Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

This is a w211 but the m272 engine

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 27, 2018 7:37 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> No, but if that model uses one I would keep on on hand.  They’re
> relatively inexpensive for the W210s so I always have one n the shelf.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Dec 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dwight (used to be JGeils) writes:
> >
> >> The camshaft position sensor in my 2005 E320 4matic is failing.
> > Hard,starting & throwing code. Will have Indy replace it after holiday.
> Had
> > to postpone trip to PA to visit family.
> > Anyone BTDT?
> >
> > I think Dan just changed out a crank position sensor. I was wondering if
> it should be changed as a prophylactic measure.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No, but if that model uses one I would keep on on hand.  They’re relatively 
inexpensive for the W210s so I always have one n the shelf.

-D


> On Dec 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dwight (used to be JGeils) writes:
> 
>> The camshaft position sensor in my 2005 E320 4matic is failing.
> Hard,starting & throwing code. Will have Indy replace it after holiday. Had
> to postpone trip to PA to visit family.
> Anyone BTDT?
> 
> I think Dan just changed out a crank position sensor. I was wondering if it 
> should be changed as a prophylactic measure. 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dwight (used to be JGeils) writes:

>The camshaft position sensor in my 2005 E320 4matic is failing.
Hard,starting & throwing code. Will have Indy replace it after holiday. Had
to postpone trip to PA to visit family.
Anyone BTDT?

I think Dan just changed out a crank position sensor. I was wondering if it 
should be changed as a prophylactic measure. 

Rick


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[MBZ] Mercedes content

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

The camshaft position sensor in my 2005 E320 4matic is failing.
Hard,starting & throwing code. Will have Indy replace it after holiday. Had
to postpone trip to PA to visit family.
Anyone BTDT?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

They are quite durable, though molten metal can render them inop

--JC


On 7/9/16 8:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I read that it cost $100K.  Disposable??

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
> wrote:


Cyberdyne Industries has a line of exceptionally capable robots

--JC



On 7/8/16 6:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew,
Here is a representative sample of something perhaps like what
was used.
It is a disposable robot equipped with camera, sound, and
explosive device.
Operated by remote control of course.

A drone attack vehicle.. if you will.


http://fossbytes.com/china-just-made-anti-terror-robots-armed-with-guns-and-grenades/

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:

How does that robot explosive device work that was used to
kill him?
On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes"
>
wrote:

He said he had an IED and that there were lots of
others around. Turns

out

not to be true, but he could have had remote
detonators (cell phone,

etc.)

so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more
whining from him or
the useful idiots.

--JC


On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send
robots to observe,
deliver tear gas, harass with loud music,
whatever. Bring a pizza within
sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to
trade ammo for pizza.

However, I get your point. He was a serious threat
to police and white
people, and the police have the right to defend
themselves and a duty to
protect all people (black people included).

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I read that it cost $100K.  Disposable??

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Cyberdyne Industries has a line of exceptionally capable robots
>
> --JC
>
>
>
> On 7/8/16 6:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>> Here is a representative sample of something perhaps like what was used.
>> It is a disposable robot equipped with camera, sound, and explosive
>> device.
>> Operated by remote control of course.
>>
>> A drone attack vehicle.. if you will.
>>
>>
>> http://fossbytes.com/china-just-made-anti-terror-robots-armed-with-guns-and-grenades/
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> How does that robot explosive device work that was used to kill him?
>>> On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" >> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> He said he had an IED and that there were lots of others around. Turns

>>> out
>>>
 not to be true, but he could have had remote detonators (cell phone,

>>> etc.)
>>>
 so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more whining from him or
 the useful idiots.

 --JC


 On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

 I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe,
> deliver tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza
> within
> sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for
> pizza.
>
> However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and white
> people, and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty
> to
> protect all people (black people included).
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[G Mann via Mercedes]

No Andrew.

BATFE, Bureau of Alcohol Tobbacco Firearms & Explosives controls
manufacture and sale of such items as explosive grenades and full automatic
weapons.

