Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

You tempt me. I bet it’s something simple 

—FT

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> On Mar 13, 2024, at 8:05 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here’s one for the Klebs:
> 
> 
> [00T0T_7CobrpPdj58_0t20CI_600x450.jpg]
> 2008 mercedes benz ml350 for sale by owner - Odessa, FL - 
> craigslist
> tampa.craigslist.org
> 
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[MBZ] Kleb Car?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Here’s one for the Klebs:


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2008 mercedes benz ml350 for sale by owner - Odessa, FL - 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Looks decent. Price not crazy in relation to current asks

--FT
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> On Jan 17, 2024, at 6:04 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> [00404_hLVdLGBmrx7_0t20CI_600x450.jpg]
> 1985 mercedes 300d diesel for sale by owner - Longwood, FL - 
> craigslist
> orlando.craigslist.org
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ran when parked in 1999.

On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 6:41 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Could be a decent deal
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 17, 2024, at 5:04 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > <
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/longwood-mercedes-300d-1985/7708527287.html
> >
> > [00404_hLVdLGBmrx7_0t20CI_600x450.jpg]
> > 1985 mercedes 300d diesel for sale by owner - Longwood, FL - craigslist<
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/longwood-mercedes-300d-1985/7708527287.html
> >
> > orlando.craigslist.org<
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/longwood-mercedes-300d-1985/7708527287.html
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Could be a decent deal 

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> On Jan 17, 2024, at 5:04 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> 
> [00404_hLVdLGBmrx7_0t20CI_600x450.jpg]
> 1985 mercedes 300d diesel for sale by owner - Longwood, FL - 
> craigslist
> orlando.craigslist.org
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[MBZ] Kleb Car?

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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Cheaper than a $5 Craigslist listing.

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:23 PM mitch--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hey! This is a loading zone. You can't park here!
> We're not parking it. We're abandoning it.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GPNuZ1SaSI
>
>
> On 2024-01-12 13:13, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > When my dad was at Harvard he got so sick of driving in Boston that one
> > day he just parked on some side street and walked away. He never heard
> > anything more about it and had no idea what happened to the car.
>
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Hey! This is a loading zone. You can't park here!
We're not parking it. We're abandoning it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GPNuZ1SaSI


On 2024-01-12 13:13, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
When my dad was at Harvard he got so sick of driving in Boston that one 
day he just parked on some side street and walked away. He never heard 
anything more about it and had no idea what happened to the car.




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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

I have ridden in a few Pintos starting in the early 1980’s. The first one was 
my sister’s then boyfriend’s 1972 runabout with a manual transmission. It was a 
good first car for him. Not long afterward, my dad got the Pinto bug and found 
a 1974 Pinto Wagon with no engine. The plan was to put a 1962 Ford Galaxy 260 
V8 engine into it, but he couldn’t obtain a title. He then found a 1972 Pinto 
wagon 2.0l automatic with a wrecked front end. The now parts car had everything 
needed to restore the wreck to family car status. My two older sisters had 
moved out, so the much larger 1975 Grand Torino wagon was sold off for some 
extra money and replaced by the fuel sipping Pinto. Mom didn’t really care to 
drive my youngest sister and I around in a brown and wood panel Pinto wagon 
with a blue front end, but she did it for well over a year until Dad found his 
next car, a 1971 Buick boat tail Riviera. Nearly 20 years later in around 2000, 
Dad got the Pinto bug once again and found a 1978 Pinto wagon, orange with a 
primer front end. After test driving it, Mom asked “you aren’t going to buy 
that ugly thing, are you?” $200 later, Dad and I were rolling down the road in 
the old Pinto. After  Dad replaced the timing belt and I installed the new cat 
converter, it ran even better! Then, about a year later, he found a $500, much 
better looking 1979 Bobcat. We put new ball joints  and suspension bushings on 
it and bombed it around until the next one popped up, a 1980 Pinto Wagon with 
80K original miles! All of these were the later 2.3L engines with manual 
transmissions. It was the nicest of all of them. My guide dog, Joel didn’t like 
getting into these old Pintos, and he would slide around in the back no matter 
what kind of mats we tried. Then, we found a much more suitable vehicle, a 1987 
Voyager van. Joel had the back seat all to himself, but he wasn’t truly 
comfortable until I took the leap and purchased our first Diesel Mercedes, a 
1978 300D. He would lie on the back seat with his head facing the passenger 
rear door, and he would rest his chin on the door armrest and go to sleep with 
his nose poking forward between the door panel and the grab handle. I wish he 
would have made his automotive tastes known much sooner!!!

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> On Jan 12, 2024, at 10:57 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> A friend of a friend had a Pinto back in the day. The story goes that it was 
> the most gutless, slowest piece of trash he had ever driven.
> 
> So the day comes to replace it, the dealer won't take the Pinto on trade so 
> he decides to junk it. On the ride to the junkyard he decides, since its 
> being junked anyway, to just peg it to redline the whole way.
> After a few minutes there is some kind of a poof, bang or maybe explosion, 
> stories differ but suddenly the car runs waay better. A few minutes later 
> a big cloud of black shoots out the exhaust pipe and the car runs even 
> better, better than it has the whole time the guy has owned it. All the power 
> a Pinto could possibly have.
> 
> Literally blew the carbon out...
> 
> IIRC instead of junking it he sells it to one of his buddies, I don't 
> remember exactly.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 09:06:19 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Blows out the carbon as my dad used to say
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure I'm keen about it being redlined for an hour, driving to 
>> Cottonwood. That can’t be good for it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> $600, throw in a new conductor plate and off you go
>>> --FT
 On 1/11/24 5:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the driver’s 
 seat, I think I know what local Mexican restaurant they frequent, too!!
 
 [00P0P_7XrXRsp2m2R_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
 2002 Mercedes-Benz CLK430 for sale by owner - Flagstaff, AZ - 
 craigslist
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

In fact, I’d be hard pressed to pick one I wouldn’t mind having a pristine 
sample of. 

AZBob

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> On Jan 12, 2024, at 5:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Careful, there.
> 
> One thing your Dad has going for him - he’s consistent!
> 
> My first car, despite having driven a bunch of VW Beetles, was a 1970 light 
> blue Ford Maverick two-door. Very spartan, as they were, with a heater, bench 
> seat (nice!!), and an AM radio. Three on the tree, venerable 170 CI inline 
> six, weird power-assisted steering. I think I had it for about six months 
> until I lost control driving on an icy road near my house and planted it 
> firmly into the base of a very large tree, which to it’s testament, is still 
> alive today. The tree, that is.
> 
> The guy I worked for when I was in trade school had an early/mid-60s Comet 
> that had belonged to his mother, G-d rest her soul. We used it for running 
> parts. “Spartan” was not an adjective that properly described that car. I 
> recall it having a HUGE steering wheel and (of course) no power steering. I 
> don’t think it had a radio. Great car, really solid, but very, uh, stark.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 6:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My dad and my uncle were cursing how expensive cars are today and how things 
>> were better "back in the day."
>> 
>> I pointed out that any cheap crap car you buy today will last 10 years and 
>> 200,000 miles with just basic maintenance while "Those good cars" were junk 
>> at 5-7 years.
>> 
>> For example, my folks bought a brand new Mercury Lynx (Ford Escort) in 1983. 
>> By 1988 it was junk, the body had rusted "to the windshield" as they say in 
>> Maine. The engine would quit every time you drove in the rain. It'd start 
>> and go fine for about 5 minutes, then just quit. Roll to a stop, wait 5 
>> minutes and it was good to go the rest of the day. "Good car" my ass.
>> 
>> Of course my dad has the absolute worst taste in cars. He had (in no 
>> particular order) an Maverick, the same generation Comet, Pinto, Vega, the 
>> Lynx and 2 Tempos... All crap.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 02:58:03 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My co-worker at the USGS bought a new 1977 Ford Maverick, to go with his
>> 1976 TR7.  Both cars were absolute POSes (POSs?).
>> 
>> Whereas my 1976 Chevette - purchased at full list price of $3660 - lasted
>> with no real issues for 7 years.  Sold it to the trash guys for $350 and we
>> purchased our first Mercedes, a 1973 280, for $4700.  Sold the 280 a year
>> later for $4850.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:49 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior
>>> - automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
>>> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what
>>> happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the
>>> yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel
>>> mileage.
>>> 
>>> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver,
>>> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father
>>> had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two
>>> tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother
>>> learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it
>>> to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no
>>> undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The
>>> body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom
>>> was flaking.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
 
 < Hi, Dan! >
 
 Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange
>>> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local
>>> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went
>>> to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out
>>> with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way
>>> down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his
>>> direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete
>>> curb.
 
 Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full
>>> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young
>>> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car.
>>> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that,
>>> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration
>>> to big brother.
 
 I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires.
>>> ?
 
 

Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Careful, there.

One thing your Dad has going for him - he’s consistent!

