Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

b/c there is no cord that matches the one in my car.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:08 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > > > Andrew wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Block heater was definitely buggered due to frayed cord.
>
> > > Curley wrote:
> > >
> > > And HOW MANY TIMES WERE YOU TOLD TO CHANGE THE CORD
>
> > Andrew replied:
> >
> > Don't be a schmuck - the cord isn't sold separately.
>
> Ah!  But it _is_ sold separately.  Or was.
>
> > > > New block heater has been installed without incident.
>
> So "your" mechanic replaced the entire heater because the cord was
> bad?
>
> Whatever
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Andrew wrote:
> > > 
> > > Block heater was definitely buggered due to frayed cord.

> > Curley wrote:
> >
> > And HOW MANY TIMES WERE YOU TOLD TO CHANGE THE CORD

> Andrew replied:
> 
> Don't be a schmuck - the cord isn't sold separately.

Ah!  But it _is_ sold separately.  Or was.

> > > New block heater has been installed without incident.

So "your" mechanic replaced the entire heater because the cord was
bad?

Whatever

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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

FAKE NEWS

--FT


On 1/5/18 11:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Where do you get these wild allegations??  Is that a lame attempt at humor
or are you serious?Six weeks??  more like 3 days.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


But you did have the luxury of leaving the dead car in the driveway for 6
weeks?



Re: [MBZ] W123 block heater has died

Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 block heater has died
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 22:04:27 -0600
To: Mercedes Discussion List 

Pull off the cord and check it with ohmmeter. Most of the time the cord is
bad or gets pulled off the heater. You can buy a new cord. Much easier than
changing the heater and antifreeze.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes November 25, 2017 at 9:47 PM

The OEM block heater on my 1983 300TD no longer works. Is it worth
diagnosing/repairing? Or simpler to just replace it? Are they a Mercedes
part? Anyone BTDT?



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 

January 4, 2018 at 11:09 PM
Well, I didn't have the luxury of shopping around with a dead car sitting
in my driveway. I tried all the places I can think of and nothing was
available quicker than Autohaus. I even tried the classic center, and all
they had was the entire kit.


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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Where do you get these wild allegations??  Is that a lame attempt at humor
or are you serious?Six weeks??  more like 3 days.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> But you did have the luxury of leaving the dead car in the driveway for 6
> weeks?
>
>
>
> Re: [MBZ] W123 block heater has died
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 block heater has died
> From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 22:04:27 -0600
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>
> Pull off the cord and check it with ohmmeter. Most of the time the cord is
> bad or gets pulled off the heater. You can buy a new cord. Much easier than
> changing the heater and antifreeze.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes November 25, 2017 at 9:47 PM
>
> The OEM block heater on my 1983 300TD no longer works. Is it worth
> diagnosing/repairing? Or simpler to just replace it? Are they a Mercedes
> part? Anyone BTDT?
>
>
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> January 4, 2018 at 11:09 PM
>> Well, I didn't have the luxury of shopping around with a dead car sitting
>> in my driveway. I tried all the places I can think of and nothing was
>> available quicker than Autohaus. I even tried the classic center, and all
>> they had was the entire kit.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Ah OK thanks!  I have heard of armature but did not know that is what 
that bit is called.  My learnings for today!


--FT


On 1/5/18 11:10 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:


The thing in the GP relay that closes the contacts


The thing that moves, but is not itself a moving contact, is called 
the armature.  All electromechanical relays, except reed-switch 
relays, have them.  They're what makes the clicking sound.


-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> The thing in the GP relay that closes the contacts


The thing that moves, but is not itself a moving contact, is called the
armature.  All electromechanical relays, except reed-switch relays, have
them.  They're what makes the clicking sound.

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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

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> On January 4, 2018 at 8:41 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I remember him and Haime going round and round.

And at the time, I believe Haime WAS one of those 'smart MBZ engineers'. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The thing in the GP relay that closes the contacts

--FT


On 1/4/18 5:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Do you mean the contacts or the armature?

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 4:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


 get out and push on the relay switch (what do you call the part
that the solenoid snaps closed?)
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I replaced the cord on my '83 240D separately also. I even related the story 
earlier when telling Andrew to just replace the cord.
-Curt
 

On Thursday, January 4, 2018, 11:50:05 PM EST, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Andrew.

