Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM was OT: other effects of wuhan CV

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Great questions!  Here are the likely correct answers:

yes
no
no
no
no
no
no
maybe

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 6:41 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Dan The list Mom wrote:
>
> > ... in which it was delivered clearly was [political]. As a
> > result the list member who posted it has been placed on
> > moderation.
>
> *sigh*  Really?  Whatever  But if that triggers moderation
> status, there are a lot of others that should be too.  Just sayin'.
>
> > be sure to read it first and remove any political or
> > inflammatory content.
>
> Inflammatory content like W123s with stacks through the hood?
>
> Or mini-splits with refrigerant that could be contributing to
> global warming?
>
> Or green is a good color for a car?
>
> Or islands closing borders?
>
> Or C41 is easier than E6 processing?
>
> Or blaming drug use for nutty for sale postings?
>
> Or any Facebook link?
>
> If you have a standard - hold to it for everyone.  Probably just
> make all posts moderated...
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM was OT: other effects of wuhan CV

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan The list Mom wrote:

> ... in which it was delivered clearly was [political]. As a
> result the list member who posted it has been placed on
> moderation.

*sigh*  Really?  Whatever  But if that triggers moderation
status, there are a lot of others that should be too.  Just sayin'.

> be sure to read it first and remove any political or
> inflammatory content.

Inflammatory content like W123s with stacks through the hood?

Or mini-splits with refrigerant that could be contributing to
global warming?

Or green is a good color for a car?

Or islands closing borders?

Or C41 is easier than E6 processing?

Or blaming drug use for nutty for sale postings?

Or any Facebook link?

If you have a standard - hold to it for everyone.  Probably just
make all posts moderated...

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM was OT: other effects of wuhan CV

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Maybe there can be a banned gun list? A lot of people like guns, but I fail
to see how they relate to diesel mercedes. Trying to be helpful.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 9:48 AM MG via Mercedes  wrote:

> Dan,
> really???
>
> Overreaction
>
> I'm with Meade.
>
> MG
>
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > Please moderate me for the duration of Curly's moderation.
> > -
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM was OT: other effects of wuhan CV

[MG via Mercedes]

Dan,
really???

Overreaction

I'm with Meade.

MG

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM was OT: other effects of wuhan CV

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thank you mom

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 10:20 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> While the subject matter of this post was not political in it’s nature,
> the vehicle in which it was delivered clearly was. As a result the list
> member who posted it has been placed on moderation.
>
> This is a reminder to all that while topical posts are welcome, the
> vehicle in which they are delivered is unwelcome if it is political or
> inflammatory in nature. There have been numerous complaints from list
> members regarding the politicizing of subject matter in recent days, and as
> a result the List Mom will take a very strong position against such posts
> and the members who post them.
>
> Let’s stick to Mercedes subject matter whenever possible. If you’re going
> to post something topical, be sure to read it first and remove any
> political or inflammatory content. There will be no exceptions.
>
> Thank you,
>
> List Mom
>
>
>
> > On Mar 21, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I heard last friday that a recent USAF retiree friend, who is working
> > at the sporting goods big box store none of us buy from in Houston.
> > He said he had sold 18 registered arms that day.   Saturday and Sunday
> > were sales of 35each day.   I've not heard since then but I gather
> > sales are still many times higher than normal.   I needed some caps
> > and stopped in the local store Wed, and it was like a zoo, and the
> > rack was getting bare.   See article below:  It says that in bernie's
> > home state sales are 40 times normal!Think anyone there is scared
> > of him?
> >
> >
> > Chinese Virus a Better Gun Salesman than Barack Obama
> >
> >
> > Well, we’ve finally found a salesman that topped Barack Obama’s ability
> to drive Americans to their local gun shops: The Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus.
> Even gun-hating liberals are now lining up to purchase their first-ever gun
> in many places.
> >
> > Some are hilariously discovering that you cannot, in fact, buy a gun
> online. “You mean… Chuck Schumer…/lied to me?!/” Here’s a roundup of the
> incredible demand that Americans suddenly have for firearms. And as you’ll
> see from the video below, even Californians are waiting in long lines at
> the gun shop!
> >
> > First, gun sales have now officially doubled year-to-year. Last Monday,
> the FBI reported that background checks on gun purchases have spiked by
> 300%. That’s creating a backlog of NICS investigations.
> >
> > In terms of gun buyers, if you’ve never had a problem with a background
> check, you should be good to go if you try to purchase a firearm right now.
> But… if a ‘hold’ is triggered, the FBI normally takes up to three days to
> investigate and determine whether that purchaser is authorized to buy a gun
> or not. The FBI now says that “three days” has been stretched out to “we’ll
> get back to you sometime in the future.”
> >
> > While you can’t buy firearms online, you can purchase ammunition over
> the internet in many states. Ammo.com has released its statistics from the
> past week, and it’s pretty impressive. The site ships ammo to 47 states,
> excluding Alaska, Hawaii, Massachusetts and California. They describe
> demand as “staggering” – like nothing they’ve ever seen previously.
> >
> > Ammunition sales in Vermont and Delaware are up 4,000%. That’s not a
> typo. Oklahoma, Louisiana and Mississippi sales have increased between
> 1,001 and 2,000%. Oregon, Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, Nebraska and Maine are up
> 501 to 1,000%. Most other states are in the 101 to 500% increase range.
> >
> > States that are buying the lowest amounts from Ammo.com are North and
> South Dakota, and West Virginia, where sales have only increased by a
> measly 100%. I guess they were ready in those states.
> >
> > And after all is said and done, the Second Amendment does use the words
> “necessary to the security of a free state!”
> >
> >
> https://www.americangunnews.com/chinese-virus-a-better-gun-salesman-than-barack-obama/
> >
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM was OT: other effects of wuhan CV

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I am a moderate, I drive firmly down the middle of the road

--FT

On 3/21/20 10:43 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Please moderate me for the duration of Curly's moderation.
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM was OT: other effects of wuhan CV

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Please moderate me for the duration of Curly's moderation.
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[MBZ] LIST MOM was OT: other effects of wuhan CV

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

While the subject matter of this post was not political in it’s nature, the 
vehicle in which it was delivered clearly was. As a result the list member who 
posted it has been placed on moderation.

This is a reminder to all that while topical posts are welcome, the vehicle in 
which they are delivered is unwelcome if it is political or inflammatory in 
nature. There have been numerous complaints from list members regarding the 
politicizing of subject matter in recent days, and as a result the List Mom 
will take a very strong position against such posts and the members who post 
them.

Let’s stick to Mercedes subject matter whenever possible. If you’re going to 
post something topical, be sure to read it first and remove any political or 
inflammatory content. There will be no exceptions.

Thank you,

List Mom



> On Mar 21, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I heard last friday that a recent USAF retiree friend, who is working
> at the sporting goods big box store none of us buy from in Houston.  
> He said he had sold 18 registered arms that day.   Saturday and Sunday
> were sales of 35each day.   I've not heard since then but I gather
> sales are still many times higher than normal.   I needed some caps
> and stopped in the local store Wed, and it was like a zoo, and the
> rack was getting bare.   See article below:  It says that in bernie's
> home state sales are 40 times normal!Think anyone there is scared
> of him?
> 
> 
> Chinese Virus a Better Gun Salesman than Barack Obama
> 
> 
> Well, we’ve finally found a salesman that topped Barack Obama’s ability to 
> drive Americans to their local gun shops: The Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus. Even 
> gun-hating liberals are now lining up to purchase their first-ever gun in 
> many places.
> 
> Some are hilariously discovering that you cannot, in fact, buy a gun online. 
> “You mean… Chuck Schumer…/lied to me?!/” Here’s a roundup of the incredible 
> demand that Americans suddenly have for firearms. And as you’ll see from the 
> video below, even Californians are waiting in long lines at the gun shop!
> 
> First, gun sales have now officially doubled year-to-year. Last Monday, the 
> FBI reported that background checks on gun purchases have spiked by 300%. 
> That’s creating a backlog of NICS investigations.
> 
> In terms of gun buyers, if you’ve never had a problem with a background 
> check, you should be good to go if you try to purchase a firearm right now. 
> But… if a ‘hold’ is triggered, the FBI normally takes up to three days to 
> investigate and determine whether that purchaser is authorized to buy a gun 
> or not. The FBI now says that “three days” has been stretched out to “we’ll 
> get back to you sometime in the future.”
> 
> While you can’t buy firearms online, you can purchase ammunition over the 
> internet in many states. Ammo.com has released its statistics from the past 
> week, and it’s pretty impressive. The site ships ammo to 47 states, excluding 
> Alaska, Hawaii, Massachusetts and California. They describe demand as 
> “staggering” – like nothing they’ve ever seen previously.
> 
> Ammunition sales in Vermont and Delaware are up 4,000%. That’s not a typo. 
> Oklahoma, Louisiana and Mississippi sales have increased between 1,001 and 
> 2,000%. Oregon, Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, Nebraska and Maine are up 501 to 
> 1,000%. Most other states are in the 101 to 500% increase range.
> 
> States that are buying the lowest amounts from Ammo.com are North and South 
> Dakota, and West Virginia, where sales have only increased by a measly 100%. 
> I guess they were ready in those states.
> 
> And after all is said and done, the Second Amendment does use the words 
> “necessary to the security of a free state!”
> 
> https://www.americangunnews.com/chinese-virus-a-better-gun-salesman-than-barack-obama/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] List Mom

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Diesels put out less co2 than gas motors. That is the only reason they are
still sold in europe, because they have co2 emissions standards to comply
with. The CEO of Daimler has said that CO2 emissions are the reason diesels
will continue to be offered in the lineup for some time. So I dont think it
is true that diesels are blamed for climate change. And Mercedes is not
stopping diesel production due to climate concerns. Quite the opposite.

It has been suggested that this is the wrong list for climate change
discussion, and I agree. Climate change has nothing to do with why I am on
the list and sorting through this non-topical content is a waste of my
time, whether I agree with what is being posted or not. If I want to debate
that stuff, I will subscribe to a climate change list.

