Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
Tom Hargrave wrote: I've been nursing a leaky 1987 300SDL head along for almost 2 years now with an assortment of head gasket plugging products. I can say in my case that they work but with one side effect. They also tend to partially plug the radiator. This means that I can't drive the car during the hottest months because the temperature tends to rise. They also tend to plug up heater cores. David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
David Brodbeck wrote: They also tend to plug up heater cores. And you should see what they can do for a monovalve! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
Doesn't do thermostats any good either. I can tell you from experience on an '88 GMC Jimmy S15 2.8l if the thermostat plugs the coolant can vent through the overflow bottle... Not pretty. My '81 300TD came to me with that stuff in it, plugged 2 thermostats before I got it all flushed out. It takes ALOT of flushing to get all that crud out. -Curt Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:11:04 -0500 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed David Brodbeck wrote: They also tend to plug up heater cores. And you should see what they can do for a monovalve! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Mar 14 15:08:32 2006 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.89]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FJB8R-0001vK-TQ for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:08:32 + Received: from mac.com (smtpin04-en2 [10.13.10.149]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k2EF8MTY019013; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (ip68-2-210-120.ph.ph.cox.net [68.2.210.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin04/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k2EF8K3O015637; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:08:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:08:19 -0700 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] Frappr Picture Upload. X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:08:32 - David, From the Benzbunch map, scroll down just below the pictures that are scrolling right to left and you will find Add Photos.. Click on that, enter your name and attach your photo, then click on Upload (or something like that) Should work Let me know if it doesn't Chuck Benbunch administrator PS. And I'm curious When a topic changes, why can't we change the Subject: of the post
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
Hi Dennis, Oil in the intake manifold plumbing is basically normal on that engine, as long as oil consumption is normal. It's either from the turbo seals or excess crankcase vapors, but it's really not something to lose sleep over. My car has this even with a new head valve seals, so it's definitely not related to valve guides. :-) -Dave M. -- Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:23:41 -0800 From: Woodlandtaylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket Dave, Do you know anything about the head gasket on the six banger 3.0 liter gas engine? I have one with great compression runs fine but oil gets into the inlet manifold and I'm not convinced its all valve guide wear. Dennis T
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
Woodlandtaylors wrote: Dave, Do you know anything about the head gasket on the six banger 3.0 liter gas engine? I have one with great compression runs fine but oil gets into the inlet manifold and I'm not convinced its all valve guide wear. Valve guides in the M103 engine are always suspect - especially the early ones. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
You will no doubt require an RR of the headgasket--it's the only reliable solution. I recently pulled the original head/headgasket @ 211k. The original headgasket was completely toast in several areas, and the revised units are vastly superior in every way imaginable. On 3/12/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vacation nixed, oh well. I tracked down where the 87 300TD is loosing coolant from - the head gasket right rear corner (if facing the car). About 1 cup/week for my wife's very short trips around town. About 2 weeks ago I took it for about a 50 mile trip (more than my wife drives per week), taking it up to 112 mph and lost almost no coolant. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (210k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
ANy opinion on the glass bead stuff? I don't know about glass beads, but my engine rebuild shop (think generator) swears by stuff called Irontite. I think the KW stuff I got is similar. Mostly sodium silicate, all non-water substances have to be well flushed out of the engine before use. It seeps into the leak areas and hardens up. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
Do you have a link to anyone who sells the stuff on line? Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket ANy opinion on the glass bead stuff? I don't know about glass beads, but my engine rebuild shop (think generator) swears by stuff called Irontite. I think the KW stuff I got is similar. Mostly sodium silicate, all non-water substances have to be well flushed out of the engine before use. It seeps into the leak areas and hardens up. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
I've been nursing a leaky 1987 300SDL head along for almost 2 years now with an assortment of head gasket plugging products. I can say in my case that they work but with one side effect. They also tend to partially plug the radiator. This means that I can't drive the car during the hottest months because the temperature tends to rise. But as long as the temperature remains under 90 degrees, everything works great. I guess I need to have the head pulled but with over 70,000 miles on temorary solutions and a fleet of cars to drive, it's hard to justify spending $2600 or more for a head labor. I'll eventually get it fix'd, maybe. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket Anyone else care to chime in on this suggestion? Marshall, any thoughts on putting stuff in the coolant - or does this go on the outside, like some sort of epoxy? I think it is the glass beaded stuff that does in the coolant. Wonder if using water wettter (which I do) exacerbates this problem...it could as it breaks down surface tension...water leakier...? Thanks, Chris Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glass bead head gasket sealer sounds like the fix for you...Available at most parts stores and I have used it many times for minor head gasket issues with good results. Mike - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket Vacation nixed, oh well. I tracked down where the 87 300TD is loosing coolant from - the head gasket right rear corner (if facing the car). About 1 cup/week for my wife's very short trips around town. About 2 weeks ago I took it for about a 50 mile trip (more than my wife drives per week), taking it up to 112 mph and lost almost no coolant. SO, it is almost certainly getting out at start up and warm up. Once hot, it seems to seal up. 1) Since this is not a forever car for me...can I safely let this go and just add a cup of G-05/water every week? 2) I would not dream of using any kind of radiator stop leak unless there is one known to be safe for our cars and some people had experience with it. Any ideas? Thanks, Chris Christopher McCann wrote:Off on my trip. Bad weather in the mountains right now will probably cut out every scenic stop on the way there...maybe in a week it will clear up and I can still take the return scenic trip. see y'all on the 20th. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