On my 1985 300TD the cord is separate.

I bought a replacement from Rusty as a spare.

YMMV.

Fred.


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From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew Strasfogel 
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Sent: 04 January 2018 23:31
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

Don't be a schmuck - the cord isn't sold separately.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> January 4, 2018 at 10:24 PM
>> . Block heater
>> was definitely buggered due to frayed cord.
>>
>> Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Rick wrote:

> I suspect the cables are universal, but I am not 100 percent
> sure. This one looks very familiar. 

There are two different heater ends used on OM6ix.  I don't
remember the difference, or which car needed which one - but I
have worked with two different types.  NOT interchangeable.

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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

But you did have the luxury of leaving the dead car in the driveway for 
6 weeks?




Re: [MBZ] W123 block heater has died

Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 block heater has died
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 22:04:27 -0600
To: Mercedes Discussion List 

Pull off the cord and check it with ohmmeter. Most of the time the cord 
is bad or gets pulled off the heater. You can buy a new cord. Much 
easier than changing the heater and antifreeze.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes November 25, 2017 at 9:47 PM

The OEM block heater on my 1983 300TD no longer works. Is it worth 
diagnosing/repairing? Or simpler to just replace it? Are they a Mercedes 
part? Anyone BTDT?





Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
January 4, 2018 at 11:09 PM
Well, I didn't have the luxury of shopping around with a dead car sitting
in my driveway. I tried all the places I can think of and nothing was
available quicker than Autohaus. I even tried the classic center, and all
they had was the entire kit.


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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Well, I didn't have the luxury of shopping around with a dead car sitting
in my driveway. I tried all the places I can think of and nothing was
available quicker than Autohaus. I even tried the classic center, and all
they had was the entire kit.

On Jan 5, 2018 12:06 AM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Andrew sez:
>
> >‎Don't be a schmuck - the cord isn't sold >separately.
>
> Yeah. ‎Okay.
> Dutch boy is out of stock.
>
> https://mercedessource.com/store/diesel-engine-block-
> heater-replacement-cord
>
> You can buy new oe whole thing for a few bucks more.
>
> ‎https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-block-heater-kit-q629
>
> I suspect the cables are universal, but I am not 100 percent sure. This
> one looks very familiar.
>
> ‎https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Tractor-Equipment-
> Engine-Heater/dp/B00G0ANDU8
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Andrew sez:

>‎Don't be a schmuck - the cord isn't sold >separately.

Yeah. ‎Okay. 
Dutch boy is out of stock. 

https://mercedessource.com/store/diesel-engine-block-heater-replacement-cord

You can buy new oe whole thing for a few bucks more.

‎https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-block-heater-kit-q629

I suspect the cables are universal, but I am not 100 percent sure. This one 
looks very familiar. 

‎https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Tractor-Equipment-Engine-Heater/dp/B00G0ANDU8

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Andy:  Read this post:   NOTICE THE DATE!

And, this was not the first post telling you the card was most likely bad!

Re: [MBZ] W123 block heater has died

Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 block heater has died
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 22:04:27 -0600
To: Mercedes Discussion List 

Pull off the cord and check it with ohmmeter. Most of the time the cord 
is bad or gets pulled off the heater. You can buy a new cord. Much 
easier than changing the heater and antifreeze.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes November 25, 2017 at 9:47 PM

The OEM block heater on my 1983 300TD no longer works. Is it worth 
diagnosing/repairing? Or simpler to just replace it? Are they a Mercedes 
part? Anyone BTDT?


YOU HAVE SPENT 6 WEEKS WHINING ON THE LIST ABOUT THIS.  YOU HAVE REFUSED 
TO TAKE THE ADVISE YOU ASKED FOR.


Now, you tell me who's the schmuck!!!


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
January 4, 2018 at 10:31 PM
Don't be a schmuck - the cord isn't sold separately.



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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Andrew.

On my 1985 300TD the cord is separate.

I bought a replacement from Rusty as a spare.

YMMV.

Fred.


