Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
Well known issue on these engines. Ask Kaleb about it, I believe it’s one of his favorite jobs…. Did you get a PPI done on this before you purchased it? -D > On Jan 18, 2022, at 8:49 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Well I had my new ML350 health checked today at the Mercedes dealer. On bad > thing was found and I didn't really see it when I looked at the > undercarriage. They say the seals of the oil cooler is leaking and is > draining down the side of the engine to the undercarriage panels. I have > looked at several YOUTUBE videos and it is a bit of work to complete. The oil > cooler is located in the vee between the heads and many things on top of the > engine need to be removed down to the 2 intake manifolds. Apparently this a > weak point and the oil seal begin to flatten and leak due the higher > operating temperature of the engine. So I will not be doing any long trips > until this gets fixed. Mercedes wants $3600 do complete the repair, seals are > only very small part of the cost. Between completing and engine swap on BMW 5 > series and changing a starter on BMW X3 which required disconnecting the > intake manifold, and replacing head gaskets, I think I should be able to > complete the repair. Not the thing I wanted to hear, but better to know thank > not to? > > Bob Massmann > 2012 Mercedes ML350 Bluetec 86K > > > -Original Message- From: Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 1:02 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Buggered Benzmail > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > If the car doesn’t have towing setup you will have to try to add the nanny > and get a new controller happy. It is not easy. The brake and stability > controllers and the lights will not be happy without the tow nanny. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I miss his words of wisdom. “There is only one way to drive a Mercedes like >> you stole it!” >> >> Bob Massmann >> >> From: Rick Knoble >> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 11:15 AM >> To: Robert Massmann >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes >> >>> I would like to get a hitch on it to tow our popup camper.The trailer >>> wiring is going to be an issue. The computer that controls the lighting >>> (EVERYTHING is controlled by a computer on that SUV) is not going to like >>> any changes. It would be best to inquire about that on the main list. I >>> know NOTHING about Mercedes newer than 2008 or so. Geeze. The caps look >>> like I'm channelling Marshall Booth. Enjoy! >> Rick >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
Well I had my new ML350 health checked today at the Mercedes dealer. On bad thing was found and I didn't really see it when I looked at the undercarriage. They say the seals of the oil cooler is leaking and is draining down the side of the engine to the undercarriage panels. I have looked at several YOUTUBE videos and it is a bit of work to complete. The oil cooler is located in the vee between the heads and many things on top of the engine need to be removed down to the 2 intake manifolds. Apparently this a weak point and the oil seal begin to flatten and leak due the higher operating temperature of the engine. So I will not be doing any long trips until this gets fixed. Mercedes wants $3600 do complete the repair, seals are only very small part of the cost. Between completing and engine swap on BMW 5 series and changing a starter on BMW X3 which required disconnecting the intake manifold, and replacing head gaskets, I think I should be able to complete the repair. Not the thing I wanted to hear, but better to know thank not to? Bob Massmann 2012 Mercedes ML350 Bluetec 86K -Original Message- From: Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 1:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Buggered Benzmail Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes If the car doesn’t have towing setup you will have to try to add the nanny and get a new controller happy. It is not easy. The brake and stability controllers and the lights will not be happy without the tow nanny. --FT Sent from iFōn On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: I miss his words of wisdom. “There is only one way to drive a Mercedes like you stole it!” Bob Massmann From: Rick Knoble Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 11:15 AM To: Robert Massmann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes I would like to get a hitch on it to tow our popup camper.The trailer wiring is going to be an issue. The computer that controls the lighting (EVERYTHING is controlled by a computer on that SUV) is not going to like any changes. It would be best to inquire about that on the main list. I know NOTHING about Mercedes newer than 2008 or so. Geeze. The caps look like I'm channelling Marshall Booth. Enjoy! Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
The issue is not the lights per se (although the lighting nanny will not like the extra power draw and will want to tell you there are various faults if you plug stuff directly into the light circuits). For my 163 ML I got this thing that basically sees the voltage going to the various tail lights (via some of those clamp-on connectors) then sends power to the trailer lights through separate power so it is not in the nanny circuits. I'm sure there is a similar item for whatever flavor his ML is. The biggest issue is that the brake and stability control sensors will feel the trailer back there and the nannies will go insane trying to compensate for it. That is why you need to get the towing nanny and get it working in the overall system. The 163 does not have this "feature" so it is kinda indifferent to the hitch and load, other than the lights. --FT On 1/17/22 2:06 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: For my Volvo I got an adapter from etrailer.com that plugs into the factory harness at the taillight pigtails. No cutting or splicing wires. It has a separate 12v connection to power the trailer lights so it doesn't change the load on any of the factory brake/turn/parking light circuits. I have also seen adapters that clamp on to the wiring and detect current by induction. I'd try to avoid splicing directly into the wires, either with cutting/soldering or "quick splice" crimp-ons that pierce the wire insulation. Does the dealer sell a wiring adapter for trailer lighting? On Mon, Jan 17, 2022, at 1:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: If the car doesn’t have towing setup you will have to try to add the nanny and get a new controller happy. It is not easy. The brake and stability controllers and the lights will not be happy without the tow nanny. --FT Sent from iFōn On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: I miss his words of wisdom. “There is only one way to drive a Mercedes like you stole it!” Bob Massmann From: Rick Knoble Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 11:15 AM To: Robert Massmann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes I would like to get a hitch on it to tow our popup camper.The trailer wiring is going to be an issue. The computer that controls the lighting (EVERYTHING is controlled by a computer on that SUV) is not going to like any changes. It would be best to inquire about that on the main list. I know NOTHING about Mercedes newer than 2008 or so. Geeze. The caps look like I'm channelling Marshall Booth. Enjoy! Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