If you owned one as a civilian and were properly licensed by BATFE to own
the device, with all the explosive devices to make it work, you would make
application now,,, and perhaps get the license in 5 years, or that hell has
frozen solid,  after having proved you were a responsible citizen, with a
Yuue bank account.

BATFE.. should be a convenience store instead of a government agency..
;)


On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Are they available for civilians?
> On Jul 8, 2016 6:14 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> > Cyberdyne Industries has a line of exceptionally capable robots
> >
> > --JC
> >
> >
> > On 7/8/16 6:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew,
> >> Here is a representative sample of something perhaps like what was used.
> >> It is a disposable robot equipped with camera, sound, and explosive
> >> device.
> >> Operated by remote control of course.
> >>
> >> A drone attack vehicle.. if you will.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://fossbytes.com/china-just-made-anti-terror-robots-armed-with-guns-and-grenades/
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> How does that robot explosive device work that was used to kill him?
> >>> On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> He said he had an IED and that there were lots of others around. Turns
> 
> >>> out
> >>>
>  not to be true, but he could have had remote detonators (cell phone,
> 
> >>> etc.)
> >>>
>  so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more whining from him
> or
>  the useful idiots.
> 
>  --JC
> 
> 
>  On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>  I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe,
> > deliver tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza
> > within
> > sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for
> > pizza.
> >
> > However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and
> white
> > people, and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty
> > to
> > protect all people (black people included).
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

For you they would make an exception.

--JC


On 7/8/16 10:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


Are they available for civilians?

On Jul 8, 2016 6:14 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 
> wrote:


Cyberdyne Industries has a line of exceptionally capable robots

--JC


On 7/8/16 6:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew,
Here is a representative sample of something perhaps like what
was used.
It is a disposable robot equipped with camera, sound, and
explosive device.
Operated by remote control of course.

A drone attack vehicle.. if you will.


http://fossbytes.com/china-just-made-anti-terror-robots-armed-with-guns-and-grenades/

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:

How does that robot explosive device work that was used to
kill him?
On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes"
>
wrote:

He said he had an IED and that there were lots of
others around. Turns

out

not to be true, but he could have had remote
detonators (cell phone,

etc.)

so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more
whining from him or
the useful idiots.

--JC


On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send
robots to observe,
deliver tear gas, harass with loud music,
whatever. Bring a pizza within
sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to
trade ammo for pizza.

However, I get your point. He was a serious threat
to police and white
people, and the police have the right to defend
themselves and a duty to
protect all people (black people included).

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Are they available for civilians?
On Jul 8, 2016 6:14 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Cyberdyne Industries has a line of exceptionally capable robots
>
> --JC
>
>
> On 7/8/16 6:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>> Here is a representative sample of something perhaps like what was used.
>> It is a disposable robot equipped with camera, sound, and explosive
>> device.
>> Operated by remote control of course.
>>
>> A drone attack vehicle.. if you will.
>>
>>
>> http://fossbytes.com/china-just-made-anti-terror-robots-armed-with-guns-and-grenades/
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> How does that robot explosive device work that was used to kill him?
>>> On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" >> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> He said he had an IED and that there were lots of others around. Turns

>>> out
>>>
 not to be true, but he could have had remote detonators (cell phone,

>>> etc.)
>>>
 so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more whining from him or
 the useful idiots.

 --JC


 On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

 I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe,
> deliver tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza
> within
> sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for
> pizza.
>
> However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and white
> people, and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty
> to
> protect all people (black people included).
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Cyberdyne Industries has a line of exceptionally capable robots

--JC


On 7/8/16 6:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew,
Here is a representative sample of something perhaps like what was used.
It is a disposable robot equipped with camera, sound, and explosive device.
Operated by remote control of course.

A drone attack vehicle.. if you will.

http://fossbytes.com/china-just-made-anti-terror-robots-armed-with-guns-and-grenades/

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


How does that robot explosive device work that was used to kill him?
On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 
wrote:


He said he had an IED and that there were lots of others around. Turns

out

not to be true, but he could have had remote detonators (cell phone,

etc.)

so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more whining from him or
the useful idiots.

