Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 14, Issue 37

2007-01-06 Thread Royce Engler
Tom said

Detonation occurs in the combustion chamber, opposite the spark plug. As
the
flame front burns across the chamber, heat  pressure builds up until the
remaining gas explodes. With higher compression, you already have more
stored heat in the charge, making detonation more likely. Higher octane gas
burns slower than lower octane gas, reducing the pressure  heat. This
allows you to run higher compression.

When I read this, I had a BFO (Blinding Flash of the OBVIOUS).  Part of my
life was spent working as a petroleum engineer and during that time I had to
learn all about the components of petroleum.  Octane is the component of
petroleum that has 8 carbon atoms.  The comment that higher octane gas burns
slower than lower octane gas caused the BFO...I had always associated higher
octane with higher energy and mistakenly equated that with more light ends.
It never occurred to me that increasing the octane percentage (octane
content) would result in more power.  It's true that it has higher energy
content because of the increased percentage of carbon, but the increase in
heavier components makes it less volatile overall.  A lower octane content
suggests that the lower carbon number components (methane, ethane, butane,
propane, pentane, hexane, and heptane) would make up a higher percentage of
the mix, hence making it more likely to detonate rather than burn smoothly
across the chamber.  In essence you are adding a heavier component to make
it burn slower to reduce the problem of detonation.

I know I'm a little wierd, but as an engineer, discovering that little gem
of logic made my day GRIN

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 293K







Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 14, Issue 37

2007-01-06 Thread LarryT

You wrote about octane and detonation:
making it more likely to detonate rather than burn smoothly
across the chamber.  In essence you are adding a heavier component to make
it burn slower to reduce the problem of detonation

Hi Royce,
   Is that your way of saying the higher octane detonates later and 
therefore closer to the time when the piston reaches TDC - or almost? - 
I'm assuming TDC is the best place to ignite the mixture for max HP and 
other ignition points are preferable if lower emissions, etc are the 
objective?


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Tom said


Detonation occurs in the combustion chamber, opposite the spark plug. As

the

flame front burns across the chamber, heat  pressure builds up until the
remaining gas explodes. With higher compression, you already have more
stored heat in the charge, making detonation more likely. Higher octane 
gas

burns slower than lower octane gas, reducing the pressure  heat. This
allows you to run higher compression.


When I read this, I had a BFO (Blinding Flash of the OBVIOUS).  Part of my
life was spent working as a petroleum engineer and during that time I had 
to

learn all about the components of petroleum.  Octane is the component of
petroleum that has 8 carbon atoms.  The comment that higher octane gas 
burns
slower than lower octane gas caused the BFO...I had always associated 
higher
octane with higher energy and mistakenly equated that with more light 
ends.

It never occurred to me that increasing the octane percentage (octane
content) would result in more power.  It's true that it has higher energy
content because of the increased percentage of carbon, but the increase in
heavier components makes it less volatile overall.  A lower octane 
content

suggests that the lower carbon number components (methane, ethane, butane,
propane, pentane, hexane, and heptane) would make up a higher percentage 
of

the mix, hence making it more likely to detonate rather than burn smoothly
across the chamber.  In essence you are adding a heavier component to make
it burn slower to reduce the problem of detonation.

I know I'm a little wierd, but as an engineer, discovering that little gem
of logic made my day GRIN

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 293K





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