On 1/15/2012 5:57 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Then you're not going to like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Benz
Yep, Mercedes made in china!!!
Even the sainted W123 was briefly built in China:
http://www.carnewschina.com/2010/05/08/spotted-faw-mercedes-benz-200/
I actually found
On 14/01/2012 9:52 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
What group of sour people here. Isn't this a Mercedes list? Wouldn't that
imply that most are generally in favor of their cars? All that seems to go
on here is bashing of the new stuff, despite nobody having any real
experience with it. Perhaps
they update it later on? The Scout ended in 1980.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:08:26 +1030
From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au
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Then you're not going to like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Benz
Yep, Mercedes made in china!!!
The reality is, this is how modern car companies stay competitive. If
Daimler didn't do things like this, we'd see them on a decline. Instead,
China is replacing the US for the largest
Ok. But still by a Mercedes factory. Nissan engines in a Mercedes is
unacceptable. Don't tell me you're OK with it?
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On Jan 15, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
Then you're not going to like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Benz
Yep,
Yes, I'm ok with it, because I understand what the deal means.
Jaime
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote:
Ok. But still by a Mercedes factory. Nissan engines in a Mercedes is
unacceptable. Don't tell me you're OK with it?
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Well that's great that you're open minded. I'm not when it comes to these
things. A serious manufacturer makes it's own engines. Mercedes has gone down a
declining path of no return. It's really too bad.
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On Jan 15, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com
On Jan 15, 2012, at 5:57 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
Thats because they're modern cars. Do they all have the technology,
safety, and feel of a Toyota? Certainly not. A Mercedes is still a
Mercedes,
Well put.
Rick
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I give up. I'm obviously of a different mindset. While don't you all bask in
your Nissan powered Mercedes pieces of $hit.
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On Jan 15, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Jan 15, 2012, at 5:57 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
Thats
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Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:59:57
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I give up. I'm obviously of a different mindset. While don't you all bask
Then you're not going to like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Benz
Yep, Mercedes made in china!!!
The reality is, this is how modern car companies stay competitive. If
Daimler didn't do things like this, we'd see them on a decline. Instead,
China is replacing the US for the largest
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Well that's great
Exactly! In fact, very little was/is actually made by Mercedes. Perhaps
some sheet metal work, but even that is made by some suppliers at this
point I'd expect. They design and specify the parts, then put it all
together. But, a large amount of the parts still do come from Germany.
Especially
for you, especially when its a low end product and doing so
allows you to focus on higher end product.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 06:02:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C
True but the engine of a serious automaker's car should be made by the
automaker itself. Mercedes is not hurting and it is fully capable of making
perfectly capable engines. So why Nissan? Cost cutting of course.
Low production niche vehicles made by small scale manufacturers can get away
Times are a bit tough for car manufacturers and they are in business to
make money. Engine development costs money, big money. So they share
technology/costs to develop new engines, big deal.
As far as I am concerned, if it leads to a better engine than it's all
good. Or would you rather that
Exactly, and BMW is not putting japcrap engines in their cars. So Mercedes will
not be kicking anyone's ass with a Nissan powerplant.
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On Jan 16, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
BMW are kicking their behinds when it comes to engines and Daimler
Ok Dimitri. Now you are going beyond ridiculous with your argument. Take
a look at Nissan's performance models not available in the US such as the
Skyline. Then look at the miles a well maintained Nissan engine of almost
any sort is known for running. No, they are not MBZ diesels that last
Yes but BMW supply engines for Rolls Royce, which of course would mean
that modern RR's are not real RR's.
However they seem to be selling well and making money, so I would guess
that the people who have the dosh to buy an RR, do not particularly care
who supplies the engines.
Hendrik
who
Naive are those who think that mating a Mercedes chassis with a Nissan engine
is a wise move. Let's not compare a beautifully smooth I-6 BMW engine with
anything Nissan will ever make. Even if the Nissan engine is good the image is
awful. The thought of a Nissan engine polluting a Mercedes
I'm not condoning RR for not building their own engines but at least the engine
is German. Nobody can really talk down German engineering. The Japanese are
followers not leaders when it comes to anything automotive. Mercedes has always
been an automotive pioneer and as such they have nothing to
Dimitri wrote:
True but the engine of a serious automaker's car should be made by the
automaker itself. Mercedes is not hurting and it is fully capable of making
perfectly capable engines. So why Nissan? Cost cutting of course.
Low production niche vehicles made by small scale manufacturers
I take it you also want MB to make their own sensors, ECU's, and even
discreet semiconductors, FR-4 board substrate, the copper for those
circuit boards, wire, and insulation as well?
Maybe have them formulate, produce, and mix their own paint and
pigments, grow their own cows for the leather,
Walt wrote:
Where does it end?
All of USA citizens sitting on the veranda sipping sweet tea, smoking
cubans, all day, every day.