My $0.02

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 3:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I would like to make an "al bore" comment that does have Mercedes content.
> While having nothing to do with politics.
> It is:
> The whole specter of "global warming" as it has been sold to the public has
> had a huge impact on how Diesel engines, thus Mercedes cars, has been and
> are now perceived as in "Diesels pollute" and "It smells bad thus it must
> be spewing toxic waste into the air" arguments.. which are then segued into
> the whole "global warming argument"...
> The result has been a huge downturn in Mercedes Diesel production of future
> designs, less support for older Mercedes in the way of parts and repair
> shops, and increased cost for both... all as the result of the whole
> "global warming" arguments made by influential individuals in the public
> forums.
>
> As intelligent people, regardless of political opinions held, we all look
> at facts more than fantasy, and the public arguments made by those of the
> Al Gore persuasion are now failing the fact check criteria of sound
> scientific investigation, it seems.
> Strong evidence has been brought forward the foundational premise was both
> flawed, and embellished [here stands controversy which is better discussed
> elsewhere].
>
> Regardless, right or wrong, fact or fiction, it has had a real impact on
> what we are about here, which is Mercedes cars and how to keep them running
> and supported.
>
> Respectfully,
> G.Mann
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 2:24 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That would be an illegal kickback subject to RICO.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 3:13 PM Kaleb Striplin 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Yea, which I should split 70/30 with poos.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We need to start a Go Fund Me campaign to assure that Dan remains as
> > the
> > > > list dad.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 12:47 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>> I’m being preemptive. Don’t like it?
> > > >>> You’re welcome to take over the responsibilities of running the
> list.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ugh. No thanks.
> > > >>
> > > >> Rick
> > > >>
> > > >>
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:58:46 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Damn... I love this group... thanks for sharing and educating.  My
> personal goal to learn a bit more each day of living has been satisfied
> via this exchange...

Thank you.


> I would write more, but the sunshine is drifting on the driveway yet
> again

Some people have it rough!  :-)


Craig

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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Damn... I love this group... thanks for sharing and educating.  My personal
goal to learn a bit more each day of living has been satisfied via this
exchange...

I would write more, but the sunshine is drifting on the driveway yet
again

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 3:56 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was being sarcastic. Sorry Craig.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 5:55 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:45:45 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Now, you are getting carried away. We all knew what he meant.
> >
> > It's just my research (Ph.D.) background, plus I didn't know how to spell
> > the word correctly.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> > > On 13/11/2019 4:43 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:27:23 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Probably more germain than germane.
> > > > germane
> > > >  adj.
> > > >  Related to a matter at hand, especially to a subject under
> > > >   discussion. synonym: relevant.
> > > >  Closely akin; german.
> > > >  Hence Bearing a close relation; relevant; pertinent.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Germane
> > > >  Germane is the chemical compound with the formula GeH4, and the
> > > >  germanium analogue of methane. It is the simplest germanium
> > > > hydride and one of the most useful compounds of germanium. Like the
> > > > related compounds silane and methane, germane is tetrahedral. It
> > > > burns in air to produce GeO2 and water. Germane is a group 14
> hydride.
> > > >
> > > >  Germane is a highly flammable, potentially pyrophoric, and a
> > > > highly toxic gas. In 1970, the American Conference of Governmental
> > > > Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) published the latest changes and set
> the
> > > >  occupational exposure threshold limit value at 0.2 ppm for an
> > > > 8-hour time weighted average. The LC50 for rats at 1 hour of exposure
> > > > is 622 ppm [0.0622%].
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Germain
> > > > See also: germain and gèrmain
> > > >  Etymology A patronymic from a medieval given name, identical
> > > > with the French one; or from an ethnic term for a German.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > germain
> > > >English
> > > >  Adjective
> > > >  Obsolete form of germane.
> > > >Part or all of this entry has been imported from the 1913
> > > > edition of Webster’s Dictionary, which is now free of copyright and
> > > > hence in the public domain. The imported definitions may be
> > > > significantly out of date, and any more recent senses may be
> > > > completely missing. (See the entry for germain in Webster’s Revised
> > > > Unabridged Dictionary, G. & C. Merriam, 1913.)
> > > >
> > > >French
> > > >  Etymology 1
> > > >From Old French, borrowed from Latin germānus.
> > > >  Adjective
> > > >germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural
> germains,
> > > >  feminine plural germaines)
> > > >1. german (having the same mother and father)
> > > >
> > > >  Etymology 2
> > > >From Old French, borrowed from Latin Germānus.
> > > >  Adjective
> > > >germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural
> germains,
> > > >  feminine plural germaines)
> > > >1. Germanic, German
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gèrmain
> > > >  Norman
> > > >Etymology  From Old French germain, borrowed from Latin
> > > > germānus. Adjective
> > > >gèrmain m
> > > >1. (Jersey) german
> > > >  Derived terms
> > > >couôsîn gèrmain (“first cousin”)
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] List Mom

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I was being sarcastic. Sorry Craig.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 5:55 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:45:45 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Now, you are getting carried away. We all knew what he meant.
>
> It's just my research (Ph.D.) background, plus I didn't know how to spell
> the word correctly.
>
> Craig
>
>
> > On 13/11/2019 4:43 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > > On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:27:23 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Probably more germain than germane.
> > > germane
> > >  adj.
> > >  Related to a matter at hand, especially to a subject under
> > >   discussion. synonym: relevant.
> > >  Closely akin; german.
> > >  Hence Bearing a close relation; relevant; pertinent.
> > >
> > >
> > > Germane
> > >  Germane is the chemical compound with the formula GeH4, and the
> > >  germanium analogue of methane. It is the simplest germanium
> > > hydride and one of the most useful compounds of germanium. Like the
> > > related compounds silane and methane, germane is tetrahedral. It
> > > burns in air to produce GeO2 and water. Germane is a group 14 hydride.
> > >
> > >  Germane is a highly flammable, potentially pyrophoric, and a
> > > highly toxic gas. In 1970, the American Conference of Governmental
> > > Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) published the latest changes and set the
> > >  occupational exposure threshold limit value at 0.2 ppm for an
> > > 8-hour time weighted average. The LC50 for rats at 1 hour of exposure
> > > is 622 ppm [0.0622%].
> > >
> > >
> > > Germain
> > > See also: germain and gèrmain
> > >  Etymology A patronymic from a medieval given name, identical
> > > with the French one; or from an ethnic term for a German.
> > >
> > >
> > > germain
> > >English
> > >  Adjective
> > >  Obsolete form of germane.
> > >Part or all of this entry has been imported from the 1913
> > > edition of Webster’s Dictionary, which is now free of copyright and
> > > hence in the public domain. The imported definitions may be
> > > significantly out of date, and any more recent senses may be
> > > completely missing. (See the entry for germain in Webster’s Revised
> > > Unabridged Dictionary, G. & C. Merriam, 1913.)
> > >
> > >French
> > >  Etymology 1
> > >From Old French, borrowed from Latin germānus.
> > >  Adjective
> > >germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural germains,
> > >  feminine plural germaines)
> > >1. german (having the same mother and father)
> > >
> > >  Etymology 2
> > >From Old French, borrowed from Latin Germānus.
> > >  Adjective
> > >germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural germains,
> > >  feminine plural germaines)
> > >1. Germanic, German
> > >
> > >
> > > gèrmain
> > >  Norman
> > >Etymology  From Old French germain, borrowed from Latin
> > > germānus. Adjective
> > >gèrmain m
> > >1. (Jersey) german
> > >  Derived terms
> > >couôsîn gèrmain (“first cousin”)
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:47:07 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
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> Not that it wasn't interesting.

Thanks. Having had friends who worked in the semiconductor industry,
I had heard of silane and germane and their extreme toxicity.


Craig

> On 13/11/2019 4:43 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:27:23 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Probably more germain than germane.
> > germane
> >  adj.
> >  Related to a matter at hand, especially to a subject under
> >   discussion. synonym: relevant.
> >  Closely akin; german.
> >  Hence Bearing a close relation; relevant; pertinent.
> >
> >
> > Germane
> >  Germane is the chemical compound with the formula GeH4, and the
> >  germanium analogue of methane. It is the simplest germanium
> > hydride and one of the most useful compounds of germanium. Like the
> > related compounds silane and methane, germane is tetrahedral. It
> > burns in air to produce GeO2 and water. Germane is a group 14 hydride.
> >
> >  Germane is a highly flammable, potentially pyrophoric, and a
> > highly toxic gas. In 1970, the American Conference of Governmental
> > Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) published the latest changes and set the
> >  occupational exposure threshold limit value at 0.2 ppm for an
> > 8-hour time weighted average. The LC50 for rats at 1 hour of exposure
> > is 622 ppm [0.0622%].
> >
> >
> > Germain
> > See also: germain and gèrmain
> >  Etymology A patronymic from a medieval given name, identical
> > with the French one; or from an ethnic term for a German.
> >
> >
> > germain
> >English
> >  Adjective
> >  Obsolete form of germane.
> >Part or all of this entry has been imported from the 1913
> > edition of Webster’s Dictionary, which is now free of copyright and
> > hence in the public domain. The imported definitions may be
> > significantly out of date, and any more recent senses may be
> > completely missing. (See the entry for germain in Webster’s Revised
> > Unabridged Dictionary, G. & C. Merriam, 1913.)
> >
> >French
> >  Etymology 1
> >From Old French, borrowed from Latin germānus.
> >  Adjective
> >germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural germains,
> >  feminine plural germaines)
> >1. german (having the same mother and father)
> >
> >  Etymology 2
> >From Old French, borrowed from Latin Germānus.
> >  Adjective
> >germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural germains,
> >  feminine plural germaines)
> >1. Germanic, German
> >
> >
> > gèrmain
> >  Norman
> >Etymology  From Old French germain, borrowed from Latin
> > germānus. Adjective
> >gèrmain m
> >1. (Jersey) german
> >  Derived terms
> >couôsîn gèrmain (“first cousin”)

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On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:45:45 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
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> Now, you are getting carried away. We all knew what he meant.

It's just my research (Ph.D.) background, plus I didn't know how to spell
the word correctly.

Craig

 
> On 13/11/2019 4:43 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:27:23 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Probably more germain than germane.
> > germane
> >  adj.
> >  Related to a matter at hand, especially to a subject under
> >   discussion. synonym: relevant.
> >  Closely akin; german.
> >  Hence Bearing a close relation; relevant; pertinent.
> >
> >
> > Germane
> >  Germane is the chemical compound with the formula GeH4, and the
> >  germanium analogue of methane. It is the simplest germanium
> > hydride and one of the most useful compounds of germanium. Like the
> > related compounds silane and methane, germane is tetrahedral. It
> > burns in air to produce GeO2 and water. Germane is a group 14 hydride.
> >
> >  Germane is a highly flammable, potentially pyrophoric, and a
> > highly toxic gas. In 1970, the American Conference of Governmental
> > Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) published the latest changes and set the
> >  occupational exposure threshold limit value at 0.2 ppm for an
> > 8-hour time weighted average. The LC50 for rats at 1 hour of exposure
> > is 622 ppm [0.0622%].
> >
> >
> > Germain
> > See also: germain and gèrmain
> >  Etymology A patronymic from a medieval given name, identical
> > with the French one; or from an ethnic term for a German.
> >
> >
> > germain
> >English
> >  Adjective
> >  Obsolete form of germane.
> >Part or all of this entry has been imported from the 1913
> > edition of Webster’s Dictionary, which is now free of copyright and
> > hence in the public domain. The imported definitions may be
> > significantly out of date, and any more recent senses may be
> > completely missing. (See the entry for germain in Webster’s Revised
> > Unabridged Dictionary, G. & C. Merriam, 1913.)
> >
> >French
> >  Etymology 1
> >From Old French, borrowed from Latin germānus.
> >  Adjective
> >germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural germains,
> >  feminine plural germaines)
> >1. german (having the same mother and father)
> >
> >  Etymology 2
> >From Old French, borrowed from Latin Germānus.
> >  Adjective
> >germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural germains,
> >  feminine plural germaines)
> >1. Germanic, German
> >
> >
> > gèrmain
> >  Norman
> >Etymology  From Old French germain, borrowed from Latin
> > germānus. Adjective
> >gèrmain m
> >1. (Jersey) german
> >  Derived terms
> >couôsîn gèrmain (“first cousin”)
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Not that it wasn't interesting.

