2008, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 280SE 3.5 W111 coupe (manufactured 9/69) has its original engine and transmission as well as the original EFI computer that has required zero maintenance in nearly 40 years of on and off driving. If this isn't great engineering then what is? On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The D-Jtronics FI system used in early 70s were hardly what I'd call great Engineering. Same goes for Mercedes refusing to move Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/15/08 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My 280SE 3.5 W111 coupe (manufactured 9/69) has its original engine and
transmission as well as the original EFI computer that has required zero
maintenance in nearly 40 years of on and off driving. If this isn't great
engineering then what is?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The D-Jtronics FI system used in early 70s were hardly what I'd call
great Engineering. Same goes for Mercedes refusing to move
Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924
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Sent: 2/15/08 10:44 AM
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Clearly my opinion is entirely subjective, but I've had a lifelong
enmity
towards their commitment to perennial mediocrity. Facts and figures
aren't
gonna change that opinion--I'm too far gone. I also grew up during the
'70's and '80's, an era that produced some of their worst crap
ever...not
that the other two were much better. I just hate Merkin cars, in
general.
Only owned one ('93 Dodge Cummins--body integrity issues galore) and
have
never owned an Asian vehicle--probably never will.
Old dawg--new tricks blah blah blah
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody who uses the email Zeitgeist wrote:
GM sucks
I can't remember who uses this email address. But, to address your
email,
I think it depends on which cars you are talking about to say they
sucks.
ALL American cars have improved dramatically with reliability, fit
and
finish, resale, etc. Now, I will admit there were some pretty bad GM
cars
in the 70's and 80's. But, in my experience with GM cars (as an owner
of at
least 20 GM cars and as a service manager at an Oldsmobile/Honda
dealership), I would say GM cars have no more problems than about any
other
cars. My MOST TROUBLE FREE and reliable cars have been two
oldsmobiles and
two Mercedes. The Oldsmobiles were cheaper to own, maintain, service,
repair, and insure. But, the Mercedes were very close.
If your comment refers to your own personal tastes, then I think many
people will agree with you. Some of the GM cars are very boring and
lack
much style. My wife felt that way about our former Olds. She drove a
1999
Olds Intrigue. We bought it at the dealership I worked at and got a
great
deal. She drove it for 4 years and 60,000 miles. I did NOTHING on it
except oil changes. I had the alternator replaced while it was still
under
warranty - not because it was bad, but it was a pretty difficult job
and I
knew it would need to replaced soon. I sold it to my in laws, who did
very
little to it either other than replace the tires and pay for a
transmission
flush. They had it until it had 120,000 miles and the only thing other
than
front brakes they had to do was to replace the driver's side window
switch -
about $50. I can tell you about literally DOZENS of my customers at
the
dealership who had 200,000, 300,000 or 400,000 miles on their cars.
I have only had two cars (out of 30-35) cross over 350,000 miles. One
was
a 1982 Mercedes 300D, and the other was a 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88. I
would
have kept driving them both, but I sold the Mercedes for more than I
paid
for it, and I sold the Oldsmobile, so I could get another delta 88
that was
newer and nicer with the 3800.
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Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Clearly, you never had any vacuum leaks or reduced compression to throw off your fuel metering. D-jet sucks to diagnose. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 280SE 3.5 W111 coupe (manufactured 9/69) has its original engine and transmission as well as the original EFI computer that has required zero maintenance in nearly 40 years of on and off driving. If this isn't great engineering then what is? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Ugh, yeah... American cars from the '70s are hideous... The early 'vettes even into the '60s were works of art. When the hood became more than half the length they became an expression of American largess and serve only to horrify me. Might as well be some fruitcake in a 10 gallon hat eating bacon double cheese burgers out of double styrofoam packages and throwing the trash out the window while you crack open another can of tasteless budwiser... American trucks of the '70s, thats a different story, especially from GM. -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:16:32 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So, my classic 1977 Corvette sucks? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:58 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars GM sucks - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars AND Fords
There are Fords and then there are Fords. Some are much better than others. I have had more Fords than anything else and generally preferred them. However, we had one that almost made us give up on them. A 97 Mercury Sable was nothing but trouble. Little electrical issues mostly. Since then we have acquired 2 F150's and they have not had any real electrical issues. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM cars Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've owned Fords, GMs, Chryslers and Mercedes over the years and I feel exactly the same. There is nothing wrong with any well build American car and they are easy relatively inexpensive to maintain. For years, and for no good reason, I did not like Fords. However since I've owned a couple, I think they are generally good cars. I do quite like our Focus, the Zetec has proved to be a good engine, and though the car is a bit tinny feeling it is reliable (so far). Also the Zetec is non-interference design which I really like for an engine with a timing belt. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I just love the silver-painted interiors found on some Firechickens and Vettes--classy! On Feb 15, 2008 2:32 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I was under the impression that even 'Vette enthusiasts saw the late-'70s early-'80s C3 cars as an embarrassment. Kind of like the post-muscle-car-era Firebirds with the big bird on the hood---emissions and fuel economy considerations made them all show and no go. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Early 70s 'Vettes, particularly the 74, were crap. I had a client who had a 74 that was the biggest POS car I ever worked on or drove. Dan --- Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ugh, yeah... American cars from the '70s are hideous... The early 'vettes even into the '60s were works of art. When the hood became more than half the length they became an expression of American largess and serve only to horrify me. Yeah, I was under the impression that even 'Vette enthusiasts saw the late-'70s early-'80s C3 cars as an embarrassment. Kind of like the post-muscle-car-era Firebirds with the big bird on the hood---emissions and fuel economy considerations made them all show and no go. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Take a look on YouTube for Jeremy Clarkson's post mortem of the British auto
industry.