My first car, despite having driven a bunch of VW Beetles, was a 1970 light 
blue Ford Maverick two-door. Very spartan, as they were, with a heater, bench 
seat (nice!!), and an AM radio. Three on the tree, venerable 170 CI inline six, 
weird power-assisted steering. I think I had it for about six months until I 
lost control driving on an icy road near my house and planted it firmly into 
the base of a very large tree, which to it’s testament, is still alive today. 
The tree, that is.

The guy I worked for when I was in trade school had an early/mid-60s Comet that 
had belonged to his mother, G-d rest her soul. We used it for running parts. 
“Spartan” was not an adjective that properly described that car. I recall it 
having a HUGE steering wheel and (of course) no power steering. I don’t think 
it had a radio. Great car, really solid, but very, uh, stark.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 6:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My dad and my uncle were cursing how expensive cars are today and how things 
> were better "back in the day."
> 
> I pointed out that any cheap crap car you buy today will last 10 years and 
> 200,000 miles with just basic maintenance while "Those good cars" were junk 
> at 5-7 years.
> 
> For example, my folks bought a brand new Mercury Lynx (Ford Escort) in 1983. 
> By 1988 it was junk, the body had rusted "to the windshield" as they say in 
> Maine. The engine would quit every time you drove in the rain. It'd start and 
> go fine for about 5 minutes, then just quit. Roll to a stop, wait 5 minutes 
> and it was good to go the rest of the day. "Good car" my ass.
> 
> Of course my dad has the absolute worst taste in cars. He had (in no 
> particular order) an Maverick, the same generation Comet, Pinto, Vega, the 
> Lynx and 2 Tempos... All crap.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 02:58:03 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My co-worker at the USGS bought a new 1977 Ford Maverick, to go with his
> 1976 TR7.  Both cars were absolute POSes (POSs?).
> 
> Whereas my 1976 Chevette - purchased at full list price of $3660 - lasted
> with no real issues for 7 years.  Sold it to the trash guys for $350 and we
> purchased our first Mercedes, a 1973 280, for $4700.  Sold the 280 a year
> later for $4850.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:49 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior
>> - automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
>> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what
>> happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the
>> yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel
>> mileage.
>> 
>> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver,
>> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father
>> had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two
>> tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother
>> learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it
>> to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no
>> undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The
>> body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom
>> was flaking.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
>>> 
>>> < Hi, Dan! >
>>> 
>>> Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange
>> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local
>> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went
>> to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out
>> with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way
>> down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his
>> direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete
>> curb.
>>> 
>>> Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full
>> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young
>> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car.
>> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that,
>> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration
>> to big brother.
>>> 
>>> I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires.
>> ?
>>> 
>>> Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in
>> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in
>> the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and
>> a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was
>> as good as new. I went 

Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hideous. Everything that was wrong with American cars during the malaise era.

-Curt




On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 03:54:03 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





On 12/01/2024 2:34 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way, other 
> than it's better than walking.
>
Now, come on - it wasn't that bad. It was actually quite stylish 
compared to the 4 door and it had a decent cloth interior with bucket seats.

It was quite enjoyable to drive and I would have kept it much longer 
except for the fact that the one I had did not have undercoating of any 
sort and had been subjected to road salt in the winters before I got it 
from my mother.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mercury_Zephyr_Z7.jpg


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My dad and my uncle were cursing how expensive cars are today and how things 
were better "back in the day."

I pointed out that any cheap crap car you buy today will last 10 years and 
200,000 miles with just basic maintenance while "Those good cars" were junk at 
5-7 years.

For example, my folks bought a brand new Mercury Lynx (Ford Escort) in 1983. By 
1988 it was junk, the body had rusted "to the windshield" as they say in Maine. 
The engine would quit every time you drove in the rain. It'd start and go fine 
for about 5 minutes, then just quit. Roll to a stop, wait 5 minutes and it was 
good to go the rest of the day. "Good car" my ass.

Of course my dad has the absolute worst taste in cars. He had (in no particular 
order) an Maverick, the same generation Comet, Pinto, Vega, the Lynx and 2 
Tempos... All crap.

-Curt


On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 02:58:03 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





My co-worker at the USGS bought a new 1977 Ford Maverick, to go with his
1976 TR7.  Both cars were absolute POSes (POSs?).

Whereas my 1976 Chevette - purchased at full list price of $3660 - lasted
with no real issues for 7 years.  Sold it to the trash guys for $350 and we
purchased our first Mercedes, a 1973 280, for $4700.  Sold the 280 a year
later for $4850.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:49 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior
> - automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what
> happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the
> yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel
> mileage.
>
> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver,
> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father
> had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two
> tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother
> learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it
> to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no
> undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The
> body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom
> was flaking.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
> >
> > < Hi, Dan! >
> >
> > Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange
> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local
> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went
> to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out
> with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way
> down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his
> direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete
> curb.
> >
> > Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full
> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young
> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car.
> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that,
> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration
> to big brother.
> >
> > I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires.
> ?
> >
> > Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in
> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in
> the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and
> a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was
> as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case,
> as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold it to me anyway
> without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big brother had to
> reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
> >
> > I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly
> spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very
> popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of
> the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing
> some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.
> >
> > Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got
> rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling
> it at the time.
> >
> > -D
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Lee Iacocca’s “K-car.” Stole the font for the trunk badging right out from 
under MB.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 4:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> At some point Chrysler (I think) copied the Mercedes styling almost exactly, 
> down to the font of the trunk badge model number and placing their pentagram 
> where the star would be. I always wondered how they got away with it.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:55, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> My buddy in college had a Granada. Looks like a Mercedes!  It got us 
>> around as it had room for 6. I think at some point it just imploded. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way, 
>>> other than it's better than walking.
>>> 
 On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:19, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Big brother’s Ford Fairmont was a two-door model as well. I thought it
 was butt ugly. I don’t recall much about it, as I don’t even think he
 was still living at home by that point. I rarely saw him or the car at
 the time.
 
 -D
 
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior 
> - automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what 
> happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the 
> yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel 
> mileage.
> 
> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver, 
> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father 
> had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two 
> tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother 
> learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it 
> to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no 
> undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The 
> body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom 
> was flaking.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
>> 
>> < Hi, Dan! >
>> 
>> Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange 
>> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local 
>> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it 
>> went to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a 
>> night out with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it 
>> the wrong way down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon 
>> realizing his direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. 
>> Into a 12” concrete curb.
>> 
>> Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full 
>> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young 
>> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. 
>> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, 
>> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some 
>> consideration to big brother.
>> 
>> I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. 
>> ?
>> 
>> Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in 
>> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit 
>> in the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me 
>> $200 and a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, 
>> and it was as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and 
>> pleaded my case, as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold 
>> it to me anyway without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so 
>> big brother had to reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
>> 
>> I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly 
>> spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, 
>> very popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in 
>> Capris of the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, 
>> even placing some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It 
>> ran quite well.
>> 
>> Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got 
>> rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems 
>> selling it at the time.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 12/01/2024 3:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

At some point Chrysler (I think) copied the Mercedes styling almost exactly, 
down to the font of the trunk badge model number and placing their pentagram 
where the star would be. I always wondered how they got away with it.

Lexus went down that road too. The big 4 door sedan around 2000 really 
looked like a Mercedes to me.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I still have my one and only Mercedes and you folks have heard all about 
it more than once.


Randy


On 12/01/2024 3:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

It might be amusing if each of us wrote a brief essay about their FIRST
Mercedes, either to purchase or as a family car.




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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It might be amusing if each of us wrote a brief essay about their FIRST
Mercedes, either to purchase or as a family car.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 4:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> At some point Chrysler (I think) copied the Mercedes styling almost
> exactly, down to the font of the trunk badge model number and placing their
> pentagram where the star would be. I always wondered how they got away with
> it.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:55, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> > My buddy in college had a Granada. Looks like a Mercedes!  It got us
> > around as it had room for 6. I think at some point it just imploded.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> >> On Jan 12, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way,
> other than it's better than walking.
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:19, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Big brother’s Ford Fairmont was a two-door model as well. I thought it
> >>> was butt ugly. I don’t recall much about it, as I don’t even think he
> >>> was still living at home by that point. I rarely saw him or the car at
> >>> the time.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> > On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black
> interior - automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
>  I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what
> happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the
> yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel
> mileage.
> 
>  The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car &
> Driver, maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My
> father had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 -
> two tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother
> learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it to
> me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no
> undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The body
> and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom was
> flaking.
> 
>  Randy
> 
> 
>  On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
> >
> > < Hi, Dan! >
> >
> > Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright
> orange with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the
> local Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then
> it went to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a
> night out with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the
> wrong way down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon
> realizing his direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into
> a 12” concrete curb.
> >
> > Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school
> full time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most
> young couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a
> car. Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that,
> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration
> to big brother.
> >
> > I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front
> tires. ?
> >
> > Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in
> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in
> the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and
> a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was
> as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case,
> as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold it to me anyway
> without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big brother had to
> reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
> >
> > I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable,
> certainly spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great
> mill, very popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in
> Capris of the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even
> placing some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite
> well.
> >
> > Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I
> got rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems
> selling it at the time.
> >
> > -D
> >
> 
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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

At some point Chrysler (I think) copied the Mercedes styling almost exactly, 
down to the font of the trunk badge model number and placing their pentagram 
where the star would be. I always wondered how they got away with it.