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Sent: 04 January 2018 23:31
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

Don't be a schmuck - the cord isn't sold separately.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

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> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> January 4, 2018 at 10:24 PM
>> . Block heater
>> was definitely buggered due to frayed cord.
>>
>> Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Don't be a schmuck - the cord isn't sold separately.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
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>> January 4, 2018 at 10:24 PM
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>> So should we elect Andrew as spelling & grammar officer?
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
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>> On Jan 4, 2018 10:21 PM, "Jim Cathey via Mercedes" > >
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>> Can anyone spell consistently correctly?
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>> January 4, 2018 at 1:57 PM
>> How can anybody so consistantly reply to the wrong post?
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>> On Thursday, January 4, 2018, 2:52:40 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
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>> How can anyone buy a .50 fuse for .30?
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
January 4, 2018 at 10:24 PM
. Block heater
was definitely buggered due to frayed cord.

Andrew


And HOW MANY TIMES WERE YOU TOLD TO CHANGE THE CORD
































































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January 4, 2018 at 9:29 PM
So should we elect Andrew as spelling & grammar officer?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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Not concistunteley.

-- Jim
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Can anyone spell consistently correctly?

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
January 4, 2018 at 1:57 PM
How can anybody so consistantly reply to the wrong post?


On Thursday, January 4, 2018, 2:52:40 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:


How can anyone buy a .50 fuse for .30?

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Car was towed to the shop this afternoon.  My tech called to say that all
the glow plugs tested OK - not sure about the gp relay yet.  Block heater
was definitely buggered due to frayed cord.  New block heater has been
installed without incident.   Waiting on delivery of the reman Bosch
starter from FCP Euro to be installed as soon as it gets here (tomorrow
hopefully).

Autohaus AZ was outstanding - I paid for second day air shipping but the
block heater kit arrived in one day!

Dan - turns out that the tie rods you sold me were needed and are now being
installed on the car.  Thanks!

Andrew



































































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> So should we elect Andrew as spelling & grammar officer?
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> Dwight Giles Jr.
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So should we elect Andrew as spelling & grammar officer?

Dwight Giles Jr.
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

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>
> Can anyone spell consistently correctly?


Not concistunteley.

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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, in that, for most cases, I agree with Herr Doktor.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
January 4, 2018 at 7:36 PM

He signed up to talk about technical details of diesels.

Most others were there to talk about technical modifications to diesels.
I can't remember for sure, but it might have even been the official 
focus of the list.


Marshall's answer to "how do I do this to my MBZ" was invariably "you 
don't do that to your MBZ, it's already running the way a team of 
engineers smarter than you designed it to run".


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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I remember him and Haime going round and round.


On 1/4/2018 7:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On January 4, 2018 at 6:30 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:


It seems like he got banned from diesel tech.

He signed up to talk about technical details of diesels.

Most others were there to talk about technical modifications to diesels.
I can't remember for sure, but it might have even been the official focus of 
the list.

Marshall's answer to "how do I do this to my MBZ" was invariably "you don't do that 
to your MBZ, it's already running the way a team of engineers smarter than you designed it to 
run".

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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 4, 2018 at 6:30 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It seems like he got banned from diesel tech.

He signed up to talk about technical details of diesels. 

Most others were there to talk about technical modifications to diesels. 
I can't remember for sure, but it might have even been the official focus of 
the list. 

Marshall's answer to "how do I do this to my MBZ" was invariably "you don't do 
that to your MBZ, it's already running the way a team of engineers smarter than 
you designed it to run".

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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

This, I'd like to see Andrew try this tomorrow a.m.  I'll bet you've got a 
bamboo chop stick that'd be prefect.
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On January 4, 2018 5:20:57 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>If you take the cover off you can use a stick to close the relay and
>get 
>some juice to the GPs if the relay is getting juice. Turn on the key, 
>get out and push on the relay switch (what do you call the part that
>the 
>solenoid snaps closed?) and wait 30sec or whatever then get in and
>crank it.
>
>--FT
>
>
>On 1/4/18 3:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have spare gp fuses but not a relay.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> He was full of advice that didn’t make sense. How did he explain
>that one?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:24 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 Andrew,

 Marshall used to say that the pre-glow relays had a very short
>shelf life
 compared to their service life, so he advised that keeping one on
>the
>>> shelf
 as a spare was not a good idea.  I wouldn't be too surprised if
>your
>>> spare
 is bad, especially if your spare is a used relay.

