Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
Wht you read all that? Hendrik who has a couple of garbage disposal units on legs WILTON wrote: Agreed. Wilton - Original Message - From: Barry Stark barryst...@verizon.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned Jerry - I don't know about NYC laws but I did manage apartments for 18 years in So. California and during that time, believe me, I fixed a lot of clogged drains due to GD clogs. GD manufactures will tell you how wonderful their machines are and that they can grind most anything. Well they may be great but that doesn't mean the waste line can handle the resultant debris. Here is the real scoop from both many plumbers and the school of hard knocks. When washing dishes pour as much grease or oils as possible into a can or jar, let it cool and solidify and dispose. Scrape as much food waste from plates etc. as possible with your fingers or a spatula and put that in the garbage. Any material left on the dish can go down the GD as you rinse it off. That is what GD's were really meant to do. They weren't meant to be food processors or leaf mulchers. As they grind they must have the cold water running, never the hot, and after they finish grinding run the cold water in copious amounts to help flush the debris for at least the count of 10. I would even count to ten for them as I was explaining the rules. These simple rules will alleviate almost all GD caused waste line plugs. These were my house rules that renters had to sign up to at the commencement of tenancy. If the renter broke those rules and the debris in the drain bore evidence of that, then they paid the bill to unclog the drain. Put it in your house rules as an addendum and serve it as a legal notice. When they know that they are responsible for paying the bill, it is amazing how the problems diminish. If someone insists in not following these rules, and you are foolish enough to let them do their own thing, then at least follow these two basic rules. Never ever put any fibrous vegetable down any GD. Examples: celery stalks. artichokes, asparagus, etc. If they want to put hot grease or oil down the drain they must have the cold water running never the hot and again after they finish grinding run the cold water in copious amounts to help flush the debris for at least the count of 10. One other thing that can save lots of bathtub clogs, or kitchen sink if they wash their hair in the sink, is to buy them drain covers with small holes to catch the hair. This is especially true with folks with long hair and sorry if I sound racist or cruel, but especially folks that have long coarse black hair or if they are the in the later stages of chemotherapy when the hair comes out in large quantities. Follow all these rules and you will thank me. Barry -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes- boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Herrman Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
Jerry - I don't know about NYC laws but I did manage apartments for 18 years in So. California and during that time, believe me, I fixed a lot of clogged drains due to GD clogs. GD manufactures will tell you how wonderful their machines are and that they can grind most anything. Well they may be great but that doesn't mean the waste line can handle the resultant debris. Here is the real scoop from both many plumbers and the school of hard knocks. When washing dishes pour as much grease or oils as possible into a can or jar, let it cool and solidify and dispose. Scrape as much food waste from plates etc. as possible with your fingers or a spatula and put that in the garbage. Any material left on the dish can go down the GD as you rinse it off. That is what GD's were really meant to do. They weren't meant to be food processors or leaf mulchers. As they grind they must have the cold water running, never the hot, and after they finish grinding run the cold water in copious amounts to help flush the debris for at least the count of 10. I would even count to ten for them as I was explaining the rules. These simple rules will alleviate almost all GD caused waste line plugs. These were my house rules that renters had to sign up to at the commencement of tenancy. If the renter broke those rules and the debris in the drain bore evidence of that, then they paid the bill to unclog the drain. Put it in your house rules as an addendum and serve it as a legal notice. When they know that they are responsible for paying the bill, it is amazing how the problems diminish. If someone insists in not following these rules, and you are foolish enough to let them do their own thing, then at least follow these two basic rules. Never ever put any fibrous vegetable down any GD. Examples: celery stalks. artichokes, asparagus, etc. If they want to put hot grease or oil down the drain they must have the cold water running never the hot and again after they finish grinding run the cold water in copious amounts to help flush the debris for at least the count of 10. One other thing that can save lots of bathtub clogs, or kitchen sink if they wash their hair in the sink, is to buy them drain covers with small holes to catch the hair. This is especially true with folks with long hair and sorry if I sound racist or cruel, but especially folks that have long coarse black hair or if they are the in the later stages of chemotherapy when the hair comes out in large quantities. Follow all these rules and you will thank me. Barry -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes- boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Herrman Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Locally (central NC), the discussion centered around water use. When we were in a drought GDs were one of the first things recommended to be taken out, and muni codes were going to reflect a ban for future construction, education for citizenry, voluntary ban followed by official ban, etc. We then got out of the drought and have had full reservoirs for a couple years, so I don't know if any codes were actually changed. In any case, for us it was completely water usage that led to the discussion starting. When I was renting, GD was not a go/no-go factor, and I wouldn't have considered it if there were any other differences in the property (including location, size, lot size, ... :). In your shoes I would leave it for the current residents but consider removing it for the future, unless there is a lot of completely identical rental property around. Best, -Tim who put a regular trash can in the Ford so his wife would stop disposing of garbage in the floorboards ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
SWMBO treats my car like a trash can too. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Locally (central NC), the discussion centered around water use. When we were in a drought GDs were one of the first things recommended to be taken out, and muni codes were going to reflect a ban for future construction, education for citizenry, voluntary ban followed by official ban, etc. We then got out of the drought and have had full reservoirs for a couple years, so I don't know if any codes were actually changed. In any case, for us it was completely water usage that led to the discussion starting. When I was renting, GD was not a go/no-go factor, and I wouldn't have considered it if there were any other differences in the property (including location, size, lot size, ... :). In your shoes I would leave it for the current residents but consider removing it for the future, unless there is a lot of completely identical rental property around. Best, -Tim who put a regular trash can in the Ford so his wife would stop disposing of garbage in the floorboards ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
Agreed. Wilton - Original Message - From: Barry Stark barryst...@verizon.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned Jerry - I don't know about NYC laws but I did manage apartments for 18 years in So. California and during that time, believe me, I fixed a lot of clogged drains due to GD clogs. GD manufactures will tell you how wonderful their machines are and that they can grind most anything. Well they may be great but that doesn't mean the waste line can handle the resultant debris. Here is the real scoop from both many plumbers and the school of hard knocks. When washing dishes pour as much grease or oils as possible into a can or jar, let it cool and solidify and dispose. Scrape as much food waste from plates etc. as possible with your fingers or a spatula and put that in the garbage. Any material left on the dish can go down the GD as you rinse it off. That is what GD's were really meant to do. They weren't meant to be food processors or leaf mulchers. As they grind they must have the cold water running, never the hot, and after they finish grinding run the cold water in copious amounts to help flush the debris for at least the count of 10. I would even count to ten for them as I was explaining the rules. These simple rules will alleviate almost all GD caused waste line plugs. These were my house rules that renters had to sign up to at the commencement of tenancy. If the renter broke those rules and the debris in the drain bore evidence of that, then they paid the bill to unclog the drain. Put it in your house rules as an addendum and serve it as a legal notice. When they know that they are responsible for paying the bill, it is amazing how the problems diminish. If someone insists in not following these rules, and you are foolish enough to let them do their own thing, then at least follow these two basic rules. Never ever put any fibrous vegetable down any GD. Examples: celery stalks. artichokes, asparagus, etc. If they want to put hot grease or oil down the drain they must have the cold water running never the hot and again after they finish grinding run the cold water in copious amounts to help flush the debris for at least the count of 10. One other thing that can save lots of bathtub clogs, or kitchen sink if they wash their hair in the sink, is to buy them drain covers with small holes to catch the hair. This is especially true with folks with long hair and sorry if I sound racist or cruel, but especially folks that have long coarse black hair or if they are the in the later stages of chemotherapy when the hair comes out in large quantities. Follow all these rules and you will thank me. Barry -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes- boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Herrman Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