--JC


On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:


I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe,
deliver tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza within
sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for pizza.

However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and white
people, and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty to
protect all people (black people included).


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Wilt,

"Now serving Number 2."  Next!

Grant...

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> "How do you deal with someone who is committed to
> kill you?"  Send 'im on.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

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Andrew,
Here is a representative sample of something perhaps like what was used.
It is a disposable robot equipped with camera, sound, and explosive device.
Operated by remote control of course.

A drone attack vehicle.. if you will.

http://fossbytes.com/china-just-made-anti-terror-robots-armed-with-guns-and-grenades/

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How does that robot explosive device work that was used to kill him?
> On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> > He said he had an IED and that there were lots of others around. Turns
> out
> > not to be true, but he could have had remote detonators (cell phone,
> etc.)
> > so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more whining from him or
> > the useful idiots.
> >
> > --JC
> >
> >
> > On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe,
> >> deliver tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza within
> >> sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for pizza.
> >>
> >> However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and white
> >> people, and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty to
> >> protect all people (black people included).
> >>
> >
> > --
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

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"How do you deal with someone who is committed to
kill you?"  Send 'im on.

Wilt


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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Great idea..
but the shooters were well ahead of those "chess moves" from the get / go.
They had announced the area was populated with bombs [inference here is
remote controlled IED type bombs], so waiting them out presented the
credible murder of other large groups of people "somewhere" within the
control of the shooters.

Always easy to monday morning QB a play.. not so easy when you are on the
line being shot at while trying to recover your freshly murdered fellow
citizens..

As more details come to light, it becomes more apparent this was well
thought out ahead of time, likely with some inside information on the
location of the officers and marchers.

So the question comes, "How do you deal with someone who is committed to
kill you?"

My view is that we collectively lost our "violence virginity" to some
extent.

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe,
> deliver tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza within
> sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for pizza.
>
> However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and white
> people, and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty to
> protect all people (black people included).
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On July 8, 2016 12:28:13 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >In reply:
> >The reports I heard said the hold out was an active shooter who kept
> >firing
> >long after the other shooters were in custody.
> >He had secured a position inside the concrete and steel reinforced
> >parking
> >garage making himself the modern equal to a WW2 machine gun pill box
> >emplacement.
> >
> >To walk in and make an arrest would have been certain suicide. The
> >individual had communicated with police that "they would never take him
> >alive and he would kill anyone he could."
> >Certainly, he could not be allowed to be loose on society. He was
> >actively
> >involved in the shooting of 11 people, killing 5 instantly, and
> >presented a
> >clear and present danger of killing more.
> >
> >Would YOU choose to walk up to him and "read him his rights"?
> >
> >I pose this question. If you were locked in a room with two mad dogs,
> >which
> >one of them would you try to negotiate with?
> >
> >Would you instead choose to let them kill you? Or "read them their
> >rights?.
> >Or open the door and let them run loose on your fellow man, hoping they
> >didn't kill or maim you on their way out?
> >
> >Or, would it be a "reality moment" for you?
> >
> >Respectfully,
> >Grant...
> >
> >On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Story says the one suspect was cornered / trapped and police were
> >> negotiating, but the negotiations failed and a robot was used to get
> >a bomb
> >> to the suspect and detonate the bomb to kill the suspect.  WTF?  Why
> >not
> >> keep him cornered and wait him out?  I guess I need to keep reading.
> >> Certainly this suspect would probably have been executed by the state
> >after
> >> a jury trial after he surrendered, so the end may be the same, but
> >who
> >> authorized and why did they authorize killing the suspect with no
> >trial?
> >> Hello, we have this old piece of paper called the Constitution and
> >another
> >> called the Bill of Right?  I believe the second one has something to
> >say
> >> about due process?
> >>
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Two of the suspects were taken into custody after fleeing the
> >scene in a
> >> > black Mercedes. An officer saw one of the pair hurriedly putting a
> >> > camouflage bag in the back of the car before driving off 'at a high
> >rate
> >> of
> >> > speed'."
> >> >
> >> > Leaving aside the malapropism "high rate of speed" (which would be
> >an
> >> > "acceleration") this association is disturbing.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680097/Protests-sweep-nation-thousands-demand-justice-Alton-Sterling-Philando-Castile-black-men-shot-dead-police.html#ixzz4DnLcahCK
> >> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Robot's role in killing Dallas shooter is a first

