Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-05 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 15:29:20 -0500 WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > Heat. The magnetic field rising and falling across the transformer > coils creates heat. Yes, that is true. It's called hysteresis loss. > Mag field is there in regular outlet, too, but it's not as strong

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On December 3, 2015 at 8:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Why? If there is nothing plugged into them, there’s no load. No different > than if you left your charger plugged into the wall all of the time. If it’s > not charging, there’s no load. > > And

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Phantom, zombie, vampires, one of those things... These have switching power supplies. I checked one when I installed it. Negligible, if that. Dan > On Dec 4, 2015, at 3:25 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > > >> On December 3, 2015 at 8:53 PM Dan Penoff via

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
want to get to camp in the spring to find only charcoal. -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 3:25 AM Subject:

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
And transformers draw about half of full load power all the time, They are nowhere near that bad! Now, perhaps cheap small transformer based wall warts are that bad, but _transformers_, under no load, do not lose 50%! Core saturation is loss, if the core is big enough (and most are) and built

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
s List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 8:36 PM Subject: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory I have a few of these installed around the house, one behind my bedside table, another in the kitchen on the side countertop.  They’r

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
el <astrasfo...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory Why isn't that true for ANY 110V AC outlet? On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Craig via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 20:53:56 -0500 Dan Penof

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
rom: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory Because a USB port is

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Power _conversion_ is never 100% efficient. In most of these types of power supplies, the converted power is always available, whether you're using it or not. That's why I like things with true power switches. There is essentially no magnetic field around an unused household outlet, because

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 20:53:56 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > No different than if you left your charger plugged into the wall all of > the time. Yes. > If it’s not charging, there’s no load. No, there is a load on the AC keeping it ready for use. Craig

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory Why isn't that true for ANY 110V AC outlet? On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Craig via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 20:53:56 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > &g

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Why isn't that true for ANY 110V AC outlet? On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 20:53:56 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > > No different than if you left your charger plugged into the wall all

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
s Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: "Dan Penoff" <d...@penoff.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory Phantom, zombie, vampires, one of those things... These have switching power supplies. I checked one when I in

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
nz.com> Cc: "Mitch Haley" <mi...@mitchellhaley.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory On December 3, 2015 at 8:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Why? If there is nothing plugged into them, there’s no load

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > To: "Mitch Haley" <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>; "Mercedes Discussion List" > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: "Dan Penoff" <d...@penof

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-03 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
$9 is a great price. I put a bunch in my addition, they were like $25 at Lowes. The usb puts out 2A in mine. I have some set up as power points for arduino-controlled under cabinet lights (rgb LED modules) that I need to get set up. Should be plenty of juice to run a string of them and the

[MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have a few of these installed around the house, one behind my bedside table, another in the kitchen on the side countertop. They’re quite convenient, and save people from having to run around and find chargers.

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-03 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Clever, but aren't those going to be a constant (albeit small) electrical load when not in use? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On December 3, 2015 8:36:34 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >I have a few of these installed around the house, one

Re: [MBZ] Nice USB Accessory

2015-12-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Why? If there is nothing plugged into them, there’s no load. No different than if you left your charger plugged into the wall all of the time. If it’s not charging, there’s no load. And please don’t anyone start about “vampire loads”. Dan > On Dec 3, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Max Dillon via