Re: [MBZ] hood pads (was FCP euro)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just sprayed the pad and hood.  Got three coats out of one can.  Letting the 
adhesive tack up for 10-15 minutes.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] hood pads (was FCP euro)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not this stuff. They don’t offer it.  Search for 3M 8090.

-D

> On Feb 17, 2018, at 10:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 3M spray adhesives are sold cheaper at Home Depot.
> 
> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'd rather do it with the hood vertical.On a 107 or 110 where the hood
>> does not go vertical, then yes, taking it off would help.
>> 
>> OK Don via Mercedes 
>>> February 17, 2018 at 12:20 PM
>>> After having done one with the hood in place, I did the next two after
>>> pulling the hood off - it's much easier to work on and to keep spray off
>>> everything else. I found that I much prefer to scrape old adhesive off
>>> with
>>> the hood up-side-down than to work overhead. It takes two to comfortably
>>> and safely remove and install the hood, but was worth the effort in my
>>> case. YMMV.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] hood pads (was FCP euro)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The 3M spray adhesives are sold cheaper at Home Depot.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'd rather do it with the hood vertical.On a 107 or 110 where the hood
> does not go vertical, then yes, taking it off would help.
>
> OK Don via Mercedes 
>> February 17, 2018 at 12:20 PM
>> After having done one with the hood in place, I did the next two after
>> pulling the hood off - it's much easier to work on and to keep spray off
>> everything else. I found that I much prefer to scrape old adhesive off
>> with
>> the hood up-side-down than to work overhead. It takes two to comfortably
>> and safely remove and install the hood, but was worth the effort in my
>> case. YMMV.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] hood pads (was FCP euro)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'd rather do it with the hood vertical.On a 107 or 110 where the 
hood does not go vertical, then yes, taking it off would help.



OK Don via Mercedes 
February 17, 2018 at 12:20 PM
After having done one with the hood in place, I did the next two after
pulling the hood off - it's much easier to work on and to keep spray off
everything else. I found that I much prefer to scrape old adhesive off 
with

the hood up-side-down than to work overhead. It takes two to comfortably
and safely remove and install the hood, but was worth the effort in my
case. YMMV.



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Re: [MBZ] hood pads (was FCP euro)

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Curt sez:

>‎Guess I remembered wrong

You are young. That's not supposed to happen until you are a geezer. ‎(like me)

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] hood pads (was FCP euro)

[OK Don via Mercedes]

After having done one with the hood in place, I did the next two after
pulling the hood off - it's much easier to work on and to keep spray off
everything else. I found that I much prefer to scrape old adhesive off with
the hood up-side-down than to work overhead. It takes two to comfortably
and safely remove and install the hood, but was worth the effort in my
case. YMMV.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Guess I remembered wrong
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Jim Cathey
> wrote:
> I thought it was 3M Super 77? I used that on 3 or 4 different pads, worked
> a treat.
>
> Absolutely not.  Super trim adhesive is the ticket, it can take the heat,
> even in hot climates.  I use 77 for the door moisture barriers, because it
> can pull back off.
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] hood pads (was FCP euro)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Guess I remembered wrong

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:  
 
I thought it was 3M Super 77? I used that on 3 or 4 different pads, worked a 
treat.

Absolutely not.  Super trim adhesive is the ticket, it can take the heat, even 
in hot climates.  I use 77 for the door moisture barriers, because it can pull 
back off.
-- Jim
  
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Re: [MBZ] hood pads (was FCP euro)

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> I thought it was 3M Super 77? I used that on 3 or 4 different pads, worked
> a treat.


Absolutely not.  Super trim adhesive is the ticket, it can take the heat,
even in hot climates.  I use 77 for the door moisture barriers, because it
can pull back off.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] hood pads (was FCP euro)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I thought it was 3M Super 77? I used that on 3 or 4 different pads, worked a 
treat.
-Curt
 

On Saturday, February 17, 2018, 9:29:41 AM EST, Peter Frederick via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 It's been a while since we had this topic discussed, so here's the drill:

3M 8090 only, don't use anything else -- for two reasons:  It stays up, and you 
can get it back off.  Liquid nails will work, but is pure hell to clean off 
enough to get a new pad to stay up, I had this on the old 300D.  Terrible job.

Get the hood as clean as you can, then fit the pad dry.  Get it all tucked in 
and properly positioned, then use a broom or something similar roughly in the 
middle to hold the bottom up and pull the top half down.  Make sure the bottom 
half stays where you want it.

Spray a very light coat of the adhesive on the hood and on the pad.  Repeat 
twice, very light coats.  You don't want a thick gummy layer, it is much more 
likely to fail.  Just enough to coat all the edges of the cells on the pad.