There's nothing new about a dangerous suspect dying at the hands of police.
But Thursday night in Dallas, the situation played out with a twist. Micah 
Johnson, believed to have killed five police officers, was killed by an 
explosive device that a robot delivered.
Two executives at robotic companies told CNN this is the first time a police 
robot has been involved in a civilian's death.
"We saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its 
extension for it to detonate where the suspect was," Brown said at a news 
conference Friday morning. "Other options would have exposed our officers to 
grave danger."
It's unclear exactly what type of robot was used in the suspect's death. Robots 
are common inside police departments, and generally used to disable explosive 
devices or disorient and incapacitate suspects that are barricaded. Sometimes 
these robots are used to place an explosive near a bomb in order to disarm it 
via explosion.
Northrop Grumman Remotec, which calls itself the largest providers of robots to 
first responders, declined to comment and referred all questions to the Dallas 
police department.
The robot was likely expensive, with a price tag of around $100,000, according 
to Endeavor Robotics chief executive Sean Bielat.
Endeavor Robotics sells its robots to agencies in the greater Dallas area, but 
wasn't sure if its robot was used in Thursday's incident.
These types of ground robots do not operate autonomously, but are under the 
control of a human operator. Similar models are used overseas to disable 
explosive devises in places such as Iraq. Using one to kill a suspect in the 
U.S. is unheard of.
"I think this is an anomaly," said Brian Hart, the president of Black-I 
Robotics, which makes ground robots for the government. He doesn't foresee a 
new trend of police using robots to kill suspects.
It's unclear if the Dallas robot was present at the time of the explosion, or 
left the explosive device and retreated to safety so it wouldn't be harmed as 
well.
Bielat's ground robots, which are designed for law enforcement, aren't designed 
to be used for lethal purposes. But that doesn't stop them from being used that 
way.
"If the first responders who were there thought this was the most appropriate 
way to use it, it must have been the most extreme situation," Bielat said. 
"It's tragic that this situation ended this way, but it was in respond to an 
even greater tragedy."
Bielat said using robots in police encounters can actually improve safety and 
reduce deaths.
"You can't shoot second if you're a person and you're dealing with somebody's 
who is armed," Bielat said. "But if you're a robot you absolutely can."

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/08/technology/dallas-robot-death/index.html

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  wrote:

> How does that robot explosive device work that was used to kill him?
> On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> > He said he had an IED and that there were lots of others around. Turns out
> > not to be true, but he could have had remote detonators (cell phone, etc.)
> > so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more whining from him or
> > the useful idiots.
> >
> > --JC
> >
> >
> > On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe,
> >> deliver tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza within
> >> sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for pizza.
> >>
> >> However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and white
> >> people, and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty to
> >> protect all people (black people included).
> >>
> >
> > --
> > --BB
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

How does that robot explosive device work that was used to kill him?
On Jul 8, 2016 4:12 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> He said he had an IED and that there were lots of others around. Turns out
> not to be true, but he could have had remote detonators (cell phone, etc.)
> so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more whining from him or
> the useful idiots.
>
> --JC
>
>
> On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe,
>> deliver tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza within
>> sight and smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for pizza.
>>
>> However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and white
>> people, and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty to
>> protect all people (black people included).
>>
>
> --
> --BB
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

He said he had an IED and that there were lots of others around. Turns 
out not to be true, but he could have had remote detonators (cell phone, 
etc.) so the cops dealt with it and we won't hear any more whining from 
him or the useful idiots.