Its great, he interviews people from that time period, some of their comments
are fantastic.
-Curt
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:43:02 -0800
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Clearly my opinion is entirely subjective, but I've had a lifelong
enmity
towards their commitment to perennial mediocrity. Facts and figures
aren't
gonna change that opinion--I'm too far gone. I also grew up during the
'70's and '80's, an era that produced some of their worst crap
ever...not
that the other two were much better. I just hate Merkin cars, in
general.
Only owned one ('93 Dodge Cummins--body integrity issues galore) and
have
never owned an Asian vehicle--probably never will.
Old dawg--new tricks blah blah blah
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Re: [MBZ] GM cars
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ugh, yeah... American cars from the '70s are hideous... The early 'vettes even into the '60s were works of art. When the hood became more than half the length they became an expression of American largess and serve only to horrify me. Yeah, I was under the impression that even 'Vette enthusiasts saw the late-'70s early-'80s C3 cars as an embarrassment. Kind of like the post-muscle-car-era Firebirds with the big bird on the hood---emissions and fuel economy considerations made them all show and no go. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I used to like the 86-90 or whatever sunbirds with teh 1.8 or 2.0. They were good for delivering papers. Donald Snook wrote: Kaleb wrote: geez, you sure are a GM lover, whats to like about those cars? I do like GM cars as well as fords and Mercedes, etc. I just really like cars. I do have a special appreciation for GM cars. I am sure it is because I know how to work on them. I know the engine codes and which ones leak oil from the old distributor shaft seal, and which one is easy to replace the water pump and which one is a bear, I know which one you have to roll the engine forward in the mount in order to change the rear plugs, I know which 3800 will need an intake gasket. I know exactly what is sounds like when a water pump is going bad. See, I know all this weird stuff about GM cars, the way you all know stuff about Mercedes. I am learning about Mercedes, but I doubt I will ever know as much as I do about GM cars. It doesn't mean that I don't love Mercedes, I do. I am married to my wife, but not to my choice in cars. If I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
I still have one kicking around. Cheaper to own and run than taking the bus. AND, it still wears it's original exhaust system!! Amazing when you think of the mileage and road salt the car has been exposed to. Ed 300E On 15/02/2008, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I used to like the 86-90 or whatever sunbirds with teh 1.8 or 2.0. They were good for delivering papers. Mom had a '85 or '86 4-door with a 5sp. Nice little car. Not fast, but fun to drive and capable of 40mpg. Best shifter of any GM car I ever drove, light effort and never a missed shift. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I used to like the 86-90 or whatever sunbirds with teh 1.8 or 2.0. They were good for delivering papers. Mom had a '85 or '86 4-door with a 5sp. Nice little car. Not fast, but fun to drive and capable of 40mpg. Best shifter of any GM car I ever drove, light effort and never a missed shift. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM cars
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 07:56:49AM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car. I do, sort of. About a dozen that could be driven, though most not right away. Anathema to my wife, however. Not real fond of GM in general, but we have a couple. I guess we've got Ford, GM, Chrysler, and MB represented. Nothing Japanese, however. No front-wheel drive. No SUV of any sort. I guess we're weird. Yeah, same here, except I have one front drive car, one japanese truck, and ... a bunch of SUVs. Have all three of the big three represented, two of the not so big three, as well as mercedes, vw, and toyota. Truth be told, I can find something to complain about with each of them. Nothing is perfect, and once you're used to something's quirks and know where to find parts for it, you can generally keep it going okay, except perhaps some lucas wired or italian vehicles. Some days, everything drives me nuts and I want to get rid of them all and have a horse and a bicycle. I'm not really a fan of asian cars myself, but cut the toyota slack because I have a soft spot for old landcruisers. This one even has a factory diesel with five speed. The vw is front drive, which I don't prefer either, but it's still fun in its own right. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