Let it dry until tacky, and carefully press the top half onto the hood, 
starting at the broom or whatever you used.  With a bit of care, it will all 
fit exactly the way you had it before applying adhesive.

Repeat for the bottom half.

With the correct amount of adhesive, it will stay up until it falls apart, both 
of mine have.

The key is light but complete coats of adhesive.  One can should do two hoods 
if that gives you an idea of how much to use.  More is NOT better in this case.



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Re: [MBZ] hood pads (was FCP euro)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I pretty much concur with Peter, but I like to spray/apply adhesive to the 
parts separately.  I mask off the hood and cover the engine compartment with an 
old sheet.  I have a roll of butcher’s paper I put down on the floor where I 
place the pad and spray it.  Once everything sets up (five minutes or more, 
depending on temperature and humidity) I get the pad positioned and just 
lightly tap it in a couple of places to stick.  Once I’m satisfied that it’s in 
position, I press it into place by hand, then go over it in great detail with a 
brayer (hard rubber or wooden roller) to make sure it adheres properly.

I’ve never had one come off - yet.

I’ll have pictures of the process on the blog tonight.

-D

> On Feb 17, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's been a while since we had this topic discussed, so here's the drill:
> 
> 3M 8090 only, don't use anything else -- for two reasons:  It stays up, and 
> you can get it back off.  Liquid nails will work, but is pure hell to clean 
> off enough to get a new pad to stay up, I had this on the old 300D.  Terrible 
> job.
> 
> Get the hood as clean as you can, then fit the pad dry.  Get it all tucked in 
> and properly positioned, then use a broom or something similar roughly in the 
> middle to hold the bottom up and pull the top half down.  Make sure the 
> bottom half stays where you want it.
> 
> Spray a very light coat of the adhesive on the hood and on the pad.  Repeat 
> twice, very light coats.  You don't want a thick gummy layer, it is much more 
> likely to fail.  Just enough to coat all the edges of the cells on the pad.
> 
> Let it dry until tacky, and carefully press the top half onto the hood, 
> starting at the broom or whatever you used.  With a bit of care, it will all 
> fit exactly the way you had it before applying adhesive.
> 
> Repeat for the bottom half.
> 
> With the correct amount of adhesive, it will stay up until it falls apart, 
> both of mine have.
> 
> The key is light but complete coats of adhesive.  One can should do two hoods 
> if that gives you an idea of how much to use.  More is NOT better in this 
> case.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] hood pads (was FCP euro)

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

It's been a while since we had this topic discussed, so here's the drill:

3M 8090 only, don't use anything else -- for two reasons:  It stays up, and you 
can get it back off.  Liquid nails will work, but is pure hell to clean off 
enough to get a new pad to stay up, I had this on the old 300D.  Terrible job.

Get the hood as clean as you can, then fit the pad dry.  Get it all tucked in 
and properly positioned, then use a broom or something similar roughly in the 
middle to hold the bottom up and pull the top half down.  Make sure the bottom 
half stays where you want it.

Spray a very light coat of the adhesive on the hood and on the pad.  Repeat 
twice, very light coats.  You don't want a thick gummy layer, it is much more 
likely to fail.  Just enough to coat all the edges of the cells on the pad.

Let it dry until tacky, and carefully press the top half onto the hood, 
starting at the broom or whatever you used.  With a bit of care, it will all 
fit exactly the way you had it before applying adhesive.

Repeat for the bottom half.

With the correct amount of adhesive, it will stay up until it falls apart, both 
of mine have.

The key is light but complete coats of adhesive.  One can should do two hoods 
if that gives you an idea of how much to use.  More is NOT better in this case.



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Re: [MBZ] hood pads (was FCP euro)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just bought two cans of this:

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/3m-super-trim-adhesive-yellow-19-oz-08090/7160016-P?searchTerm=trim+adhesive

Only stuff I’ll use.  As with anything using adhesives or paint, proper surface 
prep is critical to it performing properly.  As my hood has been scraped of all 
loose gunk, I’ll wipe it down prior to adhesive application with a liberal 
amount of 3M Adhesive Remover.

If you have Advance Auto in the area, they’re the cheapest - you can use a 
promo code to get 20% off.  It ends up being even cheaper than the island of 
large women.


I’ll have pictures of the process up on the blog later today or tonight.

-D



> On Feb 17, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What adhesive do you use for the hood pads? I tried 3m high tack spray, but
> it seems to come loose over the high temp areas of the engine bay.
> 
> On Feb 15, 2018 8:15 AM, "Dan--- via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> Ordered a hood pad and some other bits and bobs for the 400E from them
> early yesterday morning.  Order had free “economy” shipping as it was over
> $50.
> 
> Just got the notification it’s out for delivery today.  Nice.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] hood pads (was FCP euro)

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

What adhesive do you use for the hood pads? I tried 3m high tack spray, but
it seems to come loose over the high temp areas of the engine bay.

