Re: [MBZ] OT: Custom flex brake lines
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: to the local NAPA, where there's a big sign saying Hydraulic Hose Repair While You Wait---I live out in the boonies, so this is tractor country. But they looked at me like I was nuts, saying We can't do anything with those crimped-on fittings; you have to buy a whole new line. You went to the wrong place. Here in town you go to House of Hose, and they make whatever you need. OK. Guess I'll go to a hydraulic specialty shop next time I'm in the city. There is one I pass all the time with a big sign that says Aeroquip Authorized Dealer, so I suppose they do custom lines for racers. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Custom flex brake lines
Yah they should do it for you. The hose I had remade was done by aeroquip guys. I suppose if you had cooler lines that had bad rubber and great steel, that they would do those too. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Mar 3, 2010, at 13:41, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: to the local NAPA, where there's a big sign saying Hydraulic Hose Repair While You Wait---I live out in the boonies, so this is tractor country. But they looked at me like I was nuts, saying We can't do anything with those crimped-on fittings; you have to buy a whole new line. You went to the wrong place. Here in town you go to House of Hose, and they make whatever you need. OK. Guess I'll go to a hydraulic specialty shop next time I'm in the city. There is one I pass all the time with a big sign that says Aeroquip Authorized Dealer, so I suppose they do custom lines for racers. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Custom flex brake lines
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I would be willing to cut the crimp connectors with a Dremel, pull off the hose, and replace it with a piece of any alcohol resistant reinforced hose and a couple of hose clamps. If the next hydraulic shop I try can't fix the line, I'll try that before I order a new one. I guess the worst that could happen is that it leaks, I lose some (but probably not all) pressure in the clutch system, and I have to pump the pedal constantly to maintain pressure on the way home---been there and done that before! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Custom flex brake lines
I need to replace the line that runs from the clutch master cylinder to the slave cylinder on one of my Saabs. This car uses brake fluid in the clutch hydraulics. Imagine a hard brake line with the flexible line to the caliper attached, and you'll get the general idea, although on this one the flex part is actually in the middle with hard lines on either side of it. At each end of the assembly as a whole the tubing is flared, with ordinary metric male fittings that connect to female fittings on the two hydraulic cylinders. The flex line in the middle was attached at the factory to the hard lines with crimp fittings like the ones on Mercedes A/C hoses. Here's the problem. There's a big leak in the flex line. I took it to the local NAPA, where there's a big sign saying Hydraulic Hose Repair While You Wait---I live out in the boonies, so this is tractor country. But they looked at me like I was nuts, saying We can't do anything with those crimped-on fittings; you have to buy a whole new line. When I asked if they knew of any other place I could get the line repaired rather than replaced, they said, You won't find anyone. It's a question of liability. If we repair a brake line and then you can't stop and get in an accident, you could sue us. Now, this strikes me as silly. After all, restorers of old cars for which parts are no longer made and builders of custom cars must often have to have custom brake lines built, both hard and soft. My thinking is that they should be able to: 1. Find on the shelf a pre-assembled flexible brake line (the one that goes from the hard line to the caliper) that is about the same length as the leaky flex portion in the line from my Saab, from any car that uses metric fittings. 2. Cut my hard line in two places, removing the leaky flex line and its fittings entirely. 3. Flare the cut ends and attach metric fittings that match those on the flex line from step 1. 4. Give me back the two halves of my old line with new fittings, and the new flex line, and let me screw the three together. That way I have a non-leaking line once again, they didn't put the line together so they aren't liable if it fails (they only gave me the parts), and everyone's happy. Of course I need to find a creative parts-counter guy to do this, and they seem to be rare birds these days. Workable? Good idea? Bad idea? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Custom flex brake lines
It is workable. You can also use compression fittings on the pipe to go to pipe thread, if you can find a piece of hose with female pipe thread on both ends. (think hydraulic hose) more likely to be in an industrial outlet than an automotive outlet. You hit on another source...restorers. Check out that one too. FLAPS don't cater to restorers. I need to replace the line that runs from the clutch master cylinder to the slave cylinder on one of my Saabs. This car uses brake fluid in the clutch hydraulics. Imagine a hard brake line with the flexible line to the caliper attached, and you'll get the general idea, although on this one the flex part is actually in the middle with hard lines on either side of it. At each end of the assembly as a whole the tubing is flared, with ordinary metric male fittings that connect to female fittings on the two hydraulic cylinders. The flex line in the middle was attached at the factory to the hard lines with crimp fittings like the ones on Mercedes A/C hoses. Here's the problem. There's a big leak in the flex line. I took it to the local NAPA, where there's a big sign saying