Randy

On 13/11/2019 4:43 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:27:23 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
 wrote:


Probably more germain than germane.

germane
 adj.
 Related to a matter at hand, especially to a subject under
  discussion. synonym: relevant.
 Closely akin; german.
 Hence Bearing a close relation; relevant; pertinent.


Germane
 Germane is the chemical compound with the formula GeH4, and the
 germanium analogue of methane. It is the simplest germanium hydride
 and one of the most useful compounds of germanium. Like the related
 compounds silane and methane, germane is tetrahedral. It burns in air
 to produce GeO2 and water. Germane is a group 14 hydride.

 Germane is a highly flammable, potentially pyrophoric, and a highly
 toxic gas. In 1970, the American Conference of Governmental Industrial
 Hygienists (ACGIH) published the latest changes and set the
 occupational exposure threshold limit value at 0.2 ppm for an 8-hour
 time weighted average. The LC50 for rats at 1 hour of exposure is
 622 ppm [0.0622%].


Germain
See also: germain and gèrmain
 Etymology A patronymic from a medieval given name, identical with the
   French one; or from an ethnic term for a German.


germain
   English
 Adjective
 Obsolete form of germane.
   Part or all of this entry has been imported from the 1913 edition of
   Webster’s Dictionary, which is now free of copyright and hence in
   the public domain. The imported definitions may be significantly out
   of date, and any more recent senses may be completely missing. (See
   the entry for germain in Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary,
   G. & C. Merriam, 1913.)

   French
 Etymology 1
   From Old French, borrowed from Latin germānus.
 Adjective
   germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural germains,
 feminine plural germaines)
   1. german (having the same mother and father)

 Etymology 2
   From Old French, borrowed from Latin Germānus.
 Adjective
   germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural germains,
 feminine plural germaines)
   1. Germanic, German


gèrmain
 Norman
   Etymology  From Old French germain, borrowed from Latin germānus.
 Adjective
   gèrmain m
   1. (Jersey) german
 Derived terms
   couôsîn gèrmain (“first cousin”)

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Now, you are getting carried away. We all knew what he meant.

Randy


On 13/11/2019 4:43 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:27:23 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
 wrote:


Probably more germain than germane.

germane
 adj.
 Related to a matter at hand, especially to a subject under
  discussion. synonym: relevant.
 Closely akin; german.
 Hence Bearing a close relation; relevant; pertinent.


Germane
 Germane is the chemical compound with the formula GeH4, and the
 germanium analogue of methane. It is the simplest germanium hydride
 and one of the most useful compounds of germanium. Like the related
 compounds silane and methane, germane is tetrahedral. It burns in air
 to produce GeO2 and water. Germane is a group 14 hydride.

 Germane is a highly flammable, potentially pyrophoric, and a highly
 toxic gas. In 1970, the American Conference of Governmental Industrial
 Hygienists (ACGIH) published the latest changes and set the
 occupational exposure threshold limit value at 0.2 ppm for an 8-hour
 time weighted average. The LC50 for rats at 1 hour of exposure is
 622 ppm [0.0622%].


Germain
See also: germain and gèrmain
 Etymology A patronymic from a medieval given name, identical with the
   French one; or from an ethnic term for a German.


germain
   English
 Adjective
 Obsolete form of germane.
   Part or all of this entry has been imported from the 1913 edition of
   Webster’s Dictionary, which is now free of copyright and hence in
   the public domain. The imported definitions may be significantly out
   of date, and any more recent senses may be completely missing. (See
   the entry for germain in Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary,
   G. & C. Merriam, 1913.)

   French
 Etymology 1
   From Old French, borrowed from Latin germānus.
 Adjective
   germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural germains,
 feminine plural germaines)
   1. german (having the same mother and father)

 Etymology 2
   From Old French, borrowed from Latin Germānus.
 Adjective
   germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural germains,
 feminine plural germaines)
   1. Germanic, German


gèrmain
 Norman
   Etymology  From Old French germain, borrowed from Latin germānus.
 Adjective
   gèrmain m
   1. (Jersey) german
 Derived terms
   couôsîn gèrmain (“first cousin”)

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On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:27:23 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Probably more germain than germane.

germane
adj.
Related to a matter at hand, especially to a subject under
 discussion. synonym: relevant.
Closely akin; german.
Hence Bearing a close relation; relevant; pertinent.


Germane
Germane is the chemical compound with the formula GeH4, and the
germanium analogue of methane. It is the simplest germanium hydride
and one of the most useful compounds of germanium. Like the related
compounds silane and methane, germane is tetrahedral. It burns in air
to produce GeO2 and water. Germane is a group 14 hydride.

Germane is a highly flammable, potentially pyrophoric, and a highly
toxic gas. In 1970, the American Conference of Governmental Industrial
Hygienists (ACGIH) published the latest changes and set the
occupational exposure threshold limit value at 0.2 ppm for an 8-hour
time weighted average. The LC50 for rats at 1 hour of exposure is
622 ppm [0.0622%].


Germain
See also: germain and gèrmain
Etymology A patronymic from a medieval given name, identical with the
  French one; or from an ethnic term for a German. 


germain
  English
Adjective
Obsolete form of germane.
  Part or all of this entry has been imported from the 1913 edition of
  Webster’s Dictionary, which is now free of copyright and hence in
  the public domain. The imported definitions may be significantly out
  of date, and any more recent senses may be completely missing. (See
  the entry for germain in Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary,
  G. & C. Merriam, 1913.)

  French
Etymology 1
  From Old French, borrowed from Latin germānus.
Adjective
  germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural germains,
feminine plural germaines)
  1. german (having the same mother and father)

Etymology 2
  From Old French, borrowed from Latin Germānus.
Adjective
  germain (feminine singular germaine, masculine plural germains,
feminine plural germaines)
  1. Germanic, German


gèrmain
Norman
  Etymology  From Old French germain, borrowed from Latin germānus.
Adjective
  gèrmain m
  1. (Jersey) german
Derived terms
  couôsîn gèrmain (“first cousin”)

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Guenther Schwab, an Austrian, aligned himself with a group that best matched 
his conservationist beliefs in the 1920’s.  Deep into blood and soil being 
bonded and radical environmental thought.  He wrote a book in 1958, "Dance with 
the Devil”.  It preached about rising CO2 and became the guide book for the 
Climate Change socialists.  An inconvenient truth is that a TN senator became 
enthralled by his theories, the same as the guy who wrote a book about “His 
Struggles”, 80 years before.  There were many other fellow travelers over the 
last century and more espousing radical ideals, Marx, Lenin, and bleating sheep 
following along.  Much like the coal rollers with holes in their hoods that 
make Pierre unhappy

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> On Nov 13, 2019, at 6:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Discussions on climate change are indirectly automotive in nature as cars are 
> blamed for it. The question I keep asking those who preach that climate 
> change is man-made is why are the polar ice caps on Mars melting? I never get 
> an answer. As far as I’m concerned, melting Martian polar ice caps is all the 
> evidence I need to believe that man-made climate change is a complete and 
> utter sham.


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Probably more germain than germane.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 10:33 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Germain to a German list!
>
> --FT
>
> On 11/13/19 1:23 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > Well said Herr Mann.   And exactly WHY it IS germain to this list.
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Germain to a German list!

--FT

On 11/13/19 1:23 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Well said Herr Mann.   And exactly WHY it IS germain to this list. 


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Discussions on climate change are indirectly automotive in nature as cars are 
blamed for it. The question I keep asking those who preach that climate change 
is man-made is why are the polar ice caps on Mars melting? I never get an 
answer. As far as I’m concerned, melting Martian polar ice caps is all the 
evidence I need to believe that man-made climate change is a complete and utter 
sham.

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> On Nov 13, 2019, at 9:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Germane.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:24 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well said Herr Mann.   And exactly WHY it IS germain to this list.
>> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 11/12/19 5:24 PM:
>>> I would like to make an "al bore" comment that does have Mercedes
>> content.
>>> While having nothing to do with politics.
>>> It is:
>>> The whole specter of "global warming" as it has been sold to the public
>> has
>>> had a huge impact on how Diesel engines, thus Mercedes cars, has been and
>>> are now perceived as in "Diesels pollute" and "It smells bad thus it must
>>> be spewing toxic waste into the air" arguments.. which are then segued
>> into
>>> the whole "global warming argument"...
>>> The result has been a huge downturn in Mercedes Diesel production of
>> future
>>> designs, less support for older Mercedes in the way of parts and repair
>>> shops, and increased cost for both... all as the result of the whole
>>> "global warming" arguments made by influential individuals in the public
>>> forums.
>>> 
>>> As intelligent people, regardless of political opinions held, we all look
>>> at facts more than fantasy, and the public arguments made by those of the
>>> Al Gore persuasion are now failing the fact check criteria of sound
>>> scientific investigation, it seems.
>>> Strong evidence has been brought forward the foundational premise was
>> both
>>> flawed, and embellished [here stands controversy which is better
>> discussed
>>> elsewhere].
>>> 
>>> Regardless, right or wrong, fact or fiction, it has had a real impact on
>>> what we are about here, which is Mercedes cars and how to keep them
>> running
>>> and supported.
>>> 
>>> Respectfully,
>>> G.Mann
>>> 
>> 
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Germane.