For my Volvo I got an adapter from etrailer.com that plugs into the factory harness at the taillight pigtails. No cutting or splicing wires. It has a separate 12v connection to power the trailer lights so it doesn't change the load on any of the factory brake/turn/parking light circuits. I have also seen adapters that clamp on to the wiring and detect current by induction. I'd try to avoid splicing directly into the wires, either with cutting/soldering or "quick splice" crimp-ons that pierce the wire insulation. Does the dealer sell a wiring adapter for trailer lighting? On Mon, Jan 17, 2022, at 1:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > If the car doesn’t have towing setup you will have to try to add the > nanny and get a new controller happy. It is not easy. The brake and > stability controllers and the lights will not be happy without the tow > nanny. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I miss his words of wisdom. “There is only one way to drive a Mercedes like >> you stole it!” >> >> Bob Massmann >> >> From: Rick Knoble >> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 11:15 AM >> To: Robert Massmann >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes >> >>> I would like to get a hitch on it to tow our popup camper.The trailer >>> wiring is going to be an issue. The computer that controls the lighting >>> (EVERYTHING is controlled by a computer on that SUV) is not going to like >>> any changes. It would be best to inquire about that on the main list. I >>> know NOTHING about Mercedes newer than 2008 or so. Geeze. The caps look >>> like I'm channelling Marshall Booth. Enjoy! >> Rick >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
If the car doesn’t have towing setup you will have to try to add the nanny and get a new controller happy. It is not easy. The brake and stability controllers and the lights will not be happy without the tow nanny. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I miss his words of wisdom. “There is only one way to drive a Mercedes like > you stole it!” > > Bob Massmann > > From: Rick Knoble > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 11:15 AM > To: Robert Massmann > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > >> I would like to get a hitch on it to tow our popup camper.The trailer wiring >> is going to be an issue. The computer that controls the lighting (EVERYTHING >> is controlled by a computer on that SUV) is not going to like any changes. >> It would be best to inquire about that on the main list. I know NOTHING >> about Mercedes newer than 2008 or so. Geeze. The caps look like I'm >> channelling Marshall Booth. Enjoy! > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
I miss his words of wisdom. “There is only one way to drive a Mercedes like you stole it!” Bob Massmann From: Rick Knoble Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 11:15 AM To: Robert Massmann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > I would like to get a hitch on it to tow our popup camper.The trailer wiring > is going to be an issue. The computer that controls the lighting (EVERYTHING > is controlled by a computer on that SUV) is not going to like any changes. It > would be best to inquire about that on the main list. I know NOTHING about > Mercedes newer than 2008 or so. Geeze. The caps look like I'm channelling > Marshall Booth. Enjoy! Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
May your new to you Benz give you decades of trouble free service. https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-2013-2014-MERCEDES-M-OWNERS-MANUAL-W-NAVI-KIT-ML-350-500-550-63-AMG-4MATIC-/124499364295 Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: January 15, 2022 10:54 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes All I had a very nice ride home, but was a bit nervous drive my brand new car in track. The new car does have the vehicle collision avoidance warning indication for changing lanes which is nice. It has navigation, heated seats, retractable side mirrors, and other things that I have not discovered yet. The bad news is NO operators manual. It is no where to be found, unless it has a special storage compartment that I haven’t found. I did find a PDF copy of it on MBUSA web site, I have downloaded and am starting to review. Will let you know how things are going after I have driven it for awhile. Have schedule a general car inspection at our local Mercedes dealer to make sure there are no issue with the car, fingers crossed. This car requires DEF, so should be interesting to see how often that needs to be refilled. Car has a little over 86,000 miles on it. Hope all goes well? Bob Massmann 2012 ML350 Bluetec 86K From: Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 9:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Robert Massmann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes Robert, please monitor your fuel economy and post it. On Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 10:28 PM Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: I will be picking up the 2012 Mercedes ML350 diesel tomorrow. So it should be interesting learning with the new car. It has many new features that the X3 or my previous 1995 Mercedes E300D didn't have, so it will be a bit of a learning curve. I will get a nice initial drive in it, with a 120 mile trip North this coming Sunday to visit with my mother in law. Bob Massmann Oregonia, Ohio -Original Message- From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes I am not sure, prices ranged were from 18K - 23K. There also weren't as many diesel version to choose from. Diesels may not have been as desirable and were a little lower price. It is strange when looking at the cargurus web page itwas listing at 18.5K, but when I went to the dealer it was list at 24.5K with a heavy discount. There was a 2014 ML350 Bluetec that I was also considering. It was listed at 21K with 119,000 miles on it. It was white and I really do not like white. Bob Massmann -Original Message- From: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 11:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes Geez that seems like crack pricing but what do I know? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2022, at 8:59 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Well I purchased the 2012 ML350 Blue that I went to look at on Sunday. > Market is not in favor of the buyer. I paid 20,000 for it which included > all of the taxes, title, and plate fees. The good news the car only has > 86,000 miles. The last Mercedes I purchased had 240K. We will see how it > goes will picking the car up this Friday or next Monday. Depending on my > funds transfer for purchase this week. > > Wish me luck with my newer Mercedes. I hope all goes well? Will be a whole > new learning experience. > > Regards, > Robert Massmann > > > I now what the tires may be as I just put tires on the X3 a year or so ago > and it was 800 for the tires and another for mounting, balance, and > alignment. More option for bargaining I would hope > > From: Andrew Strasfogel > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2022 10:46 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Robert Massmann > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > Looks nice, but for that price on a 10 y.o. SUV way out of warranty the > dealer should include new tires and brakes. > > > On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 10:35 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have a 2012 Diesel version about 50 miles from me. May try to go down > and > look and drive it today if they are open. Seems like a nice looking car > from > the photos, but the tires and brakes may need to be addressed. > > > https://jeffwylerflorencehonda.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2012-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-04360aaa0a0e09af26b5cff9870c3e59.htm > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okieb
Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
All I had a very nice ride home, but was a bit nervous drive my brand new car in track. The new car does have the vehicle collision avoidance warning indication for changing lanes which is nice. It has navigation, heated seats, retractable side mirrors, and other things that I have not discovered yet. The bad news is NO operators manual. It is no where to be found, unless it has a special storage compartment that I haven’t found. I did find a PDF copy of it on MBUSA web site, I have downloaded and am starting to review. Will let you know how things are going after I have driven it for awhile. Have schedule a general car inspection at our local Mercedes dealer to make sure there are no issue with the car, fingers crossed. This car requires DEF, so should be interesting to see how often that needs to be refilled. Car has a little over 86,000 miles on it. Hope all goes well? Bob Massmann 2012 ML350 Bluetec 86K From: Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 9:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Robert Massmann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes Robert, please monitor your fuel economy and post it. On Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 10:28 PM Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: I will be picking up the 2012 Mercedes ML350 diesel tomorrow. So it should be interesting learning with the new car. It has many new features that the X3 or my previous 1995 Mercedes E300D didn't have, so it will be a bit of a learning curve. I will get a nice initial drive in it, with a 120 mile trip North this coming Sunday to visit with my mother in law. Bob Massmann Oregonia, Ohio -Original Message- From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes I am not sure, prices ranged were from 18K - 23K. There also weren't as many diesel version to choose from. Diesels may not have been as desirable and were a little lower price. It is strange when looking at the cargurus web page itwas listing at 18.5K, but when I went to the dealer it was list at 24.5K with a heavy discount. There was a 2014 ML350 Bluetec that I was also considering. It was listed at 21K with 119,000 miles on it. It was white and I really do not like white. Bob Massmann -Original Message- From: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 11:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes Geez that seems like crack pricing but what do I know? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2022, at 8:59 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Well I purchased the 2012 ML350 Blue that I went to look at on Sunday. > Market is not in favor of the buyer. I paid 20,000 for it which included > all of the taxes, title, and plate fees. The good news the car only has > 86,000 miles. The last Mercedes I purchased had 240K. We will see how it > goes will picking the car up this Friday or next Monday. Depending on my > funds transfer for purchase this week. > > Wish me luck with my newer Mercedes. I hope all goes well? Will be a whole > new learning experience. > > Regards, > Robert Massmann > > > I now what the tires may be as I just put tires on the X3 a year or so ago > and it was 800 for the tires and another for mounting, balance, and > alignment. More option for bargaining I would hope > > From: Andrew Strasfogel > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2022 10:46 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Robert Massmann > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > Looks nice, but for that price on a 10 y.o. SUV way out of warranty the > dealer should include new tires and brakes. > > > On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 10:35 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have a 2012 Diesel version about 50 miles from me. May try to go down > and > look and drive it today if they are open. Seems like a nice looking car > from > the photos, but the tires and brakes may need to be addressed. > > > https://jeffwylerflorencehonda.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2012-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-04360aaa0a0e09af26b5cff9870c3e59.htm > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okieben
Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
Robert, please monitor your fuel economy and post it. On Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 10:28 PM Robert Massmann via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I will be picking up the 2012 Mercedes ML350 diesel tomorrow. So it should > be interesting learning with the new car. It has many new features that > the > X3 or my previous 1995 Mercedes E300D didn't have, so it will be a bit of > a > learning curve. I will get a nice initial drive in it, with a 120 mile > trip > North this coming Sunday to visit with my mother in law. > > Bob Massmann > Oregonia, Ohio > > -Original Message- > From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:30 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > I am not sure, prices ranged were from 18K - 23K. There also weren't as > many > diesel version to choose from. Diesels may not have been as desirable and > were a little lower price. It is strange when looking at the cargurus web > page itwas listing at 18.5K, but when I went to the dealer it was list at > 24.5K with a heavy discount. There was a 2014 ML350 Bluetec that I was also > considering. It was listed at 21K with 119,000 miles on it. It was white > and > I really do not like white. > > Bob Massmann > > -Original Message- > From: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 11:29 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Kaleb Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > Geez that seems like crack pricing but what do I know? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 11, 2022, at 8:59 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > Well I purchased the 2012 ML350 Blue that I went to look at on Sunday. > > Market is not in favor of the buyer. I paid 20,000 for it which included > > all of the taxes, title, and plate fees. The good news the car only has > > 86,000 miles. The last Mercedes I purchased had 240K. We will see how it > > goes will picking the car up this Friday or next Monday. Depending on my > > funds transfer for purchase this week. > > > > Wish me luck with my newer Mercedes. I hope all goes well? Will be a > whole > > new learning experience. > > > > Regards, > > Robert Massmann > > > > > > I now what the tires may be as I just put tires on the X3 a year or so > ago > > and it was 800 for the tires and another for mounting, balance, and > > alignment. More option for bargaining I would hope > > > > From: Andrew Strasfogel > > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2022 10:46 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Cc: Robert Massmann > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > > > Looks nice, but for that price on a 10 y.o. SUV way out of warranty the > > dealer should include new tires and brakes. > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 10:35 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > I have a 2012 Diesel version about 50 miles from me. May try to go down > > and > > look and drive it today if they are open. Seems like a nice looking car > > from > > the photos, but the tires and brakes may need to be addressed. > > > > > > > https://jeffwylerflorencehonda.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2012-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-04360aaa0a0e09af26b5cff9870c3e59.htm > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
I will be picking up the 2012 Mercedes ML350 diesel tomorrow. So it should be interesting learning with the new car. It has many new features that the X3 or my previous 1995 Mercedes E300D didn't have, so it will be a bit of a learning curve. I will get a nice initial drive in it, with a 120 mile trip North this coming Sunday to visit with my mother in law. Bob Massmann Oregonia, Ohio -Original Message- From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes I am not sure, prices ranged were from 18K - 23K. There also weren't as many diesel version to choose from. Diesels may not have been as desirable and were a little lower price. It is strange when looking at the cargurus web page itwas listing at 18.5K, but when I went to the dealer it was list at 24.5K with a heavy discount. There was a 2014 ML350 Bluetec that I was also considering. It was listed at 21K with 119,000 miles on it. It was white and I really do not like white. Bob Massmann -Original Message- From: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 11:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes Geez that seems like crack pricing but what do I know? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2022, at 8:59 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: Well I purchased the 2012 ML350 Blue that I went to look at on Sunday. Market is not in favor of the buyer. I paid 20,000 for it which included all of the taxes, title, and plate fees. The good news the car only has 86,000 miles. The last Mercedes I purchased had 240K. We will see how it goes will picking the car up this Friday or next Monday. Depending on my funds transfer for purchase this week. Wish me luck with my newer Mercedes. I hope all goes well? Will be a whole new learning experience. Regards, Robert Massmann I now what the tires may be as I just put tires on the X3 a year or so ago and it was 800 for the tires and another for mounting, balance, and alignment. More option for bargaining I would hope From: Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2022 10:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Robert Massmann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes Looks nice, but for that price on a 10 y.o. SUV way out of warranty the dealer should include new tires and brakes. On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 10:35 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: I have a 2012 Diesel version about 50 miles from me. May try to go down and look and drive it today if they are open. Seems like a nice looking car from the photos, but the tires and brakes may need to be addressed. https://jeffwylerflorencehonda.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2012-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-04360aaa0a0e09af26b5cff9870c3e59.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
I am not sure, prices ranged were from 18K - 23K. There also weren't as many diesel version to choose from. Diesels may not have been as desirable and were a little lower price. It is strange when looking at the cargurus web page itwas listing at 18.5K, but when I went to the dealer it was list at 24.5K with a heavy discount. There was a 2014 ML350 Bluetec that I was also considering. It was listed at 21K with 119,000 miles on it. It was white and I really do not like white. Bob Massmann -Original Message- From: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 11:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes Geez that seems like crack pricing but what do I know? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2022, at 8:59 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: Well I purchased the 2012 ML350 Blue that I went to look at on Sunday. Market is not in favor of the buyer. I paid 20,000 for it which included all of the taxes, title, and plate fees. The good news the car only has 86,000 miles. The last Mercedes I purchased had 240K. We will see how it goes will picking the car up this Friday or next Monday. Depending on my funds transfer for purchase this week. Wish me luck with my newer Mercedes. I hope all goes well? Will be a whole new learning experience. Regards, Robert Massmann I now what the tires may be as I just put tires on the X3 a year or so ago and it was 800 for the tires and another for mounting, balance, and alignment. More option for bargaining I would hope From: Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2022 10:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Robert Massmann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes Looks nice, but for that price on a 10 y.o. SUV way out of warranty the dealer should include new tires and brakes. On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 10:35 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: I have a 2012 Diesel version about 50 miles from me. May try to go down and look and drive it today if they are open. Seems like a nice looking car from the photos, but the tires and brakes may need to be addressed. https://jeffwylerflorencehonda.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2012-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-04360aaa0a0e09af26b5cff9870c3e59.