We dropped the project. The water caused cavitation in the engine and ruined
the engine before 200kmi. BAD news...
Luther
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:19:23 -0600, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My company has several trucks with H2O injection. Let me ask our fuel
economy manager for his
KC 135s and I believe B-52s use water injection. Wilton can explain this
better than I can.
For take off with heavy loads, they inject water into the engines for a
power boost.
Harry
On Dec 17, 2007 10:37 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes - water that's in liquid form, whether fog or
My company has several trucks with H2O injection. Let me ask our fuel economy
manager for his take on it.
Luther
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:37:20 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes - water that's in liquid form, whether fog or mist, or what ever
should give more cylinder pressure when
KC-135A's and all B-52's prior to H's (all with J-57 engines) used water
injection for about 2 min on takeoff for significant increase in thrust.
KC-135's now have been retrofitted with much newer, much more powerful,
airline surplus, turbofan engines - don't think they use water injection any
.
From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:29:54 -0500
To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Knock on wood - 300D/Water injection
KC-135A's and all B-52's prior to H's (all with J-57 engines) used
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Subject: [MBZ] Knock on wood - 300D/Water injection
KC-135A's and all B-52's prior to H's (all with J-57 engines) used water
injection for about
Interesting - We've owned one new car in the 30+ years we've been
married, and take at least a 4000+ mile trip every summer. The only
time we've had to stop and have a car repaired was on the new car (the
Plymouth van), during it's last six months of warranty - fuel pump
died on I-90 at the MN/WI
That probably depends on how well you keep your Mercedes repaired.
I probably try to get too many miles out of every part; waiting until they
go bad before replacing them. After a few other things in the shop are
completed, I plan to spend some money and update the 300D for road trips.
The
of.
Probably more than anyone wanted to know about steam and water!
Manfred
Don wrote;
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:14:08 -0600
From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes - water that's in liquid form, whether fog or mist, or what ever
should give more cylinder pressure when heated by combustion (or even
compression). I don't think that just high humidity would improve
performance though - perhaps some imperial testing is in order?
On Dec 17, 2007 9:29 AM, MG
Now that's a good reason to buy a new car !
Nevertheless, a new car is tempting; if for no other reason than it being a
new kind of toy (with all kinds of cool electronics) to play with. (-:]
Gerry
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There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Biodiesel has more oxygen in it than petro diesel. BioD has about 20% less
energy (depends on the base stock) than PetroD. Blends from B20-B70 will
usually see more fuel efficiency than pure PetroD or B100 due to the more
complete combustion of the fuel blend. Higher than B70 will usually
Tim, my 300CD is nearing 10kmi on BioD. I've not seen a clogged filter yet
(subject line action). My only problem has been injector return lines getting
soft enough that one came loose causing a snail trail at work. Previous to
BioD, my fuel guage liked to imitate windshield wipersnow
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From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:45 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
And this IMHO is the true key to making any real difference - just a
little
change
Tim,
I have no clue what your business is but I am envious of your WVO supply.
Dave H...
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Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:45 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock
Well, what's most environmentally friendly is to GET OUT OF THE CAR and
walk (or ride public transit). However, this notion is still political
suicide in the US (and Germany), where driving anywhere you want at any
time you want is conflated with political freedom. They aren't the
same
Biodiesel isn't too bad for growing stuff if made correctly and clean
(not a problem with commercial Bio, just homemade), but mix in waste
veggie oil and you can get a real mess if there isn't enough biocide in
it. Bugs can't eat biodiesel directly, but they sure can munch on veg
oil! I'm
9:54 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Biodiesel isn't too bad for growing stuff if made correctly and clean
(not a problem with commercial Bio, just homemade), but mix in waste
veggie oil and you can get a real mess if there isn't
I stopped in and looked at a Toyota Prius the other day. 45-50 mpg,
lifetime warrantee on mechanicals, 8 year warrantee on batteries. Very
tempting.
Then I went home and thought about it. For the $25,000+ a Prius would cost,
I could turn the '83 300D into a like-new car and have plenty of
...Toyota Prius...Very tempting.
