Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
As did my 220D, and the NA 300D, and the NA 450SLC - On 7/5/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marshall wrote: Most of the naturally aspirated ones DON'T. fortunately, the W123 240D is one model that does - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
OK Don wrote: As did my 220D, and the NA 300D, and the NA 450SLC - A quick dirty count suggests that my statement about MOST NA diesels not having an oil cooler was WRONG. I forgot that my '70s W115 240 diesels had oil coolers. The 190D non-turbos (and cars using OM601/602 non turbo engines in most of the rest of the world) don't have or need an oil cooler. The OM60x.96 turbos need an oil cooler. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
It was a correct statement if qualified to pre /8 models (ponton and 110) and 201 and 124 non-turbo Diesels. None of those had oil coolers, by my count. It looks like all 115, 123 and 126 Diesels had oil coolers, along with turbo 201 and 124 models. (at least US models) I am not sure about the world models. At 10:34 PM 7/5/2006, you wrote: OK Don wrote: As did my 220D, and the NA 300D, and the NA 450SLC - A quick dirty count suggests that my statement about MOST NA diesels not having an oil cooler was WRONG. I forgot that my '70s W115 240 diesels had oil coolers. The 190D non-turbos (and cars using OM601/602 non turbo engines in most of the rest of the world) don't have or need an oil cooler. The OM60x.96 turbos need an oil cooler. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
Loren Faeth wrote: It was a correct statement if qualified to pre /8 models (ponton and 110) and 201 and 124 non-turbo Diesels. None of those had oil coolers, by my count. It looks like all 115, 123 and 126 Diesels had oil coolers, along with turbo 201 and 124 models. (at least US models) I am not sure about the world models. That's how my count FINALLY ended. Glad you guys were on the ball and kept me in line! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
It's rare that we have that opportunity! On 7/5/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's how my count FINALLY ended. Glad you guys were on the ball and kept me in line! Marshall -- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
The '95 124 with NA 606 engine has an oil cooler. Or maybe it's an oil warmer. It consists of a heat exchanger inside the oil pan that cools the oil against engine coolant. Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300D x2 '85 300D '80 300TD
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
Tom Hargrave wrote: John, I thought all of the Mercedes diesels had oil coolers? Even my 300SDL has one - it's inside the driver side fender. Mercedes turbodiesel have oil coolers. Most of the naturally aspirated ones DON'T. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
Marshall wrote: Most of the naturally aspirated ones DON'T. fortunately, the W123 240D is one model that does - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil. Tom Hargrave wrote: John, I thought all of the Mercedes diesels had oil coolers? Even my 300SDL has one - it's inside the driver side fender. Mercedes turbodiesel have oil coolers. Most of the naturally aspirated ones DON'T. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
So during the 7,000 miles I had the first dose of Mobil 1 in I had to add less than 1 quart of oil and that was when I took a sample for analysis. Then the other day I notice some wierd oil on the hood just above the headlight on the drivers side. I popped the hood but couldn't see any oil other than the usual amount pretty much everywhere. Then yesterday driving into the Berkshires the low oil light came on. Well thats interesting but the car doesn't leak oil (see above) so I didn't pay it much mind and it went out. This morning returning from the Berkshires the light came back on and persisted. We stopped for breakfast and after eating I checked and it was down a quart. I topped up but the question remains where the hell did the oil go? Furthermore how did the mystery oil get on the hood? I couldn't see any oil lines there or anything obvious... One possible solution: Its I-90 from Springfield into the Berkshires, gotta be some of the biggest, longest hills in MA. In fact we passed the highest point on I-90 this side of South Dakota. At one point yesterday I saw the temp gauge rise above its normal position for the first time since I got the car. It usually sits just above 80C so that you can just see the top of the 8 above the needle, probably 85-90C its hard to be precise on that gauge. Yesterday it rose to the point I could see all of the 8 under the needle. At which point I realized this was an excellent Italian Tuneup oportunity and put the hammer down. We'd been crusing at about 70mph so I took it up to about 80mph and immediately ran out of hill. -Curt '85 190D Dory 244kmi - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 03 02:08:48 2006 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.184]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FxDrj-0002bM-Lk for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 02:08:48 + Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so620468nfb for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.157.15 with SMTP id f15mr773859hue; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.138.15 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:08:37 -0500 From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 30? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 02:08:49 - Then I'd better stay away from the 300D. On 7/2/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's how many millimeters your hairline will recede during your tenure-ship of said vehicle. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
