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Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

And to pile on, I honestly believe that a lot of places want to replace all of the EIS modules whenever one part has failed. Not necessary, as the replacement can be coded, locally or remotely. However, I do know of some dealers that won’t do it for anyone. Others do it for independent shops

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

> I have a hard time thinking that keys EIS and lock module all went bad at > once, esp since the key will physically turn. Of course they didn't. The root cause is likely singular, and could be something as simple as a bad connection or solder joint. Somewhere. _Finding_ it? That's a

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

Exactly. If it needs new keys that tells me the keys are bad and maybe the EIS is not working, but a new key should be programmable to match the existing keys and the rest of the car.  The lock module gets told by the EIS to unlock, and for the ECU to start the engine.  So now I am wondering

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

On 2023-09-28 13:36, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: So this makes me wonder what exactly might be wrong with it.  I look at the quote and think: Is it the ignition lock or the module that's bad? And are you charging me for both because you don't want to strand me when the second one

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

So this makes me wonder what exactly might be wrong with it.  All these modules talk to one another, if one is unhappy all the others are unhappy.  MB techs' solutions are to start throwing (expensive) parts at a problem when the solution might be simpler as I learned in working with my buddy

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

I have direct experience, and yes it can be a nightmare. Putting aside the question of whether any of these modules are so-called "theft relevant" parts (which MB might be unwilling to sell to mere mortals), there is the advantage that this would just be labour, not jackhammering like earlier

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

You have to get out your vibrating multitool and tape it to the key. It will eventually shake the cylinder into compliance, or so I’ve heard. Whenever I get a “new to me” car I always buy new keys. If it’s something like a W124 or W123 I’ll buy a new ignition lock cylinder as well, which

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

A W123 can get you into a pretty pickle as well if the lock cylinder jams. Very difficult to drill out or remove in other ways if you can't turn it. Or so I'm told, no direct experience. On Thu, Sep 28, 2023, at 08:53, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote: > Update. Repair estimate at Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

And that folks, is why it pays to buy tools and do it yourself (if you enjoy fixing things). Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: September 28, 2023 10:02 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

wow. --FT On 9/28/23 9:53 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote: Update. Repair estimate at Mercedes Dealer $2850.00. Not sure pdf of estimate will send but the repair looks fairly complicated. I’m splitting the cost of repair with my son. Issue is locked steering wheel and no crank /start.

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

Update. Repair estimate at Mercedes Dealer $2850.00. Not sure pdf of estimate will send but the repair looks fairly complicated. I’m splitting the cost of repair with my son. Issue is locked steering wheel and no crank /start. Steering Lock Module - $505 Ignition Switch- $735 Program 2 keys -

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

Jumpstart did not help. From watching some vids it appears to be an ELS (electric steering lock) issue. It seems to be in locked position and according to vids it is a $2000 repair from Mercedes. I’ll call dealership in the morning. Michael E. Esh > On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:27 PM, dan

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

Just don't reverse the cables. Positive to positive, then check and double check that the unjumped terminals are both negative before jumping them too. On 2023-09-24 10:53, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: Should be ok ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

Should be ok --FT Sent from iFōn > On Sep 24, 2023, at 9:48 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes > wrote: > > I’m heading back to the vehicle today(30 miles) Can these car be jumped with > another vehicle without damaging electronics? My newest vehicle before buying > this one is my 85 300D. >

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

I’m heading back to the vehicle today(30 miles) Can these car be jumped with another vehicle without damaging electronics? My newest vehicle before buying this one is my 85 300D. Thanks. Michael E. Esh > On Sep 23, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yes main

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

Yes main battery is the first thing to check. These newer cars are EXTREMELY sensitive to battery voltage. Next (or maybe first since it’s easy) thing is check the key battery. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > The first thought is

Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

The first thought is the battery. EIS likely locks the steering column with a solenoid, so no power, no unlock. The battery could have enough juice to run the radio but not the rest of the car. Once voltage falls below a certain point stuff either gets wonky or just doesn’t work. Good luck,

[MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

Fairly new to us 2013 Mercedes C300. Son purchased a couple of months ago. About 150,000 miles on it. Not sure why but it will not turn over. He parked it at the mall and when he came out it would not fire up. Steering wheel is in lock position and turned to the far right and does not

[MBZ] HELP A BORTHER OUT AND GOBBLESS 2012 Mercedes Benz - $4,000

He posts this thing every day for the last 2-3 weeks and no bites. HELP A BORTHER OUT AND GOBBLESS https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/ctd/d/indianapolis-2012-mercedes-benz/7586189410.html -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

