Re: [MBZ] I would sure love to know what the hell this guy is talking about
sounds like a bunch of wankers... ;-) Sincerely, Larry On 3/5/2014 12:35 PM, G Mann wrote: Is that the V8 turbo diesel wanker engine I've heard so little about... ;)) But... does the air blow cold? And what kind of oil does it run on now, cooking oil? Not the car for me.. the ex-wife never cooked, so no cooking oil to run it on.. hahaha Where do these people come from ? Is there a special race call The mechanically ignorant that I don't know about? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: He is confused -- it actually has the Wanker engine in it. --R On 3/4/14 8:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4359764976.html -- Sent from cPRO for iPhone, iPod and iPad Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I would sure love to know what the hell this guy is talking about
I'm guessing it is the extremely rare Zundfogel diesel engine --R On 3/6/14 6:47 AM, Larry T wrote: sounds like a bunch of wankers... ;-) Sincerely, Larry On 3/5/2014 12:35 PM, G Mann wrote: Is that the V8 turbo diesel wanker engine I've heard so little about... ;)) But... does the air blow cold? And what kind of oil does it run on now, cooking oil? Not the car for me.. the ex-wife never cooked, so no cooking oil to run it on.. hahaha Where do these people come from ? Is there a special race call The mechanically ignorant that I don't know about? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: He is confused -- it actually has the Wanker engine in it. --R On 3/4/14 8:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4359764976.html -- Sent from cPRO for iPhone, iPod and iPad Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There was no wankel diesel. There was a diesel, and there were Wankels used in the C111. The Wankels were gas engines. Jaime On Wednesday, March 5, 2014, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: On 3/5/2014 9:14 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Kaleb, He is probably kin to one of those folks I've seen list a 123 300D as having a V-6 engine. Or that a 116 300SD has an inline 6 cylinder engine. It never surprises me how many people try to sell a vehicle without knowing what they've been driving and what's under the hood. Roger Roger Hale You're probably right, BUT, Mercedes did try several Wankel diesel engines in their test bed C-111. Since the Wankel was tried just before they tried the diesels in the C-111, a Mercedes diesel Wankel might bolt right up to a transmission of that era. If so, someone might have gotten hold of an MB diesel Wankel engine and put it in this car without too much major adaptation. He claims to have replaced seals and main bearings. That is about all there is to replace in a Wankel and main bearings are seldom replaced in a standard Mercedes diesel without replacing other engine parts, so he seems to know something about Wankel engines. If it's not a Wankel, why is the guy saying it is when he could more easily sell the car with a standard diesel at that price? Kaleb ought to go out there and buy it if it is a Wankel. It would be an interesting addition to his fleet. Here's a description of MBs Wankel experiments: The *C111* was a series of experimental automobiles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile produced by Mercedes-Benz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz in the 1960s and 1970s. The company was experimenting with new engine technologies, including Wankel engines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine, Diesel engines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine, and turbochargers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger, and used the basic C111 platform as a testbed. Other experimental features included gullwing doors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullwing_door and a luxurious interior with leather trim and air conditioning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Air_conditioning. The first version of the C111 http://emercedesbenz.com/ Jul08/31_001312_eMercedesBenz_Feature_A_Look_Back_At_The_ Mercedes_Benz_C_111_Research_Vehicle.html was completed in 1969. It used a fiberglass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiberglass body shell and had a three-rotor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M950F direct fuel injected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_injected Wankel engine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine (code named M950F http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M950F) mounted in the middle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MR_layout. The next C111 appeared in 1970. It used a four-rotor engine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Mercedes-Benz_M950F producing 370 hp (275 kW). The car could reportedly hit 290 km/h (180 mph). The company decided not to adopt the Wankel engine and turned to Diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine experiments for the second and third C111. The C111-IID produced 190 horsepower (140 kW) and was based on the 240D 3.0 W115 model OM617 engine. The C111-III was powered by a 230 horsepower (170 kW) @ 4,500rpm straight-5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Straight-5 OM617 turbodiesel which broke nine diesel and gas speed records. With more aerodynamic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodynamic bodywork that gave it an air drag coefficient http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient of .191^[/citation needed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed/] , the C111 eventually hit 200 mph (322 km/h) at Nardò http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Nard%C3%B2_Ring in 1978, and averaged 14.7mpg@ 316 km/h (195.4 mph) over a 12 hour cruise. A later 500 hp (372 kW) 4.8 L twin KKK-turbocharged V8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine version set another record, with an average lap-speed of 403.78 km/h (250.958 mph). It was achieved by Dr. Hans Leibold in 1 minute, 56.67 seconds on May 5, 1979. From: Wiki Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There was no wankel diesel. There was a diesel, and there were Wankels used in the C111. The Wankels were gas engines. I suppose there could be, but given that tip (and face) seals are the Wankel's weak point, going from 8:1 to 20:1 compression probably is, how do they say, contraindicated. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Does it have the 710 or Oel cap on it? Hendrik who does not have Wankel engine On 07/03/14 00:48, Rich Thomas wrote: I'm guessing it is the extremely rare Zundfogel diesel engine --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't believe a 20:1 compression ratio is actually possible in a Wankel. Just not enough space to move the rotor that much. Seal problems were more or less fixed by the end of the life of the Mazda RX series, the last ones to use a rotary engine in the US, but emissions were terrible as was milage. A real hoot to drive, though. My old college roommate had one for a brief period, until the seal wear got so bad you had to pour gasoline down the intake to get it to start. My buddy Hans says the only real problem with them was they only work well about 8,000 rpm and they are just geared way too low, but I think it's another brilliant idea that died in engineering complications. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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*Rolls* *Royce* *Motor* *Car* *Division* *pioneered* a *two-stage* ... *Rolls* *Royce* R6 *two stage* *Wankel* *Diesel* *engine*. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine - There was no wankel diesel. There was a diesel, and there were Wankels used in the C111. The Wankels were gas engines. I suppose there could be, but given that tip (and face) seals are the Wankel's weak point, going from 8:1 to 20:1 compression probably is, how do they say, contraindicated. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb, He is probably kin to one of those folks I've seen list a 123 300D as having a V-6 engine. Or that a 116 300SD has an inline 6 cylinder engine. It never surprises me how many people try to sell a vehicle without knowing what they've been driving and what's under the hood. Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He is confused -- it actually has the Wanker engine in it. --R On 3/4/14 8:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4359764976.html -- Sent from cPRO for iPhone, iPod and iPad Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I knew that was coming, we can always depend on you Rich... Lunch on Friday work for you? Need to return the spring compressor. On March 5, 2014 9:47:44 AM EST, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: He is confused -- it actually has the Wanker engine in it. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Is that the V8 turbo diesel wanker engine I've heard so little about... ;)) But... does the air blow cold? And what kind of oil does it run on now, cooking oil? Not the car for me.. the ex-wife never cooked, so no cooking oil to run it on.. hahaha Where do these people come from ? Is there a special race call The mechanically ignorant that I don't know about? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: He is confused -- it actually has the Wanker engine in it. --R On 3/4/14 8:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4359764976.html -- Sent from cPRO for iPhone, iPod and iPad Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I would sure love to know what the hell this guy is talking about
On 3/5/2014 9:14 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Kaleb, He is probably kin to one of those folks I've seen list a 123 300D as having a V-6 engine. Or that a 116 300SD has an inline 6 cylinder engine. It never surprises me how many people try to sell a vehicle without knowing what they've been driving and what's under the hood. Roger Roger Hale You're probably right, BUT, Mercedes did try several Wankel diesel engines in their test bed C-111. Since the Wankel was tried just before they tried the diesels in the C-111, a Mercedes diesel Wankel might bolt right up to a transmission of that era. If so, someone might have gotten hold of an MB diesel Wankel engine and put it in this car without too much major adaptation. He claims to have replaced seals and main bearings. That is about all there is to replace in a Wankel and main bearings are seldom replaced in a standard Mercedes diesel without replacing other engine parts, so he seems to know something about Wankel engines. If it's not a Wankel, why is the guy saying it is when he could more easily sell the car with a standard diesel at that price? Kaleb ought to go out there and buy it if it is a Wankel. It would be an interesting addition to his fleet. Here's a description of MBs Wankel experiments: The *C111* was a series of experimental automobiles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile produced by Mercedes-Benz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz in the 1960s and 1970s. The company was experimenting with new engine technologies, including Wankel engines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine, Diesel engines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine, and turbochargers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger, and used the basic C111 platform as a testbed. Other experimental features included gullwing doors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullwing_door and a luxurious interior with leather trim and air conditioning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_conditioning. The first version of the C111 http://emercedesbenz.com/Jul08/31_001312_eMercedesBenz_Feature_A_Look_Back_At_The_Mercedes_Benz_C_111_Research_Vehicle.html was completed in 1969. It used a fiberglass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiberglass body shell and had a three-rotor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M950F direct fuel injected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_injected Wankel engine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine (code named M950F http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M950F) mounted in the middle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MR_layout. The next C111 appeared in 1970. It used a four-rotor engine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M950F producing 370 hp (275 kW). The car could reportedly hit 290 km/h (180 mph). The company decided not to adopt the Wankel engine and turned to Diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine experiments for the second and third C111. The C111-IID produced 190 horsepower (140 kW) and was based on the 240D 3.0 W115 model OM617 engine. The C111-III was powered by a 230 horsepower (170 kW) @ 4,500rpm straight-5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-5 OM617 turbodiesel which broke nine diesel and gas speed records. With more aerodynamic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodynamic bodywork that gave it an air drag coefficient http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient of .191^[/citation needed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed/] , the C111 eventually hit 200 mph (322 km/h) at Nardò http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nard%C3%B2_Ring in 1978, and averaged 14.7mpg@ 316 km/h (195.4 mph) over a 12 hour cruise. A later 500 hp (372 kW) 4.8 L twin KKK-turbocharged V8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine version set another record, with an average lap-speed of 403.78 km/h (250.958 mph). It was achieved by Dr. Hans Leibold in 1 minute, 56.67 seconds on May 5, 1979. From: Wiki Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You can run it on straight used oil. Just go to MacD's and get a 5 gallon bucket from the fryer and pour it right in. --R (you get fries with that too) On 3/5/14 12:35 PM, G Mann wrote: And what kind of oil does it run on now, cooking oil? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gerry, You may be right about this. On the other hand, if he has something that limited and special, don't you think he'd promote it more and ask more for it? Just doesn't seem to fit. Anyway, thanks for the history lesson. I was totally unaware of this info. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I remember the C111 with the wankel engine, and later testing what became the OM60x engines and turbos. They probably used it to test the OM617 turbo right after the wankel. There was a lot of Diesel development right after the fuel shortage of 1974 Ooops.. Sorry Gerry, You may be right about this. On the other hand, if he has something that limited and special, don't you think he'd promote it more and ask more for it? Just doesn't seem to fit. Anyway, thanks for the history lesson. I was totally unaware of this info. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4359764976.html -- Sent from cPRO for iPhone, iPod and iPad Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He would probably like to know what he's talking about as well - he obviously doesn't have a clue. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4359764976.html -- -- OK Don There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
