Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
When you see unavailable, I think its best to call/email with the idea that everything is available regardless of what the website says. On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Rusty, I did check your site before I went to Rockauto, but the parts I wanted came up as unavailable. I believe I've eliminated the EGR valve as a culprit, though it looks pretty rough/corroded externally. If I disconnect the vacuum, the idle does not change; if I apply vacuum at idle the engine immediately stumbles and dies. I'll try loosening the mount bolts and sliding the engine around a little to see if I can get an improvement. Might try loosening all the bolts a bit and starting the engine, to see if it will settle where it wants to be. Allan Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com writes: I just need the year, make model, I can do the rest. World Pac owns CarQuest so we can get anything they have. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle Cool. I can get part numbers - that's the easy part. Dan On May 17, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: He can. But he does not know as much about focii as he would a 126 coupe or a 280SEL I will check with my stealership on the parts prices. Too bad the Q can't get domestic parts for us Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
Tonight I worked on the idea that the mounts were not bolted down in the correct position (the plates that bolt to the chassis have a bit of slop built in, not sure why, I guess so they don't have to build the chassis to close tolerances). I loosened all the bolts, started the engine, put it in drive, reverse, then back into neutral. Gave it a bit of gas in each position. The engine did move around a bit. Bolted it back down where it had settled, and I can't say that I can tell a lot of difference in the vibrations. Looking at the setup, I'm not convinced the mounts are responsible. I think the old ones were tired, because replacing them resulted in improvement, but not elimination of the vibrations. One of the forum posts described finding the timing being off. The timing belt on this engine is past-due for replacement. I wonder if it has gotten stretched enough to jump a tooth? Wrong timing could cause a rough idle. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
Interesting that you posted this, as I have noticed my wagon doing exactly the same thing. I wonder if it needs wires? Mine doesn't need any of the items you replaced. I would bring it up at my next stealership oil change, but they would probably come back with a litany of repairs it needs. Dan On May 16, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: 2003 Focus, DOHC Zetec engine, 150K miles. Has developed a rough idle, actually more like a low frequency vibration that is more apparent inside the car than out. I've changed all the motor mounts, which reduced the interior sensation from almost a buzzing to a less objectionable vibration. Recently changed spark plugs. That didn't make any noticeable difference in anything. Tried unplugging and capping vacuum line to EGR valve, no change (though that doesn't eliminate the possibility of a stuck valve, I guess). MAF sensor looks clean (but have not tested it electrically). However that doesn't have much to do with idle does it? Only filter that is not new/recent is fuel... but if that was restricted I'd have problems at speed more than at idle wouldn't I? No apparent leaks, tonight I spritzed carb cleaner in all likely areas and the idle didn't change at all. Otherwise it seems to run well. Check engine light is not on. Starts easily, has good power. Other ideas? -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
I wondered about mounts. Mine are in good shape, but I haven't crawled under to check the dogbone on the back of the engine. Probably should do that. I know my son's 2005 needs mounts. I was going to do his and see how much of a job it was before tackling mine... Dan who needs to look at the forums once in a while On May 17, 2012, at 7:08 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting that you posted this, as I have noticed my wagon doing exactly the same thing. I wonder if it needs wires? Mine doesn't need any of the items you replaced. I would bring it up at my next stealership oil change, but they would probably come back with a litany of repairs it needs. Dan On May 16, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: 2003 Focus, DOHC Zetec engine, 150K miles. Has developed a rough idle, actually more like a low frequency vibration that is more apparent inside the car than out. I've changed all the motor mounts, which reduced the interior sensation from almost a buzzing to a less objectionable vibration. Recently changed spark plugs. That didn't make any noticeable difference in anything. Tried unplugging and capping vacuum line to EGR valve, no change (though that doesn't eliminate the possibility of a stuck valve, I guess). MAF sensor looks clean (but have not tested it electrically). However that doesn't have much to do with idle does it? Only filter that is not new/recent is fuel... but if that was restricted I'd have problems at speed more than at idle wouldn't I? No apparent leaks, tonight I spritzed carb cleaner in all likely areas and the idle didn't change at all. Otherwise it seems to run well. Check engine light is not on. Starts easily, has good power. Other ideas? -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com writes: Read the very last post. http://forums.focaljet.com/team-tech/589679-2003-zx3-vibration-idle-2.html Interesting so he blames aftermarket motor mounts. Well, luckily they were cheap at least. I'll keep that in mind if nothing else works. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: I wondered about mounts. Mine are in good shape, but I haven't crawled under to check the dogbone on the back of the engine. Probably should do that. The rear mount (torque mount, it's called) apparently can collect small rocks and other debris which will then cause more vibration to be transmitted. I replace mine (very easy to do) but didn't note any debris trapped in the old one, and it didn't make a big difference. Changing the two mounts under the hood (transmission/left side and motor/right side did result in improvement, but not elimination, of the vibration. Also a pretty easy job. I did use aftermarket Chinese mounts from Rockauto though, so maybe I need to try genuine Ford. Also wondering if it might resonance in the exhaust system for some reason. Not sure why that would develop though. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