Curt, Your oil cooler has sprung a high pressure leak. The oil cooler is bolted to the driver side of the radiator that's why you see oil on the hood. You need to replace the cooler before the hole opens up more. A good used one makes a great replacement since they rarely fail. Maybe Kaleb has one laying around at a reasonable price? By the way, this had nothing to do with your Mobil-1. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:51 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil. So during the 7,000 miles I had the first dose of Mobil 1 in I had to add less than 1 quart of oil and that was when I took a sample for analysis. Then the other day I notice some wierd oil on the hood just above the headlight on the drivers side. I popped the hood but couldn't see any oil other than the usual amount pretty much everywhere. Then yesterday driving into the Berkshires the low oil light came on. Well thats interesting but the car doesn't leak oil (see above) so I didn't pay it much mind and it went out. This morning returning from the Berkshires the light came back on and persisted. We stopped for breakfast and after eating I checked and it was down a quart. I topped up but the question remains where the hell did the oil go? Furthermore how did the mystery oil get on the hood? I couldn't see any oil lines there or anything obvious... One possible solution: Its I-90 from Springfield into the Berkshires, gotta be some of the biggest, longest hills in MA. In fact we passed the highest point on I-90 this side of South Dakota. At one point yesterday I saw the temp gauge rise above its normal position for the first time since I got the car. It usually sits just above 80C so that you can just see the top of the 8 above the needle, probably 85-90C its hard to be precise on that gauge. Yesterday it rose to the point I could see all of the 8 under the needle. At which point I realized this was an excellent Italian Tuneup oportunity and put the hammer down. We'd been crusing at about 70mph so I took it up to about 80mph and immediately ran out of hill. -Curt '85 190D Dory 244kmi - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
Very possible that the M1 cleaned some sludge off from a pinhole that was already there and probably going to let you know at a bad time...LOL Thanks M1...Well sorta... Mike - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil. Curt, Your oil cooler has sprung a high pressure leak. The oil cooler is bolted to the driver side of the radiator that's why you see oil on the hood. You need to replace the cooler before the hole opens up more. A good used one makes a great replacement since they rarely fail. Maybe Kaleb has one laying around at a reasonable price? By the way, this had nothing to do with your Mobil-1. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:51 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil. So during the 7,000 miles I had the first dose of Mobil 1 in I had to add less than 1 quart of oil and that was when I took a sample for analysis. Then the other day I notice some wierd oil on the hood just above the headlight on the drivers side. I popped the hood but couldn't see any oil other than the usual amount pretty much everywhere. Then yesterday driving into the Berkshires the low oil light came on. Well thats interesting but the car doesn't leak oil (see above) so I didn't pay it much mind and it went out. This morning returning from the Berkshires the light came back on and persisted. We stopped for breakfast and after eating I checked and it was down a quart. I topped up but the question remains where the hell did the oil go? Furthermore how did the mystery oil get on the hood? I couldn't see any oil lines there or anything obvious... One possible solution: Its I-90 from Springfield into the Berkshires, gotta be some of the biggest, longest hills in MA. In fact we passed the highest point on I-90 this side of South Dakota. At one point yesterday I saw the temp gauge rise above its normal position for the first time since I got the car. It usually sits just above 80C so that you can just see the top of the 8 above the needle, probably 85-90C its hard to be precise on that gauge. Yesterday it rose to the point I could see all of the 8 under the needle. At which point I realized this was an excellent Italian Tuneup oportunity and put the hammer down. We'd been crusing at about 70mph so I took it up to about 80mph and immediately ran out of hill. -Curt '85 190D Dory 244kmi - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