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Good luck! Just be careful of rear window and rust issues. On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:16 PM wrote: > Would still like to get the 1985 300CD that I have back on the road. > Stopped driving due need for and engine rebuild. Maybe one of these since I > have retired. > > Bob Massmann > > *From:* Andrew Strasfogel > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 11, 2022 10:57 AM > *To:* Robert Massmann > *Cc:* Mercedes Discussion List > *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > Way to step up Robert. These are awesome cars, among the best Mercedes > ever made. > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 9:59 AM wrote: > >> Well I purchased the 2012 ML350 Blue that I went to look at on Sunday. >> Market is not in favor of the buyer. I paid 20,000 for it which included >> all of the taxes, title, and plate fees. The good news the car only has >> 86,000 miles. The last Mercedes I purchased had 240K. We will see how it >> goes will picking the car up this Friday or next Monday. Depending on my >> funds transfer for purchase this week. >> >> Wish me luck with my newer Mercedes. I hope all goes well? Will be a >> whole new learning experience. >> >> Regards, >> Robert Massmann >> >> >> I now what the tires may be as I just put tires on the X3 a year or so >> ago and it was 800 for the tires and another for mounting, balance, and >> alignment. More option for bargaining I would hope >> >> *From:* Andrew Strasfogel >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 09, 2022 10:46 AM >> *To:* Mercedes Discussion List >> *Cc:* Robert Massmann >> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes >> >> Looks nice, but for that price on a 10 y.o. SUV way out of warranty the >> dealer should include new tires and brakes. >> >> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 10:35 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> I have a 2012 Diesel version about 50 miles from me. May try to go down >>> and >>> look and drive it today if they are open. Seems like a nice looking car >>> from >>> the photos, but the tires and brakes may need to be addressed. >>> >>> >>> https://jeffwylerflorencehonda.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2012-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-04360aaa0a0e09af26b5cff9870c3e59.htm >>> >>> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Would still like to get the 1985 300CD that I have back on the road. Stopped driving due need for and engine rebuild. Maybe one of these since I have retired. Bob Massmann From: Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 10:57 AM To: Robert Massmann Cc: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes Way to step up Robert. These are awesome cars, among the best Mercedes ever made. On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 9:59 AM wrote: Well I purchased the 2012 ML350 Blue that I went to look at on Sunday. Market is not in favor of the buyer. I paid 20,000 for it which included all of the taxes, title, and plate fees. The good news the car only has 86,000 miles. The last Mercedes I purchased had 240K. We will see how it goes will picking the car up this Friday or next Monday. Depending on my funds transfer for purchase this week. Wish me luck with my newer Mercedes. I hope all goes well? Will be a whole new learning experience. Regards, Robert Massmann I now what the tires may be as I just put tires on the X3 a year or so ago and it was 800 for the tires and another for mounting, balance, and alignment. More option for bargaining I would hope From: Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2022 10:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Robert Massmann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes Looks nice, but for that price on a 10 y.o. SUV way out of warranty the dealer should include new tires and brakes. On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 10:35 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: I have a 2012 Diesel version about 50 miles from me. May try to go down and look and drive it today if they are open. Seems like a nice looking car from the photos, but the tires and brakes may need to be addressed. https://jeffwylerflorencehonda.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2012-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-04360aaa0a0e09af26b5cff9870c3e59.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Way to step up Robert. These are awesome cars, among the best Mercedes ever made. On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 9:59 AM wrote: > Well I purchased the 2012 ML350 Blue that I went to look at on Sunday. > Market is not in favor of the buyer. I paid 20,000 for it which included > all of the taxes, title, and plate fees. The good news the car only has > 86,000 miles. The last Mercedes I purchased had 240K. We will see how it > goes will picking the car up this Friday or next Monday. Depending on my > funds transfer for purchase this week. > > Wish me luck with my newer Mercedes. I hope all goes well? Will be a whole > new learning experience. > > Regards, > Robert Massmann > > > I now what the tires may be as I just put tires on the X3 a year or so ago > and it was 800 for the tires and another for mounting, balance, and > alignment. More option for bargaining I would hope > > *From:* Andrew Strasfogel > *Sent:* Sunday, January 09, 2022 10:46 AM > *To:* Mercedes Discussion List > *Cc:* Robert Massmann > *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > Looks nice, but for that price on a 10 y.o. SUV way out of warranty the > dealer should include new tires and brakes. > > On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 10:35 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I have a 2012 Diesel version about 50 miles from me. May try to go down >> and >> look and drive it today if they are open. Seems like a nice looking car >> from >> the photos, but the tires and brakes may need to be addressed. >> >> >> https://jeffwylerflorencehonda.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2012-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-04360aaa0a0e09af26b5cff9870c3e59.htm >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That should be closer to $15k or maybe even less but in today's market who knows. Willing buyer<-->willing seller --FT On 1/9/22 10:35 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: I have a 2012 Diesel version about 50 miles from me. May try to go down and look and drive it today if they are open. Seems like a nice looking car from the photos, but the tires and brakes may need to be addressed. https://jeffwylerflorencehonda.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2012-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-04360aaa0a0e09af26b5cff9870c3e59.htm Bob Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 2004 BMW X3 2002 BMW 525i -Original Message- From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 5:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes I did seller for CARFAX report since the car had a dealer tag on it. -Original Message- From: Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes Maybe. Sometimes in a photo, shadows and reflections can look like dents -- that said, if you're shopping for 8-10 year old cars it is going to be rare to find one without a ding or scratch somewhere. Good question about the engine cover, maybe removed for the photo but certainly would be a question for the seller. On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: When I went back and looked over the photos again, it looked like there might be a ding in the bumper drivers side. I also would be lire with engine compartment missing all its cover? Regards, Bob Massmann Southwestern Ohio -Original Message- From: Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 1:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes It's a Blutec, so it has a DPF, I don't know if it's possible to evaluate the condition of those but that would be my concern if everything else checks out. If it got regular long-ish highway trips it probably had adequate opportunity for the "regen" cycles to complete. If it was used mostly for in-town, short trips I'd be more cautious. Then you need to consider *your* driving routine. If this is a car that will mostly be driven short trips for shopping and work maybe diesel isn't the best option. If you'll be doing regular longer fast highway runs, it could be great. Allan On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a CARFAX report before I look? https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html 2004 BMW X3 2002 BMW 525i 1982 Mercedes 300D none running 1985 Mercedes 300CD none running -Original Message- From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. I am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a diesel car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would be? I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it. So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real big hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later. I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving. Regards, Bob Massmann Southwestern Ohio ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okie
