Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-05-01 Thread RDeafBoy
Ramember that Chrysler was saved the fist time  around with the  K 
series; which petered out pretty bad  !
 Now we have Fiat in the picture . [Fix  It  Again  
Tony ]  Now they'll probably  bring us the  F series  and you know what that 
entails.LOL
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-05-01 Thread Mitch Haley

rdeaf...@aol.com wrote:
Ramember that Chrysler was saved the fist time  around with the  K 
series; which petered out pretty bad  !
 Now we have Fiat in the picture . [Fix  It  Again  
Tony ]  Now they'll probably  bring us the  F series  and you know what that 
entails.LOL


Seicento?
Cinquecento? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_500

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[MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Tom Hargrave
Dear Employees, 

Today is the day that we expect the U.S. government to announce whether
Chrysler has satisfied requirements to go ahead with our proposed global
alliance with Fiat and qualify for additional federal loans. Following the
Administration’s announcement, we will communicate to you further details on
what the decision means for us. 

Yesterday, UAW members voted to ratify a new labor agreement that will
substantially improve Chrysler’s competitive position. We appreciate the
sacrifices made by represented employees to aid our restructuring effort.
This was the latest example of how so many of our constituents – employees,
dealers, suppliers, lenders, Daimler and Cerberus have stepped up during
this critical period to help ensure our viability. 

With the guidance of the U.S. Treasury, we also continue to work with our
lenders to establish a level of debt that would be serviceable under the
proposed Fiat alliance.  The agreement of all lenders continues to be a
critical factor in our ability to meet government requirements and as such,
remains our focus in the successful completion of our restructuring efforts.


On March 30, the U.S. Treasury announced that all Chrysler constituents
would need to make significant concessions and that our company needed to
conclude a strategic alliance with Fiat as a requirement of our government
loans. In an extraordinary month of the Chrysler family pulling together –
and with the assistance of the U.S. government as well as the Canadian
federal and Ontario provincial governments – we have made great strides
toward an alliance with Fiat. If successfully completed, this alliance will
help sustain our business and will help bring exciting new products to our
showrooms, supporting our mission to deliver the cars and trucks customers
want to buy, will enjoy driving and will want to buy again. 

Thank you again for your tireless efforts during this extraordinary time,
and your dedication to ensuring Chrysler’s future success. 

Bob

 

Thanks,

Tom Hargrave

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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Gary Hurst
the NEW Dodge 128.

128.  A new kind of American car.  Our quality commitment to you!



2009/4/30 Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net

 Dear Employees,

 Today is the day that we expect the U.S. government to announce whether
 Chrysler has satisfied requirements to go ahead with our proposed global
 alliance with Fiat and qualify for additional federal loans. Following the
 Administration’s announcement, we will communicate to you further details
 on
 what the decision means for us.

 Yesterday, UAW members voted to ratify a new labor agreement that will
 substantially improve Chrysler’s competitive position. We appreciate the
 sacrifices made by represented employees to aid our restructuring effort.
 This was the latest example of how so many of our constituents – employees,
 dealers, suppliers, lenders, Daimler and Cerberus have stepped up during
 this critical period to help ensure our viability.

 With the guidance of the U.S. Treasury, we also continue to work with our
 lenders to establish a level of debt that would be serviceable under the
 proposed Fiat alliance.  The agreement of all lenders continues to be a
 critical factor in our ability to meet government requirements and as such,
 remains our focus in the successful completion of our restructuring
 efforts.


 On March 30, the U.S. Treasury announced that all Chrysler constituents
 would need to make significant concessions and that our company needed to
 conclude a strategic alliance with Fiat as a requirement of our government
 loans. In an extraordinary month of the Chrysler family pulling together –
 and with the assistance of the U.S. government as well as the Canadian
 federal and Ontario provincial governments – we have made great strides
 toward an alliance with Fiat. If successfully completed, this alliance will
 help sustain our business and will help bring exciting new products to our
 showrooms, supporting our mission to deliver the cars and trucks customers
 want to buy, will enjoy driving and will want to buy again.

 Thank you again for your tireless efforts during this extraordinary time,
 and your dedication to ensuring Chrysler’s future success.

 Bob



 Thanks,

 Tom Hargrave

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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread LWB250

Would that be like a new 124 sport coupe?  Heck, they've probably still got 
the tooling laying around in a dusty corner somewhere.


Poos


--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 9:49 AM
 the NEW Dodge 128.
 