I'd think that the top hose to the oil cooler is more likely to leak than the cooler it's self - JMTCW. On 7/2/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very possible that the M1 cleaned some sludge off from a pinhole that was already there and probably going to let you know at a bad time...LOL Thanks M1...Well sorta... Mike - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil. Curt, Your oil cooler has sprung a high pressure leak. The oil cooler is bolted to the driver side of the radiator that's why you see oil on the hood. You need to replace the cooler before the hole opens up more. A good used one makes a great replacement since they rarely fail. Maybe Kaleb has one laying around at a reasonable price? By the way, this had nothing to do with your Mobil-1. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:51 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil. So during the 7,000 miles I had the first dose of Mobil 1 in I had to add less than 1 quart of oil and that was when I took a sample for analysis. Then the other day I notice some wierd oil on the hood just above the headlight on the drivers side. I popped the hood but couldn't see any oil other than the usual amount pretty much everywhere. Then yesterday driving into the Berkshires the low oil light came on. Well thats interesting but the car doesn't leak oil (see above) so I didn't pay it much mind and it went out. This morning returning from the Berkshires the light came back on and persisted. We stopped for breakfast and after eating I checked and it was down a quart. I topped up but the question remains where the hell did the oil go? Furthermore how did the mystery oil get on the hood? I couldn't see any oil lines there or anything obvious... One possible solution: Its I-90 from Springfield into the Berkshires, gotta be some of the biggest, longest hills in MA. In fact we passed the highest point on I-90 this side of South Dakota. At one point yesterday I saw the temp gauge rise above its normal position for the first time since I got the car. It usually sits just above 80C so that you can just see the top of the 8 above the needle, probably 85-90C its hard to be precise on that gauge. Yesterday it rose to the point I could see all of the 8 under the needle. At which point I realized this was an excellent Italian Tuneup oportunity and put the hammer down. We'd been crusing at about 70mph so I took it up to about 80mph and immediately ran out of hill. -Curt '85 190D Dory 244kmi - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
possible solution: Its I-90 from Springfield into the Berkshires, gotta be some of the biggest, longest hills in MA. In fact we passed the highest point on I-90 this side of South Dakota. At one point yesterday I saw the temp gauge rise above its normal position for the first time since I got the car. It usually sits just above 80C so that you can just see the top of the 8 above the needle, probably 85-90C its hard to be precise on that gauge. Yesterday it rose to the point I could see all of the 8 under the needle. At which point I realized this was an excellent Italian Tuneup oportunity and put the hammer down. We'd been crusing at about 70mph so I took it up to about 80mph and immediately ran out of hill. Curt, the engine oil cooler is normally not needed and is thermostatically controlled. If there was a leak in the cooler circuit, it might remain invisible until you make a hard pull like your report above. WOT will also change the amount of blowby and where most cars can handle blowby in normal amounts, hard climbs will sometimes move more oil into the intake air stream where it is burned with the combustion process. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K miles
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
rumor has it that Curt wrote: Then the other day I notice some wierd oil on the hood just above the headlight on the drivers side. I popped the hood but couldn't see any oil other than the usual amount pretty much everywhere. I know you don't have a W123 - but on two different W123s I have had a similar oil trail. It seems that the under-hood airflow is _toward_ the drive's side headlight. One one of the cars, the oil filter mount gasket was leaking and that was the oil coming out between the hood and fender just above the headlight. The other car trashed piston rings on cylinder #3 before I positivly identified the source - but I suspect it was breather tube related - possibly connected to excess blowby. Can't help with the rest - sorry. *smile --Philip, nothing but W123s
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
On Jul 2, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: Curt, Your oil cooler has sprung a high pressure leak. The oil cooler is bolted to the driver side of the radiator that's why you see oil on the hood. You need to replace the cooler before the hole opens up more. A good used one makes a great replacement since they rarely fail. Maybe Kaleb has one laying around at a reasonable price? By the way, this had nothing to do with your Mobil-1. Thanks, Tom Hargrave There should be no oil cooler on Curt's 190D. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil.
John, I thought all of the Mercedes diesels had oil coolers? Even my 300SDL has one - it's inside the driver side fender. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: John Berryman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 8:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hmmm, missing oil. On Jul 2, 2006, at 10:41 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: Curt, Your oil cooler has sprung a high pressure leak. The oil cooler is bolted to the driver side of the radiator that's why you see oil on the hood. You need to replace the cooler before the hole opens up more. A good used one makes a great replacement since they rarely fail. Maybe Kaleb has one laying around at a reasonable price? By the way, this had nothing to do with your Mobil-1. Thanks, Tom Hargrave There should be no oil cooler on Curt's 190D. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