Do you have a link to anyone who sells the stuff on line? No, the engine place sells the Irontite, and the can of KW I have (but didn't use) I bought half-price at the local liquidator's. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
Jim Cathey wrote: Do you have a link to anyone who sells the stuff on line? No, the engine place sells the Irontite, and the can of KW I have (but didn't use) I bought half-price at the local liquidator's. -- Jim Anybody ever use it on a diesel?? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
Yes, the revised headgasket is vastly superior. From what I've observed, keeping the old headgasket in place when it's leaking or not uniformly flat MAY actually damage the head itself (see deck hammering photo http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/MB%20Repairs/OM603%20Head%20Repair/ ). Of course, if you're going to remove the head, you may as well replace it with a new #22 version anyway (~$1650) YMMV On 3/13/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: revised heds are vastly superior (#17 and #19)...but are you saying the new gaskets are superior? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (211k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
Discussed this with my Indy. He says he SERIOUSLY doubts it's the head gasket, but rather a heater hose or heater switch that is leaking. Well, that would be great, but I don't think so. He will take a look at it next week. Will keep y'all posted. That's what I love about my '85 617 - that engine had all the bugs worked out AGES ago. My early 603...not the case. Oh well, learning...with expense. Chris Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, the revised headgasket is vastly superior. From what I've observed, keeping the old headgasket in place when it's leaking or not uniformly flat MAY actually damage the head itself (see deck hammering photo http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/MB%20Repairs/OM603%20Head%20Repair/ ). Of course, if you're going to remove the head, you may as well replace it with a new #22 version anyway (~$1650) YMMV On 3/13/06, Christopher McCann wrote: revised heds are vastly superior (#17 and #19)...but are you saying the new gaskets are superior? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (211k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 13 18:15:03 2006 Received: from web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.69]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FIrZN-0005oH-Fm for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:15:02 + Received: (qmail 87788 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2006 18:14:56 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UbtD4Xel4w492JV3aK9iJ3uisqo0mlgX13uYWfKF/vg+ZTkjN4WYJ5/7pUyFkmgtwpbJKCfpLr7AtzzN2HuDgwwD3EtKqYh8wBdWLdzBcT8qGEPWFwwLja8MTDGvXfNahpywmtBilNWVFPT3a4GvEzs3T/tIlQe+BAgBfe6OPs8= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [67.52.19.222] by web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:14:56 PST Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:14:56 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: [MBZ] need a PDF...steaky never works for me! X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:15:03 - I think I need: 72-360 - Removing and installation of gas pressure spring on tail gate But I'm not sure if that is the correct procedure. My very mechanically inclined friend (Charlie - 240D and tons-o-MOPAR cars) and I are going to replace both struts on the rear hatch door. SO, could someone PLEASE e-mail me the official instructions on how to do this? Struts ordered. Charlie has all the tools - torx stuff, etc. Thank you VERY much! Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 13 18:19:19 2006 Received: from web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.82]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FIrdX-0006HV-B0 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:19:19 + Received: (qmail 43260 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2006 18:19:15 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com;
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
NAPA was where I found it. Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket Do you have a link to anyone who sells the stuff on line? No, the engine place sells the Irontite, and the can of KW I have (but didn't use) I bought half-price at the local liquidator's. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
I hope y'all are right. I lucked out on the brake torsion bar...two in a row would be great! Thanks, Chris (trying not to get hopes up...preparing to part with $2600) Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Discussed this with my Indy. He says he SERIOUSLY doubts it's the head gasket, but rather a heater hose or heater switch that is leaking. Well, that would be great, but I don't think so. He will take a look at it next week. Will keep y'all posted. I agree with your Indy. That doesn't mean it COULDN'T be the head gasket or head, but that's not how they usually fail. The NEW gaskets are FAR superior to the old ones. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 13 23:29:52 2006 Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.69]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FIwU4-0004A8-5L for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:29:52 + DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=hUuMlWn1JnK69RBs+spBbkEFaFTe8rVc3iBa/fqiYsLRcRuyNmeJwozi271HoPf8; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [65.110.128.59] (helo=[192.168.2.74]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FIwU0-00051D-RW for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:29:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:29:46 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: b3baf86f04a51c2f0f36c4a2948c83129ef193a6bfc3dd48786387e2a5f7c7876400847ecf363d22eb99cf5c6dcb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.110.128.59 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] vin cut keys X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:29:52 - On Mar 13, 2006, at 6:06 PM, B Dike wrote: The heads on the latest batch of VIN keys are molded from recycled chewing tobacco. The lavishly priced VIN key we purchased a few scant months ago is already expelling the shank from the head. You guys are rough on these keys. If you twist the key from the end you stand a better chance of twisting it off, so choke up on it and turn it with the stronger part where the tee is inserted into the plastic. I'm also thinking that these keys are removed and re-inserted each time the car is started. Something I never do, mine are always in the ignition, where I can find them. Not taking the pressure off the steering lock offers way too much resistance on the key and associated parts of the lock too. I also see complaints about the price of keys. How much should they cost? They're worth a fortune under the right circumstances. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