 128.  A new kind of American car.  Our quality
 commitment to you!
 
 
 
 2009/4/30 Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net
 
  Dear Employees,
 
  Today is the day that we expect the U.S. government to
 announce whether
  Chrysler has satisfied requirements to go ahead with
 our proposed global
  alliance with Fiat and qualify for additional federal
 loans. Following the
  Administration’s announcement, we will communicate
 to you further details
  on
  what the decision means for us.
 
  Yesterday, UAW members voted to ratify a new labor
 agreement that will
  substantially improve Chrysler’s competitive
 position. We appreciate the
  sacrifices made by represented employees to aid our
 restructuring effort.
  This was the latest example of how so many of our
 constituents – employees,
  dealers, suppliers, lenders, Daimler and Cerberus have
 stepped up during
  this critical period to help ensure our viability.
 
  With the guidance of the U.S. Treasury, we also
 continue to work with our
  lenders to establish a level of debt that would be
 serviceable under the
  proposed Fiat alliance.  The agreement of all
 lenders continues to be a
  critical factor in our ability to meet government
 requirements and as such,
  remains our focus in the successful completion of our
 restructuring
  efforts.
 
 
  On March 30, the U.S. Treasury announced that all
 Chrysler constituents
  would need to make significant concessions and that
 our company needed to
  conclude a strategic alliance with Fiat as a
 requirement of our government
  loans. In an extraordinary month of the Chrysler
 family pulling together –
  and with the assistance of the U.S. government as well
 as the Canadian
  federal and Ontario provincial governments – we have
 made great strides
  toward an alliance with Fiat. If successfully
 completed, this alliance will
  help sustain our business and will help bring exciting
 new products to our
  showrooms, supporting our mission to deliver the cars
 and trucks customers
  want to buy, will enjoy driving and will want to buy
 again.
 
  Thank you again for your tireless efforts during this
 extraordinary time,
  and your dedication to ensuring Chrysler’s future
 success.
 
  Bob
 
 
 
  Thanks,
 
  Tom Hargrave
 
  HYPERLINK http://www.kegkits.comwww.kegkits.com
 
  HYPERLINK http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
 
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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Mitch Haley

LWB250 wrote:

Would that be like a new 124 sport coupe?  Heck, they've probably still got 
the tooling laying around in a dusty corner somewhere.


Heck, I'd gladly pay $4000 for a brand new 850 Racer.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Gary Hurst
it's a new kind of american car!

don't think these guys wouldn't do it.  if you think the american auto exec
is ever going to change you are whacked.

we are in for more of the same flim flam as always

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:54 AM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Would that be like a new 124 sport coupe?  Heck, they've probably still
 got the tooling laying around in a dusty corner somewhere.


 Poos


 --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 9:49 AM
  the NEW Dodge 128.
 
  128.  A new kind of American car.  Our quality
  commitment to you!
 
 
 
  2009/4/30 Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net
 
   Dear Employees,
  
   Today is the day that we expect the U.S. government to
  announce whether
   Chrysler has satisfied requirements to go ahead with
  our proposed global
   alliance with Fiat and qualify for additional federal
  loans. Following the
   Administration’s announcement, we will communicate
  to you further details
   on
   what the decision means for us.
  
   Yesterday, UAW members voted to ratify a new labor
  agreement that will
   substantially improve Chrysler’s competitive
  position. We appreciate the
   sacrifices made by represented employees to aid our
  restructuring effort.
   This was the latest example of how so many of our
  constituents – employees,
   dealers, suppliers, lenders, Daimler and Cerberus have
  stepped up during
   this critical period to help ensure our viability.
  
   With the guidance of the U.S. Treasury, we also
  continue to work with our
   lenders to establish a level of debt that would be
  serviceable under the
   proposed Fiat alliance.  The agreement of all
  lenders continues to be a
   critical factor in our ability to meet government
  requirements and as such,
   remains our focus in the successful completion of our
  restructuring
   efforts.
  
  
   On March 30, the U.S. Treasury announced that all
  Chrysler constituents
   would need to make significant concessions and that
  our company needed to
   conclude a strategic alliance with Fiat as a
  requirement of our government
   loans. In an extraordinary month of the Chrysler
  family pulling together –
   and with the assistance of the U.S. government as well
  as the Canadian
   federal and Ontario provincial governments – we have
  made great strides
   toward an alliance with Fiat. If successfully
  completed, this alliance will
   help sustain our business and will help bring exciting
  new products to our
   showrooms, supporting our mission to deliver the cars
  and trucks customers
   want to buy, will enjoy driving and will want to buy
  again.
  
   Thank you again for your tireless efforts during this
  extraordinary time,
   and your dedication to ensuring Chrysler’s future
  success.
  