 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It seems like he got banned from diesel tech.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> He was full of advice that didn’t make sense. How did he explain that one?
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:24 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Andrew,
>> 
>> Marshall used to say that the pre-glow relays had a very short shelf life
>> compared to their service life, so he advised that keeping one on the shelf
>> as a spare was not a good idea.  I wouldn't be too surprised if your spare
>> is bad, especially if your spare is a used relay.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Do you mean the contacts or the armature?

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 4:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  get out and push on the relay switch (what do you call the part
> that the solenoid snaps closed?)
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

If you take the cover off you can use a stick to close the relay and get 
some juice to the GPs if the relay is getting juice. Turn on the key, 
get out and push on the relay switch (what do you call the part that the 
solenoid snaps closed?) and wait 30sec or whatever then get in and crank it.


--FT


On 1/4/18 3:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I have spare gp fuses but not a relay.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


He was full of advice that didn’t make sense. How did he explain that one?



On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:24 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Andrew,

Marshall used to say that the pre-glow relays had a very short shelf life
compared to their service life, so he advised that keeping one on the

shelf

as a spare was not a good idea.  I wouldn't be too surprised if your

spare

is bad, especially if your spare is a used relay.

-
Max
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yes, that was how I saw it.  He was fortunate enough to not have a Klima 
fail.  He had a later 124.



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
January 4, 2018 at 3:45 PM


snip

He has been gone for a while and I don't recall whether he tended to 
drive beaters or not. Maybe he just never had a vehicle old enough to 
use up the KLIMA?


RB

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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 04/01/2018 3:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

snip

Remember, Herr Doktor said KLIMA relays NEVER fail!  Every vehicle 
i've ever had with a Klima, had at LEAST one KLIMA relay fail.


snip

He has been gone for a while and I don't recall whether he tended to 
drive beaters or not. Maybe he just never had a vehicle old enough to 
use up the KLIMA?


RB

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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Nobody is right all the time...
-Curt
 

On Thursday, January 4, 2018, 4:34:52 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I see no correlation between this advice and reality.  Other than if the 
contacts corrode due to prolonged high-drippy humid-didity, or as 
previously postulated, the capacitors give out after 20-30 years on a 
shelf...

Remember, Herr Doktor said KLIMA relays NEVER fail!  Every vehicle i've 
ever had with a Klima, had at LEAST one KLIMA relay fail.

While Herr Doktor was right about several things, I can think of at 
least 3 that he was wrong about.
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> January 4, 2018 at 3:25 PM
> Jaime,
>
> Marshall didn't explain it that I can remember, but I suppose his data /
> experience lead to the advice. I suspect the Jim's idea about the
> electrolytic capacitors going bad is on the right track.
>
> Do you think this was bad advice?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I see no correlation between this advice and reality.  Other than if the 
contacts corrode due to prolonged high-drippy humid-didity, or as 
previously postulated, the capacitors give out after 20-30 years on a 
shelf...


Remember, Herr Doktor said KLIMA relays NEVER fail!  Every vehicle i've 
ever had with a Klima, had at LEAST one KLIMA relay fail.


While Herr Doktor was right about several things, I can think of at 
least 3 that he was wrong about.

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 4, 2018 at 3:25 PM
Jaime,

Marshall didn't explain it that I can remember, but I suppose his data /
experience lead to the advice. I suspect the Jim's idea about the
electrolytic capacitors going bad is on the right track.

Do you think this was bad advice?

-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Jaime,

Marshall didn't explain it that I can remember, but I suppose his data /
experience lead to the advice.  I suspect the Jim's idea about the
electrolytic capacitors going bad is on the right track.

Do you think this was bad advice?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> He was full of advice that didn’t make sense. How did he explain that one?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:24 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Marshall used to say that the pre-glow relays had a very short shelf life
> > compared to their service life, so he advised that keeping one on the
> shelf
> > as a spare was not a good idea.  I wouldn't be too surprised if your
> spare
> > is bad, especially if your spare is a used relay.
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I have spare gp fuses but not a relay.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> He was full of advice that didn’t make sense. How did he explain that one?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:24 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Marshall used to say that the pre-glow relays had a very short shelf life
> > compared to their service life, so he advised that keeping one on the
> shelf
> > as a spare was not a good idea.  I wouldn't be too surprised if your
> spare
> > is bad, especially if your spare is a used relay.
> >
> > -
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

He was full of advice that didn’t make sense. How did he explain that one?