--JC


On 7/8/16 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe, deliver 
tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza within sight and 
smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for pizza.

However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and white people, 
and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty to protect all 
people (black people included).


--
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I would have barricaded him in, and waited. Send robots to observe, deliver 
tear gas, harass with loud music, whatever. Bring a pizza within sight and 
smell, but out of reach, to tempt him to trade ammo for pizza.

However, I get your point. He was a serious threat to police and white people, 
and the police have the right to defend themselves and a duty to protect all 
people (black people included).
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 8, 2016 12:28:13 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes  
wrote:
>In reply:
>The reports I heard said the hold out was an active shooter who kept
>firing
>long after the other shooters were in custody.
>He had secured a position inside the concrete and steel reinforced
>parking
>garage making himself the modern equal to a WW2 machine gun pill box
>emplacement.
>
>To walk in and make an arrest would have been certain suicide. The
>individual had communicated with police that "they would never take him
>alive and he would kill anyone he could."
>Certainly, he could not be allowed to be loose on society. He was
>actively
>involved in the shooting of 11 people, killing 5 instantly, and
>presented a
>clear and present danger of killing more.
>
>Would YOU choose to walk up to him and "read him his rights"?
>
>I pose this question. If you were locked in a room with two mad dogs,
>which
>one of them would you try to negotiate with?
>
>Would you instead choose to let them kill you? Or "read them their
>rights?.
>Or open the door and let them run loose on your fellow man, hoping they
>didn't kill or maim you on their way out?
>
>Or, would it be a "reality moment" for you?
>
>Respectfully,
>Grant...
>
>On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Story says the one suspect was cornered / trapped and police were
>> negotiating, but the negotiations failed and a robot was used to get
>a bomb
>> to the suspect and detonate the bomb to kill the suspect.  WTF?  Why
>not
>> keep him cornered and wait him out?  I guess I need to keep reading.
>> Certainly this suspect would probably have been executed by the state
>after
>> a jury trial after he surrendered, so the end may be the same, but
>who
>> authorized and why did they authorize killing the suspect with no
>trial?
>> Hello, we have this old piece of paper called the Constitution and
>another
>> called the Bill of Right?  I believe the second one has something to
>say
>> about due process?
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "Two of the suspects were taken into custody after fleeing the
>scene in a
>> > black Mercedes. An officer saw one of the pair hurriedly putting a
>> > camouflage bag in the back of the car before driving off 'at a high
>rate
>> of
>> > speed'."
>> >
>> > Leaving aside the malapropism "high rate of speed" (which would be
>an
>> > "acceleration") this association is disturbing.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680097/Protests-sweep-nation-thousands-demand-justice-Alton-Sterling-Philando-Castile-black-men-shot-dead-police.html#ixzz4DnLcahCK
>> >
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

EYEWITNESSES:

DALLAS, July 8 (UPI) -- Hundreds of people who turned out to protest two fatal 
shootings involving police officers instead became witnesses to more violence 
as a gunman fired into the crowd, killing five officers.

Seven other police officers were injured as onlookers scrambled for cover.

"I didn't see anybody else get shot, just the cops. I saw cops getting shot, 
right there in plain sight," Cortney Washington told NBC Dallas-Fort Worth.

"While we was running, like, they just kept shooting," Washington said. "We 
didn't know where it was coming from."

Another witness told MSNBC: "We heard shots, we smelled gunpowder, and that's 
when everything got really intense and surreal," the man said. "We just started 
to run and grab kids."

Renee Sifflet told The Dallas Morning News she took her three teenage children 
to the rally "for a positive experience, something they could say they were 
part of when they're older."

"Then it turned negative," Sifflet said.

Witness Carlos Harris told the News the gunfire was "strategic. It was 
tap-tap-pause. Tap-tap-pause."

Ismael Dejesus was in his downtown Dallas hotel room when he heard "popping 
sounds." He went to the balcony to see what was going on.

"I thought it was fireworks," he told CNN's Don Lemon.