   Bob
  
  
  
   Thanks,
  
   Tom Hargrave
  
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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Mountain Man
jabba wrote:
 we are in for more of the same flim flam as always

Where do you get your smarts? - you are exactly correct.
However, it might be nice to start seeing new cars priced at the $10k
level - if that is what the 128 Fiat would be.  This whole thing of
keeping high paying jobs and healthcare and financial institutions is
flim flam.  I mean, lower wages, lower prices, let the wealthy suck
sand.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Gary Hurst
there was once a radio repairman in california who got into building
amplifiers and guitars.  he wasn't a musician, but he was in constant
consultation with them.  when a musician broke one of his products, he did
an autopsy and fixed the weakness, returning to the product to the musician
with the instructions to see if he can figure out how to break it now.

this was american quality and it was the best in the world

in the mid sixties, the big corporate interests came by with a seven figure
offer and the radio repairman took the loot.  the corporation eliminated or
marginalized all the guys who built this quality company and brought in
exectutives from Ford to run the show.

all kinds of brilliant ideas from these executives.  for example, if a
circuit sounds great but one that sounds like utter crap is $2 cheaper to
make, you replace the former with the latter.  if the right part costs 12
cents, but one that can be rigged to sort of work only costs 10 cents, you
replace the former with the latter.  and why have any quality control when
you can let your dealers sort all that out instead?

so the martinis and bonuses flowed as a great american insitution was
reduced to trash.

my question is why do i still want these guys around?  let them die
already.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comwrote:

 jabba wrote:
  we are in for more of the same flim flam as always

 Where do you get your smarts? - you are exactly correct.
 However, it might be nice to start seeing new cars priced at the $10k
 level - if that is what the 128 Fiat would be.  This whole thing of
 keeping high paying jobs and healthcare and financial institutions is
 flim flam.  I mean, lower wages, lower prices, let the wealthy suck
 sand.
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Loren Faeth
Kinda like Harley davidson after AMF bought them, only that product 
was crap before, and AMF made it worse.


At 12:08 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:

there was once a radio repairman in california who got into building
amplifiers and guitars.  he wasn't a musician, but he was in constant
consultation with them.  when a musician broke one of his products, he did
an autopsy and fixed the weakness, returning to the product to the musician
with the instructions to see if he can figure out how to break it now.

this was american quality and it was the best in the world

in the mid sixties, the big corporate interests came by with a seven figure
offer and the radio repairman took the loot.  the corporation eliminated or
marginalized all the guys who built this quality company and brought in
exectutives from Ford to run the show.

all kinds of brilliant ideas from these executives.  for example, if a
circuit sounds great but one that sounds like utter crap is $2 cheaper to
make, you replace the former with the latter.  if the right part costs 12
cents, but one that can be rigged to sort of work only costs 10 cents, you
replace the former with the latter.  and why have any quality control when
you can let your dealers sort all that out instead?

so the martinis and bonuses flowed as a great american insitution was
reduced to trash.

my question is why do i still want these guys around?  let them die
already.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comwrote:

 jabba wrote:
  we are in for more of the same flim flam as always

 Where do you get your smarts? - you are exactly correct.
 However, it might be nice to start seeing new cars priced at the $10k
 level - if that is what the 128 Fiat would be.  This whole thing of
 keeping high paying jobs and healthcare and financial institutions is
 flim flam.  I mean, lower wages, lower prices, let the wealthy suck
 sand.
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Mountain Man
Loren wrote:
 Kinda like Harley davidson after AMF bought them, only that product was crap
 before, and AMF made it worse.

They aren't AMF still - are they?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Mitch Haley

Loren Faeth wrote:
Kinda like Harley davidson after AMF bought them, only that product was 
crap before, and AMF made it worse.


What was worse in your opinion, the twins, or the Aermaccis?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Rick Knoble

--
From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:55 PM


They aren't AMF still - are they?
mao


Nope.

On February 26, 1981, a group of thirteen senior Harley-Davidson executives, 
led by Vaughn Beals, signed a letter of intent to purchase the company from 
AMF. Settled by June 16, 1981, the executives celebrated with a ride from 
York to Milwaukee. 1981 production: 41,586 motorcycles.



1986 Harley-Davidson returned to public ownership by offering two million 
shares of common stock and a concurrent offering of $70 million principal 
amounts of subordinated notes due 1996.


http://www.members.shaw.ca/jhammerharleydavidsonmuseum/Harley%20Davidson%20Time%20Line.htm

I am sure Pools can fill in any details you may desire

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT




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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread LWB250

Probably.  The wife joined H-D in 1988 and were still enjoying the fruits of 
those early stock options

Poos, not Pools

--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 9:39 PM
 --
 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:55 PM
 
  They aren't AMF still - are they?
  mao
 
 Nope.
 