On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:24 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Marshall used to say that the pre-glow relays had a very short shelf life
> compared to their service life, so he advised that keeping one on the shelf
> as a spare was not a good idea.  I wouldn't be too surprised if your spare
> is bad, especially if your spare is a used relay.
>
> -
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Can anyone spell consistently correctly?

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> How can anybody so consistantly reply to the wrong post?
>
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2018, 2:52:40 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
> How can anyone buy a .50 fuse for .30?
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes the equivalent of a job jar
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dwight, et al.
> > >
> > > I have a roundtuit machine. Her name is Joanne!
> > >
> > > Works pretty well, too.
> > >
> > > Fred.
> > >
> > >
> > > Fred Moir.
> > > Lynn MA.
> > > Diesel preferred.
> > >
> > >
> > > ____
> > > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Rick
> Knoble
> > > via Mercedes 
> > > Sent: 04 January 2018 10:56
> > > To: Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> > > Cc: Rick Knoble
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay
> > >
> > > >>You might also need a roundtuit.
> > >
> > > ‎>I have a tool box full of those.
> > >
> > > Send me a few. I really struggle sometimes, getting a roundtuit.  Kaleb
> > > probably needs a couple roundtuits too.
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

How can anybody so consistantly reply to the wrong post?
 

On Thursday, January 4, 2018, 2:52:40 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 How can anyone buy a .50 fuse for .30?

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes the equivalent of a job jar
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Dwight, et al.
> >
> > I have a roundtuit machine. Her name is Joanne!
> >
> > Works pretty well, too.
> >
> > Fred.
> >
> >
> > Fred Moir.
> > Lynn MA.
> > Diesel preferred.
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Rick Knoble
> > via Mercedes 
> > Sent: 04 January 2018 10:56
> > To: Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> > Cc: Rick Knoble
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay
> >
> > >>You might also need a roundtuit.
> >
> > ‎>I have a tool box full of those.
> >
> > Send me a few. I really struggle sometimes, getting a roundtuit.  Kaleb
> > probably needs a couple roundtuits too.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

How can anyone buy a .50 fuse for .30?

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes the equivalent of a job jar
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Dwight, et al.
> >
> > I have a roundtuit machine. Her name is Joanne!
> >
> > Works pretty well, too.
> >
> > Fred.
> >
> >
> > Fred Moir.
> > Lynn MA.
> > Diesel preferred.
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Rick Knoble
> > via Mercedes 
> > Sent: 04 January 2018 10:56
> > To: Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> > Cc: Rick Knoble
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay
> >
> > >>You might also need a roundtuit.
> >
> > ‎>I have a tool box full of those.
> >
> > Send me a few. I really struggle sometimes, getting a roundtuit.  Kaleb
> > probably needs a couple roundtuits too.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes the equivalent of a job jar

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Dwight, et al.
>
> I have a roundtuit machine. Her name is Joanne!
>
> Works pretty well, too.
>
> Fred.
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Rick Knoble
> via Mercedes 
> Sent: 04 January 2018 10:56
> To: Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> Cc: Rick Knoble
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay
>
> >>You might also need a roundtuit.
>
> ‎>I have a tool box full of those.
>
> Send me a few. I really struggle sometimes, getting a roundtuit.  Kaleb
> probably needs a couple roundtuits too.
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

There's little to nothing to go wrong in one of those relays due to
sitting, excepting maybe the electrolytic capacitors.  Those are easy and
cheap to replace.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dwight, et al.

I have a roundtuit machine. Her name is Joanne!

Works pretty well, too.

Fred.


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From: Mercedes  on behalf of Rick Knoble via 
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Sent: 04 January 2018 10:56
To: Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Cc: Rick Knoble
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

>>You might also need a roundtuit.

‎>I have a tool box full of those.

Send me a few. I really struggle sometimes, getting a roundtuit.  Kaleb 
probably needs a couple roundtuits too.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>>You might also need a roundtuit.

‎>I have a tool box full of those.