While it is always more expensive, I tend to stick with OEM rubber parts after seeing a comparison of OEM vs. non-OEM windshield seals. Lots of little details can get left out by the aftermarket folks, and the difference in cost is pretty insignificant when you have to replace the part for lack of performance or premature failure. I know the passenger side motor mount is about the same price between the dealer and aftermarket, as I looked at them a few months ago for the youngster's car. I couldn't find the dogbone part anywhere, nor could I identify it on Ford's parts site. Dan On May 17, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com writes: Read the very last post. http://forums.focaljet.com/team-tech/589679-2003-zx3-vibration-idle-2.html Interesting so he blames aftermarket motor mounts. Well, luckily they were cheap at least. I'll keep that in mind if nothing else works. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
I will check with my stealership on the parts prices. Too bad the Q can't get domestic parts for us Dan On May 17, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: I wondered about mounts. Mine are in good shape, but I haven't crawled under to check the dogbone on the back of the engine. Probably should do that. The rear mount (torque mount, it's called) apparently can collect small rocks and other debris which will then cause more vibration to be transmitted. I replace mine (very easy to do) but didn't note any debris trapped in the old one, and it didn't make a big difference. Changing the two mounts under the hood (transmission/left side and motor/right side did result in improvement, but not elimination, of the vibration. Also a pretty easy job. I did use aftermarket Chinese mounts from Rockauto though, so maybe I need to try genuine Ford. Also wondering if it might resonance in the exhaust system for some reason. Not sure why that would develop though. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
He can. But he does not know as much about focii as he would a 126 coupe or a 280SEL I will check with my stealership on the parts prices. Too bad the Q can't get domestic parts for us Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
Cool. I can get part numbers - that's the easy part. Dan On May 17, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: He can. But he does not know as much about focii as he would a 126 coupe or a 280SEL I will check with my stealership on the parts prices. Too bad the Q can't get domestic parts for us Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
I just need the year, make model, I can do the rest. World Pac owns CarQuest so we can get anything they have. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle Cool. I can get part numbers - that's the easy part. Dan On May 17, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: He can. But he does not know as much about focii as he would a 126 coupe or a 280SEL I will check with my stealership on the parts prices. Too bad the Q can't get domestic parts for us Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
On May 17, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: nteresting so he blames aftermarket motor mounts. Well, luckily they were cheap at least. I'll keep that in mind if nothing else works. One of the other posts in one of the threads I linked to mentioned positioning of the passenger side mount also. When I did the alternator on SIL Focus, I took that mount loose for clearance. It is in a kind of slot IIRC. If nothing else, you now have two pretty good forums to peruse for Focus answers. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
Rusty, I did check your site before I went to Rockauto, but the parts I wanted came up as unavailable. I believe I've eliminated the EGR valve as a culprit, though it looks pretty rough/corroded externally. If I disconnect the vacuum, the idle does not change; if I apply vacuum at idle the engine immediately stumbles and dies. I'll try loosening the mount bolts and sliding the engine around a little to see if I can get an improvement. Might try loosening all the bolts a bit and starting the engine, to see if it will settle where it wants to be. Allan Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com writes: I just need the year, make model, I can do the rest. World Pac owns CarQuest so we can get anything they have. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle Cool. I can get part numbers - that's the easy part. Dan On May 17, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: He can. But he does not know as much about focii as he would a 126 coupe or a 280SEL I will check with my stealership on the parts prices. Too bad the Q can't get domestic parts for us Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
2003 Focus, DOHC Zetec engine, 150K miles. Has developed a rough idle, actually more like a low frequency vibration that is more apparent inside the car than out. I've changed all the motor mounts, which reduced the interior sensation from almost a buzzing to a less objectionable vibration. Recently changed spark plugs. That didn't make any noticeable difference in anything. Tried unplugging and capping vacuum line to EGR valve, no change (though that doesn't eliminate the possibility of a stuck valve, I guess). MAF sensor looks clean (but have not tested it electrically). However that doesn't have much to do with idle does it? Only filter that is not new/recent is fuel... but if that was restricted I'd have problems at speed more than at idle wouldn't I? No apparent leaks, tonight I spritzed carb cleaner in all likely areas and the idle didn't change at all. Otherwise it seems to run well. Check engine light is not on. Starts easily, has good power. Other ideas? -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford Focus rough/vibrating idle
http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112445 http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=243043 Read the very last post. http://forums.focaljet.com/team-tech/589679-2003-zx3-vibration-idle-2.html http://www.fixya.com/cars/t3536097-2003_ford_focus_zx5_engine_vibration Rick Sent from my iPhone. On May 16, 2012, at 8:41 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: 2003 Focus, DOHC Zetec engine, 150K miles. Has developed a rough idle, actually more like a low frequency vibration that is more apparent inside the car than out. I've changed all the motor mounts, which reduced the interior sensation from almost a buzzing to a less objectionable vibration. Recently changed spark plugs. That didn't make any noticeable difference in anything. Tried unplugging and capping vacuum line to EGR valve, no change (though that doesn't eliminate the possibility of a stuck valve, I guess). MAF sensor looks clean (but have not tested it electrically). However that doesn't have much to do with idle does it? Only filter that is not new/recent is fuel... but if that was restricted I'd have problems at speed more than at idle wouldn't I? No apparent leaks, tonight I spritzed carb cleaner in all likely areas and the idle didn't change at all. Otherwise it seems to run well. Check engine light is not on. Starts easily, has good power. Other ideas? -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