On Feb 15, 2018 8:15 AM, "Dan--- via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Ordered a hood pad and some other bits and bobs for the 400E from them
early yesterday morning.  Order had free “economy” shipping as it was over
$50.

Just got the notification it’s out for delivery today.  Nice.

-D

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[MBZ] Hood Pads

[Hans Neureiter]

IT IS NOT the glue.
And the 1/2 sheet of open cell polymer foam really does not do anything.
(Creates a bad image when sitting crumbled on top of the motor after the
hood is opened)
Do you all know why there ar rubber gears used in the speedo?
MB's answer to catch up with the Bentley 1960's sense of 'Luxury
(why is the chauffeur breathing?).

I am driving a  'Luxury' daily beater.

We are loosing the perspective.
In the early 80's, what was good upper income?


-- 
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'82 300SD
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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

[Rich Thomas]

Time to tighten up your perspective.

--R

On 10/24/11 8:25 PM, Hans Neureiter wrote:

We are loosing the perspective.


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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

[Aleph93]

Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

IMHO:
The heat shield is for the higher mounted turbos, like the '85 300D
CA model, as there is nothing between the turbo and the hood. On this
model the air cleaner is mounted in the front passenger side corner.

I have this model, and it needs a heat shield, others shouldn't need it.

Rob
'85 300D CA
Costa Mesa, CA
==


Message: 17
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:48:27 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com


No heat shield is required and Rusty's standard on is fine. Carefull gluing
on use ample 3m spray glue

Tom 1979 240D


Message: 18
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:50:38 -0700
From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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heat shield is for the turbo, since it matters not to the hoodpad if
it is going into any w123. If you have the turbo, you want the
heatsheild.


On 7 Sep 2007, at 10:07, LarryT wrote:

 Howdy -
 I need a hood pad for the '78 240D and noticed Rusty sells one  
 with, and
 one without a heatshield.

 Living in Va I'm not sure I need the heatshield.  While I don't  
 mind
 extra protection, if the heatshield is only needed when traversing  
 Africa in
 high summer, it might be a waste to put it on mine.  But, if it  
 will make
 the AC work easier I'll go for it -

 Comments?

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[ts]

No heat shield is required and Rusty's standard on is fine.  Carefull gluing 
on use ample 3m spray glue

Tom 1979 240D
- Original Message - 
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 Howdy -
I need a hood pad for the '78 240D and noticed Rusty sells one with, 
 and
 one without a heatshield.

Living in Va I'm not sure I need the heatshield.  While I don't mind
 extra protection, if the heatshield is only needed when traversing Africa 
 in
 high summer, it might be a waste to put it on mine.  But, if it will make
 the AC work easier I'll go for it -

Comments?

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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

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heat shield is for the turbo, since it matters not to the hoodpad if  
it is going into any w123.  If you have the turbo, you want the  
heatsheild.


On 7 Sep 2007, at 10:07, LarryT wrote:

 Howdy -
 I need a hood pad for the '78 240D and noticed Rusty sells one  
 with, and
 one without a heatshield.

 Living in Va I'm not sure I need the heatshield.  While I don't  
 mind
 extra protection, if the heatshield is only needed when traversing  
 Africa in
 high summer, it might be a waste to put it on mine.  But, if it  
 will make
 the AC work easier I'll go for it -

 Comments?

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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

[Peter Frederick]

Make sure you use the high temp stuff, not the regular!  I think the 
high temp is product 8090, not all stores have it.

If you use the regular adhesive, it will fall off in a couple months.  
You should be able to get almost two pads glued in with one can, a 
light mist completely covering the metal and the pad are quite enough 
-- I did mine in three passes, very light coats.  You will  not see it 
on the pad, it's open cell foam and the adhesive will vanish.  Just 
spray enough that it will stick to your hand.  Allow to dry for a 
minute or two, until it's quite tacky, and stick on.  Pre-position the 
pad and hold top or bottom in place while doing the other half works 
best.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

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It's not high temp stuff, it's heavy duty stuff.

8089 is the regular adhesive, and 8090 is the heavy
duty.

Dan




--- Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Make sure you use the high temp stuff, not the
 regular!  I think the 
 high temp is product 8090, not all stores have it.
 