Send me a few. I really struggle sometimes, getting a roundtuit.  Kaleb 
probably needs a couple roundtuits too.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I have a tool box full of those.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 4, 2018 10:19 AM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:

You might also need a roundtuit.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> I might have both a blown fuse and bad gp relay.
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> You can (gingerly) touch a glow plug after glowing and feel if it is warm
>> (hot!) to see if they are getting juice. You can also put your voltmeter
>> on
>> the output and see if it the relay is closing and sending juice to the
>> plugs (or at least voltage) You can also take off the cover of the relay
>> box and watch the relay to see if it actually closes, and/or manually push
>> on it to close it if it doesn’t.
>>
>> The SD was acting like this, turned out at first it was the relay and
>> replacing it cured the no starting and then a year or two after that it
>> was
>> bad glow plugs.
>>
>> CHANGING YOUR FUSE is the first simple cheap fast easy thing to do.
>>
>> --R
>> Sent from iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 4:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>>
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't
>>> remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the same model
>>> car-- 1983 300td. Currently, I can't even jump start my car. The preglow
>>> ight glows and goes out, but it does not appear there is any ignition
>>>
>> when
>>
>>> cranking. Also, when I pre glow and wait 30 seconds after the light goes
>>> out there is no clicking noise. I am deducing that my glow plug relay has
>>> given out. I think I have a spare in the garage, so the simplest thing to
>>> do is to swap them out and see what happens. I apologize in advance if I
>>> offended anyone with this post.
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[MG via Mercedes]

You might also need a roundtuit.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I might have both a blown fuse and bad gp relay.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


You can (gingerly) touch a glow plug after glowing and feel if it is warm
(hot!) to see if they are getting juice. You can also put your voltmeter on
the output and see if it the relay is closing and sending juice to the
plugs (or at least voltage) You can also take off the cover of the relay
box and watch the relay to see if it actually closes, and/or manually push
on it to close it if it doesn’t.

The SD was acting like this, turned out at first it was the relay and
replacing it cured the no starting and then a year or two after that it was
bad glow plugs.

CHANGING YOUR FUSE is the first simple cheap fast easy thing to do.

--R
Sent from iPhone


On Jan 3, 2018, at 4:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't
remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the same model
car-- 1983 300td. Currently, I can't even jump start my car. The preglow
ight glows and goes out, but it does not appear there is any ignition

when

cranking. Also, when I pre glow and wait 30 seconds after the light goes
out there is no clicking noise. I am deducing that my glow plug relay has
given out. I think I have a spare in the garage, so the simplest thing to
do is to swap them out and see what happens. I apologize in advance if I
offended anyone with this post.
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Andrew,

Marshall used to say that the pre-glow relays had a very short shelf life
compared to their service life, so he advised that keeping one on the shelf
as a spare was not a good idea.  I wouldn't be too surprised if your spare
is bad, especially if your spare is a used relay.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

And a visual inspection isn't good enough.  Rempve the fuse to check it.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Penoff via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 6:00 PM
To: Mercedes List
Cc: Dan Penoff
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

Did you check the strip fuse for the GP relay?

-D


> On Jan 3, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 wrote:
> 
> Thanks. I can easily check these tomorrow.
> 
> On Jan 3, 2018 4:57 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> Leave the door open or turn on the dome light.
> What happens to the dome light when you turn the key to 'on' and leave 
> it there for a while?
> Take the strip fuse out of the relay. Does it crumble in your hand?
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

On my 240D's I had valves adjusted every fall. Herr Dr. Used to say that
every cold start was,a compression test. And I never had a block heater.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 3, 2018 11:38 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Andrew does not carry a spare fuse.  It costs 30 cents!
>
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> January 3, 2018 at 10:23 PM
>> I always carried a spare GP relay fuse in my 240D's in the winter.
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Andrew does not carry a spare fuse.  It costs 30 cents!


Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
January 3, 2018 at 10:23 PM
I always carried a spare GP relay fuse in my 240D's in the winter.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I always  carried a spare GP relay fuse in my 240D's in the winter.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 3, 2018 11:19 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Same symptom.  +12 V at the "HOT" side of the fuse, 0 volt at the GP.
>  HOWEVER, a bad fuse will give you 0 V at the other fuse terminal, unless
> it is bad the way a lot are, and will show 12  V at both terminals, but not
> pass enough juice to light the GPs.  THUS the advice from Herr DOKTOR to
> CHANGE the FUSE, or WE will MELT all 5 of your pistons!
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> January 3, 2018 at 10:11 PM
>> I might have both a blown fuse and bad gp relay.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Same symptom.  +12 V at the "HOT" side of the fuse, 0 volt at the GP.   
HOWEVER, a bad fuse will give you 0 V at the other fuse terminal, unless 
it is bad the way a lot are, and will show 12  V at both terminals, but 
not pass enough juice to light the GPs.  THUS the advice from Herr 
DOKTOR to CHANGE the FUSE, or WE will MELT all 5 of your pistons!