On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:55, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> My buddy in college had a Granada. Looks like a Mercedes!  It got us 
> around as it had room for 6. I think at some point it just imploded. 
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way, other 
>> than it's better than walking.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:19, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Big brother’s Ford Fairmont was a two-door model as well. I thought it
>>> was butt ugly. I don’t recall much about it, as I don’t even think he
>>> was still living at home by that point. I rarely saw him or the car at
>>> the time.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior - 
 automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
 I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what 
 happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the 
 yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel 
 mileage.
 
 The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver, 
 maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father 
 had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two 
 tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother 
 learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it 
 to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no 
 undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The 
 body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom 
 was flaking.
 
 Randy
 
 
 On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
> 
> < Hi, Dan! >
> 
> Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange 
> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local 
> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it 
> went to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a 
> night out with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it 
> the wrong way down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon 
> realizing his direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. 
> Into a 12” concrete curb.
> 
> Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full 
> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young 
> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. 
> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, 
> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some 
> consideration to big brother.
> 
> I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. 
> ?
> 
> Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in 
> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in 
> the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 
> and a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it 
> was as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my 
> case, as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold it to me 
> anyway without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big 
> brother had to reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
> 
> I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly 
> spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very 
> popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris 
> of the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even 
> placing some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran 
> quite well.
> 
> Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got 
> rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling 
> it at the time.
> 
> -D
> 
 
 
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On 12/01/2024 2:55 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

My buddy in college had a Granada. Looks like a Mercedes!  It got us around as 
it had room for 6. I think at some point it just imploded.

--FT


I had a 1977 Mercury Monarch 2 dr. It looked nice - White with a white 
half vinyl top and the opera windows. Red interior - bucket seats etc. 
We bought it new and kept it a long time but it was not a great car. The 
Zephyr I referred to earlier was better in many ways. It was a few years 
newer and had rack and pinion steering and handled quite well.


The Monarch handled poorly. It had the old style power steering with the 
hydraulic cylinder attached to the linkage rather than the newer style 
with the actual power steering box. I think I rebuilt the linkage where 
the cylinder attached to a ball type joint 3 times. The rest of the car 
was OK. The engine and transmission were fine and it did not rust badly. 
It was just not much fun to drive.


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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

My buddy in college had a Granada. Looks like a Mercedes!  It got us around as 
it had room for 6. I think at some point it just imploded. 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way, other 
> than it's better than walking.
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:19, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Big brother’s Ford Fairmont was a two-door model as well. I thought it
>> was butt ugly. I don’t recall much about it, as I don’t even think he
>> was still living at home by that point. I rarely saw him or the car at
>> the time.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior - 
>>> automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
>>> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what happened 
>>> to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the yard. It was 
>>> not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel mileage.
>>> 
>>> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver, 
>>> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father had 
>>> the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two tone 
>>> grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother learned to 
>>> drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it to me and I 
>>> drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no undercoating on 
>>> it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The body and interior 
>>> did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom was flaking.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
 
 < Hi, Dan! >
 
 Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange 
 with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local 
 Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it 
 went to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night 
 out with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong 
 way down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his 
 direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” 
 concrete curb.
 
 Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full 
 time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young 
 couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. 
 Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, 
 too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration 
 to big brother.
 
 I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. 
 ?
 
 Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in 
 Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in 
 the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 
 and a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it 
 was as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my 
 case, as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold it to me 
 anyway without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big 
 brother had to reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
 
 I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly 
 spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very 
 popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of 
 the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing 
 some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.
 
 Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got 
 rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling 
 it at the time.
 
 -D
 
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On 12/01/2024 2:34 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way, other 
than it's better than walking.

Now, come on - it wasn't that bad. It was actually quite stylish 
compared to the 4 door and it had a decent cloth interior with bucket seats.


It was quite enjoyable to drive and I would have kept it much longer 
except for the fact that the one I had did not have undercoating of any 
sort and had been subjected to road salt in the winters before I got it 
from my mother.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mercury_Zephyr_Z7.jpg

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There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way, other 
than it's better than walking.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:19, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Big brother’s Ford Fairmont was a two-door model as well. I thought it 
> was butt ugly. I don’t recall much about it, as I don’t even think he 
> was still living at home by that point. I rarely saw him or the car at 
> the time.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior - 
>> automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
>> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what happened 
>> to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the yard. It was 
>> not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel mileage.
>> 
>> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver, 
>> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father had 
>> the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two tone 
>> grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother learned to 
>> drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it to me and I 
>> drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no undercoating on 
>> it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The body and interior did 
>> not look like it had ever been used but the bottom was flaking.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
>>> 
>>> < Hi, Dan! >
>>> 
>>> Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange 
>>> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local 
>>> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went 
>>> to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out 
>>> with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way 
>>> down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his 
>>> direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete 
>>> curb.
>>> 
>>> Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full 
>>> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young 
>>> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. 
>>> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, 
>>> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration 
>>> to big brother.
>>> 
>>> I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>> Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in 
>>> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in 
>>> the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and 
>>> a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was 
>>> as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case, 
>>> as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold it to me anyway 
>>> without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big brother had to 
>>> reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
>>> 
>>> I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly 
>>> spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very 
>>> popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of 
>>> the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing 
>>> some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.
>>> 
>>> Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got 
>>> rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling 
>>> it at the time.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Big brother’s Ford Fairmont was a two-door model as well. I thought it was butt 
ugly. I don’t recall much about it, as I don’t even think he was still living 
at home by that point. I rarely saw him or the car at the time.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior - 
> automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what happened 
> to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the yard. It was 
> not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel mileage.
> 
> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver, 
> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father had 
> the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two tone grey 
> with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother learned to drive 
> on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it to me and I drove if 
> for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no undercoating on it and it 
> was rusting something fierce underneath. The body and interior did not look 
> like it had ever been used but the bottom was flaking.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
>> 
>> < Hi, Dan! >
>> 
>> Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange with 
>> the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local Ford 
>> dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went to my 
>> older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out with the 
>> guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way down a 
>> one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his direction 
>> conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete curb.
>> 
>> Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full 
>> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young 
>> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. 
>> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, too!) 
>> and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration to big 
>> brother.
>> 
>> I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. 
>> ?
>> 
>> Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in Indianapolis. 
>> The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in the right front 
>> corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and a day for them 
>> to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was as good as new. I 
>> went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case, as in big brother 
>> knew the car was defective but sold it to me anyway without disclosing the 
>> damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big brother had to reimburse me for the 
>> repairs. Yeah!
>> 
>> I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly 
>> spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very 
>> popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of 
>> the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing 
>> some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.
>> 
>> Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got rid 
>> of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling it at 
>> the time.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My co-worker at the USGS bought a new 1977 Ford Maverick, to go with his
1976 TR7.  Both cars were absolute POSes (POSs?).

Whereas my 1976 Chevette - purchased at full list price of $3660 - lasted
with no real issues for 7 years.  Sold it to the trash guys for $350 and we
purchased our first Mercedes, a 1973 280, for $4700.  Sold the 280 a year
later for $4850.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:49 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior
> - automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what
> happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the
> yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel
> mileage.
>
> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver,
> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father
> had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two
> tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother
> learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it
> to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no
> undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The
> body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom
> was flaking.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
> >
> > < Hi, Dan! >
> >
> > Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange
> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local
> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went
> to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out
> with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way
> down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his
> direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete
> curb.
> >
> > Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full
> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young
> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car.
> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that,
> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration
> to big brother.
> >
> > I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires.
> ?
> >
> > Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in
> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in
> the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and
> a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was
> as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case,
> as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold it to me anyway
> without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big brother had to
> reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
> >
> > I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly
> spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very
> popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of
> the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing
> some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.
> >
> > Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got
> rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling
> it at the time.
> >
> > -D
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior 
- automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what 
happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the 
yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel 
mileage.


The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver, 
maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father 
had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two 
tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother 
learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it 
to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no 
undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The 
body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom 
was flaking.


Randy


On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.

< Hi, Dan! >

Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange with 
the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local Ford dealer. 
She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went to my older 
brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out with the guys 
from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way down a one-way 
street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his direction conflicted 
with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete curb.

Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full time, 
and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young couples, 
we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. Brother has 
bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, too!) and did not 
need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration to big brother.

I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. ?

Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in Indianapolis. 
The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in the right front 
corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and a day for them to 
put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was as good as new. I went 
to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case, as in big brother knew the 
car was defective but sold it to me anyway without disclosing the damage. Dad 
ruled in my favor, so big brother had to reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!