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:24 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well said Herr Mann.   And exactly WHY it IS germain to this list.
>
> G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 11/12/19 5:24 PM:
> > I would like to make an "al bore" comment that does have Mercedes
> content.
> > While having nothing to do with politics.
> > It is:
> > The whole specter of "global warming" as it has been sold to the public
> has
> > had a huge impact on how Diesel engines, thus Mercedes cars, has been and
> > are now perceived as in "Diesels pollute" and "It smells bad thus it must
> > be spewing toxic waste into the air" arguments.. which are then segued
> into
> > the whole "global warming argument"...
> > The result has been a huge downturn in Mercedes Diesel production of
> future
> > designs, less support for older Mercedes in the way of parts and repair
> > shops, and increased cost for both... all as the result of the whole
> > "global warming" arguments made by influential individuals in the public
> > forums.
> >
> > As intelligent people, regardless of political opinions held, we all look
> > at facts more than fantasy, and the public arguments made by those of the
> > Al Gore persuasion are now failing the fact check criteria of sound
> > scientific investigation, it seems.
> > Strong evidence has been brought forward the foundational premise was
> both
> > flawed, and embellished [here stands controversy which is better
> discussed
> > elsewhere].
> >
> > Regardless, right or wrong, fact or fiction, it has had a real impact on
> > what we are about here, which is Mercedes cars and how to keep them
> running
> > and supported.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > G.Mann
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] List Mom

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well said Herr Mann.   And exactly WHY it IS germain to this list.

G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 11/12/19 5:24 PM:

I would like to make an "al bore" comment that does have Mercedes content.
While having nothing to do with politics.
It is:
The whole specter of "global warming" as it has been sold to the public has
had a huge impact on how Diesel engines, thus Mercedes cars, has been and
are now perceived as in "Diesels pollute" and "It smells bad thus it must
be spewing toxic waste into the air" arguments.. which are then segued into
the whole "global warming argument"...
The result has been a huge downturn in Mercedes Diesel production of future
designs, less support for older Mercedes in the way of parts and repair
shops, and increased cost for both... all as the result of the whole
"global warming" arguments made by influential individuals in the public
forums.

As intelligent people, regardless of political opinions held, we all look
at facts more than fantasy, and the public arguments made by those of the
Al Gore persuasion are now failing the fact check criteria of sound
scientific investigation, it seems.
Strong evidence has been brought forward the foundational premise was both
flawed, and embellished [here stands controversy which is better discussed
elsewhere].

Regardless, right or wrong, fact or fiction, it has had a real impact on
what we are about here, which is Mercedes cars and how to keep them running
and supported.

Respectfully,
G.Mann




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Re: [MBZ] List Mom

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Still the wrong list. Remember Dr. BOOTH.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 6:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I would like to make an "al bore" comment that does have Mercedes content.
> While having nothing to do with politics.
> It is:
> The whole specter of "global warming" as it has been sold to the public has
> had a huge impact on how Diesel engines, thus Mercedes cars, has been and
> are now perceived as in "Diesels pollute" and "It smells bad thus it must
> be spewing toxic waste into the air" arguments.. which are then segued into
> the whole "global warming argument"...
> The result has been a huge downturn in Mercedes Diesel production of future
> designs, less support for older Mercedes in the way of parts and repair
> shops, and increased cost for both... all as the result of the whole
> "global warming" arguments made by influential individuals in the public
> forums.
>
> As intelligent people, regardless of political opinions held, we all look
> at facts more than fantasy, and the public arguments made by those of the
> Al Gore persuasion are now failing the fact check criteria of sound
> scientific investigation, it seems.
> Strong evidence has been brought forward the foundational premise was both
> flawed, and embellished [here stands controversy which is better discussed
> elsewhere].
>
> Regardless, right or wrong, fact or fiction, it has had a real impact on
> what we are about here, which is Mercedes cars and how to keep them running
> and supported.
>
> Respectfully,
> G.Mann
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 2:24 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That would be an illegal kickback subject to RICO.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 3:13 PM Kaleb Striplin 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Yea, which I should split 70/30 with poos.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We need to start a Go Fund Me campaign to assure that Dan remains as
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> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>> I’m being preemptive. Don’t like it?
> > > >>> You’re welcome to take over the responsibilities of running the
> list.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ugh. No thanks.
> > > >>
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Re: [MBZ] List Mom

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I would like to make an "al bore" comment that does have Mercedes content.
While having nothing to do with politics.
It is:
The whole specter of "global warming" as it has been sold to the public has
had a huge impact on how Diesel engines, thus Mercedes cars, has been and
are now perceived as in "Diesels pollute" and "It smells bad thus it must
be spewing toxic waste into the air" arguments.. which are then segued into
the whole "global warming argument"...
The result has been a huge downturn in Mercedes Diesel production of future
designs, less support for older Mercedes in the way of parts and repair
shops, and increased cost for both... all as the result of the whole
"global warming" arguments made by influential individuals in the public
forums.

As intelligent people, regardless of political opinions held, we all look
at facts more than fantasy, and the public arguments made by those of the
Al Gore persuasion are now failing the fact check criteria of sound
scientific investigation, it seems.
Strong evidence has been brought forward the foundational premise was both
flawed, and embellished [here stands controversy which is better discussed
elsewhere].

Regardless, right or wrong, fact or fiction, it has had a real impact on
what we are about here, which is Mercedes cars and how to keep them running
and supported.

Respectfully,
G.Mann


On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 2:24 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That would be an illegal kickback subject to RICO.
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 3:13 PM Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
>
> > Yea, which I should split 70/30 with poos.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > We need to start a Go Fund Me campaign to assure that Dan remains as
> the
> > > list dad.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 12:47 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>> I’m being preemptive. Don’t like it?
> > >>> You’re welcome to take over the responsibilities of running the list.
> > >>
> > >> Ugh. No thanks.
> > >>
> > >> Rick
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] List Mom

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That would be an illegal kickback subject to RICO.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 3:13 PM Kaleb Striplin  wrote:

> Yea, which I should split 70/30 with poos.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > We need to start a Go Fund Me campaign to assure that Dan remains as the
> > list dad.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 12:47 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> I’m being preemptive. Don’t like it?
> >>> You’re welcome to take over the responsibilities of running the list.
> >>
> >> Ugh. No thanks.
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea, which I should split 70/30 with poos. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We need to start a Go Fund Me campaign to assure that Dan remains as the
> list dad.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 12:47 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I’m being preemptive. Don’t like it?
>>> You’re welcome to take over the responsibilities of running the list.
>> 
>> Ugh. No thanks.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] List Mom

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I like things the way they are.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 1:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Nope. I wouldn’t do it if it was paid. Too many things change when money
> is involved.
>
> Send money to Kaleb to pay for the hosting if you want to contribute.
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> But thanks for the thought/idea.
>
> List Mom
>
> > On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > We need to start a Go Fund Me campaign to assure that Dan remains as the
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> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 12:47 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> I’m being preemptive. Don’t like it?
> >>> You’re welcome to take over the responsibilities of running the list.
> >>
> >> Ugh. No thanks.
> >>
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope. I wouldn’t do it if it was paid. Too many things change when money is 
involved.

Send money to Kaleb to pay for the hosting if you want to contribute.

But thanks for the thought/idea.

List Mom

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We need to start a Go Fund Me campaign to assure that Dan remains as the
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> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 12:47 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I’m being preemptive. Don’t like it?
>>> You’re welcome to take over the responsibilities of running the list.
>> 
>> Ugh. No thanks.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] List Mom

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

We need to start a Go Fund Me campaign to assure that Dan remains as the
list dad.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 12:47 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> >I’m being preemptive. Don’t like it?
> >You’re welcome to take over the responsibilities of running the list.
>
> Ugh. No thanks.
>
> Rick
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>I’m being preemptive. Don’t like it? 
>You’re welcome to take over the responsibilities of running the list.

Ugh. No thanks. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] List Mom

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I agree that it’s not political for the most part, but bringing a former 
politician who has a very clearly and hotly contested agenda will cause the 
exchanges to devolve into unpleasant rhetoric between the various parties.

It’s not germane to the topics here, and you’re making assumptions for others 
that you have no right to do so. I’m being preemptive. Don’t like it? You’re 
welcome to take over the responsibilities of running the list.

List Mom

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Now come on Dan. That is hardly political comment. I suggest that most of the 
> folks on the list are not convinced that the "climate change" or "global 
> warming" issue is totally true.
> We have a potential issue but it remains unproven. My recollection is that 
> back in the 1970s the scientists were certain we were headed for another ice 
> age. Now they think that it is going the other way.  In Canada, the whole 
> issue appears to be nothing more than another tax grab by the government. Our 
> population is small and our country large. We have lots of trees etc. We 
> produce lots of electricity without burning coal etc. Nevertheless, despite 
> the fact that whatever we do is a proverbial "drop in the bucket" when China 
> and India and even the USA does not appear willing to do much about this 
> potential concern, our government is prepared to make us pay an ever 
> increasing carbon tax so that our Prime Minister can hold himself out to be a 
> saviour and get applauded by 3rd world countries at the UN.
> 
> We have come to the point where we are unable to express our views unless 
> they are approved as politically correct by the left wing media.
> 
> I don't know how much Canadian news you folks get but right now, there is an 
> uproar over comments made by Don Cherry. He complained on national television 
> that our new immigrant citizens do not appear to respect Remembrance Day. Now 
> he is accused of being "mean" and saying "hurtful" things. No one is 
> permitted to have an opinion that differs from the left leaning media and one 
> must not complain about the failure of immigrants to accept our long term way 
> of life in this country or they are branded as racist etc.
> 
> I am willing to bet that the majority of people in Canada feel the same way 
> that Don Cherry does but most are unwilling to admit it.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 12/11/2019 8:21 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Stop. Not appropriate.
>> 
>> List Mom
>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Must be in chicago.
>>> 
>>> For 20-30 years ol al has been telling us we are gonna die from heat in 20 
>>> years.   That has come and gone (Title of a good Mason Proffit album too)   
>>> I'm still waiting for the warm tropical temps ol al promised. 2/3 of the 
>>> country is freezing.   Record cold, etc.   Personally, I like tropical 
>>> temps.  Bring it on!  Jungles eat CO2 in the air, and replace it with O2.  
>>> We need more tropics!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don't say it!  No!  Ol al couldn't be wrong
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Hey, the rest of the group has been on this thread for days. That was my 
first and only post on the subject.


RB

On 27/02/2018 11:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Randy,

No more, please.

Mom



On Feb 27, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:

On 27/02/2018 8:40 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Didn't you read the list mom's admonition to stay on topic? You are more
than deplorable -you're incorrigible.


I find it interesting that the believers want to stifle the deniers.
Also that the believers are still prepared to drive these dirty old diesels.
One would think that a true believer would walk or ride a bicycle or something 
equally pure and avoid the fossil fuel burning automobile.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

DAMN!