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Looks nice, but for that price on a 10 y.o. SUV way out of warranty the dealer should include new tires and brakes. On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 10:35 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I have a 2012 Diesel version about 50 miles from me. May try to go down > and > look and drive it today if they are open. Seems like a nice looking car > from > the photos, but the tires and brakes may need to be addressed. > > > https://jeffwylerflorencehonda.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2012-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-04360aaa0a0e09af26b5cff9870c3e59.htm > > Bob Massmann > Oregonia, Ohio > > 2004 BMW X3 > 2002 BMW 525i > > -Original Message- > From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 5:34 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > I did seller for CARFAX report since the car had a dealer tag on it. > > -Original Message- > From: Allan Streib via Mercedes > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 5:28 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Allan Streib > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > Maybe. Sometimes in a photo, shadows and reflections can look like dents -- > that said, if you're shopping for 8-10 year old cars it is going to be rare > to find one without a ding or scratch somewhere. > > Good question about the engine cover, maybe removed for the photo but > certainly would be a question for the seller. > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: > > When I went back and looked over the photos again, it looked like there > > might be a ding in the bumper drivers side. I also would be lire with > > engine > > compartment missing all its cover? > > > > Regards, > > > > Bob Massmann > > Southwestern Ohio > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: Allan Streib via Mercedes > > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 1:01 PM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Cc: Allan Streib > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > > > It's a Blutec, so it has a DPF, I don't know if it's possible to evaluate > > the condition of those but that would be my concern if everything else > > checks out. If it got regular long-ish highway trips it probably had > > adequate opportunity for the "regen" cycles to complete. If it was used > > mostly for in-town, short trips I'd be more cautious. > > > > Then you need to consider *your* driving routine. If this is a car that > > will > > mostly be driven short trips for shopping and work maybe diesel isn't the > > best option. If you'll be doing regular longer fast highway runs, it > could > > be great. > > > > Allan > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: > >> I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a > >> CARFAX report before I look? > >> > >> > https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html > >> > >> 2004 BMW X3 > >> 2002 BMW 525i > >> 1982 Mercedes 300D none running > >> 1985 Mercedes 300CD none running > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List > >> Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com > >> Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > >> > >> I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D > >> because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 > miles. > >> I > >> am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a > >> diesel > >> car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would > >> be? > >> I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may > >> upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one > >> vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has > >> most > >> of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it. > >> > >> So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real > >> big > >> hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later. > >> > >> I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Bob Massmann > >> Southwestern Ohio > >> ___
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I have a 2012 Diesel version about 50 miles from me. May try to go down and look and drive it today if they are open. Seems like a nice looking car from the photos, but the tires and brakes may need to be addressed. https://jeffwylerflorencehonda.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2012-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-04360aaa0a0e09af26b5cff9870c3e59.htm Bob Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 2004 BMW X3 2002 BMW 525i -Original Message- From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 5:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes I did seller for CARFAX report since the car had a dealer tag on it. -Original Message- From: Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes Maybe. Sometimes in a photo, shadows and reflections can look like dents -- that said, if you're shopping for 8-10 year old cars it is going to be rare to find one without a ding or scratch somewhere. Good question about the engine cover, maybe removed for the photo but certainly would be a question for the seller. On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: When I went back and looked over the photos again, it looked like there might be a ding in the bumper drivers side. I also would be lire with engine compartment missing all its cover? Regards, Bob Massmann Southwestern Ohio -Original Message- From: Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 1:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes It's a Blutec, so it has a DPF, I don't know if it's possible to evaluate the condition of those but that would be my concern if everything else checks out. If it got regular long-ish highway trips it probably had adequate opportunity for the "regen" cycles to complete. If it was used mostly for in-town, short trips I'd be more cautious. Then you need to consider *your* driving routine. If this is a car that will mostly be driven short trips for shopping and work maybe diesel isn't the best option. If you'll be doing regular longer fast highway runs, it could be great. Allan On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a CARFAX report before I look? https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html 2004 BMW X3 2002 BMW 525i 1982 Mercedes 300D none running 1985 Mercedes 300CD none running -Original Message- From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. I am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a diesel car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would be? I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it. So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real big hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later. I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving. Regards, Bob Massmann Southwestern Ohio ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or chang