He then described how he saw a gunman get out of a Chevy Tahoe SUV wearing 
tactical clothing.

"Man had a rifle, AR-15, clear as day. Pretty big magazine.

"He had multiple pockets, he had three to four pockets in front of his pants. 
He definitely looked like he was wearing something in his shirt.

"He got out of there, walked over to the pillar, put a magazine in and started 
firing.

"It did look planned. He knew where to stand. He had ammo ready. They weren't 
short mags. They were high-capacity magazines."

Dejesus believes the shooter was deliberately trying to draw police near by 
spraying bullets to the left and right.

"He was trying to get a commotion going, trying to get cops' attention."

When one officer attempts to engage the shooter one-on-one, he was killed by 
multiple shots fired at point blank range.

Dejesus said that it "looked like an execution." He noted how the gunman stood 
over the police officer "after he was already down and shot him three or four 
more times in the back. It was very disturbing to watch.

"He shot without any fear. He didn't care."

Michael Kevin Bautista, who was taking part in the Black Lives Matter protest 
in Dallas on Thursday evening, streamed video of the shootout between the 
gunmen and police officers on Facebook Live.


In the three-minute footage, several officers can be seen exchanging fire with 
the gunmen.

"They're shooting right now. And there's an officer down," he says in the 
video. "It's coming from the right over there, from around these buildings."

Bautista identified the location as the intersection of Main Street and Lamar 
Street. The footage shows the officers advancing toward the direction of the 
gunshots.

"They're moving in on somebody," Bautista said. "I think they might have got 
somebody."

Another witness tweeted a video as she saw the carnage from her apartment.


One woman told {link:NBC Dallas Fort Worth: 
"http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/dallas-police-ambush/all-sudden-you-ve-seen-them-just-fall-witnesses-recount-n605721;
 target="_blank"}: "We were leaving, and when we turned, there was cops. They 
were patrolling. Then, all of a sudden, you've seen them just fall."

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/07/08/Witnesses-to-Dallas-horror-They-just-kept-shooting/8011467983012/?spt=hrs=2
~

Meade Dillon via Mercedes  wrote:
> Story says the one suspect was cornered / trapped and police were
> negotiating, but the negotiations failed and a robot was used to get a bomb
> to the suspect and detonate the bomb to kill the suspect.  WTF?  Why not
> keep him cornered and wait him out?  I guess I need to keep reading.
> Certainly this suspect would probably have been executed by the state after
> a jury trial after he surrendered, so the end may be the same, but who
> authorized and why did they authorize killing the suspect with no trial?
> Hello, we have this old piece of paper called the Constitution and another
> called the Bill of Right?  I believe the second one has something to say
> about due process?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > "Two of the suspects were taken into custody after fleeing the scene in a
> > black Mercedes. An officer saw one of the pair hurriedly putting a
> > camouflage bag in the back of the car before driving off 'at a high rate of
> > speed'."
> >
> > Leaving aside the malapropism "high rate of speed" (which would be an
> > "acceleration") this association is disturbing.
> >
> >
> > 

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content in Dallas

[G Mann via Mercedes]

In reply:
The reports I heard said the hold out was an active shooter who kept firing
long after the other shooters were in custody.
He had secured a position inside the concrete and steel reinforced parking
garage making himself the modern equal to a WW2 machine gun pill box
emplacement.

To walk in and make an arrest would have been certain suicide. The
individual had communicated with police that "they would never take him
alive and he would kill anyone he could."
Certainly, he could not be allowed to be loose on society. He was actively
involved in the shooting of 11 people, killing 5 instantly, and presented a
clear and present danger of killing more.

Would YOU choose to walk up to him and "read him his rights"?

I pose this question. If you were locked in a room with two mad dogs, which
one of them would you try to negotiate with?

Would you instead choose to let them kill you? Or "read them their rights?.
Or open the door and let them run loose on your fellow man, hoping they
didn't kill or maim you on their way out?

Or, would it be a "reality moment" for you?

Respectfully,
Grant...