I did it again.  Sorry to keep drudging this up.  I will stay quiet for now on

clay 

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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

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> On Feb 27, 2018, at 6:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Put a sock on it, both of you.  You’re acting like a couple of petulant five 
> year olds.
> 
> If you want to play the “last word” game you will be moderated.  Period.
> 
> List Mom
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Mt. Pinatubo was more effective.

clay 

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> On Feb 26, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mt st helens did that pretty much all by itself in 1980
> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> February 25, 2018 at 12:40 PM
>> Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions around
>> the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more emissions
>> of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
>> age".
>> 
>> Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme of
>> things global.
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Randy,

No more, please.

Mom


> On Feb 27, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 27/02/2018 8:40 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Didn't you read the list mom's admonition to stay on topic? You are more
>> than deplorable -you're incorrigible.
>> 
> 
> I find it interesting that the believers want to stifle the deniers.
> Also that the believers are still prepared to drive these dirty old diesels.
> One would think that a true believer would walk or ride a bicycle or 
> something equally pure and avoid the fossil fuel burning automobile.
> 
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On 27/02/2018 8:40 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Didn't you read the list mom's admonition to stay on topic? You are more
than deplorable -you're incorrigible.



I find it interesting that the believers want to stifle the deniers.
Also that the believers are still prepared to drive these dirty old diesels.
One would think that a true believer would walk or ride a bicycle or 
something equally pure and avoid the fossil fuel burning automobile.


RB

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Put a sock on it, both of you.  You’re acting like a couple of petulant five 
year olds.

If you want to play the “last word” game you will be moderated.  Period.

List Mom


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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Didn't you read the list mom's admonition to stay on topic? You are more
than deplorable -you're incorrigible.

On Feb 27, 2018 12:26 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Snopes has also been proven to use lies to "prove" lies.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> February 25, 2018 at 1:12 PM
>> Sorry - forgot the link.
>>
>> https://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/
>>
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Snopes has also been proven to use lies to "prove" lies.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
February 25, 2018 at 1:12 PM
Sorry - forgot the link.

https://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/



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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

So all the scientists at the Gummit run Volcano Observatory are BS?  I 
don't think so, because they said the same thing before and after the 
albore scam.


"Inconvenient truth," movie and everything albore and his cronies say is 
BS.  They have tried to imtimidate and stifle real science and truth.  
The lies have been exposed.   THe data manipulation to "show" what they 
want to show has been exposed.  There is no "consensus" in real science.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
February 25, 2018 at 1:09 PM
Inconvenient truth, Grant. That is BS..


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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Mt st helens did that pretty much all by itself in 1980


G Mann via Mercedes 
February 25, 2018 at 12:40 PM
Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions around
the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more emissions
of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
age".

Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme of
things global.



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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Take it to banned.  Or Mecca. Enough already

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 26, 2018 8:42 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" 
wrote:

We need to take over northern Africa and reforest the Sahara!  That will
suck up all the badness and only goodness will prevail.  While we are at
it, taking over those latitudes, we can remove the humans, from the area,
and reduce their impact on warming the world.

Allah is great, he will want this to take place.

clay

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>
> Fake news from Dillon while the earth bakes.

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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Some chinese goobermunt car maker has purchased more than 9.5% of DBAG.  Must 
be APA/URO.  Looks like we will all be getting chinese parts now.

clay 

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> On Feb 26, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How,about we,all go back to Mercedes articles?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Feb 26, 2018 11:31 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Andrew - please let me know which articles were backed by the fossil fuels
>> industry.  Help me see the "fake news".
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry - I meant Max.  There is a ton of money from the fossil fuels
>>> industry backing alternate "research".  It's amazing the "facts" that
>> money
>>> can buy.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

We need to take over northern Africa and reforest the Sahara!  That will suck 
up all the badness and only goodness will prevail.  While we are at it, taking 
over those latitudes, we can remove the humans, from the area, and reduce their 
impact on warming the world.

Allah is great, he will want this to take place.

clay 

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1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Feb 26, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fake news from Dillon while the earth bakes.

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

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Especially the "scientific" studies. They start with "we thing the earth is 
warming and are going to prove it by."
Real science is "We think the earth is warming and seek to disprove our 
hypothesis by."

If you go looking for what you expect that is what you will mostly find because 
you will ignore results that don't match your results. Thats why I like 
"Freakonomics" because he starts by trying to disprove his own ideas and only 
accepts results that can't be disproven.

-Curt






On Monday, February 26, 2018, 1:01:44 PM EST, Dwight Giles 
 wrote: 





Including the scientific studies?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 26, 2018 12:50 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"  
wrote:
> I've never seen such a thing. Generally everything I've ever seen or heard 
> about the subject is biased to one side or the other...
> -Curt
> 
> 
>     On Monday, February 26, 2018, 12:43:59 PM EST, Mike Esh via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Can you list a couple of the unbiased sites that i could look at to learn 
> more facts instead of opinions.
> thanks,
> Mike
>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Dwight sez:
>>
>>> ‎I am wondering how many of the listers >posting on this have read any real
>>> research, not political opinion one way or >the other?
>>
>> I have, but I haven't posted, and probably won't.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Including the scientific studies?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 26, 2018 12:50 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I've never seen such a thing. Generally everything I've ever seen or heard
> about the subject is biased to one side or the other...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2018, 12:43:59 PM EST, Mike Esh via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Can you list a couple of the unbiased sites that i could look at to learn
> more facts instead of opinions.
> thanks,
> Mike
> > On Feb 25, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dwight sez:
> >
> >> ‎I am wondering how many of the listers >posting on this have read any
> real
> >> research, not political opinion one way or >the other?
> >
> > I have, but I haven't posted, and probably won't.
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've never seen such a thing. Generally everything I've ever seen or heard 
about the subject is biased to one side or the other...
-Curt
 

On Monday, February 26, 2018, 12:43:59 PM EST, Mike Esh via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Can you list a couple of the unbiased sites that i could look at to learn more 
facts instead of opinions.
thanks,
Mike
> On Feb 25, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dwight sez:
> 
>> ‎I am wondering how many of the listers >posting on this have read any real
>> research, not political opinion one way or >the other?
> 
> I have, but I haven't posted, and probably won't.
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Mike Esh via Mercedes]

Can you list a couple of the unbiased sites that i could look at to learn more 
facts instead of opinions.
thanks,
Mike
> On Feb 25, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dwight sez:
> 
>> ‎I am wondering how many of the listers >posting on this have read any real
>> research, not political opinion one way or >the other?
> 
> I have, but I haven't posted, and probably won't.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah - this OT cr*p is sapping all the positive energy from the forum.  I'm
out.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How,about we,all go back to Mercedes articles?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Feb 26, 2018 11:31 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Andrew - please let me know which articles were backed by the fossil
> fuels
> > industry.  Help me see the "fake news".
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry - I meant Max.  There is a ton of money from the fossil fuels
> > > industry backing alternate "research".  It's amazing the "facts" that
> > money
> > > can buy.
> > >
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[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

How,about we,all go back to Mercedes articles?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 26, 2018 11:31 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Andrew - please let me know which articles were backed by the fossil fuels
> industry.  Help me see the "fake news".
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Sorry - I meant Max.  There is a ton of money from the fossil fuels
> > industry backing alternate "research".  It's amazing the "facts" that
> money
> > can buy.
> >
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Andrew - please let me know which articles were backed by the fossil fuels
industry.  Help me see the "fake news".

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sorry - I meant Max.  There is a ton of money from the fossil fuels
> industry backing alternate "research".  It's amazing the "facts" that money
> can buy.
>
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sorry - I meant Max.  There is a ton of money from the fossil fuels
industry backing alternate "research".  It's amazing the "facts" that money
can buy.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Fake news from Dillon while the earth bakes.
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:06 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Bravo!  :D
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > should be "... a skeptical response to hysteria..."
> > >
> > > -
> > > Max
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Meade Dillon 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > OK, here's my last input.  I look forward to discussing responses to
> > what
> > > > I have posted.
> > > >
> > > > Here is the abstract for the paper behind the petition I posted about
> > > > earlier.
> > > >
> > > > ABSTRACT
> > > >
> > > > A review of the research literature concerning the environmental
> > > > consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads
> to
> > > the
> > > > conclusion that increases during the 20th and early 21st centuries
> have
> > > > produced no deleterious effects upon Earth's weather and climate.
> > > Increased
> > > > carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth.
> > Predictions
> > > > of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in hydrocarbon
> use
> > > and
> > > > minor greenhouse gases like CO2 do not conform to current
> experimental
> > > > knowledge. The environmental effects of rapid expansion of the
> nuclear
> > > and
> > > > hydrocarbon energy industries are discussed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
> > > >
> > > > Over 130 scientific and academic papers are used to support this
> paper.
> > > >
> > > > I certainly hope that we reasonable people can now agree that there
> is
> > no
> > > > scientific consensus and that a aseptically response to hysteria
> about
> > > > "global warming" is a reasonable and well supported response, and
> > should
> > > > not be met with ridicule and name calling.
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Max
> > > > Charleston SC
> > > >
> > > >
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Fake news from Dillon while the earth bakes.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:06 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bravo!  :D
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > should be "... a skeptical response to hysteria..."
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Meade Dillon 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > OK, here's my last input.  I look forward to discussing responses to
> what
> > > I have posted.
> > >
> > > Here is the abstract for the paper behind the petition I posted about
> > > earlier.
> > >
> > > ABSTRACT
> > >
> > > A review of the research literature concerning the environmental
> > > consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads to
> > the
> > > conclusion that increases during the 20th and early 21st centuries have
> > > produced no deleterious effects upon Earth's weather and climate.
> > Increased
> > > carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth.
> Predictions
> > > of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in hydrocarbon use
> > and
> > > minor greenhouse gases like CO2 do not conform to current experimental
> > > knowledge. The environmental effects of rapid expansion of the nuclear
> > and
> > > hydrocarbon energy industries are discussed.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
> > >
> > > Over 130 scientific and academic papers are used to support this paper.
> > >
> > > I certainly hope that we reasonable people can now agree that there is
> no
> > > scientific consensus and that a aseptically response to hysteria about
> > > "global warming" is a reasonable and well supported response, and
> should
> > > not be met with ridicule and name calling.
> > >
> > > -
> > > Max
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Bravo!  :D

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> should be "... a skeptical response to hysteria..."
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Meade Dillon 
> wrote:
>
> > OK, here's my last input.  I look forward to discussing responses to what
> > I have posted.
> >
> > Here is the abstract for the paper behind the petition I posted about
> > earlier.
> >
> > ABSTRACT
> >
> > A review of the research literature concerning the environmental
> > consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads to
> the
> > conclusion that increases during the 20th and early 21st centuries have
> > produced no deleterious effects upon Earth's weather and climate.
> Increased
> > carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth. Predictions
> > of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in hydrocarbon use
> and
> > minor greenhouse gases like CO2 do not conform to current experimental
> > knowledge. The environmental effects of rapid expansion of the nuclear
> and
> > hydrocarbon energy industries are discussed.
> >
> >
> > http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
> >
> > Over 130 scientific and academic papers are used to support this paper.
> >
> > I certainly hope that we reasonable people can now agree that there is no
> > scientific consensus and that a aseptically response to hysteria about
> > "global warming" is a reasonable and well supported response, and should
> > not be met with ridicule and name calling.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

should be "... a skeptical response to hysteria..."