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I did seller for CARFAX report since the car had a dealer tag on it. -Original Message- From: Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes Maybe. Sometimes in a photo, shadows and reflections can look like dents -- that said, if you're shopping for 8-10 year old cars it is going to be rare to find one without a ding or scratch somewhere. Good question about the engine cover, maybe removed for the photo but certainly would be a question for the seller. On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: When I went back and looked over the photos again, it looked like there might be a ding in the bumper drivers side. I also would be lire with engine compartment missing all its cover? Regards, Bob Massmann Southwestern Ohio -Original Message- From: Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 1:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes It's a Blutec, so it has a DPF, I don't know if it's possible to evaluate the condition of those but that would be my concern if everything else checks out. If it got regular long-ish highway trips it probably had adequate opportunity for the "regen" cycles to complete. If it was used mostly for in-town, short trips I'd be more cautious. Then you need to consider *your* driving routine. If this is a car that will mostly be driven short trips for shopping and work maybe diesel isn't the best option. If you'll be doing regular longer fast highway runs, it could be great. Allan On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a CARFAX report before I look? https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html 2004 BMW X3 2002 BMW 525i 1982 Mercedes 300D none running 1985 Mercedes 300CD none running -Original Message- From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. I am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a diesel car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would be? I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it. So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real big hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later. I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving. Regards, Bob Massmann Southwestern Ohio ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe. Sometimes in a photo, shadows and reflections can look like dents -- that said, if you're shopping for 8-10 year old cars it is going to be rare to find one without a ding or scratch somewhere. Good question about the engine cover, maybe removed for the photo but certainly would be a question for the seller. On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: > When I went back and looked over the photos again, it looked like there > might be a ding in the bumper drivers side. I also would be lire with engine > compartment missing all its cover? > > Regards, > > Bob Massmann > Southwestern Ohio > > -Original Message- > From: Allan Streib via Mercedes > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 1:01 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Allan Streib > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > It's a Blutec, so it has a DPF, I don't know if it's possible to evaluate > the condition of those but that would be my concern if everything else > checks out. If it got regular long-ish highway trips it probably had > adequate opportunity for the "regen" cycles to complete. If it was used > mostly for in-town, short trips I'd be more cautious. > > Then you need to consider *your* driving routine. If this is a car that will > mostly be driven short trips for shopping and work maybe diesel isn't the > best option. If you'll be doing regular longer fast highway runs, it could > be great. > > Allan > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: >> I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a >> CARFAX report before I look? >> >> https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html >> >> 2004 BMW X3 >> 2002 BMW 525i >> 1982 Mercedes 300D none running >> 1985 Mercedes 300CD none running >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes >> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com >> Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes >> >> I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D >> because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. >> I >> am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a >> diesel >> car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would >> be? >> I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may >> upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one >> vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most >> of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it. >> >> So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real >> big >> hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later. >> >> I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving. >> >> Regards, >> >> Bob Massmann >> Southwestern Ohio >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I went back and looked over the photos again, it looked like there might be a ding in the bumper drivers side. I also would be lire with engine compartment missing all its cover? Regards, Bob Massmann Southwestern Ohio -Original Message- From: Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 1:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes It's a Blutec, so it has a DPF, I don't know if it's possible to evaluate the condition of those but that would be my concern if everything else checks out. If it got regular long-ish highway trips it probably had adequate opportunity for the "regen" cycles to complete. If it was used mostly for in-town, short trips I'd be more cautious. Then you need to consider *your* driving routine. If this is a car that will mostly be driven short trips for shopping and work maybe diesel isn't the best option. If you'll be doing regular longer fast highway runs, it could be great. Allan On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a CARFAX report before I look? https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html 2004 BMW X3 2002 BMW 525i 1982 Mercedes 300D none running 1985 Mercedes 300CD none running -Original Message- From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. I am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a diesel car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would be? I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it. So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real big hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later. I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving. Regards, Bob Massmann Southwestern Ohio ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Price seems high. If you aren't set on a large SUV, the 250GLK Bluetec is awesome - reliable and highly fuel efficient. It might be adequate in size to suit your needs. They are mfd. in Germany rather than AL, which IMO is a huge plus. On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 1:03 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It's a Blutec, so it has a DPF, I don't know if it's possible to evaluate > the condition of those but that would be my concern if everything else > checks out. If it got regular long-ish highway trips it probably had > adequate opportunity for the "regen" cycles to complete. If it was used > mostly for in-town, short trips I'd be more cautious. > > Then you need to consider *your* driving routine. If this is a car that > will mostly be driven short trips for shopping and work maybe diesel isn't > the best option. If you'll be doing regular longer fast highway runs, it > could be great. > > Allan > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: > > I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a > > CARFAX report before I look? > > > > > https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html > > > > 2004 BMW X3 > > 2002 BMW 525i > > 1982 Mercedes 300D none running > > 1985 Mercedes 300CD none running > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes > > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com > > Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > > > I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D > > because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 > miles. I > > am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a > diesel > > car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would > be? > > I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may > > upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one > > vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has > most > > of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it. > > > > So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real > big > > hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later. > > > > I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving. > > > > Regards, > > > > Bob Massmann > > Southwestern Ohio > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's a Blutec, so it has a DPF, I don't know if it's possible to evaluate the condition of those but that would be my concern if everything else checks out. If it got regular long-ish highway trips it probably had adequate opportunity for the "regen" cycles to complete. If it was used mostly for in-town, short trips I'd be more cautious. Then you need to consider *your* driving routine. If this is a car that will mostly be driven short trips for shopping and work maybe diesel isn't the best option. If you'll be doing regular longer fast highway runs, it could be great. Allan On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: > I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a > CARFAX report before I look? > > https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html > > 2004 BMW X3 > 2002 BMW 525i > 1982 Mercedes 300D none running > 1985 Mercedes 300CD none running > > -Original Message- > From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com > Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes > > I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D > because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. I > am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a diesel > car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would be? > I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may > upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one > vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most > of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it. > > So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real big > hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later. > > I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving. > > Regards, > > Bob Massmann > Southwestern Ohio > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I found this one about 50 miles from me in Columbus Ohio. Need to see a CARFAX report before I look? https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350/7421132068.html 2004 BMW X3 2002 BMW 525i 1982 Mercedes 300D none running 1985 Mercedes 300CD none running -Original Message- From: Robert Massmann via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. I am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a diesel car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would be? I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it. So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real big hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later. I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving. Regards, Bob Massmann Southwestern Ohio ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can only speak to the 2011 W164 ML diesel. bought one for my wife at the time, it was a nice car, very entertaining what with a very large torque rating. She is still driving it as of a few months ago so from that standpoint it seems to have held up OK. I think I managed to instill in her the idea of ongoing maintenance, oil changes and such, so I presume she is sticking to some routine in that regard. The 164 is more civilized than the 163 but might be a bit less capable in terms of "truckish" behavior -- the 163 is very solid in that regard, off-road and towing, and the 722.6 trans is a solid unit. The newer 722.9 version seems more problematic and more finicky but regular fluid changes will probably help it behave. I know nothing about the newer models you are looking at, other than seeing them around. --FT On 1/5/22 8:47 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. I am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a diesel car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would be? I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it. So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real big hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later. I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving. Regards, Bob Massmann Southwestern Ohio ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes
I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D because is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. I am looking at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a diesel car but it is not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would be? I do like to camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may upgrade to larger enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one vehicle thus far a 2015 ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most of the options. They are asking 19,700 for it. So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real big hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later. I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving. Regards, Bob Massmann Southwestern Ohio ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