I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly spartan, 
and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very popular 
amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of the same 
vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing some baffles 
in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.

Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got rid of 
it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling it at the 
time.

-D




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[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.

< Hi, Dan! >

Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange with 
the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local Ford dealer. 
She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went to my older 
brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out with the guys 
from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way down a one-way 
street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his direction conflicted 
with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete curb.

Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full time, 
and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young couples, 
we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. Brother has 
bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, too!) and did not 
need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration to big brother.

I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. ?

Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in Indianapolis. 
The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in the right front 
corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and a day for them to 
put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was as good as new. I went 
to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case, as in big brother knew the 
car was defective but sold it to me anyway without disclosing the damage. Dad 
ruled in my favor, so big brother had to reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!

I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly spartan, 
and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very popular 
amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of the same 
vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing some baffles 
in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.

Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got rid of 
it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling it at the 
time.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 10:57 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A friend of a friend had a Pinto back in the day. The story goes that it was 
> the most gutless, slowest piece of trash he had ever driven.
> 
> So the day comes to replace it, the dealer won't take the Pinto on trade so 
> he decides to junk it. On the ride to the junkyard he decides, since its 
> being junked anyway, to just peg it to redline the whole way.
> After a few minutes there is some kind of a poof, bang or maybe explosion, 
> stories differ but suddenly the car runs waay better. A few minutes later 
> a big cloud of black shoots out the exhaust pipe and the car runs even 
> better, better than it has the whole time the guy has owned it. All the power 
> a Pinto could possibly have.
> 
> Literally blew the carbon out...
> 
> IIRC instead of junking it he sells it to one of his buddies, I don't 
> remember exactly.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 09:06:19 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Blows out the carbon as my dad used to say 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure I'm keen about it being redlined for an hour, driving to 
>> Cottonwood. That can’t be good for it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> $600, throw in a new conductor plate and off you go
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 1/11/24 5:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the driver’s 
 seat, I think I know what local Mexican restaurant they frequent, too!!
 
 
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 craigslist
 flagstaff.craigslist.org
 
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

When my dad was at Harvard he got so sick of driving in Boston that one day he 
just parked on some side street and walked away. He never heard anything more 
about it and had no idea what happened to the car.


On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 13:04, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> When I was at MIT in late 70s there was a guy in my program from NYC 
> who had this completely rusted out yellow pinto that was wheezing and 
> dying and basically just falling apart. He tried to sell it for $100 
> and had no takers. He parked it on the street in a bad ‘hood close by, 
> window down key in it, and it didn’t even get stolen or stripped. It 
> was that bad. 
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn

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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

When I was at MIT in late 70s there was a guy in my program from NYC who had 
this completely rusted out yellow pinto that was wheezing and dying and 
basically just falling apart. He tried to sell it for $100 and had no takers. 
He parked it on the street in a bad ‘hood close by, window down key in it, and 
it didn’t even get stolen or stripped. It was that bad. 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:27 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I-talian tuneup.  :)
> Friend of mine had a Pinto with, I kid you not, Firestone 500 tires.  I
> flat out turned down ride offers...
> -MMM-
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 9:57 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A friend of a friend had a Pinto back in the day. The story goes that it
>> was the most gutless, slowest piece of trash he had ever driven.
>> 
>> So the day comes to replace it, the dealer won't take the Pinto on trade
>> so he decides to junk it. On the ride to the junkyard he decides, since its
>> being junked anyway, to just peg it to redline the whole way.
>> After a few minutes there is some kind of a poof, bang or maybe explosion,
>> stories differ but suddenly the car runs waay better. A few minutes
>> later a big cloud of black shoots out the exhaust pipe and the car runs
>> even better, better than it has the whole time the guy has owned it. All
>> the power a Pinto could possibly have.
>> 
>> Literally blew the carbon out...
>> 
>> IIRC instead of junking it he sells it to one of his buddies, I don't
>> remember exactly.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 09:06:19 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Blows out the carbon as my dad used to say
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not sure I'm keen about it being redlined for an hour, driving to
>> Cottonwood. That can’t be good for it.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 $600, throw in a new conductor plate and off you go
 
 --FT
 
> On 1/11/24 5:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the
>> driver’s seat, I think I know what local Mexican restaurant they frequent,
>> too!!
> 
> <
>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-2002-mercedes-benz-clk430/7706582771.html
>>> 
> [00P0P_7XrXRsp2m2R_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
> 2002 Mercedes-Benz CLK430 for sale by owner - Flagstaff, AZ -
>> craigslist<
>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-2002-mercedes-benz-clk430/7706582771.html
>>> 
> flagstaff.craigslist.org<
>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-2002-mercedes-benz-clk430/7706582771.html
>>> 
> 
> -D
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[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

I-talian tuneup.  :)
Friend of mine had a Pinto with, I kid you not, Firestone 500 tires.  I
flat out turned down ride offers...
-MMM-

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 9:57 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A friend of a friend had a Pinto back in the day. The story goes that it
> was the most gutless, slowest piece of trash he had ever driven.
>
> So the day comes to replace it, the dealer won't take the Pinto on trade
> so he decides to junk it. On the ride to the junkyard he decides, since its
> being junked anyway, to just peg it to redline the whole way.
> After a few minutes there is some kind of a poof, bang or maybe explosion,
> stories differ but suddenly the car runs waay better. A few minutes
> later a big cloud of black shoots out the exhaust pipe and the car runs
> even better, better than it has the whole time the guy has owned it. All
> the power a Pinto could possibly have.
>
> Literally blew the carbon out...
>
> IIRC instead of junking it he sells it to one of his buddies, I don't
> remember exactly.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 09:06:19 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Blows out the carbon as my dad used to say
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not sure I'm keen about it being redlined for an hour, driving to
> Cottonwood. That can’t be good for it.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> $600, throw in a new conductor plate and off you go
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >>> On 1/11/24 5:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the
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> too!!
> >>>
> >>> <
> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-2002-mercedes-benz-clk430/7706582771.html
> >
> >>> [00P0P_7XrXRsp2m2R_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
> >>> 2002 Mercedes-Benz CLK430 for sale by owner - Flagstaff, AZ -
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A friend of a friend had a Pinto back in the day. The story goes that it was 
the most gutless, slowest piece of trash he had ever driven.

So the day comes to replace it, the dealer won't take the Pinto on trade so he 
decides to junk it. On the ride to the junkyard he decides, since its being 
junked anyway, to just peg it to redline the whole way.
After a few minutes there is some kind of a poof, bang or maybe explosion, 
stories differ but suddenly the car runs waay better. A few minutes later a 
big cloud of black shoots out the exhaust pipe and the car runs even better, 
better than it has the whole time the guy has owned it. All the power a Pinto 
could possibly have.

Literally blew the carbon out...

IIRC instead of junking it he sells it to one of his buddies, I don't remember 
exactly.

-Curt


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Blows out the carbon as my dad used to say 

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> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> 
> Not sure I'm keen about it being redlined for an hour, driving to 
> Cottonwood. That can’t be good for it.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> $600, throw in a new conductor plate and off you go
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 1/11/24 5:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the driver’s 
>>> seat, I think I know what local Mexican restaurant they frequent, too!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [00P0P_7XrXRsp2m2R_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
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Blows out the carbon as my dad used to say 

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> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Not sure I'm keen about it being redlined for an hour, driving to 
> Cottonwood. That can’t be good for it.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> $600, throw in a new conductor plate and off you go
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 1/11/24 5:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the driver’s 
>>> seat, I think I know what local Mexican restaurant they frequent, too!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [00P0P_7XrXRsp2m2R_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>> 2002 Mercedes-Benz CLK430 for sale by owner - Flagstaff, AZ - 
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>>> flagstaff.craigslist.org
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 22:24:26 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Not sure I'm keen about it being redlined for an hour, driving to
> Cottonwood. That can’t be good for it.

So it's not like the cars of yesteryear which were engineered to be run
at redline all day long ...


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Not sure I'm keen about it being redlined for an hour, driving to Cottonwood. 
That can’t be good for it.

-D

> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> $600, throw in a new conductor plate and off you go
> 
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> 
> On 1/11/24 5:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the driver’s 
>> seat, I think I know what local Mexican restaurant they frequent, too!!
>> 
>> 
>> [00P0P_7XrXRsp2m2R_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
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$600, throw in a new conductor plate and off you go

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On 1/11/24 5:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the driver’s seat, 
I think I know what local Mexican restaurant they frequent, too!!


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Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the driver’s seat, 
I think I know what local Mexican restaurant they frequent, too!!


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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If it had "programming" it could"

Start
Run
Roll
Stop


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> Live dangerously, the engine could crater on you…
>
> <
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-2006-mercedes-clk-350/7705421527.html
> >
> [00303_5wdjmuFELdq_0kH0pB_600x450.jpg]
> 2006 mercedes-benz clk350 for sale by owner - Orlando, FL - craigslist<
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> >
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Half that would be reasonable

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On 1/1/24 1:29 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:


[00G0G_kNJVE1nmadt_0t20CI_600x450.jpg]
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That would be a decent ride, fix the bumper if it is a botheration

—FT

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Bad conductor plate, I presume.