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> OK, here's my last input.  I look forward to discussing responses to what
> I have posted.
>
> Here is the abstract for the paper behind the petition I posted about
> earlier.
>
> ABSTRACT
>
> A review of the research literature concerning the environmental
> consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads to the
> conclusion that increases during the 20th and early 21st centuries have
> produced no deleterious effects upon Earth's weather and climate. Increased
> carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth. Predictions
> of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in hydrocarbon use and
> minor greenhouse gases like CO2 do not conform to current experimental
> knowledge. The environmental effects of rapid expansion of the nuclear and
> hydrocarbon energy industries are discussed.
>
>
> http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
>
> Over 130 scientific and academic papers are used to support this paper.
>
> I certainly hope that we reasonable people can now agree that there is no
> scientific consensus and that a aseptically response to hysteria about
> "global warming" is a reasonable and well supported response, and should
> not be met with ridicule and name calling.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

OK, here's my last input.  I look forward to discussing responses to what I
have posted.

Here is the abstract for the paper behind the petition I posted about
earlier.

ABSTRACT

A review of the research literature concerning the environmental
consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads to the
conclusion that increases during the 20th and early 21st centuries have
produced no deleterious effects upon Earth's weather and climate. Increased
carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth. Predictions
of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in hydrocarbon use and
minor greenhouse gases like CO2 do not conform to current experimental
knowledge. The environmental effects of rapid expansion of the nuclear and
hydrocarbon energy industries are discussed.


http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm

Over 130 scientific and academic papers are used to support this paper.

I certainly hope that we reasonable people can now agree that there is no
scientific consensus and that a aseptically response to hysteria about
"global warming" is a reasonable and well supported response, and should
not be met with ridicule and name calling.

-
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Here is a very short scientific explanation of why CO2 is not a greenhouse
gas.  Please tell me if you can find any errors in this paper.



*Why MAN MADE Global Warming is Ridiculous*
*Burr Passenheim (Ph.D. Physics)*

The earth's temperature is changing, and has always been changing. And
mankind's contribution is insignificant.

The earth receives all of its energy from the sun in the form of sunlight.
To us that light looks white. A physicist would say it is "blackbody"
radiation from an object (the sun) at about 6000-deg(Kelvin). A rainbow
shows that "white" light is actually composed of colors from violet to red.
Visible light's spectrum peaks at a wavelength about 0.5 microns (green).
At the top of our atmosphere the solar intensity is about 1 (kilowatt per
square meter).

The sun heats the earth to a temperature [roughly 300 deg(K)] at which
temperature the earth re-radiates an equal amount of power. A 300 deg(K)
blackbody radiates power in the Infrared (IR) i.e. at wavelengths greater
than 4 microns , with a peak intensity at about 10.0 microns.

All this is necessary for the earth to have a stable temperature (neither
boil nor freeze)

The earth's temperature is dominated by the sun's intensity, which is not
constant, and the earths orbit and tilt, which also vary. But the earth's
atmosphere does have a meaningful role in Global Temperature.

All incident Ultra-Violet (UV) light from the sun is absorbed in earth's
upper atmosphere by Oxygen [mainly Ozone ( O3)] and does not heat the
earth..

All infrared radiation beyond about 20 microns is absorbed by water vapor,
also called humidity, and is trapped in the atmosphere. . Humidity is the
most important greenhouse gas. Humidity is invisible to humans.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is a gas that is ESSENTIAL to all life on earth.
Animals breath in Oxygen (O2) and breath out Carbon Dioxide (CO2)
[respiration]. Plants absorb CO2 and release O2 [photosynthesis]. Without
CO2 there would be no O2 and vise versa, so neither plants nor animals
could exist.

CO2 does have one significant absorption band in the Infrared (IR), at
about 15 microns. CO2 is VERY opaque at that wavelength. Virtually all IR
radiated by the earth at 15 microns is absorbed in about 10 meters (about
30 feet) of air. So raising or lowering the concentration of CO2 does next
to nothing to how opaque the atmosphere is at the 15 microns. You can not
absorb more than everything.

Consider this visible analogy. If an object is black, it means that it has
absorbed all the visible light falling on it. If you add another coat of
black paint, it is not any blacker. It can not absorb more than everything!

To be scrupulously accurate, while all 15-micron IR is 100% absorbed, the
width of the 15 micron band does increase and decrease as the CO2
concentration waxes and wanes. But the absorption of the 15-micron band
increases as the logarithm of the CO2 concentration. This means that to
double the absorption at 15 micron, you need to raise the CO2 concentration
10- fold. To triple the absorption, you must raise the CO2 concentration
100-fold. Keep in mind that CO2 has always been much less important than
humidity, as a green house gas.

And, it is also true that the earth's temperature and atmospheric CO2 seem
to rise and fall together. But if you look a bit closer, the temperature
always "leads" the CO2 concentration. Which means the earth's temperature
is the "cause" and CO2 concentration the "effect", not the other way
around. The reason is, that CO2 is soluble in water (think of carbonated
beverages), and as the oceans warm up they "outgas" CO2. When the oceans
cool down again (ice ages) they reabsorb the CO2.

So it is not worth spending money to reduce man-made CO2, because that is
not the problem…if there is a problem.
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Peter, Andrew, and others who have heard that there is a "consensus" and
that "the science is settled".

Please take a few moments to learn about this group who disagree.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/

Here is a partial list of the signers who's last names start with A:

Earl M. Aagaard, PhD, Charles W. Aami, Roger L. Aamodt, PhD, Wilbur A.
Aanes, M. Robert Aaron, Ralph F. Abate, Hamed K. Abbas, PhD, Paul Abbett,
Wyatt E. Abbitt III, Ursula K. Abbott, PhD, Bernaard J. Abbott, PhD, David
M. Abbott Jr., Frank D. Abbott, Paul Abbott, Donald W. Abbott, Douglas R.
Abbott, David J. Abbott, Eugene Abbott, Refaat A. Abdel-Malek, PhD, Riaz F.
Abdulla, PhD, Albert S. Abdullah, DVM, Alan E. Abel, Jason Abel, Janis I.
Abele, Joseph M. Abell, Robert E. Abell, Gene H. Abels, MD, Philip H.
Abelson, PhD*, Wayne Aben, Jerrold Abernathy, Marshall W. Abernathy, Grady
L. Ables, Earl Arthur Abrahamson, PhD, Robert C. Abrams, Carl M. Abrams,
Alan V. Abrams, MD, Paul B. Abramson, PhD, Jose L. Abreu Jr., Joe L.
Abriola Jr., Ahmed E. Aburahmah, PhD, Austin R. Ace, David A. Acerni, John
W. Achee Sr., Billy R. Achmbaugh, Paul Achmidt, Daniel T. Achord, PhD,
Ernest R. Achterberg, Ava V. Ackerman, DVM, William L. Ackerman, John R.
Ackerman, Gene L. Ackerman, Richard E. Ackermann, Terry D. Ackman, Donald
O. Acrey, Lee Actor, Humberto M. Acuna Jr., Robert K. Adair, PhD, William
G. Adair Jr., Daniel Otis Adam, PhD, Brian D. Adam, PhD, Chris Adam,
Anthony F. Adamo, George Baker





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On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:24 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> Peter, perhaps you are not aware of the 30,000 actual scientists and
> academics who signed a petition to the effect that they don't agree with Al
> Gore and his crowd? In your mind the issue may be settled, but I'll provide
> you the link later to thousands who disagree.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Peter, perhaps you are not aware of the 30,000 actual scientists and academics 
who signed a petition to the effect that they don't agree with Al Gore and his 
crowd?  In your mind the issue may be settled, but I'll provide you the link 
later to thousands who disagree.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

How true.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 25, 2018 10:07 PM, "Peter Frederick via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Have we hit a time warp and returned to 1978 or something?
>
> I don't remember very much doubt amongst the scientist at Forestry Canada
> when I was working there as a post-doc in 1990.  When I was an
> undergraduate in the late 70's there was considerable discussion about
> whether man made climate change was real, but by the late 80's the people
> doing research and looking at data were completely convinced.  By data, not
> religious exhortation or indoctrination.
>
> The actual argument about global warming has been settled in the research
> community for a generation, it's politicians who raise non-tenable
> objections, not scientists.
>
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Have we hit a time warp and returned to 1978 or something?

I don't remember very much doubt amongst the scientist at Forestry Canada when 
I was working there as a post-doc in 1990.  When I was an undergraduate in the 
late 70's there was considerable discussion about whether man made climate 
change was real, but by the late 80's the people doing research and looking at 
data were completely convinced.  By data, not religious exhortation or 
indoctrination.

The actual argument about global warming has been settled in the research 
community for a generation, it's politicians who raise non-tenable objections, 
not scientists.



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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

We have a member of the Los Alamos Labs' impromptu climate group on here. 

And obviously, we have you, Dwight. 

Mitch
> On February 25, 2018 at 9:40 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am wondering how many of the listers posting on this have read any real
> research, not political opinion one way or the other?

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Ok.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 25, 2018 9:44 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Dwight sez:
>
> >‎I am wondering how many of the listers >posting on this have read any
> real
> >research, not political opinion one way or >the other?
>
> I have, but I haven't posted, and probably won't.
>
> Rick
> "Just say No" ‎to cap and trade
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dwight sez:

>‎I am wondering how many of the listers >posting on this have read any real
>research, not political opinion one way or >the other?