Except that they're one of the ugliest POS's out there.
For the $25,000+ a Prius would cost, I could turn the
'83 300D into a like-new car and have plenty of money left
over to buy the extra fuel a Prius would have saved.
Exactly!
-- Jim
archer wrote:
I stopped in and looked at a Toyota Prius the other day. 45-50 mpg,
lifetime warrantee on mechanicals, 8 year warrantee on batteries. Very
tempting.
If you drive a 240D like you'd have to drive the priapus to get 45+ mpg,
you'd be getting 30mpg in the 240D, or 60mpg from a 3
...drive the priapus to get 45+ mpg,
The nickname is cute, but totally wrong. I have exactly
the opposite reaction (automotively speaking) when looking
at them.
-- Jim
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Jim Cathey wrote:
...drive the priapus to get 45+ mpg,
The nickname is cute, but totally wrong. I have exactly
the opposite reaction (automotively speaking) when looking
at them.
You're thinking Priapism.
Priapus was a guardian of gardens. If a boy dared to steal from a garden
that
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Biodiesel isn't too bad for growing stuff if made correctly and clean
(not a problem with commercial Bio, just homemade), but mix in waste
veggie oil and you can get a real mess if there isn't enough biocide in
it. Bugs can't eat biodiesel
If the fuel situation should get
extremely bad, both MBs could be converted to run on VO. (I
wonder how many acres of soybeans it would take to yield a
years supply of VO; about 1000 gallons? I have a few acres
that could be contract farmed.
If you contract out the land, pick something
Or see your doctor if you experience a priapus interest lasting longer
than 4 hours.
-R
Mitch Haley wrote:
Jim Cathey wrote:
...drive the priapus to get 45+ mpg,
The nickname is cute, but totally wrong. I have exactly
the opposite reaction (automotively speaking) when looking
Fmiser wrote:
If you contract out the land, pick something other than soy!!
Peanuts, rape, cotton, palm, etc all make better base stock than
soy.
But...but...the government subsidizes soy biodiesel, and they wouldn't
do that if it wasn't the best use of resources, would they? g
Seriously, I
archer wrote:
Then I went home and thought about it. For the $25,000+ a Prius would cost,
I could turn the '83 300D into a like-new car and have plenty of money left
over to buy the extra fuel a Prius would have saved.
Or if you were wanting a new car anyway, spend less than 25k for a
List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:07:27 -0500
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
I stopped in and looked at a Toyota Prius the other day. 45-50 mpg,
lifetime warrantee on mechanicals, 8 year warrantee on batteries
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Fmiser wrote:
If you contract out the land, pick something other than soy!!
Peanuts, rape, cotton, palm, etc all make better base stock than
soy.
But...but...the government subsidizes soy biodiesel, and they wouldn't
do that if it wasn't
mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
And this IMHO is the true key to making any real difference - just a little
change or two in the behaviors of us all.
No tree hugging here. But I do shake my head often at what I see around me.
Maybe folks don't have to give up
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:32:26 -0500
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Tim,
I have no clue what your business is but I am envious of your WVO supply.
Dave H...
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Sounds like Dodge City, Kansas ---
On Dec 16, 2007 7:36 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LOL, Dave... by trade I'm a licensed electrical contractor. My degree is
in in music performance (piano). Business? The past season among other
duties, I was the old ragtime pianist in a Wild
: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Sounds like Dodge City, Kansas ---
On Dec 16, 2007 7:36 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LOL, Dave... by trade I'm a licensed electrical contractor. My degree is
in in music performance (piano). Business? The past season among other
duties, I
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:57:41 -0500
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Fmiser wrote:
If you contract out the land, pick something other than soy!!
Peanuts, rape
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:07:27 -0500
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
I stopped in and looked at a Toyota Prius the other day. 45-50 mpg,
lifetime warrantee on mechanicals
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Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
archer wrote:
Then I went home and thought about it. For the $25,000+ a Prius would
cost
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Nope... actually, Western North Carolina where I call home, the Great
Smoky
Mountains. Y'all come!
