Re: [MBZ] Mitch Needs This

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Exactly correct. I've also had a non DDEC, mechanical govenor, mechanical
injection 8V71 and a 6V92... by pulling all the tuning tricks to set
govenor and injection to "just right" performance was acceptable minus
emissions issues.. but fuel consumption was geared to 25 cents a gallon
diesel... [a THOSE were the good old days].

The DDEC [Detroit Diesel Electronic Control] made major strides and
improvement, for 2 stroke diesels...  The shift to 4 stroke ended the day
of stroke domination since 1936.

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 8:04 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> There’s a difference between the later two cycle Detroits and their
> predecessors, and that’s mainly due to electronics that control fuel
> management. The 92 series were far more modern engines and much more
> efficient that the older models. DDECII went a long way into making the two
> cycle engines efficient.
>
> That being said, the comparison between over the road operation and
> stationary standby or prime power operation isn’t a fair one, as the fuel
> efficiency profiles are very different.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 6, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On January 5, 2018 at 9:59 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> With the 6V92's I would see 7 MPG to 10 MPG again, always being
> careful
> >> to keep the engine loaded in the "diesel sweet spot" of RPM / Torque.
> >
> > 10MPG at 35 tons with a modern common rail engine impresses me.
> > 10MPG at 14 tons with a 6V92 impresses me even more. I thought the
> supercharged two strokes were fuel sucking pigs.
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Re: [MBZ] Mitch Needs This

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There’s a difference between the later two cycle Detroits and their 
predecessors, and that’s mainly due to electronics that control fuel 
management. The 92 series were far more modern engines and much more efficient 
that the older models. DDECII went a long way into making the two cycle engines 
efficient.

That being said, the comparison between over the road operation and stationary 
standby or prime power operation isn’t a fair one, as the fuel efficiency 
profiles are very different.

-D

> On Jan 6, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On January 5, 2018 at 9:59 PM G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> With the 6V92's I would see 7 MPG to 10 MPG again, always being careful
>> to keep the engine loaded in the "diesel sweet spot" of RPM / Torque.
> 
> 10MPG at 35 tons with a modern common rail engine impresses me. 
> 10MPG at 14 tons with a 6V92 impresses me even more. I thought the 
> supercharged two strokes were fuel sucking pigs.
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Re: [MBZ] Mitch Needs This

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 5, 2018 at 9:59 PM G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> With the 6V92's I would see 7 MPG to 10 MPG again, always being careful
> to keep the engine loaded in the "diesel sweet spot" of RPM / Torque.

10MPG at 35 tons with a modern common rail engine impresses me. 
10MPG at 14 tons with a 6V92 impresses me even more. I thought the supercharged 
two strokes were fuel sucking pigs.

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Re: [MBZ] Mitch Needs This

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Well, with the 8V92 on a good day with careful management, I get 4 Miles
per gallon, at steady state of 60 Miles per hour that translates to 15
gallons per hour unless it's up hill and I dial the fuel up to make the
grade in a hard pull... then. as they say... "Your Mileage May Vary"
. or a head wind...

With the 6V92's I would see 7 MPG to 10 MPG again, always being careful
to keep the engine loaded in the "diesel sweet spot" of RPM / Torque.

Vehicle empty weight was 28,000 lbs on the 8V92, it's 40,000 lbs
Nothing moves for free, tis said.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:14 AM, fmiser via Mercedes 
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> > G wrote:
>
> > At full load only 1 gallon per hour is "conservative".  I have
> > owned 6 of these engines, presently own one 8V92 [same
> > cylinders, just 2 more of them].
> >
> > Plan for 2 to 3 gallons per hour at full load
>
> Do you mean "minute" not "hour"?
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Re: [MBZ] Mitch Needs This

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> G wrote:

> At full load only 1 gallon per hour is "conservative".  I have
> owned 6 of these engines, presently own one 8V92 [same
> cylinders, just 2 more of them].
> 
> Plan for 2 to 3 gallons per hour at full load 

Do you mean "minute" not "hour"?

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Re: [MBZ] Mitch Needs This

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> On January 5, 2018 at 11:29 AM G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> At full load only 1 gallon per hour is "conservative".  I have owned 6 of
> these engines, presently own one 8V92 [same cylinders, just 2 more of
> them].
> 
> Plan for 2 to 3 gallons per hour at full load but then, how many
> neighborhoods do you want to power up?  Send your neighbors a "power bill"
> , become a "utility".. ha

Huh? 1 to 3 gph???
If I put it in a semi rig, it'll cruise down a level road at 10-15gph, won't it?

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Re: [MBZ] Mitch Needs This

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I wonder how long you could run that thing before violating local nuisance
ordinances.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:29 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> At full load only 1 gallon per hour is "conservative".  I have owned 6 of
> these engines, presently own one 8V92 [same cylinders, just 2 more of
> them].
>
> Plan for 2 to 3 gallons per hour at full load but then, how many
> neighborhoods do you want to power up?  Send your neighbors a "power bill"
> , become a "utility".. ha
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 8:10 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > I’m going to guess about 40-50 gph at full load.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Jan 5, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > And it's got a big two stroke Detroit in it.
> > > How much fuel does a 6V92 burn in an hour, anyway?
> > > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Mitch Needs This

[G Mann via Mercedes]

At full load only 1 gallon per hour is "conservative".  I have owned 6 of
these engines, presently own one 8V92 [same cylinders, just 2 more of
them].

Plan for 2 to 3 gallons per hour at full load but then, how many
neighborhoods do you want to power up?  Send your neighbors a "power bill"
, become a "utility".. ha

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 8:10 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I’m going to guess about 40-50 gph at full load.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 5, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > And it's got a big two stroke Detroit in it.
> > How much fuel does a 6V92 burn in an hour, anyway?
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Mitch Needs This

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I’m going to guess about 40-50 gph at full load.

-D

> On Jan 5, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> And it's got a big two stroke Detroit in it.
> How much fuel does a 6V92 burn in an hour, anyway?
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Mitch Needs This

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

And it's got a big two stroke Detroit in it.
How much fuel does a 6V92 burn in an hour, anyway?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Mitch Needs This

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Holy snot! That thing makes nearly as much power per hour as we use per month!
-Curt
 

On Friday, January 5, 2018, 7:13:40 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Prime power for your home and neighbors.  Tell the power company to piss off:

https://porthuron.craigslist.org/for/d/kohler-230kwdieselgenerator/6447437716.html

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Mitch Needs This

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Like any mechanical system, a lot depends on maintenance.  I would say probably 
2500-5000 hours.

It’s not designed to be a prime power (continuous) system, but you could 
certainly use it that way.  Maintenance is a lot more aggressive on a prime 
power unit as one might expect.  Fuel consumption on the 92 series DDC engines 
isn’t exactly light, either.

-D

> On Jan 5, 2018, at 7:38 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What's the TBF on one of these?
> 
> -MMM-
> 
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:13 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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>> Prime power for your home and neighbors.  Tell the power company to piss
>> off:
>> 
>> https://porthuron.craigslist.org/for/d/kohler-230kwdieselgenerator/
>> 6447437716.html
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>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Mitch Needs This

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

What's the TBF on one of these?

-MMM-

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> Prime power for your home and neighbors.  Tell the power company to piss
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[MBZ] Mitch Needs This

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Prime power for your home and neighbors.  Tell the power company to piss off:

https://porthuron.craigslist.org/for/d/kohler-230kwdieselgenerator/6447437716.html

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