I have, but I haven't posted, and probably won't.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

gt;>>  On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew
> >>>> Strasfogel<astrasfogel@gmail.
> >>>>>> com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then
> >> that
> >>>> is
> >>>>>> a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative
> >>>> analysis
> >>>>>> that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas
> >>>>> emissions
> >>>>>> and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a
> >>>> doctrinaire
> >>>>>> refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon
> >>>> footprint
> >>>>>> then I don't give a F what he believes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> >>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers
> >>> and
> >>>>>> thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of
> >>>>> verbiage
> >>>>>> is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be
> >>>> sure
> >>>>>> that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their
> >>>> case.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's what turns a discussion about current events into an
> >> exercise
> >>> of
> >>>>>> (the lowest form of) politics.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Greg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Original Message-
> >>>>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf
> >> Of
> >>>> Curt
> >>>>>> Raymond via Mercedes
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
> >>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
> >>>>>> Cc: Curt Raymond
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore
> >>> crowd.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing
> >>> it.
> >>>>>> Why is it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to
> >>> skepticism?
> >>>>>> Curt
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> >>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers
> >>>> could
> >>>>>> take their show over to banned.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> >>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was
> >>>>>>> oversight on my part.
> >>>>>>> ;))
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> >> <
> >>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Go trump.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing
> >>>>>>>>> current
> >>>>>>>> events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when
> >>>>>>>> politics enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >&g

Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

This “theory” of a link between man and climate change might become more 
plausible when it ceases to be a platform or agenda which stems from one 
particular political party. And more so when it originates from a real 
scientist and not some dummy D student politician who is lining his pockets and 
flying around on private jets. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> So what would it take to convince you that burning fossil fuels isn't
> warming the planet?
> 
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 4:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Respectfully, I do not agree.
>> 1. Snopes.com has a protracted history of comparing applet to oranges and
>> labeling it as "fact". Which they have yet again done in this link. The
>> entirety of the rebuttal is focused on CO2 production in a "presumed
>> volume" by "a " representative volcano. Further, the entire rebuttal is
>> written around only CO2. Again.. apples to oranges called "representative
>> fact", when the volume of gasses and emissions from a volcanic eruption.are
>> composed from a large volume of multiple gasses and particulates, ALL of
>> which have lasting effect of the "ecology".
>> 2. The writers zeal to discredit a book lost in the dustbin of library
>> science is easily exceeded by his/her need to prove his/her chosen
>> dialogue, without proper scientific consideration of any material except
>> CO2, which the scientific community at large freely agree is only one of a
>> host of "greenhouse gasses" ... ie. Remember Freon? What happened to all
>> the Freon which was making a hole in the ozone? How about sulfur dioxide,
>> or nitro us oxide? How about the effect of millions of cubic feet of smoke
>> and dust on the solar heating of the atmosphere? Just to list a few of the
>> materials a proper scientific investigation would look at.
>> 
>> Nice try, no cigar... Have some pepper jelly and a latte`.
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry - forgot the link.
>>> 
>>> https://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Inconvenient truth, Grant.  That is BS..
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:40 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions
>>>> around
>>>>> the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more
>>> emissions
>>>>> of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
>>>>> age".
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme
>>> of
>>>>> things global.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al
>> Gore's
>>>>>> environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU
>>> need
>>>>> to
>>>>>> reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like
>>> him
>>>>>> this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life
>>>> which
>>>>>> ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Curt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew
>>>> Strasfogel<astrasfogel@gmail.
>>>>>> com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then
>> that
>>>> is
>>>>>> a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative
>>>> analysis
>>>>>> that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas
>>>>> emissions
>>>>>> and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a
>>>> doctrinaire
>>>>>> refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
>>>>>> 
>>>>

Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Andrew wrote:

> But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative
> analysis that supports a clear link between human-generated
> greenhouse gas emissions and a warming planet isn't really
> skepticism:  it suggests a doctrinaire refusal to accept an
> inconvenient truth.


To believe the analysis that lacks a clear link between human-generated
greenhouse gas emissions and a change in the climate of the planet
isn't really science:  it suggests a doctrinaire refusal to
accept an inconvenient truth.


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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You forgot to include your real name.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> tin.man wrote:
> > Andrew wrote:
> >> So what would it take to convince you that burning fossil fuels isn't
> >> warming the planet?
>
> ...forgot to trim the post...
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

tin.man wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>> So what would it take to convince you that burning fossil fuels isn't
>> warming the planet?

...forgot to trim the post...

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

gt; > > > > refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon
>> > > footprint
>> > > > > then I don't give a F what he believes.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
>> > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers
>> > and
>> > > > > thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of
>> > > > verbiage
>> > > > > is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be
>> > > sure
>> > > > > that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their
>> > > case.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > That's what turns a discussion about current events into an
>> exercise
>> > of
>> > > > > (the lowest form of) politics.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Greg
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -Original Message-
>> > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> > > Curt
>> > > > > Raymond via Mercedes
>> > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
>> > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
>> > > > > Cc: Curt Raymond
>> > > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore
>> > crowd.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing
>> > it.
>> > > > > Why is it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to
>> > skepticism?
>> > > > > Curt
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> > > > >
>> > > > >   On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
>> > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers
>> > > could
>> > > > > take their show over to banned.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>> > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was
>> > > > > > oversight on my part.
>> > > > > > ;))
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>> <
>> > > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Go trump.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> > > > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing
>> > > > > > > > current
>> > > > > > > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when
>> > > > > > > politics enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Thank you.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > List Mom/Martha/-D
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So what would it take to convince you that burning fossil fuels isn't
warming the planet?

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 4:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Respectfully, I do not agree.
> 1. Snopes.com has a protracted history of comparing applet to oranges and
> labeling it as "fact". Which they have yet again done in this link. The
> entirety of the rebuttal is focused on CO2 production in a "presumed
> volume" by "a " representative volcano. Further, the entire rebuttal is
> written around only CO2. Again.. apples to oranges called "representative
> fact", when the volume of gasses and emissions from a volcanic eruption.are
> composed from a large volume of multiple gasses and particulates, ALL of
> which have lasting effect of the "ecology".
> 2. The writers zeal to discredit a book lost in the dustbin of library
> science is easily exceeded by his/her need to prove his/her chosen
> dialogue, without proper scientific consideration of any material except
> CO2, which the scientific community at large freely agree is only one of a
> host of "greenhouse gasses" ... ie. Remember Freon? What happened to all
> the Freon which was making a hole in the ozone? How about sulfur dioxide,
> or nitro us oxide? How about the effect of millions of cubic feet of smoke
> and dust on the solar heating of the atmosphere? Just to list a few of the
> materials a proper scientific investigation would look at.
>
> Nice try, no cigar... Have some pepper jelly and a latte`.
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Sorry - forgot the link.
> >
> > https://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Inconvenient truth, Grant.  That is BS..
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:40 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions
> > > around
> > > > the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more
> > emissions
> > > > of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
> > > > age".
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme
> > of
> > > > things global.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al
> Gore's
> > > > > environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU
> > need
> > > > to
> > > > > reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like
> > him
> > > > > this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life
> > > which
> > > > > ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
> > > > >
> > > > > Curt
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > > > >
> > > > >   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew
> > > Strasfogel<astrasfogel@gmail.
> > > > > com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then
> that
> > > is
> > > > > a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative
> > > analysis
> > > > > that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas
> > > > emissions
> > > > > and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a
> > > doctrinaire
> > > > > refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon
> > > footprint
> > > > > then I don't give a F what he believes.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers
> > and
> > > > > thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of
> > > > verbiage
> > > > > is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be

Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Respectfully, I do not agree.
1. Snopes.com has a protracted history of comparing applet to oranges and
labeling it as "fact". Which they have yet again done in this link. The
entirety of the rebuttal is focused on CO2 production in a "presumed
volume" by "a " representative volcano. Further, the entire rebuttal is
written around only CO2. Again.. apples to oranges called "representative
fact", when the volume of gasses and emissions from a volcanic eruption.are
composed from a large volume of multiple gasses and particulates, ALL of
which have lasting effect of the "ecology".
2. The writers zeal to discredit a book lost in the dustbin of library
science is easily exceeded by his/her need to prove his/her chosen
dialogue, without proper scientific consideration of any material except
CO2, which the scientific community at large freely agree is only one of a
host of "greenhouse gasses" ... ie. Remember Freon? What happened to all
the Freon which was making a hole in the ozone? How about sulfur dioxide,
or nitro us oxide? How about the effect of millions of cubic feet of smoke
and dust on the solar heating of the atmosphere? Just to list a few of the
materials a proper scientific investigation would look at.

Nice try, no cigar... Have some pepper jelly and a latte`.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sorry - forgot the link.
>
> https://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Inconvenient truth, Grant.  That is BS..
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:40 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions
> > around
> > > the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more
> emissions
> > > of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
> > > age".
> > >
> > > Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme
> of
> > > things global.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al Gore's
> > > > environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU
> need
> > > to
> > > > reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like
> him
> > > > this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life
> > which
> > > > ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
> > > >
> > > > Curt
> > > >
> > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > > >
> > > >   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew
> > Strasfogel<astrasfogel@gmail.
> > > > com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then that
> > is
> > > > a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative
> > analysis
> > > > that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas
> > > emissions
> > > > and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a
> > doctrinaire
> > > > refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
> > > >
> > > > OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon
> > footprint
> > > > then I don't give a F what he believes.
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers
> and
> > > > thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of
> > > verbiage
> > > > is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be
> > sure
> > > > that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their
> > case.
> > > >
> > > > That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise
> of
> > > > (the lowest form of) politics.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt
> > > > Raymond via Mercedes
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27

Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sorry - forgot the link.

https://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/


On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Inconvenient truth, Grant.  That is BS..
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:40 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions
> around
> > the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more emissions
> > of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
> > age".
> >
> > Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme of
> > things global.
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al Gore's
> > > environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU need
> > to
> > > reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like him
> > > this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life
> which
> > > ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
> > >
> > > Curt
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew
> Strasfogel<astrasfogel@gmail.
> > > com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then that
> is
> > > a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative
> analysis
> > > that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas
> > emissions
> > > and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a
> doctrinaire
> > > refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
> > >
> > > OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon
> footprint
> > > then I don't give a F what he believes.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers and
> > > thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of
> > verbiage
> > > is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be
> sure
> > > that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their
> case.
> > >
> > > That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise of
> > > (the lowest form of) politics.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt
> > > Raymond via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
> > > Cc: Curt Raymond
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.
> > >
> > > I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it.
> > > Why is it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
> > > Curt
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >   On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers
> could
> > > take their show over to banned.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was
> > > > oversight on my part.
> > > > ;))
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Go trump.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing
> > > > > > current
> > > > > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when
> > > > > politics enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please play nice

Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Inconvenient truth, Grant.  That is BS..