 If you use the regular adhesive, it will fall off in
 a couple months.  
 You should be able to get almost two pads glued in
 with one can, a 
 light mist completely covering the metal and the pad
 are quite enough 
 -- I did mine in three passes, very light coats. 
 You will  not see it 
 on the pad, it's open cell foam and the adhesive
 will vanish.  Just 
 spray enough that it will stick to your hand.  Allow
 to dry for a 
 minute or two, until it's quite tacky, and stick on.
  Pre-position the 
 pad and hold top or bottom in place while doing the
 other half works 
 best.
 
 Peter
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:34:59 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's not high temp stuff, it's heavy duty stuff.
 
 8089 is the regular adhesive, and 8090 is the heavy
 duty.
 

I've heard of using Liquid Nails to hold the hood pad on (on this list, in
fact ...).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

[Darrell W. Sigmon]

Liquid Nails is the way to go. It's cheap and gives time to place the pad.

DWS

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads


 On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:34:59 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's not high temp stuff, it's heavy duty stuff.

 8089 is the regular adhesive, and 8090 is the heavy
 duty.


 I've heard of using Liquid Nails to hold the hood pad on (on this list, in
 fact ...).


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

[Peter Frederick]

Liquid nails is both overkill and a HUGE PITA to clean up next time.  
The original wasn't held up by very much adhesive at all -- just use 
the heavy duty/high temperature 3M 8090 and it will stick forever.  
Mine is going on three years now, looks like the day I stuck it up 
there.

Took me about four hours to scrape all the crap off from the previous 
if some is good an inch or two is much better installation.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

[Allan Streib]

I glued my replacement hood pad on with Gorilla Glue.  Still holding
great almost 4 years later.

Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Make sure you use the high temp stuff, not the regular!  I think the 
 high temp is product 8090, not all stores have it.

 If you use the regular adhesive, it will fall off in a couple months.  
 You should be able to get almost two pads glued in with one can, a 
 light mist completely covering the metal and the pad are quite enough 
 -- I did mine in three passes, very light coats.  You will  not see it 
 on the pad, it's open cell foam and the adhesive will vanish.  Just 
 spray enough that it will stick to your hand.  Allow to dry for a 
 minute or two, until it's quite tacky, and stick on.  Pre-position the 
 pad and hold top or bottom in place while doing the other half works 
 best.

 Peter

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[MBZ] Hood Pads

[LarryT]

Howdy -
I need a hood pad for the '78 240D and noticed Rusty sells one with, and 
one without a heatshield.

Living in Va I'm not sure I need the heatshield.  While I don't mind 
extra protection, if the heatshield is only needed when traversing Africa in 
high summer, it might be a waste to put it on mine.  But, if it will make 
the AC work easier I'll go for it -

Comments?

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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

[Mitch Haley]

Craig McCluskey wrote:
 I think the one with the heat shield is for turbo cars and the one
 without is for naturally aspirated cars.

Right. I don't think the foam would last very long on a turbo car
without the foil shield if you keep up with your Italian tuneups.

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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:07:57 -0400 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Howdy -
 I need a hood pad for the '78 240D and noticed Rusty sells one with,
 and one without a heatshield.
 
 Living in Va I'm not sure I need the heatshield.  While I don't mind
 extra protection, if the heatshield is only needed when traversing
 Africa in  high summer, it might be a waste to put it on mine.  But, if
 it will make  the AC work easier I'll go for it -

I think the one with the heat shield is for turbo cars and the one
without is for naturally aspirated cars.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

[Robert Tara Ludwick]

The heat shield isn't for keeping the sun out, it's for keeping the heat 
under the hood and the paint on your hood.
It would be worth a few extra bucks for a little extra protection in the 
long run.

--Robert

LarryT wrote:
 Howdy -
 I need a hood pad for the '78 240D and noticed Rusty sells one with, and 
 one without a heatshield.

 Living in Va I'm not sure I need the heatshield.  While I don't mind 
 extra protection, if the heatshield is only needed when traversing Africa in 
 high summer, it might be a waste to put it on mine.  But, if it will make 
 the AC work easier I'll go for it -

 Comments?

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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads

[Luther]

Isn't it mostly for the extra turbo heat?  Might be a bit mute if he's got a 
240.

Luther

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:54:19 -0500, Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 The heat shield isn't for keeping the sun out, it's for keeping the heat
 under the hood and the paint on your hood.
 It would be worth a few extra bucks for a little extra protection in the
 long run.

 --Robert

 LarryT wrote:
 Howdy -
 I need a hood pad for the '78 240D and noticed Rusty sells one with, and
 one without a heatshield.

 Living in Va I'm not sure I need the heatshield.  While I don't mind
 extra protection, if the heatshield is only needed when traversing Africa in
 high summer, it might be a waste to put it on mine.  But, if it will make
 the AC work easier I'll go for it -

 Comments?

 Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
 www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
 Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
 PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
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'82 300CD (166 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
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