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Story says the one suspect was cornered / trapped and police were
> negotiating, but the negotiations failed and a robot was used to get a bomb
> to the suspect and detonate the bomb to kill the suspect.  WTF?  Why not
> keep him cornered and wait him out?  I guess I need to keep reading.
> Certainly this suspect would probably have been executed by the state after
> a jury trial after he surrendered, so the end may be the same, but who
> authorized and why did they authorize killing the suspect with no trial?
> Hello, we have this old piece of paper called the Constitution and another
> called the Bill of Right?  I believe the second one has something to say
> about due process?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > "Two of the suspects were taken into custody after fleeing the scene in a
> > black Mercedes. An officer saw one of the pair hurriedly putting a
> > camouflage bag in the back of the car before driving off 'at a high rate
> of
> > speed'."
> >
> > Leaving aside the malapropism "high rate of speed" (which would be an
> > "acceleration") this association is disturbing.
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680097/Protests-sweep-nation-thousands-demand-justice-Alton-Sterling-Philando-Castile-black-men-shot-dead-police.html#ixzz4DnLcahCK
> >
> >
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Story says the one suspect was cornered / trapped and police were
negotiating, but the negotiations failed and a robot was used to get a bomb
to the suspect and detonate the bomb to kill the suspect.  WTF?  Why not
keep him cornered and wait him out?  I guess I need to keep reading.
Certainly this suspect would probably have been executed by the state after
a jury trial after he surrendered, so the end may be the same, but who
authorized and why did they authorize killing the suspect with no trial?
Hello, we have this old piece of paper called the Constitution and another
called the Bill of Right?  I believe the second one has something to say
about due process?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> "Two of the suspects were taken into custody after fleeing the scene in a
> black Mercedes. An officer saw one of the pair hurriedly putting a
> camouflage bag in the back of the car before driving off 'at a high rate of
> speed'."
>
> Leaving aside the malapropism "high rate of speed" (which would be an
> "acceleration") this association is disturbing.
>
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680097/Protests-sweep-nation-thousands-demand-justice-Alton-Sterling-Philando-Castile-black-men-shot-dead-police.html#ixzz4DnLcahCK
>
>
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[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

"Two of the suspects were taken into custody after fleeing the scene in 
a black Mercedes. An officer saw one of the pair hurriedly putting a 
camouflage bag in the back of the car before driving off 'at a high rate 
of speed'."


Leaving aside the malapropism "high rate of speed" (which would be an 
"acceleration") this association is disturbing.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680097/Protests-sweep-nation-thousands-demand-justice-Alton-Sterling-Philando-Castile-black-men-shot-dead-police.html#ixzz4DnLcahCK

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[MBZ] Mercedes content

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[MBZ] Mercedes content

[Rich Thomas]

I prefer the young lady but I'm sure most of you will ignore her and 
drool over the car.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2096164/Leticia-Peres-flashes-bra-atop-convertible-Mercedes-filming-advert.html

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content

[WILTON]

Car?  What car?  I ain't seen no car!

Wilton

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From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

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Subject: [MBZ] Mercedes content


I prefer the young lady but I'm sure most of you will ignore her and drool 
over the car.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2096164/Leticia-Peres-flashes-bra-atop-convertible-Mercedes-filming-advert.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content

[E M]

You read those British online rags too, eh?.  ;-)

Ed
300E

On 4 February 2012 10:51, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote:

 I prefer the young lady but I'm sure most of you will ignore her and drool
 over the car.

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/**tvshowbiz/article-2096164/**
 Leticia-Peres-flashes-bra-**atop-convertible-Mercedes-**
 filming-advert.htmlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2096164/Leticia-Peres-flashes-bra-atop-convertible-Mercedes-filming-advert.html

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content

[Rich Thomas]

Yes they have lots of good car content.

