Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-07 Thread clay monroe
I never made it above 3958 feet with Gump, so higher altitude driving is out of my area. Being able to row the gears did allow for very good throttle positioning within the power band so you could climb without needing to lay down a Bondsian amount of sight obscuring fog or letting loose an

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-07 Thread Tim C
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Jan 2013 22:05:40 -0600 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: The earlier W115s have vacuum governors -- if you don't floor the pedal, it will regulate for proper fuel for altitude. I believe the NA auto

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-07 Thread Fmiser
Brian Toscano wrote: NA engines lose 4% of power for every 1000 ft above sea. In Fort Collins you'd be down 20%. Turbo/super charged engines aren't affected as much - maybe 10% total loss even at 10,000 ft. After the turbo spools up. I drove a W123 turbo to the top of Pike's Peak at over

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-07 Thread Fmiser
David Bruckmann wrote: The ADA was introduced with the 617.912 in the W123. It was also used on the 4 cylinder OM616. My W123s with OM616 engines all have ADAs. The turbo OM617.95 engines got the ALDA. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-06 Thread dseretakis
When I drove my 220D cross country in 2003, it had a really hard time on grades up high in Colorado. 30mph in the right lane belching out black smoke getting passed by semis. Still kind of fun. A little adventure:) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Rick Knoble

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-06 Thread Craig
On Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:29:03 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: When I drove my 220D cross country in 2003, it had a really hard time on grades up high in Colorado. 30mph in the right lane belching out black smoke getting passed by semis. You should have backed off the throttle -- you would

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-06 Thread dseretakis
On my next X country trip I'll keep that in mind:) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:29:03 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: When I drove my 220D cross country in 2003, it had a really hard time on grades up high in

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-06 Thread David Bruckmann
Nope. My '76 300D (617.910) has a manual adjustment knob on the injection pump. Four settings based on altitude. The ADA was introduced with the 617.912 in the W123. Either way, aside from reducing smoke the adjustment/ADA cannot make up for the lowered oxygen density at higher alts. D.

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-06 Thread Brian Toscano
NA engines lose 4% of power for every 1000 ft above sea. In Fort Collins you'd be down 20%. Turbo/super charged engines aren't affected as much - maybe 10% total loss even at 10,000 ft. On Sunday, January 6, 2013, David Bruckmann wrote: Nope. My '76 300D (617.910) has a manual adjustment knob

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-06 Thread Dieselhead
I agree with Mr Bruckmann on this. I drove my NA 200D from sealevel to 4000 ft frequently with little problem. Every time I drove a NA Diesel MB into higher altitudes, the performance was bad and so was the smoke. even at 7000 ft, the NA (non ADA) diesels were bad. If I could not find or

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-06 Thread OK Don
What David said - I don't recall the '70 220D having the altitude adjustment, and thought it was to cool deal when I got the '76 300D. The '81 240D had the ADA - auto adjustment. On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:40 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Nope. My '76 300D (617.910)

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-06 Thread Peter Frederick
The earlier W115s have vacuum governors -- if you don't floor the pedal, it will regulate for proper fuel for altitude. However, full throttle overrides the governor. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-06 Thread Craig
On Sun, 6 Jan 2013 22:05:40 -0600 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: The earlier W115s have vacuum governors -- if you don't floor the pedal, it will regulate for proper fuel for altitude. I don't know what arrangement the '72 220D/8 had, but one had to pay attention to throttle

[MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-05 Thread Kevin Kraly
I really want to get a W115 Diesel. Up here in Colorado, there aren't many W123's around, let alone W115's. How would a NA Diesel run up here at 5000FT altitude? The '77 240D was quite slow even at sea level, nothing else with which to compare it to know if it was running as it should.

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-05 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jan 5, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Kevin Kraly kevinpadd...@gmail.com wrote: How would a NA Diesel run up here at 5000FT altitude? It should run just fine. I *think* Naturally Aspirated (NA) Mercedes have barometric compensation on the injection pumps, so it shouldn't matter. NA pumps have ADA as

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-05 Thread Craig
On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 23:45:32 -0600 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jan 5, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Kevin Kraly kevinpadd...@gmail.com wrote: How would a NA Diesel run up here at 5000FT altitude? They run just fine. I bought our '72 220D/8 in Colorado Springs (6200') and used in later

Re: [MBZ] NA Diesels in higher altitude was Re: Rejuvenating Long Parked Cars

2013-01-05 Thread Jim Cathey
How would a NA Diesel run up here at 5000FT altitude? Maybe a bit puny? My recollection is that a NA diesel (Ford PU) is a bit overwhelmed in the Denver area. It should run just fine. I *think* Naturally Aspirated (NA) Mercedes have barometric compensation on the injection pumps, so it