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Sure is 
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I do, yes. But the price is tempting, isn't it, Kaleb?

-D

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You claim pre facelift 129s should be avoided at all costs like your hair is on 
fire 

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That could be worth it just to have something to thrash around, although a 300 
wouldn’t be too thrashable

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Dreamer saleing his car 

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That actually looks pretty decent. new pump is maybe $150 and easy to swap. 
Wheels are worth a goodly amount. Might be a good LOBALL candidate 

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[MBZ] Kleb Car??

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[MBZ] Kleb Car Alert - "Bruises but not battered"

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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car Alert!!

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Might be worth a go for $300. Could at least sell some parts 

--FT
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> On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:28 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> Should I buy it out from under him?
> 
> 
> [01515_dW3b6ycaGyn_0t10CI_600x450.jpg]
> 1999 Mercedes-Benz E320 no key dead battery OBO - cars & trucks - 
> by...
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car Alert!!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes you should 

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> On Aug 24, 2023, at 5:28 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> Should I buy it out from under him?
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[MBZ] Kleb Car Alert!!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Should I buy it out from under him?


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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Being that it's a facelift car the potential for a bad evaporator is probably 
pretty slim.

I would love to find a really nice facelift S500. They're getting harder and 
harder to find these days. They are wonderful cars.

-D

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The AC issue is of most concern but otherwise it would be a decent ride for the 
price

—FT

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> On Jul 19, 2023, at 6:49 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> [00E0E_ljHmkdwqZUj_0CI0w3_600x450.jpg]
> 1997 MERCEDES BENZ S500 DRIVES GREAT PRIVATE PARTY - cars & trucks 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The AC issue is of most concern but otherwise it would be a decent ride for the 
price 

—FT

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[MBZ] Kleb Car?

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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car Alert!

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

That looks really nice for 240kmi even though realtor spec. Too bad the engine 
munched

—FT


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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car Alert!

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Pass

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[MBZ] Kleb Car Alert!

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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

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> Lawyers will be useless except as unskilled labor but will probably need a 
> lot of supervision even on simple tasks

They're only 1/3 of the classic toolset anyway.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

“Tire irons at ten paces!”

-D

> On May 30, 2023, at 5:21 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lawyers will be useless except as unskilled labor but will probably need a 
> lot of supervision even on simple tasks
> 
> Any disputes will be handled in more direct ways
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On May 30, 2023, at 2:34 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Donald Snook and Randy.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: May 30, 2023 1:22 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>> 
>> Do we have any lawyers?
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps we should form a commune for the impeding collapse. Between us we 
>>> should have all the skills needed to rebuild society.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We are a diverse bunch.
>>>> 
>>>> AZBob
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave 
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus,
>>>>>> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”.  About 1/4 mile on down was
>>>>>> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic
>>>>>> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump
>>>>>> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --FT
>>>>>> Sent from iFōn
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody
>>>>>> might say something but otherwise no.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Lawyers will be useless except as unskilled labor but will probably need a lot 
of supervision even on simple tasks

Any disputes will be handled in more direct ways

--FT
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> On May 30, 2023, at 2:34 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Donald Snook and Randy.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 30, 2023 1:22 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
> 
> Do we have any lawyers?
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On May 30, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps we should form a commune for the impeding collapse. Between us we 
>> should have all the skills needed to rebuild society.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We are a diverse bunch.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just
>>>>> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus,
>>>>> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”.  About 1/4 mile on down was
>>>>> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic
>>>>> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the
>>>>> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump
>>>>> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the
>>>>> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --FT
>>>>> Sent from iFōn
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody
>>>>> might say something but otherwise no.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Jim
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Do we have anyone that can grow weed or cook meth?

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> On May 30, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Donald Snook and Randy.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 30, 2023 1:22 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
> 
> Do we have any lawyers?
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On May 30, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps we should form a commune for the impeding collapse. Between us we 
>> should have all the skills needed to rebuild society.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We are a diverse bunch.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just
>>>>> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus,
>>>>> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”.  About 1/4 mile on down was
>>>>> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic
>>>>> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the
>>>>> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump
>>>>> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the
>>>>> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --FT
>>>>> Sent from iFōn
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody
>>>>> might say something but otherwise no.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Jim
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Donald Snook and Randy.


Rick

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Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com
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Do we have any lawyers?

--FT
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> On May 30, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> Perhaps we should form a commune for the impeding collapse. Between us we 
> should have all the skills needed to rebuild society.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> We are a diverse bunch.
>>
>> AZBob
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything.
>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just
>>>> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus,
>>>> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”.  About 1/4 mile on down was
>>>> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing.
>>>>
>>>> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic
>>>> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the
>>>> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump
>>>> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the
>>>> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what.
>>>>
>>>> --FT
>>>> Sent from iFōn
>>>>
>>>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody
>>>> might say something but otherwise no.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Do we have any lawyers?

--FT
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> On May 30, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps we should form a commune for the impeding collapse. Between us we 
> should have all the skills needed to rebuild society. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We are a diverse bunch. 
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything.
>>> 
 On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just
 as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus,
 that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”.  About 1/4 mile on down was
 the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing.
 
 At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic
 Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the
 towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump
 lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the
 violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what.
 
 --FT
 Sent from iFōn
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody
 might say something but otherwise no.
> 
> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Perhaps we should form a commune for the impeding collapse. Between us we 
should have all the skills needed to rebuild society. 

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> On May 30, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We are a diverse bunch. 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything.
>> 
>>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just
>>> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus,
>>> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”.  About 1/4 mile on down was
>>> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing.
>>> 
>>> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic
>>> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the
>>> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump
>>> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the
>>> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
 On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 
> 
> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody
>>> might say something but otherwise no.
 
 If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Maybe he went there for his post doc in nuclear engineering.

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:43 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We are a diverse bunch.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything.
> >
> >> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave
> just
> >> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus,
> >> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”.  About 1/4 mile on down
> was
> >> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing.
> >>
> >> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic
> >> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not
> the
> >> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump
> >> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if
> the
> >> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what.
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iFōn
> >>
> >>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> 
>  I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody
> >> might say something but otherwise no.
> >>>
> >>> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway.
> >>>
> >>> -- Jim
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

We are a diverse bunch. 

AZBob

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> On May 30, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything.
> 
>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just
>> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus,
>> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”.  About 1/4 mile on down was
>> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing.
>> 
>> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic
>> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the
>> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump
>> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the
>> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 
 I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody
>> might say something but otherwise no.
>>> 
>>> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You went to MIT? I guess this list has one of everything.

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:12 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just
> as you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus,
> that said “Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”.  About 1/4 mile on down was
> the MIT research reactor. The irony was always refreshing.
>
> At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic
> Violence Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the
> towny part of town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump
> lived. I don’t think those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the
> violence was free, or it was a free zone, or what.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >>
> >> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody
> might say something but otherwise no.
> >
> > If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway.
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

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When I was attending MIT in Cambridge MA there was a sign on Mass Ave just as 
you crossed the bridge coming from Boston, right in front of campus, that said 
“Cambridge is a Nuclear-Free Zone”.  About 1/4 mile on down was the MIT 
research reactor. The irony was always refreshing. 

At some point they put up signs that said “Cambridge is a Domestic Violence 
Free Zone” but they were in the hoity-toity parts of town not the towny part of 
town, e.g., where the marathon bombers Joker and Speedbump lived. I don’t think 
those signs worked either. I did always wonder if the violence was free, or it 
was a free zone, or what. 

--FT
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> On May 30, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody might say 
>> something but otherwise no. 
> 
> If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody might say 
> something but otherwise no. 

If it was labeled gluten- and cruelty-free, it might be OK anyway.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

There are no fences permitted between property boundaries in the front
either. Just in back.