--R

On 2/4/12 11:17 AM, E M wrote:

You read those British online rags too, eh?.  ;-)

Ed
300E

On 4 February 2012 10:51, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote:


I prefer the young lady but I'm sure most of you will ignore her and drool
over the car.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/**tvshowbiz/article-2096164/**
Leticia-Peres-flashes-bra-**atop-convertible-Mercedes-**
filming-advert.htmlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2096164/Leticia-Peres-flashes-bra-atop-convertible-Mercedes-filming-advert.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content

[E M]

Hard to argue with. ;-)

Ed
300E

On 4 February 2012 11:23, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote:

 Yes they have lots of good car content.

 --R

 On 2/4/12 11:17 AM, E M wrote:

 You read those British online rags too, eh?.  ;-)

 Ed
 300E

 On 4 February 2012 10:51, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 wrote:

  I prefer the young lady but I'm sure most of you will ignore her and
 drool
 over the car.

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2096164/**http://www.dailymail.co.uk/**tvshowbiz/article-2096164/**
 Leticia-Peres-flashes-bra-atop-convertible-Mercedes-**
 filming-advert.htmlhttp://**www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/**
 article-2096164/Leticia-Peres-**flashes-bra-atop-convertible-**
 Mercedes-filming-advert.htmlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2096164/Leticia-Peres-flashes-bra-atop-convertible-Mercedes-filming-advert.html
 

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content

[Hans Neureiter]

Any one notice the squirrel driving?
So sad that made the list.
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I prefer the young lady but I'm sure most of you will ignore her and drool
 over the car.

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/**tvshowbiz/article-2096164/**
 Leticia-Peres-flashes-bra-**atop-convertible-Mercedes-**
 filming-advert.htmlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2096164/Leticia-Peres-flashes-bra-atop-convertible-Mercedes-filming-advert.html

 --R

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[MBZ] Mercedes content

[Curt Raymond]

The 190D had a taillight out so I did a little sleuthing on that this morning. 
I thought it might just be loose in the socket so before I did anything else I 
took that pod out (right side) and cleaned the contact good. In fact that one 
was a little rusty and the chrome had flaked off. I smeared some chassis grease 
on it. Put it back together and it turns out the bulb was indeed bad...
Go to start the car and it turns over real slow (whub whub whub). I didn't glow 
enough and it was pretty cold out. Usually the car starts super easy with 
almost no cranking, just touch the key.
So I took it for a little ride and came back here, just in case the battery 
wasn't charging or something, I couldn't find my multimeter to check. Things 
were fine so I took off on my errands. Made 2 or 3 stops with nothing of note.
At Autozone I had skippy come out with the battery tester. Everything read 
fine, he kept it on the load tester awhile and it never dropped from the good 
zone for a 1000ah battery.

Leaving Autozone it again sounded like the battery was weak...
My new suspicion is that the Autozone battery load tester isn't up to the task 
of really loading up that battery the way the starter on the car does. Tomorrow 
I'll have my wife start the car while I watch the multimeter (found it in my 
truck).

Question:
Does anybody  know what cranking voltage should be? I'm guessing somewhere 
around 11v but am not totally sure. Figure in a pinch I could start the truck 
and see but thats not really comparing apples to apples.

-Curt

   
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content

[Peter Frederick]

Might not be the battery, after all -- the starters do go bad once in a 
while (about 200,000 miles or so, at least on the 603 engines).

You need to check the current draw while starting, should be no more 
that 950 amps, I think.

The usual failure is to slow and make funny noise for a while, then 
lock up solid.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content

[Jim Cathey]

 Does anybody know what cranking voltage should be? I'm guessing 
 somewhere around 11v but

Certainly less than 10V is getting into bad territory.  What
you really want to watch out for are voltage drops in the
cabling.  Measure voltage between the center post of the battery
(NOT any part of the clamp) and the other terminal of the starter
(again, the center) while a helper starts it.  Should be very small,
well under a volt.  Do both + and - battery terminals, the case
of the starter is the other terminal in that case.

 You need to check the current draw while starting, should be no more
 that 950 amps, I think.

I measured the 240D, and it was about 350A IIRC.  As was the 200D,
both in spring conditions.

-- Jim


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