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
January 3, 2018 at 10:11 PM
I might have both a blown fuse and bad gp relay.


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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I might have both a blown fuse and bad gp relay.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You can (gingerly) touch a glow plug after glowing and feel if it is warm
> (hot!) to see if they are getting juice. You can also put your voltmeter on
> the output and see if it the relay is closing and sending juice to the
> plugs (or at least voltage) You can also take off the cover of the relay
> box and watch the relay to see if it actually closes, and/or manually push
> on it to close it if it doesn’t.
>
> The SD was acting like this, turned out at first it was the relay and
> replacing it cured the no starting and then a year or two after that it was
> bad glow plugs.
>
> CHANGING YOUR FUSE is the first simple cheap fast easy thing to do.
>
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Jan 3, 2018, at 4:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't
> > remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the same model
> > car-- 1983 300td. Currently, I can't even jump start my car. The preglow
> > ight glows and goes out, but it does not appear there is any ignition
> when
> > cranking. Also, when I pre glow and wait 30 seconds after the light goes
> > out there is no clicking noise. I am deducing that my glow plug relay has
> > given out. I think I have a spare in the garage, so the simplest thing to
> > do is to swap them out and see what happens. I apologize in advance if I
> > offended anyone with this post.
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The best way to test them is to pull them out, apply 12 volts then touch 
to your tongue to see if its hot.



On 1/3/2018 10:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

You can (gingerly) touch a glow plug after glowing and feel if it is warm 
(hot!) to see if they are getting juice. You can also put your voltmeter on the 
output and see if it the relay is closing and sending juice to the plugs (or at 
least voltage) You can also take off the cover of the relay box and watch the 
relay to see if it actually closes, and/or manually push on it to close it if 
it doesn’t.

The SD was acting like this, turned out at first it was the relay and replacing 
it cured the no starting and then a year or two after that it was bad glow 
plugs.

CHANGING YOUR FUSE is the first simple cheap fast easy thing to do.

--R
Sent from iPhone


On Jan 3, 2018, at 4:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't
remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the same model
car-- 1983 300td. Currently, I can't even jump start my car. The preglow
ight glows and goes out, but it does not appear there is any ignition when
cranking. Also, when I pre glow and wait 30 seconds after the light goes
out there is no clicking noise. I am deducing that my glow plug relay has
given out. I think I have a spare in the garage, so the simplest thing to
do is to swap them out and see what happens. I apologize in advance if I
offended anyone with this post.
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

You can (gingerly) touch a glow plug after glowing and feel if it is warm 
(hot!) to see if they are getting juice. You can also put your voltmeter on the 
output and see if it the relay is closing and sending juice to the plugs (or at 
least voltage) You can also take off the cover of the relay box and watch the 
relay to see if it actually closes, and/or manually push on it to close it if 
it doesn’t. 

The SD was acting like this, turned out at first it was the relay and replacing 
it cured the no starting and then a year or two after that it was bad glow 
plugs. 

CHANGING YOUR FUSE is the first simple cheap fast easy thing to do. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 4:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't
> remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the same model
> car-- 1983 300td. Currently, I can't even jump start my car. The preglow
> ight glows and goes out, but it does not appear there is any ignition when
> cranking. Also, when I pre glow and wait 30 seconds after the light goes
> out there is no clicking noise. I am deducing that my glow plug relay has
> given out. I think I have a spare in the garage, so the simplest thing to
> do is to swap them out and see what happens. I apologize in advance if I
> offended anyone with this post.
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's OK - I have five of them so one or two could melt without
consequence.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> your PISTONS will melt if you don't CHANGE your fuses.
>
>
> On 1/3/2018 9:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Tomorrow.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Did you CHANGE the FUSE?  (Herr Doktor Booth)
>>>
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>
 January 3, 2018 at 3:52 PM

 It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't
 remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the same
 model
 car-- 1983 300td. Currently, I can't even jump start my car. The preglow
 ight glows and goes out, but it does not appear there is any ignition
 when
 cranking. Also, when I pre glow and wait 30 seconds after the light goes
 out there is no clicking noise. I am deducing that my glow plug relay
 has
 given out. I think I have a spare in the garage, so the simplest thing
 to
 do is to swap them out and see what happens. I apologize in advance if I
 offended anyone with this post.