On Mon, May 29, 2023, 3:52 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Could just be a restriction for the plat or might be a city code. It’s not
> uncommon, even with HOAs that I’ve been in usually there is a rule that
> says you can’t have a fence in front of the house.
>
> -D
>
> On May 29, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Our subdivision has no HOA but there must e some sort of covenant that
> prevents people from erecting fences in their front years because there are
> none.
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 3:21 PM dan penoff.com<http://penoff.com/> via
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> One of my neighbors is rehabbing a house. He’s a general contractor and
> owns a house in the “rich” part of the country club, where he’s an HOA
> member - but not at the house in my neighborhood. I talked to him about the
> situation and his attitude was to just ignore the HOA and go through the
> motions as necessary. He’s convinced they don’t care about our part of the
> community since they don’t do any enforcement of the few homes that are in
> the HOA here besides mine. He seemed to think our efforts to get out of the
> HOA would be challenged for fear it would set a precedent.
>
> We’ll see.
>
> I went through the plan approval committee last year to get the OK to put
> stairs on the back deck. I couched my request with the suggestion that
> there were concerns about safety since there is no way down from there, and
> the only other exit from that room is to go through the house to one of the
> exterior doors. They approved, no comments. Took maybe a week.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 29, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> > When you petition the HOA, try to think about something that might be
> important to them, and that you are OK with or maybe even want yourself,
> and then omit it from your plans. The hope is they will focus on that, you
> can acquiesce, and they will be happy.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 13:20, dan penoff.com<http://penoff.com/> via
> Mercedes wrote:
> >> It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is
> >> pocket change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the
> >> know and not members that the HOA pays little mind to our street
> >> because of the lack of members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a
> >> bad neighborhood or run down. With a couple exceptions, all of the
> >> homes are well cared for and in good condition.
> >>
> >> My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will
> >> be putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage.
> >> Our lot is well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real
> >> easy to work with on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an
> >> ADU (accessory dwelling unit) which we would be in the garage. However,
> >> we have to get the plans approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why
> >> they would care, but…
> >>
> >> We’ll see.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some
> money. I guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to
> work or not.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>>
> >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM
> >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> Cc: d...@penoff.com<mailto:d...@penoff.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
> >>>
> >>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park
> cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think
> they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain.
> >>>
> >>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not
> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself
> doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old
> section”. They tend to ignore us.
> >>>
> >>>

Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I think it was a Euro/grey market W123 in Linda Blair green. 500SE? I've 
already forgotten.


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> Moot point; listing no longer exists.  What was it?
>
> -MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Moot point; listing no longer exists.  What was it?

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2023-05-29 15:54, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Our other house is in a subdivision and it has covenants, but they are
not enforceable because we do not have a HOA.


If your neighbor violates the deed covenants, you can sue them into 
compliance.


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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Our other house is in a subdivision and it has covenants, but they are not 
enforceable because we do not have a HOA. If the majority of the lot owners 
wanted to form one they could but can’t force owner into it that do not want to 
be part of it. Now out here at Okie acres, there is nothing regulating 
anything. I suppose if I tried to put up a nuke plant or something, somebody 
might say something but otherwise no. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2023, at 2:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Our subdivision has no HOA but there must e some sort of covenant that
> prevents people from erecting fences in their front years because there are
> none.
> 
>> On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 3:21 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> One of my neighbors is rehabbing a house. He’s a general contractor and
>> owns a house in the “rich” part of the country club, where he’s an HOA
>> member - but not at the house in my neighborhood. I talked to him about the
>> situation and his attitude was to just ignore the HOA and go through the
>> motions as necessary. He’s convinced they don’t care about our part of the
>> community since they don’t do any enforcement of the few homes that are in
>> the HOA here besides mine. He seemed to think our efforts to get out of the
>> HOA would be challenged for fear it would set a precedent.
>> 
>> We’ll see.
>> 
>> I went through the plan approval committee last year to get the OK to put
>> stairs on the back deck. I couched my request with the suggestion that
>> there were concerns about safety since there is no way down from there, and
>> the only other exit from that room is to go through the house to one of the
>> exterior doors. They approved, no comments. Took maybe a week.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When you petition the HOA, try to think about something that might be
>> important to them, and that you are OK with or maybe even want yourself,
>> and then omit it from your plans. The hope is they will focus on that, you
>> can acquiesce, and they will be happy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 13:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is
>>>> pocket change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the
>>>> know and not members that the HOA pays little mind to our street
>>>> because of the lack of members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a
>>>> bad neighborhood or run down. With a couple exceptions, all of the
>>>> homes are well cared for and in good condition.
>>>> 
>>>> My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will
>>>> be putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage.
>>>> Our lot is well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real
>>>> easy to work with on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an
>>>> ADU (accessory dwelling unit) which we would be in the garage. However,
>>>> we have to get the plans approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why
>>>> they would care, but…
>>>> 
>>>> We’ll see.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some
>> money. I guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to
>> work or not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rick
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM
>>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park
>> cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think
>> they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not
>> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself
>> doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old
>> section”. They tend to ignore us.
>>>>> 
>&g

Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Could just be a restriction for the plat or might be a city code. It’s not 
uncommon, even with HOAs that I’ve been in usually there is a rule that says 
you can’t have a fence in front of the house.

-D

On May 29, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Our subdivision has no HOA but there must e some sort of covenant that prevents 
people from erecting fences in their front years because there are none.

On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 3:21 PM dan penoff.com<http://penoff.com/> via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
One of my neighbors is rehabbing a house. He’s a general contractor and owns a 
house in the “rich” part of the country club, where he’s an HOA member - but 
not at the house in my neighborhood. I talked to him about the situation and 
his attitude was to just ignore the HOA and go through the motions as 
necessary. He’s convinced they don’t care about our part of the community since 
they don’t do any enforcement of the few homes that are in the HOA here besides 
mine. He seemed to think our efforts to get out of the HOA would be challenged 
for fear it would set a precedent.

We’ll see.

I went through the plan approval committee last year to get the OK to put 
stairs on the back deck. I couched my request with the suggestion that there 
were concerns about safety since there is no way down from there, and the only 
other exit from that room is to go through the house to one of the exterior 
doors. They approved, no comments. Took maybe a week.

-D

> On May 29, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> When you petition the HOA, try to think about something that might be 
> important to them, and that you are OK with or maybe even want yourself, and 
> then omit it from your plans. The hope is they will focus on that, you can 
> acquiesce, and they will be happy.
>
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 13:20, dan penoff.com<http://penoff.com/> via 
> Mercedes wrote:
>> It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is
>> pocket change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the
>> know and not members that the HOA pays little mind to our street
>> because of the lack of members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a
>> bad neighborhood or run down. With a couple exceptions, all of the
>> homes are well cared for and in good condition.
>>
>> My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will
>> be putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage.
>> Our lot is well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real
>> easy to work with on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an
>> ADU (accessory dwelling unit) which we would be in the garage. However,
>> we have to get the plans approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why
>> they would care, but…
>>
>> We’ll see.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some money. 
>>> I guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to work or 
>>> not.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com<mailto:d...@penoff.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>>
>>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars 
>>> out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think 
>>> they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain.
>>>
>>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not 
>>> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself 
>>> doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old 
>>> section”. They tend to ignore us.
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hmm.
>>>> Inquiring minds and all...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>>>
>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM
>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okieben

Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Our subdivision has no HOA but there must e some sort of covenant that
prevents people from erecting fences in their front years because there are
none.

On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 3:21 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> One of my neighbors is rehabbing a house. He’s a general contractor and
> owns a house in the “rich” part of the country club, where he’s an HOA
> member - but not at the house in my neighborhood. I talked to him about the
> situation and his attitude was to just ignore the HOA and go through the
> motions as necessary. He’s convinced they don’t care about our part of the
> community since they don’t do any enforcement of the few homes that are in
> the HOA here besides mine. He seemed to think our efforts to get out of the
> HOA would be challenged for fear it would set a precedent.
>
> We’ll see.
>
> I went through the plan approval committee last year to get the OK to put
> stairs on the back deck. I couched my request with the suggestion that
> there were concerns about safety since there is no way down from there, and
> the only other exit from that room is to go through the house to one of the
> exterior doors. They approved, no comments. Took maybe a week.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 29, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > When you petition the HOA, try to think about something that might be
> important to them, and that you are OK with or maybe even want yourself,
> and then omit it from your plans. The hope is they will focus on that, you
> can acquiesce, and they will be happy.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 13:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is
> >> pocket change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the
> >> know and not members that the HOA pays little mind to our street
> >> because of the lack of members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a
> >> bad neighborhood or run down. With a couple exceptions, all of the
> >> homes are well cared for and in good condition.
> >>
> >> My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will
> >> be putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage.
> >> Our lot is well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real
> >> easy to work with on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an
> >> ADU (accessory dwelling unit) which we would be in the garage. However,
> >> we have to get the plans approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why
> >> they would care, but…
> >>
> >> We’ll see.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some
> money. I guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to
> work or not.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>>
> >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM
> >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
> >>>
> >>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park
> cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think
> they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain.
> >>>
> >>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not
> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself
> doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old
> section”. They tend to ignore us.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hmm.
> >>>> Inquiring minds and all...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick
> >>>>
> >>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM
> >>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
> >>>>
> >>>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of
> influence.
> >>>>
> >>>> -D
> >>>>
&g

Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

One of my neighbors is rehabbing a house. He’s a general contractor and owns a 
house in the “rich” part of the country club, where he’s an HOA member - but 
not at the house in my neighborhood. I talked to him about the situation and 
his attitude was to just ignore the HOA and go through the motions as 
necessary. He’s convinced they don’t care about our part of the community since 
they don’t do any enforcement of the few homes that are in the HOA here besides 
mine. He seemed to think our efforts to get out of the HOA would be challenged 
for fear it would set a precedent.

We’ll see.

I went through the plan approval committee last year to get the OK to put 
stairs on the back deck. I couched my request with the suggestion that there 
were concerns about safety since there is no way down from there, and the only 
other exit from that room is to go through the house to one of the exterior 
doors. They approved, no comments. Took maybe a week.