[MBZ] Help me understand -- 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class,$13,000

I bought a wrecked red car and fixed it with parts from a white car and decided not to paint it.  Or maybe HF had a spray gun on sale and I bought some red paint https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/434954558369938 -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

[MBZ] HELP REGINALD!!! 2001 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 500 Sedan 4D, $6, 500

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[MBZ] HELP! Coolant Leak ML320

Leak seems to be coming from a little gizmo on the front of the engine. I have a vid showing the leak. Can anyone help with a diagnosis? TIA Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] HELP I need to get set up to bid on this!!!!

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[MBZ] HELP I need to get set up to bid on this!!!!

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Re: [MBZ] HELP!!!

> What went wrong?! Engine must be running to fill beyond 50% (?) point. Pretty much true of all automatic transmissions. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options

Re: [MBZ] HELP!!!

over much fluid if you did not drain the TC? Pan gasket failure? clay monroe > I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm > looking for didn't fall out. > On Mar 30, 2019, at 6:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > I put in the sixth quart of ATF into the

Re: [MBZ] HELP!!!

Pour a pint on the same floor and see how far it spreads in the same time.  Or, start a drip and measure how much is gone when the puddle equals the same size as your car's puddle.    A pint of ATF goes a LONG way! 7-8 nm   Translation: barely snug. Craig via Mercedes wrote on 3/30/19 11:20

Re: [MBZ] HELP!!!

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:48:09 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > Probably lost only a pint or so.  pretty small puddle.  Out the vent? Pretty small puddle?!!! I used up all the cat litter I have for putting on spills ... Anyway, I FINALLY found the torque spec for the transmission pan

Re: [MBZ] HELP!!!

Probably lost only a pint or so.  pretty small puddle.  Out the vent? Craig via Mercedes wrote on 3/30/19 10:17 PM: ... So I screwed up. Where did the fluid come out? Did it syphon extra fluid out, or is the puddle only the quart I last added? Craig ___

Re: [MBZ] HELP!!!

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley wrote: > You drained the torque converter and overfilled the transmission > without running the engine to put the fluid in the converter? Apparently that's what I did. It was happy for four days with 5 quarts in the transmission, but the

Re: [MBZ] HELP!!!

You drained the torque converter and overfilled the transmission without running the engine to put the fluid in the converter? > On March 30, 2019 at 10:32 PM Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I put in the sixth quart of ATF into the transmission on our '93 E300D > just before dinner. After

Re: [MBZ] Help with ML320 speed sensor connector?

Good Work!  Watago!  i figured there was a way,  Glad to hear MB did not inherit ALL foms of cheapness from Dogde. Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote on 12/23/18 7:10 PM: I finally messed with it the right way. The trick is to push down on the female socket tab, not lift it. I was able to

Re: [MBZ] Help with ML320 speed sensor connector?

Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curley McLain via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 3:24 PM To: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes Cc: Curley McLain Subject: Re: [MBZ] Help with ML320 speed sensor connector? On the Dogdes, I just c

Re: [MBZ] Help with ML320 speed sensor connector?

On the Dogdes, I just cut off the keeper as they are nearly impossible to hold open while you pull the connector apart.  It takes 3 hands and I only have 2.   Dunno what the plug us like on your car, but there has to be a way. Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote on 12/23/18 4:50 PM: Anybody

[MBZ] Help with ML320 speed sensor connector?

Anybody happen to know how to remove the RF wheel sensor connector without destroying the connectors? It's an '02, the connector to the electrical system, not the wheel. There's a catch on the sensor cable; do I just use a small flat screwdriver to free the catch, then pull? It doesn't seem to

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Done. -D > On Jun 1, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Hans Neureiter via Mercedes > wrote: > > please undubscribe > > -- > Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX > '82 300SD > '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives

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Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

Speaking of the right tools, I still haven't done a thing about the worn out wheel bearing on the ML, aside from buying a couple of new bearings. Here's the right tool, anybody want to get it for me for Christmas?

Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

I'm with Rick, the right tool for the job makes big things no big deal. This is why Curley is scared of modern cars, he refuses to buy the right tools. Troubleshooting an electronic component that tells you whats wrong is easier and more practical than shotgunning parts at mechanical systems.

Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

Curley sez: >my mindset was always to NOT buy >special tools, but to develop some >>workaround. I'm just the opposite. I mean, sure, if I can fabricate a tool to work, cool, but I don't need much of an excuse to buy a new tool. The tools at Baum's seem pricey though. Rick Who isn't going to

Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

My memory is starting to come back about this awful job. I think in lieu of the hook tool I made a loop of 18-20 ga wire to pull on. Then after the *#@&$!!! blasted spring was hooked, I cut the wire off. I CAN see where the hook tool could be useful. my mindset was always to NOT buy

Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

If I remember, It's been a long time since I did mine, The 61 00 tool is just a hook so any good strong hook tool will work. The other one is a bit different. It has to push down on the small coil spring and then turn it to disengage and later engage the hook in the back plate. I seem to

Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

There is a trick to getting them back on easily, but I can't describe it. The job is a royal pain without the correct tool. Takes a stout hook to pull the spring on if you do it that way, but I seem to remember prying the shoe over something with the spring in place. Been too long, don't

Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

The Amazon link I sent has both of those tools for $30 + shipping. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On December 23, 2017 11:06:03 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

http://www.baumtools.com/shop/42brakes-c-14_80/1120961-brake-spring-installer-p-625.html http://www.baumtools.com/shop/42brakes-c-14_80/1160162-parking-brake-spring-hook-p-626.html > On Dec 23, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > Is there a MB

Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

Is there a MB Tool?  I looked at 43-0530 which call for 2 spring tools: 112 589 09 61 00 and 116 589 01 62 00 - I know next to nothing about Special MB Tools but perhaps someone has some info? Good luck! Larry On 12/23/2017 8:53 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: I think i tried using

Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

I think i tried using brake spring pliers but failed. i tried lots of things, but nothing worked. It took a lot of time. I could not find any way to do it that seemed reasonable. Max Dillon via Mercedes December 23, 2017 at 7:05 AM I'll second the vice grips

Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

Here is a picture of the hooked tool. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01MTEUCQO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8=1514034549=8-1=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65=Parking+brake+hook+tool=1=319qHxRPf7L=plSrch -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On December 22, 2017 10:34:12 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

I'll second the vice grips recommendation. I think I clamped the end of the spring with the vice grips, and then it was just brute force. I tried to figure out a way to lever the vice grips with a screw driver, but failed. I believe the official shop tool is a hooked handle. -- Max Dillon

Re: [MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

It is helpful to have new springs and small parts. At best they are a royal pain. I don't know of any easy way, but I have ruined springs and lost small parts trying to put them back together. It is a job I avoid at all costs. original vicegrips are a necessity. Chinee fake vicegrips are

[MBZ] Help! Trying to change the parking brake shoes on a W124

I am in the process of re-doing the brakes on our '90 E300D. The front brakes are done (new disks, new sliding pin seals, new Akebono pads). I have started the rear brakes. On one side I have taken everything apart and am trying to put the parking brake assembly back together with new shoes. It

Re: [MBZ] help the daughter unit

> > Any liquid solvent will due, but think about disposal once done. Gasoline burns nicely, in a bucket. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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I've used the flush that FLAPS sells, and alcohol. Any liquid solvent will due, but think about disposal once done. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On May 17, 2017 12:42:10 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: >I poured some in, and blew it through

Re: [MBZ] help the daughter unit

I poured some in, and blew it through with compressed air. I figured any residue would be very HC-refrigerant compatible, and also happy with the R12 mineral oil I was using. The suck filter on the compressor is the most important thing. -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] help the daughter unit

On 16/05/2017 11:53 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What do use to flush? Last time I used gasoline! -- Jim ___ Next question is how? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] help the daughter unit

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Re: [MBZ] help the daughter unit

ax Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] help the daughter unit Professional AC repair is a racket.  Quickie flush, replacement compressor, test refrigerant, and an inline filter on the suction side and it should be good to go.  What, $200 DIY?  Windows are usually not horribly e

Re: [MBZ] help the daughter unit

Professional AC repair is a racket. Quickie flush, replacement compressor, test refrigerant, and an inline filter on the suction side and it should be good to go. What, $200 DIY? Windows are usually not horribly expensive to fix. Either a used regulator, or a new sliding jaw. Unless it's

Re: [MBZ] help the daughter unit

That ML will drink a lot of premium gasoline... Get the 99 E300 turbo diesel. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go