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:51:41 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
I thought about insurance too. (No state tax in Florida.)
Gerry
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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:39:57 -0500
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Tim,
where at in WNC?
I attended WCU for a couple of years and lived
Last week I treated the daily driver ('85 300D 323K+ mi) to a stay with the
indy. I got a list of things repaired that I wouldn't have been able to
accomplish. There's certainly a noticable difference in handling with the
new front end. Otherwise, there was no reason to expect the car to actually
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Last week I treated the daily driver ('85 300D 323K+ mi) to a stay with
the
indy. I got a list of things repaired that I wouldn't have been able to
accomplish. There's certainly a noticable difference in handling with the
new
I don't know about the environment part -- a lot of the bio-d is being
made from food crops (soybeans) that take a lot of dino to grow
(fertilizer, fuel) and then to turn into bio-d (transport, refining),
and is driving up food prices when diverted. Also, a lot of rainforest
(cf. Indonesia)
I thought that bioDiesel has a little less energy per gallon than
dino. Is the performance improvement due to cleaning?
On Dec 15, 2007 8:01 PM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is not uncommon to identify a marked improvement when running on a
biodiesel or biodiesel mix.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
I thought that bioDiesel has a little less energy per gallon than
dino. Is the performance improvement due to cleaning?
On Dec 15, 2007 8:01 PM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is not uncommon to identify a marked improvement
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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:01:12 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
It is not uncommon to identify a marked improvement when running on a
biodiesel or biodiesel
, December 15, 2007 9:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
I don't know about the environment part -- a lot of the bio-d is being
made from food crops (soybeans) that take a lot of dino to grow
(fertilizer, fuel) and then to turn
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Dave,
One repair was made last wee, because of a clogged vent the tank had
imploded even to the point of crushing the fuel sending unit. A new tank
wasn't feasible but for 1/3 the cost a tank was pulled which had actually
.
From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:18:11 -0600
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
I don't know about the environment part -- a lot of the bio-d
mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
I thought that bioDiesel has a little less energy per gallon than
dino. Is the performance improvement due to cleaning?
On Dec 15, 2007 8:01 PM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is not uncommon to identify a marked improvement
snip I'm middle aged (only 49). snip sprouts that I grew in my little
hydroponic set-up...
I will 49 in Feb. Back in the day I grew plants in hydroponics, but they
weren't, uh, sprouts LOL
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT
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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:10:28 -0500
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Tim,
I would be interested in your formulary for creating the cleaner. I am
having limited success in that department.:)
Dave
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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:46:01 -0600
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
snip I'm middle aged (only 49). snip sprouts that I grew in my little
hydroponic set-up...
I will 49 in Feb. Back in the day
Not more oxygen, but more water -- adds to the pressure in the
combustion chamber? Not sure that this holds when the water is already
a vapor.
On Dec 15, 2007 9:40 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Heck, after having been so dry with the mist/atmospheric conditions maybe
there's
The cold, misty weather gives you more power from greater expansion of
extra water vapor in the engine (I'm not kidding), and the biodiesel
burns better than regular diesel (although you use a bit more). I
suspect most of the difference is in the new front end not dragging,
though.
Peter
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:23:07 -0600
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
The cold, misty weather gives you more power from greater expansion of
extra water vapor in the engine (I'm not kidding), and the biodiesel
burns better than
throwing the bread together last night in my old KitchenAid I thought, Gee,
my mixer is older than most of the guys who work for me. My cars are as old
as a few.
Funny that this discussion should come up. As I was prepping the food
processor to grind up some walnuts, I was thinking that this
greater expansion of
extra water vapor in the engine (I'm not kidding),
The topic of water injection came up on the other mercedes list as well. Is
that the same reason that it supposedly works?
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula
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And this IMHO is the true key to making any real difference - just a little
change or two in the behaviors of us all.
No tree hugging here. But I do shake my head often at what I see around me.
Maybe folks don't have to give up their Suburban or big 4x4 - I mean that's
not going to happen. (heck,
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