 On February 26, 1981, a group of thirteen senior
 Harley-Davidson executives, led by Vaughn Beals, signed a
 letter of intent to purchase the company from AMF. Settled
 by June 16, 1981, the executives celebrated with a ride from
 York to Milwaukee. 1981 production: 41,586 motorcycles.
 
 
 1986 Harley-Davidson returned to public ownership by
 offering two million shares of common stock and a concurrent
 offering of $70 million principal amounts of subordinated
 notes due 1996.
 
 http://www.members.shaw.ca/jhammerharleydavidsonmuseum/Harley%20Davidson%20Time%20Line.htm
 
 I am sure Pools can fill in any details you may desire
 
 Rick Knoble
 '85 300 CD
 '87 190 DT
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Rick Knoble

Poos, not Pools


Sorry, typo. Autocorrect at its best (worst).

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Re: [MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-30 Thread Loren Faeth
the made in USA twins.  The italian 250s were ok, but probably not 
more than ok.  Most people who had the 250s abused them from what I 
could see.  In the 70s, every gaggle of harleys on the road had a 
trailer following to drag all the breakdowns home.


At 08:01 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:

Loren Faeth wrote:
Kinda like Harley davidson after AMF bought them, only that product 
was crap before, and AMF made it worse.


What was worse in your opinion, the twins, or the Aermaccis?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] More News from Chrysler

2009-04-28 Thread Tom Hargrave
Dear Employees, 

In keeping with our commitment to ongoing communications during this
critical time for our company, I am pleased to announce a resolution of
Daimler’s remaining 19.9 percent share of Chrysler Holding LLC. 

*   Chrysler, Daimler AG and the U.S. Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp.
(PBGC) have signed an agreement under which Daimler’s remaining percent
share of Chrysler will be redeemed, and Daimler will forgive repayment of
previous loans extended to Chrysler 
*   This agreement facilitates our proposed alliance with Fiat and
represents another step on our road to meeting U.S. government requirements
by the April 30 deadline 
*   Daimler will pay $600 million into Chrysler’s pension plans over the
next three years with the first $200 million payment being made on the date
of the execution of definitive agreements, as well as $200 million in each
of 2010 and 2011. These payments will help secure future pension payments to
retirees


We continue to remain focused on completing these and all other transactions
needed to qualify for ongoing financial support from both the U.S. and
Canadian governments. As always, we are committed to preserving Chrysler and
the jobs associated with its future success. 

Please be assured that we will continue to communicate new information as it
happens during this important week for our company. In the meantime, thank
you again for your continued support and dedication during these stressful
times. 

Bob  

 

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[MBZ] More news from Chrysler

2009-04-27 Thread Tom Hargrave
Dear Employees, 

As speculation and media attention during this challenging time for Chrysler
increases, we understand that frequent communications is critical to help
maintain a clear understanding of the facts of our situation. As we work
diligently to finalize our alliance with Fiat and restructure our business
by the government’s April 30 deadline, I want to provide you a daily update
on our progress, to the maximum extent possible. 

Here is a summary of recent developments: 

We are pleased that we have reached a new labor agreement with the
CAW.  Over the weekend, the agreement was ratified by 87% of CAW workers,
and we would like to thank our employees for their support. 

The CAW agreement was a critical condition for the governments of
Canada and the Province of Ontario to certify our restructuring plan and
provide an additional loan to Chrysler. We expect to meet all requirements
to qualify for this assistance. 

We are also pleased that we have reached a tentative agreement with
the leadership of the UAW. This provisional agreement provides the framework
needed to ensure manufacturing competitiveness and helps to meet the
guidelines set forth by the U. S. Treasury Department.   

The details will be released following the completion of the UAW
ratification process. 

Daimler AG has previously announced its intention to divest its
ownership share in Chrysler.  Cerberus Capital Management and Daimler are
working through this process, and we are confident that this will be
resolved.   

Let me assure you that your entire leadership team is totally focused on
completing the necessary transactions and qualifying for the appropriate
financial support of the U.S. and Canadian governments.  We are pleased with
the progress made with both the CAW and the UAW, and as we work with the
other constituents, we will continue to keep you updated.   

We appreciate your continued dedication and the support you’ve shown during
these demanding times.  The emails of encouragement that you have sent us
are especially appreciated. Know that as we begin this very important week,
our number one priority is to preserve Chrysler and the livelihood of the
thousands of people who depend on its success. 

Thank you for all you have done and continue to do as we work together to
revitalize this great company and set it on a successful path. 

Bob  

 

 

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