Hydraulic Hose Repair While You Wait---I live out in the boonies, so this is tractor country. But they looked at me like I was nuts, saying We can't do anything with those crimped-on fittings; you have to buy a whole new line. When I asked if they knew of any other place I could get the line repaired rather than replaced, they said, You won't find anyone. It's a question of liability. If we repair a brake line and then you can't stop and get in an accident, you could sue us. Now, this strikes me as silly. After all, restorers of old cars for which parts are no longer made and builders of custom cars must often have to have custom brake lines built, both hard and soft. My thinking is that they should be able to: 1. Find on the shelf a pre-assembled flexible brake line (the one that goes from the hard line to the caliper) that is about the same length as the leaky flex portion in the line from my Saab, from any car that uses metric fittings. 2. Cut my hard line in two places, removing the leaky flex line and its fittings entirely. 3. Flare the cut ends and attach metric fittings that match those on the flex line from step 1. 4. Give me back the two halves of my old line with new fittings, and the new flex line, and let me screw the three together. That way I have a non-leaking line once again, they didn't put the line together so they aren't liable if it fails (they only gave me the parts), and everyone's happy. Of course I need to find a creative parts-counter guy to do this, and they seem to be rare birds these days. Workable? Good idea? Bad idea? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Custom flex brake lines
I would not hesitate to use a compression fitting on a clutch line. Compare to bake line the pressure is VERY LOW. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 1:33:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Custom flex brake lines It is workable. You can also use compression fittings on the pipe to go to pipe thread, if you can find a piece of hose with female pipe thread on both ends. (think hydraulic hose) more likely to be in an industrial outlet than an automotive outlet. You hit on another source...restorers. Check out that one too. FLAPS don't cater to restorers. I need to replace the line that runs from the clutch master cylinder to the slave cylinder on one of my Saabs. This car uses brake fluid in the clutch hydraulics. Imagine a hard brake line with the flexible line to the caliper attached, and you'll get the general idea, although on this one the flex part is actually in the middle with hard lines on either side of it. At each end of the assembly as a whole the tubing is flared, with ordinary metric male fittings that connect to female fittings on the two hydraulic cylinders. The flex line in the middle was attached at the factory to the hard lines with crimp fittings like the ones on Mercedes A/C hoses. Here's the problem. There's a big leak in the flex line. I took it to the local NAPA, where there's a big sign saying Hydraulic Hose Repair While You Wait---I live out in the boonies, so this is tractor country. But they looked at me like I was nuts, saying We can't do anything with those crimped-on fittings; you have to buy a whole new line. When I asked if they knew of any other place I could get the line repaired rather than replaced, they said, You won't find anyone. It's a question of liability. If we repair a brake line and then you can't stop and get in an accident, you could sue us. Now, this strikes me as silly. After all, restorers of old cars for which parts are no longer made and builders of custom cars must often have to have custom brake lines built, both hard and soft. My thinking is that they should be able to: 1. Find on the shelf a pre-assembled flexible brake line (the one that goes from the hard line to the caliper) that is about the same length as the leaky flex portion in the line from my Saab, from any car that uses metric fittings. 2. Cut my hard line in two places, removing the leaky flex line and its fittings entirely. 3. Flare the cut ends and attach metric fittings that match those on the flex line from step 1. 4. Give me back the two halves of my old line with new fittings, and the new flex line, and let me screw the three together. That way I have a non-leaking line once again, they didn't put the line together so they aren't liable if it fails (they only gave me the parts), and everyone's happy. Of course I need to find a creative parts-counter guy to do this, and they seem to be rare birds these days. Workable? Good idea? Bad idea? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Custom flex brake lines
You can also buy the flare tool at Sears and make your own - get some line to practice on before you work on your lines. Tricky part will be the flexible line with two male fittings. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of pm7...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Custom flex brake lines I would not hesitate to use a compression fitting on a clutch line. Compare to bake line the pressure is VERY LOW. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 1:33:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Custom flex brake lines It is workable. You can also use compression fittings on the pipe to go to pipe thread, if you can find a piece of hose with female pipe thread on both ends. (think hydraulic hose) more likely to be in an industrial outlet than an automotive outlet. You hit on another source...restorers. Check out that one too. FLAPS don't cater to restorers. I need to replace the line that runs from the clutch master cylinder to the slave cylinder on one of my Saabs. This car uses brake fluid in the clutch hydraulics. Imagine a hard brake line with the flexible line to the caliper attached, and you'll get the general idea, although on this one the flex part is actually in the middle with hard lines on either side of it. At each end of the assembly as a whole the tubing is flared, with ordinary metric male fittings that connect to female fittings on the two hydraulic cylinders. The flex line in the middle was attached at the factory to the hard lines with crimp fittings like the ones on Mercedes A/C hoses. Here's the problem. There's a big leak in the flex line. I took it to the local NAPA, where there's a big sign saying Hydraulic Hose Repair While You Wait---I live out in the boonies, so this is tractor country. But they looked at me like I was nuts, saying We can't do anything with those crimped-on fittings; you have to buy a whole new line. When I asked if they knew of any other place I could get the line repaired rather than replaced, they said, You won't find anyone. It's a question of liability. If we repair a brake line and then you can't stop and get in an accident, you could sue us. Now, this strikes me as silly. After all, restorers of old cars for which parts are no longer made and builders of custom cars must often have to have custom brake lines built, both hard and soft. My thinking is that they should be able to: 1. Find on the shelf a pre-assembled flexible brake line (the one that goes from the hard line to the caliper) that is about the same length as the leaky flex portion in the line from my Saab, from any car that uses metric fittings. 2. Cut my hard line in two places, removing the leaky flex line and its fittings entirely. 3. Flare the cut ends and attach metric fittings that match those on the flex line from step 1. 4. Give me back the two halves of my old line with new fittings, and the new flex line, and let me screw the three together. That way I have a non-leaking line once again, they didn't put the line together so they aren't liable if it fails (they only gave me the parts), and everyone's happy. Of course I need to find a creative parts-counter guy to do this, and they seem to be rare birds these days. Workable? Good idea? Bad idea? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Custom flex brake lines
pm7...@comcast.net wrote: I would not hesitate to use a compression fitting on a clutch line. Compare to bake line the pressure is VERY LOW. Good point. A Saab 99/900 slave cylinder is nearly 2 in diameter and I doubt the thrust is over 100lb. In fact, now that you mention it, I would be willing to cut the crimp connectors with a Dremel, pull off the hose, and replace it with a piece of any alcohol resistant reinforced hose and a couple of hose clamps. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Custom flex brake lines
Find out where the guys with hydraulic equipment go for hose rebuilds. Btdt, 91 jeep xj with bendix abs (integral hydraulic based boost) for the high pressure line from the abs pump. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Mar 2, 2010, at 13:23, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: I need to replace the line that runs from the clutch master cylinder to the slave cylinder on one of my Saabs. This car uses brake fluid in the clutch hydraulics. Imagine a hard brake line with the flexible line to the caliper attached, and you'll get the general idea, although on this one the flex part is actually in the middle with hard lines on either side of it. At each end of the assembly as a whole the tubing is flared, with ordinary metric male fittings that connect to female fittings on the two hydraulic cylinders. The flex line in the middle was attached at the factory to the hard lines with crimp fittings like the ones on Mercedes A/C hoses. Here's the problem. There's a big leak in the flex line. I took it to the local NAPA, where there's a big sign saying Hydraulic Hose Repair While You Wait---I live out in the boonies, so this is tractor country. But they looked at me like I was nuts, saying We can't do anything with those crimped-on fittings; you have to buy a whole new line. When I asked if they knew of any other place I could get the line repaired rather than replaced, they said, You won't find anyone. It's a question of liability. If we repair a brake line and then you can't stop and get in an accident, you could sue us. Now, this strikes me as silly. After all, restorers of old cars for which parts are no longer made and builders of custom cars must often have to have custom brake lines built, both hard and soft. My thinking is that they should be able to: 1. Find on the shelf a pre-assembled flexible brake line (the one that goes from the hard line to the caliper) that is about the same length as the leaky flex portion in the line from my Saab, from any car that uses metric fittings. 2. Cut my hard line in two places, removing the leaky flex line and its fittings entirely. 3. Flare the cut ends and attach metric fittings that match those on the flex line from step 1. 4. Give me back the two halves of my old line with new fittings, and the new flex line, and let me screw the three together. That way I have a non-leaking line once again, they didn't put the line together so they aren't liable if it fails (they only gave me the parts), and everyone's happy. Of course I need to find a creative parts-counter guy to do this, and they seem to be rare birds these days. Workable? Good idea? Bad idea? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Custom flex brake lines
to the local NAPA, where there's a big sign saying Hydraulic Hose Repair While You Wait---I live out in the boonies, so this is tractor country. But they looked at me like I was nuts, saying We can't do anything with those crimped-on fittings; you have to buy a whole new line. You went to the wrong place. Here in town you go to House of Hose, and they make whatever you need. Clutch line is relatively low pressure, there should be no question of liability. NAPA just didn't want to do it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