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:40 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions around
> the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more emissions
> of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
> age".
>
> Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme of
> things global.
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al Gore's
> > environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU need
> to
> > reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like him
> > this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life which
> > ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel<astrasfogel@gmail.
> > com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then that is
> > a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative analysis
> > that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas
> emissions
> > and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a doctrinaire
> > refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
> >
> > OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon footprint
> > then I don't give a F what he believes.
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers and
> > thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of
> verbiage
> > is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be sure
> > that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their case.
> >
> > That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise of
> > (the lowest form of) politics.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt
> > Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Curt Raymond
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.
> >
> > I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it.
> > Why is it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >   On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers could
> > take their show over to banned.
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was
> > > oversight on my part.
> > > ;))
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Go trump.
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing
> > > > > current
> > > > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when
> > > > politics enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > > List Mom/Martha/-D
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > __ _
> > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com
> > > > >
> > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/ archive/
> > > > >
> > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > &g

Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Inconvenient truth. There are currently 25 major volcanic eruptions around
the "Ring of Fire". Each day, ONE of those volcano produce more emissions
of "greenhouse" gas than mankind has since the dawn of the "machinery
age".

Sorry, mankind, you are just not that important, in the master scheme of
things global.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al Gore's
> environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU need to
> reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like him
> this world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life which
> ironically was one of Gore's problems in 2000...
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel<astrasfogel@gmail.
> com> wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then that is
> a step forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative analysis
> that supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas emissions
> and a warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a doctrinaire
> refusal to accept an inconvenient truth.
>
> OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon footprint
> then I don't give a F what he believes.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers and
> thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of verbiage
> is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be sure
> that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their case.
>
> That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise of
> (the lowest form of) politics.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt
> Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Curt Raymond
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.
>
> I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it.
> Why is it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers could
> take their show over to banned.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was
> > oversight on my part.
> > ;))
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
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> > >
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> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The hypocrisy of the green movement is astronomical though. Al Gore's 
environmental footprint is massive. His platform appears to be YOU need to 
reduce so I can continue to spread the gospel. If we all lived like him this 
world would be screwed. GW Bush lives a much more modest life which ironically 
was one of Gore's problems in 2000...

Curt

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wrote:   Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then that is a step 
forward.  But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative analysis that 
supports a clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas emissions and a 
warming planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a doctrinaire refusal to 
accept an inconvenient truth.  

OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon footprint then I 
don't give a F what he believes.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers and thus to 
label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of verbiage is used in 
lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be sure that the user 
doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their case.

That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise of (the 
lowest form of) politics.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it. Why is 
it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
Curt

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  On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes<mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers 
could take their show over to banned.

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> My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was
> oversight on my part.
> ;))
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Go trump.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing
> > > current
> > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when
> > politics enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > >
> > > Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Whoa.  If he believes the climate is changing then that is a step forward.
But to turn a blind eye to all the quantitative analysis that supports a
clear link between human-generated greenhouse gas emissions and a warming
planet isn't really skepticism:  it suggests a doctrinaire refusal to
accept an inconvenient truth.

OTOH, if Kurley has taken steps to reduced his personal carbon footprint
then I don't give a F what he believes.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers and
> thus to label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of verbiage
> is used in lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be sure
> that the user doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their case.
>
> That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise of
> (the lowest form of) politics.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt
> Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Curt Raymond
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.
>
> I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it.
> Why is it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers could
> take their show over to banned.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was
> > oversight on my part.
> > ;))
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Go trump.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing
> > > > current
> > > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when
> > > politics enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > > >
> > > > Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers and thus to 
label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of verbiage is used in 
lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be sure that the user 
doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their case.

That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise of (the 
lowest form of) politics.

Greg

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via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List; Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it. Why is 
it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers could 
take their show over to banned.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was 
> oversight on my part.
> ;))
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Go trump.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing 
> > > current
> > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when 
> > politics enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > >
> > > Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it. Why is 
it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
Curt

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  On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers could 
take their show over to banned.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was oversight
> on my part.
> ;))
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Go trump.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing current
> > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when politics
> > enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > >
> > > Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it. Why is 
it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers could 
take their show over to banned.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was oversight
> on my part.
> ;))
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Go trump.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing current
> > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when politics
> > enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > >
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Dan, perhaps the climate deniers could take their show over to banned.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was oversight
> on my part.
> ;))
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Go trump.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing current
> > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when politics
> > enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was oversight
on my part.
;))

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Go trump.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing current
> events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when politics
> enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> >
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Go trump. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing current events 
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[MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing current events as 
we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when politics enter the fray 
it’s time to shut it down.

Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.

Thank you.

List Mom/Martha/-D


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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM???

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Curly sez:

 Thanks for the list and all the good things you do!


+1
What he said. 
Thanks!
‎
Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM???

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

IS anybody still seeing this in the headers? I do not see it now 
on recent messages.


On 8/15/2015 9:19 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Kaleb,

Why do all the post headers now show all subscribers' email 
addresses?  this is a security problem.  It just started this 
afternoon.




OK, we need to get something straight for clarity's sake:

I only have rights to deal with the approval queue and 
subscriptions.  Anything else, especially things that occur 
under the hood, are strictly the responsibility of the list's 
owner.  All the goofy issues with bounces and failures to 
respond need to go to him.  I gots nothin' to do with that stuff.


Sorry.

Dan


 On Aug 15, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 That is a gmail thing.  my gmail has never sent me copies of 
mail I sent.


 Bigger question is why do the postings now list ALL the email 
addresses subscribed to the list.  That is a huge security 
problem.


 OH LIST MOM  OH LIST MARTHA?


 OK, so apparently my mail is now getting to the list, but 
why does the list
 not send them back to me as it did when I sent from another 
ISP?





  Greg


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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM???

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Nope!  Seems like you or someone fixed it.

Thanks for the list and all the good things you do!


ListMa sez:
IS anybody still seeing this in the headers? I do not see it now on 
recent messages.





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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM???

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Nope.

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 IS anybody still seeing this in the headers? I do not see it now on recent
 messages.

 On 8/15/2015 9:19 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

 Kaleb,

 Why do all the post headers now show all subscribers' email addresses?
 this is a security problem.  It just started this afternoon.


 OK, we need to get something straight for clarity's sake:

 I only have rights to deal with the approval queue and subscriptions.
 Anything else, especially things that occur under the hood, are strictly
 the responsibility of the list's owner.  All the goofy issues with bounces
 and failures to respond need to go to him.  I gots nothin' to do with that
 stuff.

 Sorry.

 Dan


  On Aug 15, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  That is a gmail thing.  my gmail has never sent me copies of mail I
 sent.

  Bigger question is why do the postings now list ALL the email
 addresses subscribed to the list.  That is a huge security problem.

  OH LIST MOM  OH LIST MARTHA?


  OK, so apparently my mail is now getting to the list, but why does the
 list
  not send them back to me as it did when I sent from another ISP?



   Greg


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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM???

[fmiser via Mercedes]

 Kaleb wrote:
 
 IS anybody still seeing this in the headers? I do not see
 it now on recent messages.

It looks like the last one with those headers was sent
2015-08-16 15:30:25 CDT.

Thanks for getting that fixed!

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM???

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Ditto, thanks Kaleb for keeping this list going, just don't screw it up.  :)

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM???

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Not really sure. I will find out from the host. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 15, 2015, at 9:19 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Kaleb,
 
 Why do all the post headers now show all subscribers' email addresses?  this 
 is a security problem.  It just started this afternoon.
 
 
 OK, we need to get something straight for clarity's sake:
 
 I only have rights to deal with the approval queue and subscriptions.  
 Anything else, especially things that occur under the hood, are strictly the 
 responsibility of the list's owner.  All the goofy issues with bounces and 
 failures to respond need to go to him.  I gots nothin' to do with that stuff.
 
 Sorry.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Aug 15, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 That is a gmail thing.  my gmail has never sent me copies of mail I sent.
 
 Bigger question is why do the postings now list ALL the email addresses 
 subscribed to the list.  That is a huge security  problem.
 
 OH LIST MOM  OH LIST MARTHA?
 
 
 OK, so apparently my mail is now getting to the list, but why does the list
 not send them back to me as it did when I sent from another ISP?
  Greg
 
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[MBZ] LIST MOM???

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Kaleb,

Why do all the post headers now show all subscribers' email 
addresses?  this is a security problem.  It just started this 
afternoon.




OK, we need to get something straight for clarity's sake:

I only have rights to deal with the approval queue and 
subscriptions.  Anything else, especially things that occur under 
the hood, are strictly the responsibility of the list's owner.  All 
the goofy issues with bounces and failures to respond need to go to 
him.  I gots nothin' to do with that stuff.


Sorry.

Dan


 On Aug 15, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 That is a gmail thing.  my gmail has never sent me copies of mail I sent.

 Bigger question is why do the postings now list ALL the email 
addresses subscribed to the list.  That is a huge security  problem.


 OH LIST MOM  OH LIST MARTHA?



 OK, so apparently my mail is now getting to the list, but why does the list
 not send them back to me as it did when I sent from another ISP?




  Greg


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Re: [MBZ] List Mom duties

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Who wants that job? Send me an email offline

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2013, at 11:39 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Agreed - we just need a back-up Mom, A list step mom.
 
 
 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Gerry wrote:
 
 Has anyone thought about running the list out of Yahoogroups?
 
 Ugh.  I'd rather not.
 
 --   Philip
 
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[OK Don]

Agreed - we just need a back-up Mom, A list step mom.


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

  Gerry wrote:
 
  Has anyone thought about running the list out of Yahoogroups?

 Ugh.  I'd rather not.

 --   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] List Mom duties

[Dan Penoff]

I'll volunteer if you like.

Dan

On Jul 22, 2013, at 12:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 Who wants that job? Send me an email offline
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 22, 2013, at 11:39 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Agreed - we just need a back-up Mom, A list step mom.
 
 
 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Gerry wrote:
 
 Has anyone thought about running the list out of Yahoogroups?
 
 Ugh.  I'd rather not.
 
 --   Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] List Mom duties

[Dieselhead]

Martha offered to.


Who wants that job? Send me an email offline

Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] List Mom duties

[Fmiser]

  Kaleb wrote:
 
  Who wants that job? Send me an email offline

 Dan wrote:
 
 I'll volunteer if you like.

Is Dan disqualified if he can't follow the instructions? *grin*

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] List Mom duties

[Craig]

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:40:27 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 Who wants that job? Send me an email offline

I'll help out if you wish.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] List Mom duties

[Gerry Archer]

One group I'm on has fifteen moderators.  It works surprisingly well because 
it's impossible to make any big changes since getting eight moderators to go 
along
seems to be impossible.  That said, how about several moderators on this 
list alternating moderator duties?

Gerry

From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com

Agreed - we just need a back-up Mom, A list step mom.


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:


 Gerry wrote:

 Has anyone thought about running the list out of Yahoogroups?

Ugh.  I'd rather not.

--   Philip

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