We don't give a hoot about where the tea is made, how it is sweetened,
whether we ever get up from our seat, or if we ever see or hear
another thing from another human
Nope. I never said that. The ENGINE should be built by Mercedes.
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On Jan 15, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote:
I take it you also want MB to make their own sensors, ECU's, and even
discreet semiconductors, FR-4 board substrate, the copper for those
On Jan 15, 2012, at 8:28 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
what's the name of that luxury Jag leather?
Connolly.
http://connollyusa.com/
Rick
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But the sensors and ECU are the reason the engine runs! They're an
integral part of the system that makes that engine function, so they
MUST be made by MB. Sorry, bit of sarcasm, but hopefully you see my
point, that the engine itself is more than just the hunk of metal that
gets machined.
I just
Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes:
Ok Dimitri. Now you are going beyond ridiculous with your argument. Take
a look at Nissan's performance models not available in the US such as the
Skyline.
I saw a Skyline here about two weeks ago. Wondered what it was, as it
was quite
\ I am
purchasing an automobile, and the heart of an automobile, to me, is a
reliable engine.
I call an engine swap a heart transplant, so I agree with the analogy.
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Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes:
Naive are those who think that mating a Mercedes chassis with a Nissan
engine is a wise move. Let's not compare a beautifully smooth I-6 BMW
engine with anything Nissan will ever make. Even if the Nissan engine
is good the image is awful. The
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes:
I'm not condoning RR for not building their own engines but at least
the engine is German. Nobody can really talk down German
engineering. The Japanese are followers not leaders when it comes to
anything automotive. Mercedes has always been an
It is built by Nissan in a Nissan plant. It is therefore a Nissan engine. Why
doesn't Mercedes send those drawings and tolerances to one of their own
foundries and machine shops and build it themselves? It's got to be a cost
issue. And if it's not a cost issue then what is it- mercedes doesn't
Does it matter, if the end product is the same?
It may be that they need the production capability at the MB plants
for a different engine, or that the Nissan plant already has tooling
that can be used that would otherwise cost MB a significant sum of
money. They may have sold some of the old
Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com writes:
Does it matter, if the end product is the same?
It may be that they need the production capability at the MB plants
for a different engine, or that the Nissan plant already has tooling
that can be used that would otherwise cost MB a significant sum
Both companies might be testing the waters working together, for some
larger project down the road, that none of us know about yet. I don't
think the Smart car is anything great, but it's still a market Mercedes
wants in on, and will probably be a growing market in the coming years.
Nissan have
Except the Smart Car has a Mitsubishi engine!
And, Roger Penske has pulled the pin on it as distributor.
John
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:08 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:
Both companies might be testing the waters working together, for some
larger project down the road, that none of us
Didn't say the Smart car had a Nissan engine, I said the Smart car isn't so
great, but it's a market Mercedes would like a slice of, and Nissan are
well established in it.
We've had the Smart car in Canada, for a number of years longer than the
US, as far as I understand. They share adjoining
I think you got that backwards... Mercedes engines in a Nissan. Its their
engine, produced in another factory.
These types of deals between manufactures are pretty common. Its really
expensive to develop and produce engines (and just about everything else
too), so they share the costs for some
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Reminds me of the Chrysler bought Mercedes! which implied Chrysler
quality in a mercedes! which of course, was not true.
Of course not. Chrysler never made wiring harnesses biodegradable as if they
expected you to stick the car in a landfill.
Seriously, is Nissan
I really hope I got it backwards but unfortunately this quote from the article
seems to be saying that the engines are manufactured by Nissan to power
Mercedes and Infiniti automobiles.
Nissan’s Tennessee plant will begin producing four-cylinder engines for use in
Mercedes-Benz and Infiniti
I think you missed the rest of the article which states that they're
producing Mercedes Benz engines!
With a design comes production specification, and quality control
requirements. Theres a lot more to it than just a block and head.
Jaime
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Dimitri Seretakis
The wording is very confusing. I truly hope that you're interpretation is the
correct one. The last thing I want is jap crap engines in our cars.
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On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you missed the rest of the article which states
Say what you want, but those Jap crap engines are pretty darned good. Every
one I have ever dealt with was trouble free and ran close to 200k without any
major work.
Tough to say that about any MB engine short of the 617.
Dan
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On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Dimitri Seretakis
What group of sour people here. Isn't this a Mercedes list? Wouldn't that
imply that most are generally in favor of their cars? All that seems to go
on here is bashing of the new stuff, despite nobody having any real
experience with it. Perhaps Kleb can change the name to benz bashers'?