Just wanted to say sorry to hear about your discovery and your trip. Wish I had some help to offer. Brian On 3/12/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vacation nixed, oh well. I tracked down where the 87 300TD is loosing coolant from - the head gasket right rear corner (if facing the car). About 1 cup/week for my wife's very short trips around town. About 2 weeks ago I took it for about a 50 mile trip (more than my wife drives per week), taking it up to 112 mph and lost almost no coolant. SO, it is almost certainly getting out at start up and warm up. Once hot, it seems to seal up. 1) Since this is not a forever car for me...can I safely let this go and just add a cup of G-05/water every week? 2) I would not dream of using any kind of radiator stop leak unless there is one known to be safe for our cars and some people had experience with it. Any ideas? Thanks, Chris Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Off on my trip. Bad weather in the mountains right now will probably cut out every scenic stop on the way there...maybe in a week it will clear up and I can still take the return scenic trip. see y'all on the 20th. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
Thanks for your commiseration, Brian. Life goes on. At least the head is not CRACKED (as far as I can tell). Chris Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to say sorry to hear about your discovery and your trip. Wish I had some help to offer. Brian On 3/12/06, Christopher McCann wrote: Vacation nixed, oh well. I tracked down where the 87 300TD is loosing coolant from - the head gasket right rear corner (if facing the car). About 1 cup/week for my wife's very short trips around town. About 2 weeks ago I took it for about a 50 mile trip (more than my wife drives per week), taking it up to 112 mph and lost almost no coolant. SO, it is almost certainly getting out at start up and warm up. Once hot, it seems to seal up. 1) Since this is not a forever car for me...can I safely let this go and just add a cup of G-05/water every week? 2) I would not dream of using any kind of radiator stop leak unless there is one known to be safe for our cars and some people had experience with it. Any ideas? Thanks, Chris Christopher McCann wrote:Off on my trip. Bad weather in the mountains right now will probably cut out every scenic stop on the way there...maybe in a week it will clear up and I can still take the return scenic trip. see y'all on the 20th. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Mar 12 18:29:23 2006 Received: from solanne.parasun.net ([204.174.16.15]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FIVJZ-0005LK-LO for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:29:23 + Received: from [24.39.222.124] (helo=yoursz6x6sefxo) by solanne.parasun.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FIVJF-0001zP-QW for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:28:54 -0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:28:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
How about trying the old - loosen and re-torque the head bolts trick? Could it hurt anything? I tracked down where the 87 300TD is loosing coolant from - the head gasket right rear corner (if facing the car). About 1 cup/week for my wife's very short trips around town. About 2 weeks ago I took it for about a 50 mile trip (more than my wife drives per week), taking it up to 112 mph and lost almost no coolant. SO, it is almost certainly getting out at start up and warm up. Once hot, it seems to seal up. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
How about trying the old - loosen and re-torque the head bolts trick? Could it hurt anything? I tried that with my BMW (gasp, sacrilege!) that I owned years ago. BIG MISTAKE. If anything, I would check the torque with an accurate torque wrench. More than likely it is time for a head gasket, or worse. Did it get overheated? SWMBO may have overheated it and *forgot* to tell you Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
The loosen retorque tricke worked OK on my old VW diesel, of course that only has 10 head bolts total, lol. And it only helped the issue - didn't cure it entirely. Anyway, the OM603 head bolts (al 27 of them, IIRC) are a torque-to-yield type. Loosen about 3/4 to 1 turn in reverse pattern, torque to 15Nm through pattern, then torque to 35Nm, turn 90 degrees, wait 10 minutes, turn a final 90 degrees. I've never heard of this being done on an OM603 but if you really REALLY don't want to pull the head, it may not hurt to attempt it. FYI, the head gaskets were revised 5 times, one of the revisions was to provide a better seal at the coolant passage behind cyl #6, where your leak is. I'd pull the head replace the gasket. Be prepared for unexpected, unpleasant surprises (read: cracks) if the head is a #14. :-) -Dave M. -- Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:33:00 -0600 From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket How about trying the old - loosen and re-torque the head bolts trick? Could it hurt anything? I tried that with my BMW (gasp, sacrilege!) that I owned years ago. BIG MISTAKE. If anything, I would check the torque with an accurate torque wrench. More than likely it is time for a head gasket, or worse. Did it get overheated? SWMBO may have overheated it and *forgot* to tell you Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
Dave, Do you know anything about the head gasket on the six banger 3.0 liter gas engine? I have one with great compression runs fine but oil gets into the inlet manifold and I'm not convinced its all valve guide wear. Dennis T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave M. Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/2006
Re: [MBZ] NON voyage! AND leaking coolant @ head gasket
OK Don wrote: How about trying the old - loosen and re-torque the head bolts trick? Could it hurt anything? BIG mistake with OM60x engines. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