I compost. Problem solved. Don't have a garden? Make friends with someone who does, and barter a swap of compostables for veg. Lee WILTON wrote: Agreed. Wilton - Original Message - From: Barry Stark barryst...@verizon.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned Jerry - I don't know about NYC laws but I did manage apartments for 18 years in So. California and during that time, believe me, I fixed a lot of clogged drains due to GD clogs. GD manufactures will tell you how wonderful their machines are and that they can grind most anything. Well they may be great but that doesn't mean the waste line can handle the resultant debris. Here is the real scoop from both many plumbers and the school of hard knocks. When washing dishes pour as much grease or oils as possible into a can or jar, let it cool and solidify and dispose. Scrape as much food waste from plates etc. as possible with your fingers or a spatula and put that in the garbage. Any material left on the dish can go down the GD as you rinse it off. That is what GD's were really meant to do. They weren't meant to be food processors or leaf mulchers. As they grind they must have the cold water running, never the hot, and after they finish grinding run the cold water in copious amounts to help flush the debris for at least the count of 10. I would even count to ten for them as I was explaining the rules. These simple rules will alleviate almost all GD caused waste line plugs. These were my house rules that renters had to sign up to at the commencement of tenancy. If the renter broke those rules and the debris in the drain bore evidence of that, then they paid the bill to unclog the drain. Put it in your house rules as an addendum and serve it as a legal notice. When they know that they are responsible for paying the bill, it is amazing how the problems diminish. If someone insists in not following these rules, and you are foolish enough to let them do their own thing, then at least follow these two basic rules. Never ever put any fibrous vegetable down any GD. Examples: celery stalks. artichokes, asparagus, etc. If they want to put hot grease or oil down the drain they must have the cold water running never the hot and again after they finish grinding run the cold water in copious amounts to help flush the debris for at least the count of 10. One other thing that can save lots of bathtub clogs, or kitchen sink if they wash their hair in the sink, is to buy them drain covers with small holes to catch the hair. This is especially true with folks with long hair and sorry if I sound racist or cruel, but especially folks that have long coarse black hair or if they are the in the later stages of chemotherapy when the hair comes out in large quantities. Follow all these rules and you will thank me. Barry -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes- boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Herrman Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com writes: I'm not sure about the rest of the board - but I primarily appreciate the use of indoor plumbing for removing a certain solid waste that I create after doing a trick I call the Human Garbage disposal. Its hard to imagine what I do on the porcelain thrown could possibly be rivaled by anything ground up in the garbage disposal. Of course the toilet drains into a 3 pipe, sinks typically half that or smaller. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
At least 3; maybe, more 4 than 3 - well, from what I've seen, anyway, and, yes, I've seen a lot of 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com writes: I'm not sure about the rest of the board - but I primarily appreciate the use of indoor plumbing for removing a certain solid waste that I create after doing a trick I call the Human Garbage disposal. Its hard to imagine what I do on the porcelain thrown could possibly be rivaled by anything ground up in the garbage disposal. Of course the toilet drains into a 3 pipe, sinks typically half that or smaller. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net writes: Me, I did a dedicated 1 1/2 for each bowl into a wye, with 2 out the bottom, long-sweep elbow where it goes horizontal, and a clean-out for extra good measure. It drains psychotically fast. 2 drain on a kitchen sink makes a lot of sense, actually. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
Except that none of the sink drain stuff connects up to it directly. --R On 5/19/2011 10:06 AM, Allan Streib wrote: John Reamesjwrea...@comcast.net writes: Me, I did a dedicated 1 1/2 for each bowl into a wye, with 2 out the bottom, long-sweep elbow where it goes horizontal, and a clean-out for extra good measure. It drains psychotically fast. 2 drain on a kitchen sink makes a lot of sense, actually. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
Craig wrote: We rented in Austin, Texas. When we clogged the drain, we either fixed it ourselves or paid the bill to have it fixed. Standard fare here. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
On 19/05/2011 8:26 AM, Lee wrote: I compost. Problem solved. Don't have a garden? Make friends with someone who does, and barter a swap of compostables for veg. Lee I would really like to see things go a step further - especially for anyone in a rural area with some acreage. I see stories about bio-digesters that essentially consume all waste and convert it to methane gas for heating etc and ultimately fertilizer for the land. Apparently works in 3rd world countries but we have become too urban and have moved away from the practical side of life that our ancestors made work for them in many ways. I am not suggesting that the pioneers had bio-digesters - just that we should among other things that make sense in the modern world. If we are not going into something like bio-digesters then at miminum we should be using composter toilets etc. Unfortunately they have not taken off in a big way and as such the commercial units are very expensive. They also tend to require some ongoing input from their owner operators and we have become a world that for the most part does not know how to use a manual choke on a car. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 19/05/2011 7:18 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: SWMBO treats my car like a trash can too. Just one of the small joys of living with a woman, Andrew. Get used to it! Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 18/05/2011 10:51 PM, Fmiser wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: People should compost their vegetal table scraps... + coffee grounds + spent kitty litter (corn based) + leaves (crushed) + grass clippings. Results in 2 weeks or less. :) It's silly to compost them if there is no garden to put the compost into. -- Philip I believe many cities now have at least a plan to set up curbside recycling for things like yard waste - leaves, grass clippings etc to create bigger common compost piles. There has been talk of it here and I hope they ultimately do so. The soil will be useful somewhere even if you are not a gardener. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
Aye, but each bowl has a dedicated 1 1/2 pipe to it, and the tubing tailpiece is as short as possible... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 19, 2011, at 10:16, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Except that none of the sink drain stuff connects up to it directly. --R On 5/19/2011 10:06 AM, Allan Streib wrote: John Reamesjwrea...@comcast.net writes: Me, I did a dedicated 1 1/2 for each bowl into a wye, with 2 out the bottom, long-sweep elbow where it goes horizontal, and a clean-out for extra good measure. It drains psychotically fast. 2 drain on a kitchen sink makes a lot of sense, actually. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yup, wish I could convince my neighbors... In fact the guy next door spread a whole lawn worth of grass clippings in the woods once before I told him to put them in our pile. Now he doesn't bag anymore... -Curt Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 06:26:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee einer...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned Message-ID: 941668.4313...@web112812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I compost. Problem solved. Don't have a garden? Make friends with someone who does, and barter a swap of compostables for veg. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The justification of this is overload on sewage treatment facilities by stuff that would otherwise go into the trash. Ground up stuff adds biochemical oxygen demand (BOD), which is what sewage treatment plants remove. The more BOD in the waste stream, the more sewage treatment plant is required for adequate treatment. Ground up stuff adds to sludge volume also. Sludge has to be digested and finally dried. Volume is a problem. It is possible (note that I didn't say theoretically or readily possible) to so overload a sewage treatment plant with BOD from a particularly strong source, in one case a chicken slaughtering plant, that the effluent from the treatment plant is way too strong; it may still have a substantial BOD. Stinks. Solution in that case was pre-treatment at the chicken plant. You may not be able to do that with domestic kitchen waste unless it is really loaded up with blood or meat waste. Grease inhibits the bacteria that remove BOD. But that is why. Message: 7 Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 16:55:03 -0700 From: Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Alles. We live in the city and remember well the maggot infested garbage-pail-in-ground-out-back. We too have had GD problems in the past. Our solution was two fold, Improve the 100 year old crusty plumbing for the tenants, remove those GD's not needed and (our favorite) freeze all the garbage in left over plastic bags. Disposing of it in the trash on Wednesdays. Works for us Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 5/19/2011 2:36 PM, Robert Bigham wrote: The justification of this is overload on sewage treatment facilities by stuff that would otherwise go into the trash. Ground up stuff adds biochemical oxygen demand (BOD), which is what sewage treatment plants remove. The more BOD in the waste stream, the more sewage treatment plant is required for adequate treatment. Ground up stuff adds to sludge volume also. Sludge has to be digested and finally dried. Volume is a problem. It is possible (note that I didn't say theoretically or readily possible) to so overload a sewage treatment plant with BOD from a particularly strong source, in one case a chicken slaughtering plant, that the effluent from the treatment plant is way too strong; it may still have a substantial BOD. Stinks. Solution in that case was pre-treatment at the chicken plant. You may not be able to do that with domestic kitchen waste unless it is really loaded up with blood or meat waste. Grease inhibits the bacteria that remove BOD. But that is why. Message: 7 Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 16:55:03 -0700 From: Jerry Herrmanjer...@san.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Insinkerator has a GD that adds a bio-something-or-other to pre-treat the gook as it gets ground. Not sure what it is. We have a plain jane insinkerator, largest one they make for domestic. No problems with clogging, then again we don't run much vegetation down it. So far no issues with the septic tank either. Just goes to show some things just work. Maybe the fact that the dishwasher dumps down it helps clean it? We do run ice down it once or twice a month as well, per the instruction manual. Walt On May 19, 2011 2:37 PM, Robert Bigham edward_baldh...