Dan,
Really how about the 60x? Have had several with close to 400k. have had 103 104
119 with well over 200k on them
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On Jan 14, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
Say what you want, but those Jap crap engines are pretty darned good. Every
one I have ever
617 is a great engine but the 603 for example are worlds ahead of it. Newest I
have is the 112 and 113 engines and so far seem pretty good to me. I really
want to get about an 05 or 06 cdi
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On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
What group
Dan, if you think the 617 was the last engine Mercedes made that could
make
it to 200k without major work, I think you need to get the behind the
wheel
of something developed after the 1980s.
My particular problem is that there's been nothing since the 126 (maybe
129, someday) that I'd _want_
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Say what you want, but those Jap crap engines are pretty darned good. Every
one I have ever dealt with was trouble free and ran
They may be good, but the heart of a German car needs to be German not Jap crap
Japanese.
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On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
Say what you want, but those Jap crap engines are pretty darned good. Every
one I have ever dealt with was trouble
Honestly the article is vague. They refer to engines being built in Nissan's
plant for Mercedes and Infiniti. This suggests to me that the engines are
Nissan. Later in the article they refer to Mercedes Benz engines. I don't know
where the truth lies. Perhaps MBUSA can clarify for us. I'm a
I think I would have preferred i6 as well but the v6 seems ok to me so far
And I think they did it to allow to fit in more models
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On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
Honestly the article is vague. They refer to engines being built in
I probably should have prefaced my comment by stating that my direct experience
with MB engines ends with the 4.2l V8 and the 617 diesel.
However, I do have a fair amount of experience with late model Nissan and Mazda
engines, and I have found them to be well built and very reliable.
Dan not a
BMW still uses I-6 in their cars. They seem to fit just fine in their
applications. Unfortunately, I hear that they may be going to V6 as well.
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On Jan 14, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
I think I would have preferred i6 as well but the v6
I think the OM616 was also licensed to other manufacturers (India, maybe
an Asian one also) who needed a sturdy diesel engine.
Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com writes:
I think you got that backwards... Mercedes engines in a Nissan. Its their
engine, produced in another factory.
These
Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes:
I probably should have prefaced my comment by stating that my direct
experience with MB engines ends with the 4.2l V8 and the 617 diesel.
However, I do have a fair amount of experience with late model Nissan
and Mazda engines, and I have found them to be
Nissan has produced some very good engines, I used to own a 3.3L turbo
Diesel (SD33T) and it was a real goer, especially seeing that it was
pulling a LWB Patrol along.
Also their V6 engine won a lot of awards and is considered one of the
worlds best engines, I'd be quite happy to whack a Nissan
I decided to ignore the appearance of the W124 when I moved on from the
W115, W123 and W126 chassis. It doesn't look so bad from inside, and feels
better driving it than a W123., more nimble than a W126 and about as
stable. The 129 is a two seat body on a 124 chassis ---
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at
Found this article - that comfrims the rumor:
Nissan to produce Merc four-pots in US engine plant
The latest development of Daimler-Benz’s collaboration with the
Renault-Nissan Alliance is a deal that sees the Nissan powertrain assembly
plant in Decherd, Tennessee help build Merc’s four-cylinder
That's a definite pisser.
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On Jan 14, 2012, at 8:25 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
Found this article - that comfrims the rumor:
Nissan to produce Merc four-pots in US engine plant
The latest development of Daimler-Benz’s collaboration with the
Renault-Nissan Alliance is
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes:
That's a definite pisser.
So it really bothers you that Nissan are manufacturing the engine
designed by MB? It's really the design where the engineering happens,
the manufacturing is only a matter of who's CNC machines do the work.
And they are
Yes. It REALLY bothers me. I don't care if Mercedes designs it. There is a very
good chance that there will be many shared parts between the engines made for
Nissan and those made for mercedes. Bottom line is that it's a Nissan made
engine and it's going into a Mercedes - utterly disgusting.
So how do you feel about the entire C class vehicle being made in
Alabama? No Germans are building the cars, and no Japanese will be be
building the engines. Just good-ol Tennessee and Alabama boys.
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes:
Yes. It REALLY bothers me. I don't care if
What about the Nippondenso AC compressors that MB uses? Do you like Akebono
brake pads?
Welcome to globalization.
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Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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I'm not thrilled about it but at least it is being built by a Mercedes Benz
factory, not a Nissan factory. And BTW all the vehicles currently coming out of
the Alabama plant have their drivetrains built in Germany and not in the US by
a Japcrap plant. That makes a huge difference. I was never
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Nissan has produced some very good engines, I used to own a 3.3L turbo
Diesel (SD33T) and it was a real goer, especially seeing
Like I said before, Japanese parts are OK here and there but not for major
components like the drivetrain which are the heart of the vehicle. If the heart
of the Mercedes is a Nissan then what do you have?
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On Jan 14, 2012, at 10:15 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Is this true? If so, MB really has their priorities screwed up.
http://wot.motortrend.com/made-in-tennessee-future-mercedesinfiniti-four-cylinder-to-be-produced-in-north-america-155329.html#
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