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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

your PISTONS will melt if you don't CHANGE your fuses.

On 1/3/2018 9:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Tomorrow.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Did you CHANGE the FUSE?  (Herr Doktor Booth)

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 

January 3, 2018 at 3:52 PM

It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't
remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the same model
car-- 1983 300td. Currently, I can't even jump start my car. The preglow
ight glows and goes out, but it does not appear there is any ignition when
cranking. Also, when I pre glow and wait 30 seconds after the light goes
out there is no clicking noise. I am deducing that my glow plug relay has
given out. I think I have a spare in the garage, so the simplest thing to
do is to swap them out and see what happens. I apologize in advance if I
offended anyone with this post.


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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Tomorrow.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Did you CHANGE the FUSE?  (Herr Doktor Booth)
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> January 3, 2018 at 3:52 PM
>>
>> It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't
>> remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the same model
>> car-- 1983 300td. Currently, I can't even jump start my car. The preglow
>> ight glows and goes out, but it does not appear there is any ignition when
>> cranking. Also, when I pre glow and wait 30 seconds after the light goes
>> out there is no clicking noise. I am deducing that my glow plug relay has
>> given out. I think I have a spare in the garage, so the simplest thing to
>> do is to swap them out and see what happens. I apologize in advance if I
>> offended anyone with this post.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Did you CHANGE the FUSE?  (Herr Doktor Booth)


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
January 3, 2018 at 3:52 PM
It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't
remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the same model
car-- 1983 300td. Currently, I can't even jump start my car. The preglow
ight glows and goes out, but it does not appear there is any ignition when
cranking. Also, when I pre glow and wait 30 seconds after the light goes
out there is no clicking noise. I am deducing that my glow plug relay has
given out. I think I have a spare in the garage, so the simplest thing to
do is to swap them out and see what happens. I apologize in advance if I
offended anyone with this post.


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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Did you check the strip fuse for the GP relay?

-D


> On Jan 3, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. I can easily check these tomorrow.
> 
> On Jan 3, 2018 4:57 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> Leave the door open or turn on the dome light.
> What happens to the dome light when you turn the key to 'on' and leave it
> there for a while?
> Take the strip fuse out of the relay. Does it crumble in your hand?
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks. I can easily check these tomorrow.

On Jan 3, 2018 4:57 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Leave the door open or turn on the dome light.
What happens to the dome light when you turn the key to 'on' and leave it
there for a while?
Take the strip fuse out of the relay. Does it crumble in your hand?

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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Just give it up and call Kaleb. He might give you $500 for the junker 
just because he likes you.


RB

On 03/01/2018 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't
remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the same model
car-- 1983 300td. Currently, I can't even jump start my car. The preglow
ight glows and goes out, but it does not appear there is any ignition when
cranking. Also, when I pre glow and wait 30 seconds after the light goes
out there is no clicking noise. I am deducing that my glow plug relay has
given out. I think I have a spare in the garage, so the simplest thing to
do is to swap them out and see what happens. I apologize in advance if I
offended anyone with this post.
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Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Leave the door open or turn on the dome light. 
What happens to the dome light when you turn the key to 'on' and leave it there 
for a while?
Take the strip fuse out of the relay. Does it crumble in your hand?

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[MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't
remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the same model
car-- 1983 300td. Currently, I can't even jump start my car. The preglow
ight glows and goes out, but it does not appear there is any ignition when
cranking. Also, when I pre glow and wait 30 seconds after the light goes
out there is no clicking noise. I am deducing that my glow plug relay has
given out. I think I have a spare in the garage, so the simplest thing to
do is to swap them out and see what happens. I apologize in advance if I
offended anyone with this post.
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