Re: [MBZ] help the daughter unit

The engine on her SD is blowing oil too, it's probably the seals which I am not inclined to deal with as the car is not here. Needs (probably) 3 window motors. The AC was quoted at $900 up depending on if the compressor sent crap everywhere when it munched. The car is probably worth $1500 at

Re: [MBZ] help the daughter unit

Spend half or less of her budget fixing the SD - then she has a known good car. Those same things will break soon on a $4,000 MB. Better the devil you know . . . On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > So the daughter unit has gotten tired of

[MBZ] help the daughter unit

So the daughter unit has gotten tired of no AC in the SD and windows that don't work so she thinks she wants to spend up to $4k on another car. She of course has been spoiled by her and her mom's Benzes so I found some in her range. Recognizing cheap mercedes etc I told her she will

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

e 3, 4, and 5 are junk. Fred Moir. Lynn MA. Diesel preferred. From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Larry Turner via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: 02 January 2017 11:51 To: Curley McLain via Mercedes Cc: Larry Turner Sub

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

es-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Larry Turner via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: 02 January 2017 11:51 To: Curley McLain via Mercedes Cc: Larry Turner Subject: Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting OK, I tested my old GPs using my DMM and found the following. I put the r

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

ercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Larry Turner via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: 02 January 2017 11:51 To: Curley McLain via Mercedes Cc: Larry Turner Subject: Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting OK, I tested my old GPs using my DMM and found the foll

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

om> Sent: 02 January 2017 11:51 To: Curley McLain via Mercedes Cc: Larry Turner Subject: Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting OK, I tested my old GPs using my DMM and found the following. I put the red probe against the threads at the tip and the black probe against the threads that conta

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

; >>> Larry >>> >>> >>>> On 01/02/2017 12:05 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: >>>> Larry. >>>> >>>> 1 & 2 seem to be in range 3, 4, and 5 are junk. >>>> >>>> >>>> Fred Moir. >>>> Lynn MA. >

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

McLain via Mercedes Cc: Larry Turner Subject: Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting OK, I tested my old GPs using my DMM and found the following. I put the red probe against the threads at the tip and the black probe against the threads that contact with the head. I used a Fluke 77 Seri

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

> Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: > > I plan to take the intake manifold off (as soon as I get a > stubborn bolt out) and then I will inspect the wiring looking > for possible shorts. Curley wrote: ANY GP WIRES THAT ARE GROUNDED ON THE MANIFOLD (most common problem) WON'T SHOW THE FAULT WITH

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

Larry wrote: No, don't need the instructions again,. I do need to find a Ammeter. I was hoping this problem would be behind me by now, but it looks like I'm going to need more troubleshooting tools. I would like to find a solid, *easy test t**o determine **if a GP is good or bad*...

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

Seems reasonably good, now find the fault in the wiring from the plugs to the relay... -Curt From: Larry Turner via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Larry Turner <l02tur...@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [MB

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

>>> ________ >>> From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Larry Turner >>> via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> Sent: 02 January 2017 11:51 >>> To: Curley McLain via Mercedes >>> Cc: Larr

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

rner Subject: Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting OK, I tested my old GPs using my DMM and found the following. I put the red probe against the threads at the tip and the black probe against the threads that contact with the head. I used a Fluke 77 Series III if that matters.

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

Moir. Lynn MA. Diesel preferred. From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Larry Turner via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: 02 January 2017 11:51 To: Curley McLain via Mercedes Cc: Larry Turner Subject: Re: [MBZ] HE

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Larry Turner via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: 02 January 2017 11:51 To: Curley McLain via Mercedes Cc: Larry Turner Subject: Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting OK, I tested my old GPs using my DMM and fou

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

urley McLain via Mercedes Cc: Larry Turner Subject: Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting OK, I tested my old GPs using my DMM and found the following. I put the red probe against the threads at the tip and the black probe against the threads that contact with the head. I used a Flu

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

> > What does this tell me? *GP 1 - **0.3 * *Bosch* > *GP 2 - 0.3 "* > *GP 3 - 3.50 "* > *GP 4 - 63.4 "* > *GP 5 - 11.61 "* > That three of your five GP's were bad. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

Curley, My answers follow your questions On 01/02/2017 10:46 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Larry, let us know if this recap is correct: no start (without excessive cranking.) Correct 5 GPs changed with intake manifold off Yes no start Correct GP fuse found blown Yes GP fuse

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Larry Turner via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: 25 December 2016 19:46 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Larry Turner Subject: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting Tried to do some last minute shoppin