-D

> On May 29, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When you petition the HOA, try to think about something that might be 
> important to them, and that you are OK with or maybe even want yourself, and 
> then omit it from your plans. The hope is they will focus on that, you can 
> acquiesce, and they will be happy.
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 13:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is 
>> pocket change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the 
>> know and not members that the HOA pays little mind to our street 
>> because of the lack of members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a 
>> bad neighborhood or run down. With a couple exceptions, all of the 
>> homes are well cared for and in good condition.
>> 
>> My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will 
>> be putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage. 
>> Our lot is well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real 
>> easy to work with on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an 
>> ADU (accessory dwelling unit) which we would be in the garage. However, 
>> we have to get the plans approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why 
>> they would care, but…
>> 
>> We’ll see.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some money. 
>>> I guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to work or 
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>> 
>>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars 
>>> out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think 
>>> they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain.
>>> 
>>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not 
>>> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself 
>>> doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old 
>>> section”. They tend to ignore us.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm.
>>>> Inquiring minds and all...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Rick
>>>> 
>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM
>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>>> 
>>>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> HOA no longer exists?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rick
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM
>>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>>>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Guess maybe I should start t

Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Been there, done that. The HOA is supposed to be having their title agent look 
as well. No one can find anything. And do understand that they will be coming 
around on occasion with “special assessments” when they need money. Long term 
it will be more than just $350/year, I’m betting.

For that matter, I had to pay for a survey of our property. Now on the surface 
that wouldn’t seem like a big deal, right? I mean, everyone gets a survey done 
when they convey a property to someone else, right?

Nope.

No survey on record for my lot. Anywhere. Sure, the lot is on the plat filed by 
the developer with the County. But there’s no individual surveys as a part of 
that.

Lucky for me, a neighbor works for a local survey firm. His lot is surveyed, 
and he recently surveyed the lot two doors down across the street. That gave 
him some monuments to work from, and about 90 days and $1300 later, I have a 
“real” survey of my property, with all of the corners marked and recorded. Of 
course now that I’ve done my survey, it makes it a lot easier for adjacent 
property owners to do theirs since me and my neighbor did a lot of the 
foundational work. Whatever.

-D

> On May 29, 2023, at 2:31 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2023-05-29 14:16, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> That is correct as far a we know. There are no de-annexation clauses
>> in the CC In other words, once the property is “in”, any future
>> owners are, too. No choice.
>> From what my research has gleaned so far, we think the first owner
>> opted in around the late 80s, early 90s, we’re not sure of an exact
>> date. This will be one of the points we may use to try and get out -
>> they have no record of the “opting in” by the previous owner.
> 
> Do a title search.
> If it's not recorded against your title, I don't see how they have any power 
> over you.
> Just give them their $30 a month if you want, and ignore them otherwise.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

When you petition the HOA, try to think about something that might be important 
to them, and that you are OK with or maybe even want yourself, and then omit it 
from your plans. The hope is they will focus on that, you can acquiesce, and 
they will be happy.


On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 13:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is 
> pocket change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the 
> know and not members that the HOA pays little mind to our street 
> because of the lack of members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a 
> bad neighborhood or run down. With a couple exceptions, all of the 
> homes are well cared for and in good condition.
>
> My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will 
> be putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage. 
> Our lot is well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real 
> easy to work with on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an 
> ADU (accessory dwelling unit) which we would be in the garage. However, 
> we have to get the plans approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why 
> they would care, but…
>
> We’ll see.
>
> -D
>
>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some money. I 
>> guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to work or not.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>> 
>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars 
>> out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think 
>> they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain.
>> 
>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not every 
>> property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself doesn’t 
>> pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old section”. They 
>> tend to ignore us.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm.
>>> Inquiring minds and all...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>> 
>>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> HOA no longer exists?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Rick
>>>> 
>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM
>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>>> 
>>>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?
>>>> 
>>>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html
>>>> 
>>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2023-05-29 14:16, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

That is correct as far a we know. There are no de-annexation clauses
in the CC In other words, once the property is “in”, any future
owners are, too. No choice.

From what my research has gleaned so far, we think the first owner
opted in around the late 80s, early 90s, we’re not sure of an exact
date. This will be one of the points we may use to try and get out -
they have no record of the “opting in” by the previous owner.


Do a title search.
If it's not recorded against your title, I don't see how they have any 
power over you.

Just give them their $30 a month if you want, and ignore them otherwise.

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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

It costs us around $350/year, which in the grand scheme of things is pocket 
change. That and I’ve been assured by neighbors who are in the know and not 
members that the HOA pays little mind to our street because of the lack of 
members and the age/area. That said, it’s not a bad neighborhood or run down. 
With a couple exceptions, all of the homes are well cared for and in good 
condition.

My only concern will be when we decide to migrate permanently we will be 
putting an addition on the house and likely expanding the garage. Our lot is 
well over 1/2 acre, so that’s no big deal. The City is real easy to work with 
on this sort of thing, especially if we’re adding an ADU (accessory dwelling 
unit) which we would be in the garage. However, we have to get the plans 
approved by the HOA, which I see no reason why they would care, but…

We’ll see.

-D

> On May 29, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some money. I 
> guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to work or not.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
> 
> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars 
> out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think 
> they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain.
> 
> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not every 
> property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself doesn’t 
> pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old section”. They 
> tend to ignore us.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm.
>> Inquiring minds and all...
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>> 
>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HOA no longer exists?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>> 
>>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?
>>> 
>>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That is correct as far a we know. There are no de-annexation clauses in the 
CC In other words, once the property is “in”, any future owners are, too. 
No choice.

From what my research has gleaned so far, we think the first owner opted in 
around the late 80s, early 90s, we’re not sure of an exact date. This will be 
one of the points we may use to try and get out - they have no record of the 
“opting in” by the previous owner.

-D


> On May 29, 2023, at 1:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Am I to assume the PO of your place opted in? Once you opt in you are in and 
> can’t get back out?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 29, 2023, at 12:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, not quite the situation:
>> 
>> My house/neighborhood was built in the mid-1970s. The country club we’re in 
>> has been around since the 1960s, I think. HOAs didn’t exist at the time, and 
>> as the community expanded around the course and bigger/more expensive homes 
>> were built in the 1980s, an HOA was formed. Because there were a bunch of 
>> existing homes, they ouldn’t just suddenly demand that everyone has to 
>> become a member, so for those in the areas that pre-dated the HOA, like 
>> mine, got to decide if they wanted to join or not.
>> 
>> We’re currently talking to an attorney who has successfully litigated 
>> against the HOA to see if we can “opt out”, as almost no one in our 
>> neighborhood is a member. So what’s the point? If one of my neighbors wants 
>> to park an RV in their front yard, there’s literally nothing I can do about 
>> it if they’re not an HOA member.
>> 
>> Sort of defeats the purpose, doesn’t it? hence our desire to be free of the 
>> HOA. What also sucks is that as a buyer of one of these properties, if a 
>> previous owner “opted in” then we have no choice, which sort of defeats the 
>> purpose of the HOA and is ultimately unfair to us since we have no say.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My parent's neighborhood had sort of an association. Membership was 
>>> voluntary and they had no real authority. They mostly did stuff like 
>>> organizing weeding/landscaping cleanups at the entrances to the 
>>> neighborhood, petition the city for better streetlights and park 
>>> improvements, stuff like that. If someone's property was an eyesore they 
>>> might request cleanup or even offer to help but they couldn't really do 
>>> anything unless it was so bad that city code violations were happening.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 12:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park 
>>>> cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t 
>>>> think they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain.
>>>> 
>>>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not 
>>>> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA 
>>>> itself doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the 
>>>> “old section”. They tend to ignore us.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hmm.
>>>>> Inquiring minds and all...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rick
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM
>>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>>>> 
>>>>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of 
>>>>> influence.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> HOA no longer exists?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM
>>>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>>>>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>>>>

Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Very cool. Yeah, if you can get out of the HOA that would save some money. I 
guess it depends on how long you plan to own it for the math to work or not.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: May 29, 2023 12:21 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars out 
of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think they’re in 
the HOA, so they can’t complain.

Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not every 
property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself doesn’t 
pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old section”. They 
tend to ignore us.