@earthlink.net wrote: The justification of this is overload on sewage treatment facilities by stuff that would otherwise go into the trash. Ground up stuff adds biochemical oxygen demand (BOD), which is what sewage treatment plants remove. The more BOD in the waste stream, the more sewage treatment plant is required for adequate treatment. Ground up stuff adds to sludge volume also. Sludge has to be digested and finally dried. Volume is a problem. It is possible (note that I didn't say theoretically or readily possible) to so overload a sewage treatment plant with BOD from a particularly strong source, in one case a chicken slaughtering plant, that the effluent from the treatment plant is way too strong; it may still have a substantial BOD. Stinks. Solution in that case was pre-treatment at the chicken plant. You may not be able to do that with domestic kitchen waste unless it is really loaded up with blood or meat waste. Grease inhibits the bacteria that remove BOD. But that is why. Message: 7 Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 16:55:03 -0700 From: Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The older ones said to clean 'em with chicken bones... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 19, 2011, at 14:48, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Insinkerator has a GD that adds a bio-something-or-other to pre-treat the gook as it gets ground. Not sure what it is. We have a plain jane insinkerator, largest one they make for domestic. No problems with clogging, then again we don't run much vegetation down it. So far no issues with the septic tank either. Just goes to show some things just work. Maybe the fact that the dishwasher dumps down it helps clean it? We do run ice down it once or twice a month as well, per the instruction manual. Walt On May 19, 2011 2:37 PM, Robert Bigham edward_baldh...@earthlink.net wrote: The justification of this is overload on sewage treatment facilities by stuff that would otherwise go into the trash. Ground up stuff adds biochemical oxygen demand (BOD), which is what sewage treatment plants remove. The more BOD in the waste stream, the more sewage treatment plant is required for adequate treatment. Ground up stuff adds to sludge volume also. Sludge has to be digested and finally dried. Volume is a problem. It is possible (note that I didn't say theoretically or readily possible) to so overload a sewage treatment plant with BOD from a particularly strong source, in one case a chicken slaughtering plant, that the effluent from the treatment plant is way too strong; it may still have a substantial BOD. Stinks. Solution in that case was pre-treatment at the chicken plant. You may not be able to do that with domestic kitchen waste unless it is really loaded up with blood or meat waste. Grease inhibits the bacteria that remove BOD. But that is why. Message: 7 Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 16:55:03 -0700 From: Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net writes: The older ones said to clean 'em with chicken bones... I remember my mom always putting chicken bones down the InSinkErator. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think it's fluff tbh... I was just in a rental in San Francisco, and it had a GD(insinkerator brand), one would think SF would be the first to ban a GD... I think what happened is the tennants didn't run the water while grinding, so it sludged up instead of dispearsing. Just my 2 cents, Walt On May 18, 2011 7:55 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Those darned baffle tees are a good way to have a clog develop! -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 18, 2011, at 20:01, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's fluff tbh... I was just in a rental in San Francisco, and it had a GD(insinkerator brand), one would think SF would be the first to ban a GD... I think what happened is the tennants didn't run the water while grinding, so it sludged up instead of dispearsing. Just my 2 cents, Walt On May 18, 2011 7:55 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I own rental properties as well and I have removed the GDs as they keep getting clogged. Tenants don't respect properties enough to use or care to use judgement when it comes to what can or can't go into a GD. Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We don't have one (septic system) and I don't really miss it. We just dump the scraps in the trash, it's actually faster and easier than feeding them into the disposer, also saves a bit of water. I don't think a drain has to be particularly designed for a GD. If it's working properly, it should not discharge anything big enough to cause a clog. They *used* to be banned in NYC due to percieved problems that food waste caused in the sanitary sewers. However according to Wikipedia that ban was lifted in 1997. Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com writes: So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Make sure tenant is properly advised and instructed on its operation and leave it in place. If it clogs again and becomes an on-going problem remove it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Excessive solids at the sewage treatment plant. Plugs up the whole works. This is also the reason most places ban pouring grease down the drain -- it clogs up the sewers and causes severe operational problems. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm not so sure on the drains; the baffle tees have a dedicated path for each inlet, they each are necked down to a semicircle that's about 1 3/8 across... (not quite 3/4 between the arc and the chord at the widest point!), so it will not take much to plug them. I've also seen close-radius elbows used in drains (back in walls and floors), which also are fun... Oh and don't forget years worth of pouring hot fat from frying pans down the drain... All of which conspire to cause no end of mess... Me, I did a dedicated 1 1/2 for each bowl into a wye, with 2 out the bottom, long-sweep elbow where it goes horizontal, and a clean-out for extra good measure. It drains psychotically fast. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 18, 2011, at 20:44, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: We don't have one (septic system) and I don't really miss it. We just dump the scraps in the trash, it's actually faster and easier than feeding them into the disposer, also saves a bit of water. I don't think a drain has to be particularly designed for a GD. If it's working properly, it should not discharge anything big enough to cause a clog. They *used* to be banned in NYC due to percieved problems that food waste caused in the sanitary sewers. However according to Wikipedia that ban was lifted in 1997. Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com writes: So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
I'm not sure about the rest of the board - but I primarily appreciate the use of indoor plumbing for removing a certain solid waste that I create after doing a trick I call the Human Garbage disposal. Its hard to imagine what I do on the porcelain thrown could possibly be rivaled by anything ground up in the garbage disposal. I'm just saying... Peter On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:50 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I'm not so sure on the drains; the baffle tees have a dedicated path for each inlet, they each are necked down to a semicircle that's about 1 3/8 across... (not quite 3/4 between the arc and the chord at the widest point!), so it will not take much to plug them. I've also seen close-radius elbows used in drains (back in walls and floors), which also are fun... Oh and don't forget years worth of pouring hot fat from frying pans down the drain... All of which conspire to cause no end of mess... Me, I did a dedicated 1 1/2 for each bowl into a wye, with 2 out the bottom, long-sweep elbow where it goes horizontal, and a clean-out for extra good measure. It drains psychotically fast. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 18, 2011, at 20:44, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: We don't have one (septic system) and I don't really miss it. We just dump the scraps in the trash, it's actually faster and easier than feeding them into the disposer, also saves a bit of water. I don't think a drain has to be particularly designed for a GD. If it's working properly, it should not discharge anything big enough to cause a clog. They *used* to be banned in NYC due to percieved problems that food waste caused in the sanitary sewers. However according to Wikipedia that ban was lifted in 1997. Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com writes: So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
Spud peels are the worst because they swell up when you grind them in the disposer, then they get caught in the bends and what not. I had to clean my drains out several times when we had one in Houston because of that (and someone not using enough water, and feeding them in too fast, and generally not... well you get the picture). Municipalities also find them now to be clogging up the sanitary sewers with stuff, and it puts a heavier load on the treatment plant with solids that then need to be disposed of, and that costs money and requires a special landfill if they don't compost it and sell it (which also costs money and takes space and investment...). It's just easier to ban them than deal with stuff. --R On 5/18/2011 7:55 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote: So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
They ARE banned in NYC! My brother has lived there since 1973 - heshould know. People should compost their vegetal table scraps... + coffee grounds + spent kitty litter (corn based) + leaves (crushed) + grass clippings. Results in 2 weeks or less. :) On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Spud peels are the worst because they swell up when you grind them in the disposer, then they get caught in the bends and what not. I had to clean my drains out several times when we had one in Houston because of that (and someone not using enough water, and feeding them in too fast, and generally not... well you get the picture). Municipalities also find them now to be clogging up the sanitary sewers with stuff, and it puts a heavier load on the treatment plant with solids that then need to be disposed of, and that costs money and requires a special landfill if they don't compost it and sell it (which also costs money and takes space and investment...). It's just easier to ban them than deal with stuff. --R On 5/18/2011 7:55 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote: So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
On Wed, 18 May 2011 16:55:03 -0700 Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. We rented in Austin, Texas. When we clogged the drain, we either fixed it ourselves or paid the bill to have it fixed. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
andrew strasfogel wrote: People should compost their vegetal table scraps... + coffee grounds + spent kitty litter (corn based) + leaves (crushed) + grass clippings. Results in 2 weeks or less. :) It's silly to compost them if there is no garden to put the compost into. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