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

Thx! I hadn't considered that. On 01/02/2017 10:05 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: ANY GP WIRES THAT ARE GROUNDED ON THE MANIFOLD (most common problem) WON'T SHOW THE FAULT WITH THE MANIFOLD REMOVED. Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: I plan to take the intake manifold off (as soon as I

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

OK that's what I have. a plug with 6 holes but only 5 are connected. That plug sends 12v to the GPs I believe.I understand what you were saying now. Thanks! I think this is typical for a 5 cyl. one large 12v wire, 2 plugs - 1 which has 5 active openings for GP power and a smaller

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

Many meters are not good enough at measuring low-ohms to reliably troubleshoot glow plugs. A Fluke, though, is good enough. It's what I use. It's an easy test: if you short the probes together does it measure exactly zero ohms, or nearly zero ohms? The true answer is not exactly zero. (Unless

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

Larry, let us know if this recap is correct: no start (without excessive cranking.) 5 GPs changed with intake manifold off no start GP fuse found blown GP fuse replaced Was this fuse blown? I believe you visually inspected the GP terminals, and non of the wire terminals were touching. Is

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

More likely you have a meter that can't differentiate between 0 ohms and 1 ohm. But yes, it is possible to have all 5 GPs grounded. not common at all, but possible the most common source of grounding when new GPs have been installed is the terminal on the gp wire turning as the nut is

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

that is the test. NOW check your meter with known good plugs. If it can't differentiate between known good plus and 0 ohms (leads together) you need a different meter, or to use Philips ammeter test. Larry Turner via Mercedes January 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM The

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

to the GP's and the resistance of each plug. Fred. Fred Moir. Lynn MA. Diesel preferred. From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Larry Turner via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: 25 December 2016 19:46 To: mercedes@okieben

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

in your GP wiring harness, the plug at the relay has six positions. I believe only 5 are used. the ones used are lined with a socket for the pins in the relay. That is what I referred to as a liner in the socket of the plug. I am not familiar with 5 cyl OM602. I know on the 616, only 4

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

ANY GP WIRES THAT ARE GROUNDED ON THE MANIFOLD (most common problem) WON'T SHOW THE FAULT WITH THE MANIFOLD REMOVED. Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: I plan to take the intake manifold off (as soon as I get a stubborn bolt out) and then I will inspect the wiring looking for possible shorts.

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*Please clarify the comments in red below. Are you talking about the plug that attaches to the 5 prongs of the Relay and provides power to each GP?If so, I checked each 'socket' and it returned 0.0 ohms. Is that telling me all 5 plugs are grounded either in the GP or the wiring?*

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The Plug was disconnected from the Relay when I tested Resistance between the 5 socket plug and engine ground. Thx! On 01/01/2017 12:52 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: Depends on if you had the plug connected to the relay or not. Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: OK, Have been thinking (always a

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

Hey Curley, This is a very definitive troubleshooting guide. It's a keeper. What do you think about me testing my old GPs with a old Battery? Actually I have 3 old 12v batteries not being used so any of them could be used. My biggest concern is this test would make a GP glow red

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Curley, re: Your comments below talk about 2 things that confuse me - First, you wrote "plug with a liner and ground." Liner? What Liner are you referring to? Also, you said "each of the 4 positions" did you mean to say 5 positions? When first reading your post I thought you were writing

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No, don't need the instructions again,. I do need to find a Ammeter. I was hoping this problem would be behind me by now, but it looks like I'm going to need more troubleshooting tools. BTW, all of my GPs are a mix of Bosch and Beru. Since you said the Bosch are made in China I will go

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Fred wrote: The cold resistance of GP's is very low and inexpensive meters may not be able to discriminate between 0.0 ohms and 0.8 ohms (or there abouts). This is why I so prefer using an ammeter. It is so much more accurate - and it tests the source voltage, the wiring connections, and

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I'll give it a try, Thx Larry If your meter can reliably measure that resistance on a plug outside of the engine then you've either got 5 bad plugs, a dead short in the wiring or you're testing in the wrong place. Can you tape the lead from your meter to a stick to test directly at the plug?

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

If your meter can reliably measure that resistance on a plug outside of the engine then you've either got 5 bad plugs, a dead short in the wiring or you're testing in the wrong place. Can you tape the lead from your meter to a stick to test directly at the plug? If it still reads zero it's

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. From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Larry Turner via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: 01 January 2017 12:11 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Larry Turner Subject: Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting OK, Have been thinking (always a bad thing) and it see

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