-D

> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>
> Hmm.
> Inquiring minds and all...
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>
> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence.
>
> -D
>
>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> HOA no longer exists?
>>
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>
>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?
>>
>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html
>>
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Am I to assume the PO of your place opted in? Once you opt in you are in and 
can’t get back out?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2023, at 12:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, not quite the situation:
> 
> My house/neighborhood was built in the mid-1970s. The country club we’re in 
> has been around since the 1960s, I think. HOAs didn’t exist at the time, and 
> as the community expanded around the course and bigger/more expensive homes 
> were built in the 1980s, an HOA was formed. Because there were a bunch of 
> existing homes, they ouldn’t just suddenly demand that everyone has to become 
> a member, so for those in the areas that pre-dated the HOA, like mine, got to 
> decide if they wanted to join or not.
> 
> We’re currently talking to an attorney who has successfully litigated against 
> the HOA to see if we can “opt out”, as almost no one in our neighborhood is a 
> member. So what’s the point? If one of my neighbors wants to park an RV in 
> their front yard, there’s literally nothing I can do about it if they’re not 
> an HOA member.
> 
> Sort of defeats the purpose, doesn’t it? hence our desire to be free of the 
> HOA. What also sucks is that as a buyer of one of these properties, if a 
> previous owner “opted in” then we have no choice, which sort of defeats the 
> purpose of the HOA and is ultimately unfair to us since we have no say.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My parent's neighborhood had sort of an association. Membership was 
>> voluntary and they had no real authority. They mostly did stuff like 
>> organizing weeding/landscaping cleanups at the entrances to the 
>> neighborhood, petition the city for better streetlights and park 
>> improvements, stuff like that. If someone's property was an eyesore they 
>> might request cleanup or even offer to help but they couldn't really do 
>> anything unless it was so bad that city code violations were happening.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 12:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park 
>>> cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t 
>>> think they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain.
>>> 
>>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not 
>>> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA 
>>> itself doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the 
>>> “old section”. They tend to ignore us.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm.
>>>> Inquiring minds and all...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Rick
>>>> 
>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM
>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>>> 
>>>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> HOA no longer exists?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rick
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM
>>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>>>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Yeah, not quite the situation:

My house/neighborhood was built in the mid-1970s. The country club we’re in has 
been around since the 1960s, I think. HOAs didn’t exist at the time, and as the 
community expanded around the course and bigger/more expensive homes were built 
in the 1980s, an HOA was formed. Because there were a bunch of existing homes, 
they ouldn’t just suddenly demand that everyone has to become a member, so for 
those in the areas that pre-dated the HOA, like mine, got to decide if they 
wanted to join or not.

We’re currently talking to an attorney who has successfully litigated against 
the HOA to see if we can “opt out”, as almost no one in our neighborhood is a 
member. So what’s the point? If one of my neighbors wants to park an RV in 
their front yard, there’s literally nothing I can do about it if they’re not an 
HOA member.

Sort of defeats the purpose, doesn’t it? hence our desire to be free of the 
HOA. What also sucks is that as a buyer of one of these properties, if a 
previous owner “opted in” then we have no choice, which sort of defeats the 
purpose of the HOA and is ultimately unfair to us since we have no say.

-D

> On May 29, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My parent's neighborhood had sort of an association. Membership was voluntary 
> and they had no real authority. They mostly did stuff like organizing 
> weeding/landscaping cleanups at the entrances to the neighborhood, petition 
> the city for better streetlights and park improvements, stuff like that. If 
> someone's property was an eyesore they might request cleanup or even offer to 
> help but they couldn't really do anything unless it was so bad that city code 
> violations were happening.
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 12:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park 
>> cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t 
>> think they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain.
>> 
>> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not 
>> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA 
>> itself doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the 
>> “old section”. They tend to ignore us.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm.
>>> Inquiring minds and all...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>> 
>>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> HOA no longer exists?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Rick
>>>> 
>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM
>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>>> 
>>>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?
>>>> 
>>>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html
>>>> 
>>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Might as well 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe I'll fly out there and steal it out from under you?
> 
> 
>> On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 12:26, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> It’s definitely interesting, and cheap. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I were planning a trip up the hill, I’d take a peek at it. It hasn’t 
>>> been hot enough yet this year to chase me up the mountain.
>>> 
>>> Now if you were wicked serious about it, I have been known to do things for 
>>> friends.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> *From: *Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> *Sent: *Monday, May 29, 2023 9:44 AM
>>> *To: *Mercedes Discussion List <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> *Cc: *Kaleb Striplin <mailto:ka...@striplin.net>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sooo, are you at the vast western estate to look at it for me and park it 
>>> at your place till I can get out there?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2023, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?
>>>> 
>>>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html
>>>> 
>>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Maybe I'll fly out there and steal it out from under you?


On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 12:26, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> It’s definitely interesting, and cheap. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 29, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If I were planning a trip up the hill, I’d take a peek at it. It hasn’t been 
>> hot enough yet this year to chase me up the mountain.
>>  
>> Now if you were wicked serious about it, I have been known to do things for 
>> friends.
>>  
>> AZBob
>>  
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>>  
>> *From: *Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> *Sent: *Monday, May 29, 2023 9:44 AM
>> *To: *Mercedes Discussion List <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> *Cc: *Kaleb Striplin <mailto:ka...@striplin.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>> 
>>  
>> Sooo, are you at the vast western estate to look at it for me and park it at 
>> your place till I can get out there?
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>  
>> > On May 29, 2023, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?
>> >
>> > https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html
>> >
>> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

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It’s definitely interesting, and cheap. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 29, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:If I were planning a trip up the hill, I’d take a peek at it. It hasn’t been hot enough yet this year to chase me up the mountain. Now if you were wicked serious about it, I have been known to do things for friends.  AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows From: Kaleb Striplin via MercedesSent: Monday, May 29, 2023 9:44 AMTo: Mercedes Discussion ListCc: Kaleb StriplinSubject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! Sooo, are you at the vast western estate to look at it for me and park it at your place till I can get out there? Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2023, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes  wrote:> > Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?> > https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html> > -D> ___> http://www.okiebenz.com> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>   ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com  

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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

My parent's neighborhood had sort of an association. Membership was voluntary 
and they had no real authority. They mostly did stuff like organizing 
weeding/landscaping cleanups at the entrances to the neighborhood, petition the 
city for better streetlights and park improvements, stuff like that. If 
someone's property was an eyesore they might request cleanup or even offer to 
help but they couldn't really do anything unless it was so bad that city code 
violations were happening.


On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 12:20, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park 
> cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t 
> think they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain.
>
> Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not 
> every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA 
> itself doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the 
> “old section”. They tend to ignore us.
>
> -D
>
>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm.
>> Inquiring minds and all...
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
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>> 
>> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HOA no longer exists?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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>>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>>> 
>>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?
>>> 
>>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Well damn. If you were, I could cruise on out there in the next couple of weeks

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> On May 29, 2023, at 11:56 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> Not at present.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 29, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sooo, are you at the vast western estate to look at it for me and park it at 
>> your place till I can get out there?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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 On May 29, 2023, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?
>>> 
>>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

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Plus, from what I saw the day the P.O. was chasing me down with a screwdriver, your neighborhood looks very nice. No fodder for HOAs.  AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows From: dan penoff.com via MercedesSent: Monday, May 29, 2023 10:21 AMTo: Okie BenzCc: dan penoff.comSubject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars out of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think they’re in the HOA, so they can’t complain. Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not every property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself doesn’t pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old section”. They tend to ignore us. -D > On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:> > Hmm.> Inquiring minds and all...> > > Rick> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: d...@penoff.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!> > HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence.> > -D> >> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:>> >> HOA no longer exists?>> >> >> Rick>> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com>> Cc: d...@penoff.com>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!>> >> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?>> >> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html>> >> -D>> ___>> http://www.okiebenz.com>> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/>> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>> >> ___>> http://www.okiebenz.com>> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/>> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>> > > > ___> http://www.okiebenz.com> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> > ___> http://www.okiebenz.com> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>  ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com  

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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

If I were planning a trip up the hill, I’d take a peek at it. It hasn’t been hot enough yet this year to chase me up the mountain. Now if you were wicked serious about it, I have been known to do things for friends.  AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows From: Kaleb Striplin via MercedesSent: Monday, May 29, 2023 9:44 AMTo: Mercedes Discussion ListCc: Kaleb StriplinSubject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ! Sooo, are you at the vast western estate to look at it for me and park it at your place till I can get out there? Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2023, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes  wrote:> > Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?> > https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html> > -D> ___> http://www.okiebenz.com> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>   ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com  

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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Three car+ garage that shields a rather large area where I could park cars out 
of sight. Next door neighbors might not like it, but I don’t think they’re in 
the HOA, so they can’t complain.

Without getting into details, my HOA was voluntary at one time, so not every 
property in the neighborhood are members. As a result the HOA itself doesn’t 
pay a lot of attention to our neighborhood as we’re the “old section”. They 
tend to ignore us.

-D

> On May 29, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hmm.
> Inquiring minds and all...
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 29, 2023 12:12 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
> 
> HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> HOA no longer exists?
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: May 29, 2023 11:40 AM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>> 
>> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?
>> 
>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Hmm.
Inquiring minds and all...


Rick

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HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence.

-D

> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>
> HOA no longer exists?
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
>
> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?
>
> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

HOA exists but there is space available outside of their area of influence.

-D

> On May 29, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> HOA no longer exists?
> 
> 
> Rick
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> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!
> 
> Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?
> 
> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

HOA no longer exists?


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] Kleb Car in AZ!

Guess maybe I should start thinking about an Okie Acres West?

https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-1983-mercedes-benz-500-se/7626510960.html

-D
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